This website of mine is FRUSTRATING

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Hi everyone,

So I have a few of my own products in different niches and am doing well with all of them.

There is one product that just drives me crazy.

I ordered a "killer" long sales copy from one of the known writers here in the WARRIOR SPECIAL SECTION and thought that it will increase my low conversions for this product.

In the past 2-3 months, I have had over 5000-10000 unique visitors to this site and only 3 or 4 people bought. ( I only charge $37) I got this from one of the top search engines.

Maybe you guys and ladies can help me as to why this website of mine is NOT selling too good. I mean, it really sucks and it is really frustrating to me.

This is the website:

10 Easy Ways To Generate $100 Per Day Online

If anyone can help me, that would be great. What do you guys and ladies think.

Tal

P.S. By the way, this is the older version. This was before I ordered the new long sales page from a copy writer.

http://www.top-work-from-home-opport...0WaysTEST.html
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    without being disrespectful those sort of single page salesletters always just look like spam to me.

    i'm not basing this on anything other than my own instincts, but thats probably why you're not selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      without being disrespectful those sort of single page salesletters always just look like spam to me.

      i'm not basing this on anything other than my own instincts, but thats probably why you're not selling.
      Those sort of single page sales letters that you are referring to as spam, sell thousands of dollars worth of products everyday in many different markets.

      Yes this particular sales letter is not done well at all, but what you refer to as spam is what top marketers use to make their money.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Hi Matt,

    I gave this product to a guy here who has written for many of the gurus and this is the sales letter that he wrote for me.

    It should have gotten me at least 1-2 sales every day or two.

    Tal
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  • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
    I have to agree with the other commentators; the page screams me too! I hate the font and your pitch heading is a little too long. Need to differentiate yourself from the pack a bit. Add an exit script too before they leave to get their attention. You might want to play around with price points as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by bertyounger View Post

      I have to agree with the other commentators; the page screams me too! I hate the font and your pitch heading is a little too long. Need to differentiate yourself from the pack a bit. Add an exit script too before they leave to get their attention. You might want to play around with price points as well.
      The price is good. It's only $37.

      Tal
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      • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
        Don't laugh but don't always think about a price cut. Sometimes a price increase gives you more authority. There is a lot of psychology that comes with consumer pricing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Inner Athlete
    I agree, those single page salesletters do always just look like spam and I suppose a lot of people think the same.

    Ahh well..
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

    If anyone can help me, that would be great. What do you guys and ladies think.
    I'm slightly nervous of posting this, as I intend no offense to anyone, but will be honest, anyway.

    That copy was not written by a copywriter: it was written by someone pretending to be a copywriter.

    It's just painfully dreadful from beginning to end.

    There simply isn't a "type of traffic" that that page can ever convert. I'm honestly surprised you've had 3 or 4 sales out of 10,000 visitors (they can't have been native English-speakers - and neither was your "copywriter", for sure).

    Tal, seriously, the only way forward is to throw that sales page away and start again with a copywriter. And if you put a similar post in the copywriting forum, I promise you that that's what nearly all the honest replies there from experienced copywriters will tell you to do, too.

    Sorry, but it wouldn't be doing you a favour at all to say anything different from this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Canuckystan
      The writing itself is full of grammatical errors and does not inspire confidence. Very spammy looking site. Consumers are just a bit more sophisticated than that in my view.

      Ask yourself: Would I buy from this website?

      There is your answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Hi,

      I'm afraid I have to agree with Alexa on this one. I just read it from start to finish. I'm not a copywriter but I have sales copy that I've made in my own pathetic attempts to do so, that convert much, much better and believe me, I doubt I could sell them to anyone. Granted, they're not in the MMO niche so that could well explain it.

      I don't particularly like the look of the page at all and from all the "fake" screen shot posts I see, my paranoia alert is popping it's head up.

      Please don't take any offense from my words, I certainly don't mean it. I just think Alexa's point is sound and I wouldn't carry on as is.
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      • Profile picture of the author jmartinez
        Consider testing (or split testing) different landing pages. With something like this you may need to test and optimize before you find a winner.

        As for one page salesy sites such as this, I have the same reaction that some others have had. It sounds like someone trying to sell me snake oil. But, it must work because successful online products continue to have these sorts of sales pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    My honest opinion? EVERYONE has an "easy way to make $100 per day online" at home. To me, it's an overused cliche. Is that what the product is actually called or is that what you chose to market it? Perhaps you should reevaluate your entire marketing strategy - keyword choices, etc?

    The font sizes in the sales letter are too small. The main body text needs to be a bit larger. I know people scan for headings and subheadings, but I just did that on your page because it hurt my eyes to try to look at the other stuff.

    Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

    Hi everyone,

    So I have a few of my own products in different niches and am doing well with all of them.

    There is one product that just drives me crazy.

    I ordered a "killer" long sales copy from one of the known writers here in the WARRIOR SPECIAL SECTION and thought that it will increase my low conversions for this product.

    In the past 2-3 months, I have had over 5000-10000 unique visitors to this site and only 3 or 4 people bought. ( I only charge $37) I got this from one of the top search engines.

    Maybe you guys and ladies can help me as to why this website of mine is NOT selling too good. I mean, it really sucks and it is really frustrating to me.

    This is the website:

    10 Easy Ways To Generate $100 Per Day Online

    If anyone can help me, that would be great. What do you guys and ladies think.

    Tal

    P.S. By the way, this is the older version. This was before I ordered the new long sales page from a copy writer.

    10 Easy Ways To Generate $100 Per Day Online
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  • Profile picture of the author D111
    The testimonials could use a lot of work.

    What about putting location and occupation or other tid bits that would make them more believable? Just my personal bias but the small plain font and background color bother me when I read them.

    I think video testimonials are critical for this site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kev Stevenson
    Tal, can I ask you a question?

    Do your other, more successful sites, look like that one?

    I'm asking because that style of page does absolutely nothing for me...

    When I see that kind of sales letter I just kinda glaze over - maybe if I was interested in the offer it'd be different - or maybe I have just seen too many just like that.

    I'm not trying to be rude ( I can see you've been on this board a long time...) I'm just asking.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Apart from a bad layout, what is the USP? There are thousands of these sites and your visitors are probably quite jaded from this content. Why should they pay attention to you, especially when there are farm more authoritative voices in this market? Answer that and you are on the right path. Tip - if you answer "but I am ..." then that is a fail.

    Also, take a look at the time on site. 10 seconds? Thats about the time it took me to scroll down and look for a reason to actually read this. Nothing caught me eye and I closed the page. Or is it longer (2 minutes) where they are reading?

    And last point - thought about video copy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    Based on these numbers you should be raking it in. What gives???

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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      I'm not too keen on the idea of 10 ways.

      "Ten Ways to Make Money Online". You can get that kind of information on a blog post for free.

      You should focus on selling ONE way for $37. It gives the appeal of some master secret.

      So pick the best or most interesting way, focus on it with a lot of detail, then upsell the other 9 later on. Or offer 2 others as a bonus.

      Plus, the copy has too much focus on "I" and not enough focus on "you".
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    1. Agree 100% with Alexa... the copy is dreadful... full of weak cliches.

    2. I don't believe your screen shots and neither does anyone else.
    Before you get upset... I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying that fake
    screen shots are so common that even honest ones are ineffective.

    3. The font is hard to read. Change to a non-serif font and make it larger.

    4. The page formatting is atrocious. There is no right or left margin
    in the table. This is also a pet peeve of mine.... you have the text center
    justified. No problem there except, like many people, you put so much text
    on the first line the the second line contains only one or two words. It just
    looks you were too careless abut the appearance of the page. Not good.

    5. Lose the header graphic. It looks like you made it with one of those
    free header generating things.

    6. What makes you think the $37 price is right?

    7. The earnings disclaimer is annoying. Putting it in all caps and
    light gray font makes it look like you're trying to hide something.

    Sadly, there isn't much I like about the site. It's no surprise to me
    that you aren't getting many sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author ServiceSolutions
    Next I would put some focus into the design aspect of your site... when a visitor comes to your site the first thing that catches their eye is the graphics / layout of your site and then they focus more on the content. I have personally seen hundreds of sites with about the same layout along with a simple and unattractive header.

    Recommendations on this would be add a more professional header to your product page and along with that maybe a background with a company logo thats faint kind of like a watermark. I think this would boost your conversion rate a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author imagetypers
      No offense but the sales page doesnt look good to me to generate some regular sales. you need to work on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kianhowe
    I opened it up for 5 seconds and I saw the problem instantly. You need to re do the landing page graphics. Invest about $200 on it and it should be fine. You need more formatting on the sales letter as well. Come on, your words are all align way to near the borders and you need more professional looking boxes in your sales page as well. I get the feeling of this page being very unprofessional. I hope this helps
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  • people need to start doing video footage of going to the bank, entering your card, asking for a statement, watching it print out then showing it on video.

    Either that or video footage pointing at your monitor with something like a timer and a burning candle next to it so you can see that it hasn't been paused and things edited (can still be faked but I reckon it is so rarely done that people wouldn't have any problems believe it). Then you log on, show your online banking and so forth, editing bits people shouldn't see.

    Anyway, if the copywriter was really good, it probably wouldn't even be necessary to show proof of earnings.
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    ( I only charge $37) I got this from one of the top search engines.
    Am I missing something here?

    You only charge $37 per month.

    Looks like you want to charge $37 every month...

    I might not think about buying a product for $37 only...
    but I would re-think a monthly charge of $37 every month...
    IMO that is your problem...

    You have a $37 continuity product....that is a very tough sell...
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    • Profile picture of the author King Louie
      I think you should redesign your salespage to make it look more "professional." You might also want to change the font style because the default Times New Roman font is not very good to look at, at least for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    Well,

    That letter is so bad, I wouldn't even begin to make suggestions of how to improve it. It would be easier to rewrite it completely.

    Seriously though, if you paid someone for it I would do a charge back on your credit card. No way that was written by someone who writes for the guru's.

    Either they outright lied to you or I need to check my calendar to see if it April Fools day.

    You really wrote this yourself didn't you? And you just playing a joke on us?
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

      Well,

      That letter is so bad, I wouldn't even begin to make suggestions of how to improve it. It would be easier to rewrite it completely.

      Seriously though, if you paid someone for it I would do a charge back on your credit card. No way that was written by someone who writes for the guru's.

      Either they outright lied to you or I need to check my calendar to see if it April Fools day.

      You really wrote this yourself didn't you? And you just playing a joke on us?
      No, I did not write this myself.

      I appreciate everyone's help. You guys are awesome. I learned a whole lot from all of you.

      From now onward, I will probably not promote this site again and take it off.

      Tal
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    What do you guys think of the OLD sales page:

    10 Easy Ways To Generate $100 Per Day Online

    Does it look better in your view?

    Tal
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Urgh, this is what annoys me about being a legit, professional copywriter. I have to fight against the dreggs and fakers that wrote this junk for you Tal.

    Sorry to be blunt, but this really frustrates me. These wannabe writers who haven't got a clue what they're doing, taking good honest clients like yourself down a dead-end, wasting your time and money.

    Whenever I have insecurities about my own ability to sell well, I'll come back to this thread and remind myself what I'm "up against."

    But this isn't about me, it's about you.

    The first thing I would suggest is repositioning the entire offer. The angle sounds more like a blog post that has been copy pasted into a word document.

    Secondly, I'd hire a professional to create a page that looks, well, professional.

    Remember, you're targeting the general public here, not marketing savvy types. They're going to see your page and compare it to the professional websites they visit every day through work or pleasure, and it won't work out in your favor.

    Next, I would create a far better story. The whole "I was scammed, then I magically found a solution, but I'm not going to explain how, or why you can't..." is a recipe for disaster.

    It's unbelievable, and not in a cool way.

    Proof - text only testimonials and income screenshots are 3rd tier proof at best.

    Video testimonials? Better.
    Video testimonials from target market? Better still.

    But to be honest, when done right, sales copy doesn't need testimonials. It just needs a compelling reason why, along with credibility and an exciting, believable offer.

    Before you hire another copywriter, consider the whole angle and offer itself. Because even a crappy wannabe copywriter can do ok when the offer feels credible, high value, and real.

    P.S - Also, the offer is very vague. It's like you're targeting work at home moms, but also marketers... and anyone else who will listen. Who is your target audience? Figure this out, before you do anything else. Trust me, it's much easier to position your sales pitch when you know who you're talking to.

    A sales letter for work at home moms isn't going to sell to both marketers and non-technical, busy mothers. Even the design itself needs to be different, depending on who you're targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    Besides the sales letter being so bad, I don't like the design of the site. The color, the header and the screenshots scream scam all over the place.

    Expert copywriters can tell you if I am wrong or right with this: it should be better to have a headline that promises the number one way to do something than 10 different ways to achieve the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author relicah
    I'm far from good at this, in fact I know very little about IM, but looking From a complete starters point of view, pixilated graphics and tacky templates don't scream professional, sorry man

    Hope I helped a little
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  • Profile picture of the author Nikhil V Nair
    A few simple questions

    Would you buy this course if I tried to sell this to you?
    Why should someone pay you $37/month for an ebook?


    One of the funniest lines in your copy

    "But in that moment of my deepest desperation, when I thought that all was lost and there was just no way to really make money with an internet business, I discovered over 10 ways to make money online."


    How can someone discover 10 different ways to make money from desperation?

    I don't think that this copy converts even if you sell it for $7

    Some suggestions

    Change your copy
    Try different price point
    Observe other successful copies, fonts etc

    Hope it helps
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    Content is quiet confusing on your page, not a great sales copy! If I am an organic visitor to this site, I will simply consider it as spam work (no offense intended) because of some factors. First of all look at header, it looks like this header has been copied from somewhere else. Name of your site on header has a different background color than background color of header, I think you tried it at MS Paint or software which cannot match colors.

    Sales copy is not good, look at first heading, Jump-Start Your Work At home Experience, not so effective. Do you update your sales page on daily basis?? If not then no need to mention date within in the content of sale copy. Providing Free Newsletter option is a good idea but you are using it too early at your page. I am not still convinced enough by your thoughts then why should I subscribe to a Newsletter?? Repeating same Image for Sales Proof twice is not a good idea. Overall content of sales copy is not compelling and that's why not resulting into more sales.

    So try another sales copy writer and review your header as well.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Raindance
    The page is just plain ugly. Sorry to say. When you talk about making money online, it should electrify people. Every word they read must take them a step closer to believe what you're saying to them. The header is really low quality, get something which will look classy or add a video in the beginning of the page itself. Change the theme as well, the gray on the sides also looks extremely dull. The concept of making money online is meant to excite people, not bore them. Try changing the font as well. The page looks very ordinary. You might be having real methods of making money online but other false guys who just sell useless courses and ebooks have much better and much more exciting landing pages than this one. I don't think you need any of us to tell you all this. Have a look at another make money online landing page and you'll easily make out the differences.

    One thing which I like to add, try rather increasing your price. Yes, I said that. Because there is a common belief and a well known fact among internet marketers that these courses are sold by guys who were successful a long time ago and are now making money online only by selling their obsolete methods for a low price. Maybe your visitors are counting among those people. It may not be true but just some food for thought.
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