Anyone else feel let down by the people we pay good money to?

by Rob P
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Hi All,

I wonder if anyone else feels like I do - totally let down by the online marketers I've paid a fortune to over the years?

I have paid what I consider BIG money to some IM folk and found them very friendly, approachable and responsive...until they get my coaching fee tucked firmly in their back pockets. And then they don't want to know you.

How many times are we told that one of the quickest ways to make it in this game is to get JV partners on board and yet the very people saying this are nigh on impossible to link with? In fact they are very quick to turn us away or completely ignore us.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not after a free meal ticket (I make my money in another niche outside IM anyway) and I appreciate that these guys get inundated with offers but some of these people have had a LOT of money out of me and I feel quite let down.

It's almost as if the IM world is just a cycle of money going round and round the same people - a very closed shop - and I get the feeling many of them are laughing at us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    Originally Posted by Robplevin View Post

    Hi All,

    I wonder if anyone else feels like I do - totally let down by the online marketers I've paid a fortune to over the years?

    How many times are we told that one of the quickest ways to make it in this game is to get JV partners on board and yet the very people saying this are nigh on impossible to link with? In fact they are very quick to turn us away or completely ignore us.
    I don't. If you are buying coaching repeatedly, as part of your post implies, the answer isn't in the coaching but inside yourself. Did you follow their directions and work whatever method you were coached on? You also may be choosing the wrong people to be coached by...hard to tell with what you've said, of course.

    As to JVs, joint ventures are terrific but when they tell you to make JVs, they're not telling you they have to be a high level marketer. Generally speaking, like goes with like - your JV attempts should focus on marketers on your level or just above. Otherwise, what do you have to offer someone who is a lot further along?
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    Originally Posted by Robplevin View Post

    Hi All,

    I wonder if anyone else feels like I do - totally let down by the online marketers I've paid a fortune to over the years?

    I have paid what I consider BIG money to some IM folk and found them very friendly, approachable and responsive...until they get my coaching fee tucked firmly in their back pockets. And then they don't want to know you.

    How many times are we told that one of the quickest ways to make it in this game is to get JV partners on board and yet the very people saying this are nigh on impossible to link with? In fact they are very quick to turn us away or completely ignore us.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not after a free meal ticket (I make my money in another niche outside IM anyway) and I appreciate that these guys get inundated with offers but some of these people have had a LOT of money out of me and I feel quite let down.

    It's almost as if the IM world is just a cycle of money going round and round the same people - a very closed shop - and I get the feeling many of them are laughing at us.

    Yeah, I feel your pain. I was in that circuit for a while...being on leaderboards, getting JVs and stuff. But then if you make a mistake you are history. All in all it was too stressful...there are plenty of great opportunities out there. That's what's great about WF because the people in here are pretty approachable and not just trying to jack you out of your hard earned money!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob P
    "I don't. If you are buying coaching repeatedly, as part of your post implies, the answer isn't in the coaching but inside yourself."
    Good for you Tina but spare me the 'it's inside youself' sermon. I know that as much as the next man and believe me, I've worked damned hard to push through the barriers.

    Like I said I wasn't after a meal ticket form these people. Yes, I've followed their coaching and we do $10-$20k/month in our niche so it's not that I haven't learned from them - that's not the issue - all I was saying is that some of them promise the world but aren't approachable.

    "A question you should ask yourself is why you keep giving these people your money.Who are these people that didn't give you what you paid for? How did you choose them? Did you check them out first? I feel there is more to this than meets the eye. "

    I don't keep giving them money. They did give me what I paid for - read the post - again, the point I was making was just that they aren't approachable once they've had your money. I'm not sure what you're on about - 'more to this than meets the eye'? It was just a straightforward whinge. Are we not allowed to do that?
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    • Profile picture of the author cashcow
      Originally Posted by Robplevin View Post

      Like I said I wasn't after a meal ticket form these people. Yes, I've followed their coaching and we do $10-$20k/month in our niche so it's not that I haven't learned from them - that's not the issue - all I was saying is that some of them promise the world but aren't approachable.
      It sounds like you did pretty good with it then.

      I'm not sure what more you wanted from the coach but it sounds like you were expecting them to do some sort of JV with you? Was that part of the coaching?

      I'm not sure I understand why you say that the "promise the world but aren't approachable" but then it seems like the coaching helped you build a $10-$20k a month business so sounds like they gave you a lot of value.

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      • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
        Lee,

        There are some coaches who will feed their students a line of Bull, promising to be their JV partners if they develop a product. They tell their student to outsource the product creation, and during development, the student is all jittery about the product, and the coach is telling them 'it doesn't have to be perfect. It's not about the product, it's about the positioning of the product," and then when the product is complete, the coach says, "No JV with this material."

        DOUBLE SPEAK?


        Coach also has a targeted list, but student thinks that those customers are 'beneath him' and wants to bypass that market.

        Coach has repeatedly told student to start with that list and build from there, but student is particularly stuck up about that market in general and especially that particular list.

        And on the flip side,
        the student often doesn't tell the coach about certain directives that were given to the freelancer...

        • Freelancer offers to give client some resell rights products for his funnel
        • Client directs freelancer to use PLR in the PRODUCT.
        • Freelancer uses some content that freelancer has all rights to, but has been sold before, but it's only a 'part' of a ton of original content. Freelancer never says "this is PLR.." freelancer says "I have some material I have rights to that I can use with this."

          (in the market the client happens to despise with sanctimony and disdain, you cannot sell resell rights products, but you can if they are greatly expanded upon, as was the case- also, client said from the get go that he was completely bypassing this market, missing the coaches 'hints' that this market was his list)

        • Client directs freelancer not to cite it, as he doesn't even understand the difference between PLR and MRR (freelancer for the sake of getting the job done, just gives him PLR rights to it...)
        • Client complains to freelancer that coach was 'not impressed' and asks "how would this go over in _______ (market)?" *THE MARKET HE HAS SAID ALL ALONG THAT HE COULD NOT BE BOTHERED WITH!
        Coach then says "No JV with this material." Most likely to get rid of the PITA student, but freelancer is the one left holding the bag.

        Finally, to add insult to injury, this client then files a chargeback moments before sending an email to the freelancer, obscurely *hinting that he filed a chargeback, yet ordering the freelancer to provide a "detailed accounting" of the freelancers expenses to reach an 'equitable agreement.'

        Of course, freelancer refuses on the grounds:
        • Freelancer has a responsibility to protect the privacy of their service providers
        • AND- because a products value is never based on production cost.
        • Finally, because if the client was so unhappy, and already filed the chargeback, why ask for any equitable arrangements? That could only mean that client still wanted rights to the work.

        Freelancer informs client that if he still wants rights, then all that matter is what the market value of the product is (i,e, what will he make from it, and the value to be based on that.)

        Client refuses to base any amount on anything other than freelancers expenses, chargeback goes through, and freelancer still has rights to the work.

        Smart Freelancer now markets product independently and gets 100% ROI.

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  • Profile picture of the author Evan-M
    Sounds to me , your getting the wrong coaching, or wrong coaching for you.

    everyone learns a bit differently, some are hands on, some learn by example etc.

    you need to find a coach that works well with you, and when you do, stick with them.
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    Interesting... Can someone list criteria on choosing coach/mentor plz.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    This is what I call unfair customer expectation.

    Let me elaborate.

    Customer goes to site reads copy and buys coaching hoping this will do 2 things one will give them the knowledge needed to succeed in the niche they are wanting the coaching for.
    That is a misconception and granted some people do play it up but any coach I know is pretty down to earth and in fact tell the students you will get out of this what you put into it so it is not just the knowledge provided it is the action on said knowledge

    The second problem and expectation is the coach owes the student once completed.
    Coach is supposed to:
    launch the student.
    jv with the student.
    promote the student.

    This again an unfair expectation of the customer of the coaching.

    You want a jv? Go work your tail off and get something done where people buzz about it. get some experience in the real world not knowledge without action take action prove you are the material people want to associate with that they can trust

    Help people. do things for them for no reason. Reach out to people higher in the industry and offer to do something for them for free you want to stand out offer something with no expectation of them at all then just to be happy to be of service.

    make a product and give it to them branded with their name and their business they can give to their list. get your head out of your self pity and into the mindset of success. I speak from experience and after 4 yrs of doing this business I have some sort of understanding.

    look at a coach like a school would you expect your professor to go and find you a job tell all their friends about you and put their name beside yours? of course not. so...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob P
    WD Mino,

    "get your head out of your self pity and into the mindset of success."

    Self pity isn't something I suffer from. I made a statement about people promising the world and not delivering. Making this observation has nothing to do with self pity.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    A lot of gurus teach you all the techniques that they know of but a lot of people don't take action and spend more and more money on stuff they don't need. And then complain that people just took their money and ran.

    I have seen a lot of training materials that are sold by those many online GURUS and I must say that they are EXACTLY what a person needs in order to make great money online.

    People just don't take action with it. That's the main problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Robplevin View Post

    Hi All,

    I wonder if anyone else feels like I do - totally let down by the online marketers I've paid a fortune to over the years?

    I have paid what I consider BIG money to some IM folk and found them very friendly, approachable and responsive...until they get my coaching fee tucked firmly in their back pockets. And then they don't want to know you.

    How many times are we told that one of the quickest ways to make it in this game is to get JV partners on board and yet the very people saying this are nigh on impossible to link with? In fact they are very quick to turn us away or completely ignore us.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not after a free meal ticket (I make my money in another niche outside IM anyway) and I appreciate that these guys get inundated with offers but some of these people have had a LOT of money out of me and I feel quite let down.

    It's almost as if the IM world is just a cycle of money going round and round the same people - a very closed shop - and I get the feeling many of them are laughing at us.
    I'm curious.

    What specifically were you promised in writing and what was and was not specifically delivered with one of these marketers? (Without naming names, of course, since it's against the rules). Granted, there are definitely snake oil sales people out there, but there are also some fantastic coaches out there.

    Until we know more specifics on what was not delivered on, it's really hard to jump on this band wagon.

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  • You must be doing something drastically wrong if you are struggling with being unable to get in touch with high up JV partners...

    I am relatively new in the industry and yet I have already formed some really good relationships with people in the industry. I was even trying to promote for them when I had a list of less than 100 just to show I was trying for them!

    You just have to get out there and get on with it. I don't think your coach should be forced into JV'ing with you. If they don't feel your product is of any value to their list then why would they promote it?

    I know when I am looking at promoting products I like to be able to look through them completely before I decide whether to promote or not. I know what my list likes and I won't promote crap to them. Your coach is likely to be at a much higher level than you and therefore your content is probably going to be a much lower level than theirs and therefore not so useful to their lists.

    Why should your coach destroy their list promoting your first crappy product? Once you have something worthwhile then maybe they will want to promote.

    I think you are trying to be too forceful when getting JV partners on board. I know when I receive messages from people saying "Do you want to JV" I generally just ignore them. I want to know who someone is before building a business relationship with them!

    My suggestion to you is to try and build a relationship with these people rather than just hitting them with "do you want to JV with me"

    I'm sure you will have a retoric for this as well as you seem to have an answer for what everyone has said here. I'm not really sure why you are ranting if you are making 20-30K a month! You are obviously less than happy with life and need this forum to vent! My other suggestion is to find what is really making you unhappy and remove that from your life. This way you won't need to vent in here and then spend time defending your rant!

    Hope that helps...
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