The Death Of Bum Marketing Or The Death Of Article Marketing

Nick Brighton 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

Google the Google!!! here is another prove that you rule the online world. When you sniff, millions of people suddenly can't put food on their table anymore.

Not me. Makes no odds from where I'm standing.

So guys, Bum Marketing has sustain a huge hit. what is the right way to go?

Ideas are welcomed

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Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

Can somebody aware me whats happening?

I don't think anyone knows.
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- Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  Oh please, not another "death of" thread, do we have to have these every single day?
  
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  tpw 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Richard Van
  
  Oh please, not another "death of" thread, do we have to have these every single day?
  
  It is a lot like the news press. Push a button and watch the fearful jump in panic.
  
  It is a lot of fun, really....
  
  I think Matt Cutts ought to come back to the forum really soon and set the record straight...
  
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  Kay King 13 years ago
  
  Could we at least change "death of" to "expiration date" - a little originality, please...
  
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  myob 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Could we at least change "death of" to "expiration date" - a little originality, please...
  
  Why not say it has "lapsed into a comatose state", with varying chances of recovery?
  
  That would liven things up a bit, and induce a revenue source through sidebetting .
  
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  paulie888 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Richard Van
  
  Oh please, not another "death of" thread, do we have to have these every single day?
  
  These sensationalist threads seem to have a habit of cropping up here far too often. Newbies panic and get far too upset over the slightest things, and I guess they run off half-cocked into here seeking solace and a place to vent.
  
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  DireStraits 13 years ago
  
  I think it's not so much just newbies who get worked up over this stuff, but also those who take the "lazy" approach to traffic-generating - constantly riding off the backs of other sites' search-engine authority instead of building up their own sites/assets and their own rankings. I suspect a lot of these people know the potential pitfalls of this approach in the back of their minds, even if they don't openly admit it.
  
  They're the ones who live in constant fear of immediate traffic/income pulverisation, and the ones who rant and rave in these threads about how the sky's falling.
  
  Well, I hate to say it, but those who are smart, plan for the long-term, make good decisions and - above all - take their businesses seriously, are the ones who really have nothing to worry about. They're the ones you don't see in these threads so often; or ones who seem nice and chilled; even the ones who are laughing in the faces of everyone else.
  
  Wouldn't it be nice to be one of them?
  
  I said it earlier, and I'll say it again.
  
  If you're concerned about all your traffic drying up one day, when Google suddenly decides a certain site you've been leveraging for traffic (such as an article directory) is a piece of crap due to vast quantity of iffy content they publish, then there's only one thing for it, isn't there? ...
  
  Build up your own sites and keep them quality-focused.
  
  That way, you get to decide what gets published and what doesn't. You get to determine the overall quality of your site; the depth of your content; the user-experience ... everything.
  
  Now, don't get me wrong, I find it hard to believe that sites like EZA's are going sharply downwards in the SERPs any time soon. Not least because they generate an absolute fortune for Google through AdSense, and it's well-observed, I think, that Google seems to give extra leeway to such sites.
  
  That said, things change. The only way you can take steps to ensure (as much as one possibly can, that is) Google will always perceive your site to be relevant, high-quality and valuable, is to put yourself in a position where you call the shots.
  
  Stop thinking short-term: leveraging other people's sites for quick rankings (at least on a long-term basis); masses of short, low-grade articles written mostly for search-engines -- forget it.
  
  I think the key here is that people trying every trick in the book to fool the search-engines and milk them for all they can, know that their practices can't and won't reap sustainable, long-term rewards. So change your flamin' approach, already. When you know you're giving the search-engines what they want, the chances of your sites being plunged into the murky depths of hell by the Almighty G have to be much slimmer ... right? And you'll rest more soundly at night on that basis.
  
  At the very least, if something bad does happen, you won't have been anticipating it constantly, whilst still doing NOTHING AT ALL about it. So do what you know you have to do: quit spamming, quit churning out crap content, quite being lazy, abandon the pursuit of the "quick and easy buck". Quit trying to put off until tomorrow what you know is inevitable for long-term success.
  
  Start building your own websites, on your own terms. Ones you can control, and be proud of, and that the search-engines will (hopefully) continue to like indefinitely.
  
  Or continue being a short-sighted lazy ass, and keep worrying. Not only will your short-term mindset not serve you too well - it might not have to: you'll probably drive yourself to an early grave with all the worrying, and the resulting stress and anxiety you cause for yourself.
  
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  Originally Posted by Nick Brighton
  
  Start a real business?
  
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MoneyRock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

Can somebody aware me whats happening?

Whats happening is that Google has changed their algorithm, and sites like EZA and AB have been seriously hit (drop in serps). If you did any kind of article marketing then you should be affected by this.

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GoodnightSweetRatRace

13 years ago

Surely Google is smarter than that? Not all Ezine and articlesbase articles are garbage, obviously..

They are more likely to hit webpages with poor quality content with not much unique information.

I've checked some of my articles in Google and ironically two of my articles have been pushed up in the SE (serious)

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

Surely Google is smarter than that? Not all Ezine and articlesbase articles are garbage, obviously..

They are more likely to hit webpages with poor quality content with not much unique information.

I've checked some of my articles in Google and ironically two of my articles have pushed up this SERPS (serious)

Blue Oyster Cult said it best when they sang, "Don't Fear the Reaper"...

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Steadyon 13 years ago

Ezine articles may or may not have been affected. I don't know.

But on alexa right now they are still ranked the 96th most popular site on the net. I really feel sorry for them.

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donhx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

Whats happening is that Google has changed their algorithm, and sites like EZA and AB have been seriously hit (drop in serps). If you did any kind of article marketing then you should be affected by this.

Have a link to a reliable source on this? Even Cutts said the changes would be taking place over time and the announcement was just made on Jan 28th. I question whether there has been a drop in SERPS and would like to see some proof.

From what Cutts said, there is no reason EZA or AB should be taking a hit. Cutts said,

"This was a pretty targeted [algorithm change] launch: slightly over 2% of queries change in some way, but less than half a percent of search results change enough that someone might really notice. The net effect is that searchers are more likely to see the sites that wrote the original content rather than a site that scraped or copied the original site’s content."

Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO

As long as EZA and AB are getting original content, there is no reason for them to drop.

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GoodnightSweetRatRace

13 years ago

Originally Posted by donhx

Have a link to a reliable source on this? Even Cutts said the changes would be taking place over time and the announcement was just made on Jan 28th. I question whether there has been a drop in SERPS and would like to see some proof.

From what Cutts said, there is no reason EZA or AB should be taking a hit. Cutts said,

"This was a pretty targeted [algorithm change] launch: slightly over 2% of queries change in some way, but less than half a percent of search results change enough that someone might really notice. The net effect is that searchers are more likely to see the sites that wrote the original content rather than a site that scraped or copied the original site's content."

Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO

As long as EZA and AB are getting original content, there is no reason for them to drop.

See this makes a lot more sense.

Plus I just found this article which clears it up:

Google Algorithm Changed to Boost Rankings for 'Original Content' - Alexis Madrigal - Technology - The Atlantic

As long as you have written unique content, I don't think there's anything to worry about.

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scrofford

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

See this makes a lot more sense.

Plus I just found this article which clears it up:

Google Algorithm Changed to Boost Rankings for 'Original Content' - Alexis Madrigal - Technology - The Atlantic

As long as you have written unique content, I don't think there's anything to worry about.

So the sky is not falling and the world isn't ending? "phew" was really sweatin bullets for a second there!

I guess as long as you have that unique content (like you should always have) then nothing is really wrong...false alarm then!

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

For the past few years, I have seen so many people talk about "The Death Of Article Marketing". I think these people should talk more of "The Death Of Bum Marketing".

While this huge Google algorithm change is not "The Death Of Bum Marketing", I honestly think it is a huge blow to it. The internet will never be the same again. Articlesbase and Ezinearticle ... etc (the so called authority sites) should be mourning now!

LOL

You must have missed the other two dozen threads on the Death of Article Marketing posted since the last Google algorithm update.

Is it the Death of Article Marketing / Death of Bum Marketing? Certainly not.

But if you want to believe that the end has come, you are welcome to think that. Be sure to delete all of your existing articles before you get out of this part of the marketplace. That way, you can truly make room for people who have already realized that the sky never really falls.

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13 years ago

All of you who complain of another Death of Something thread.... Do you guys even read the thread before committing?

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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

All of you who complain of another Death of Something thread.... Do you guys even read the thread before committing?

We read the thread. We just know that your premise is wrong.

I know that is not what you want to hear, but it is the truth of the matter. :rolleyes:
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Steadyon

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

All of you who complain of another Death of Something thread.... Do you guys even read the thread before committing?

Do you read the forum before writing another Death Thread?

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MoneyRock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

Do you read the forum before writing another Death Thread?

I clearly said in the thread that it is not dead, but has suffered a huge hit... Do you see any difference in that?

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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

I clearly said in the thread that it is not dead, but has suffered a huge hit... Do you see any difference in that?

We see the difference, and we also stand firm that Article Marketing / Bum Marketing has NOT taken a hit.

I know it is not what you want to hear, but it is the truth of the matter.

Article Marketing will not be damaged by this latest algorithm change, nor will article directories such as Ezine Articles and Articles Base.

Do you see any difference between what we are saying and what you are saying? Do you finally understand that we have not missed your point, and that you are sticking to a point of view that is wrong?
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- Kay King 13 years ago
  
  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html
  
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  And those are only the ones with the same old "death of" titles...
  
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GoodnightSweetRatRace 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

I clearly said in the thread that it is not dead, but has suffered a huge hit... Do you see any difference in that?

In that case the title of your thread contradicts what your saying.

Pretty sure the title suggests that Bum Marketing is dead when it isn't
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- tpw 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace
  
  In that case the title of your thread contradicts what your saying.
  
  Pretty sure the title suggests that Bum Marketing is dead when it isn't
  
  I won't fault the title of the thread, because that is the kind of thing that attracts eyeballs.
  
  I only fault the premise of his thread, which is clearly misinformed.
  
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Steadyon

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

I clearly said in the thread that it is not dead, but has suffered a huge hit... Do you see any difference in that?

So why doesn't the thread have the title:

"A Huge Hit To Bum Marketing Or Article Marketing"

in stead of:

"The Death Of Bum Marketing Or The Death Of Article Marketing"

Do YOU see any difference in that?

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

So why doesn't the thread have the title:

"A Huge Hit To Bum Marketing Or Article Marketing"

in stead of:

"The Death Of Bum Marketing Or The Death Of Article Marketing"

Do YOU see any difference in that?

Are we going to really complain about thread titles when fake stories and titles are used by others to create A buzz? More people are now aware of something thats actually true about a recent algorithm change than those fake threads. Perhaps it is the end of article marketing for him. Its not the end all and be all. Just saying all this bashing of the Op is not necessary and frankly by people who didn't even know what he was referring to begin with.

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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Are we going to really complain about thread titles when fake stories and titles are used by others to create A buzz? More people are now aware of something thats actually true about a recent algorithm change than those fake threads. Perhaps it is the end of article marketing for him. Its not the end all and be all. Just saying all this bashing of the Op is not necessary and frankly by people who didn't even know what he was referring to begin with.

The thread title does sound like another tired old refrain we see over and over again, and of being the OP's apparent premise. These topics often are read by the rolled-up eyes of many who already know that unimaginative writing is DOA and this action by Google has been a long time coming. If this reaction to the OP is any surprise, or needs to be taken seriously, then you do have a rather poor sense of ironic humor. :rolleyes:

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tht222

13 years ago

The sites that I managed to rank well on Google with (predominantly) article marketing are still ranking well and to be perfectly honest, it makes little sense to target article directories and article marketing.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

While this huge Google algorithm change is not "The Death Of Bum Marketing", I honestly think it is a huge blow to it. The internet will never be the same again. Articlesbase and Ezinearticle ... etc (the so called authority sites) should be mourning now!

Good discussion no matter what a few others might claim. The only problem is with the "Death of" title.

that and you should link to the announcement made yesterday by Google (this is not about the january announcement).

Official Google Blog: Finding more high-quality sites in search

By no means a death of anything but those of us who do SEO for a living have seen this algo change as real. Ezine has in fact dropped for a number of serps.

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AustinKane 13 years ago

If you are not sure exactly what is happening, Danny Sullivan explains it well on Search Engine Land.

I know article marketing is a popular form of internet marketing - however, I personally don't mind this change. There were a lot of spammy, low-quality articles built on these content farms with only the intention of driving targeted anchor text backlinks and not providing any value. Millions of uselss articles (not all of course ), slightly tweaked by article spinners just invading the Internet. Ah - Go go unique content, legit link building, and better results in the SERPs! Don't let this algorithm change get you down, adapt and conquer.
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JordanFrancis

13 years ago

According to the latest update (linked above,) 11% of queries are affected.

It's quite possible article directory pages are among the 11%.

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myob

13 years ago

So let the betting begin.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

So let the betting begin.

Who is gonna hold the money?

My main article directory traffic is up 10% over the same time period last year, as far as traffic received directly from Google's SERPs.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Who is gonna hold the money?

My main article directory traffic is up 10% over the same time period last year, as far as traffic received directly from Google's SERPs.

I've still got some surviving blogger blogs that are pulling in more than ever in Adsense and affiliate commissions which were set up over eight years ago. That was before I knew any better, but who knows how much longer before all of them are dead. Any one want to wager a bet? LOL!

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Nick Brighton 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

All of you who complain of another Death of Something thread.... Do you guys even read the thread before committing?

What was there to read? You didn't provide us with much info to be honest.

But I'm getting the picture from replies that Google are penalizing certain article directories, or certain types of content found within them, right?

If so, good for them. I'm glad.

I can't stand searching for quality information, then seeing junky ezine articles splurged over the first page. I don't even click on them anymore.

Of course, I know better that the average non-marketing searcher. But sooner or later, people will begin to lose their trust in Google's results altogether...

... and then it really will be the death of more than just article directories.

The solution is obvious. Create quality content. So simple, yet so elusive to so many.
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edlewis

13 years ago

This whole episode has been funny to me...

On one side there are those who proclaim article marketing is "dead"...

On the other side there are those who insist that NOTHING has changed...

Both sides of the spectrum seem to ignore those in the middle who say something has changed, but nothing is exactly dead.

(giggle)....funny stuff....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

This whole episode has been funny to me...

On one side there are those who proclaim article marketing is "dead"...

On the other side there are those who insist that NOTHING has changed...

Both sides of the spectrum seem to ignore those in the middle who say something has changed, but nothing is exactly dead.

(giggle)....funny stuff....

Yes, I should correct myself.

Across the board, my article marketing is improving since the latest Google algorithm change in January.

Like I said previously, my main article directory is receiving 10% more traffic from Google since the change in Januaray, over the same time frame last year.

While I know one fellow said that he has seen some downward movement of EZA in the SERPs, it is hard to take him at face value, unless you have all of the facts in hand. And he hasn't given us enough information to know that the results he is tracking are simply a reflection of Google's algorithm changes or whether other factors may be involved.

Since he was a SEO guy, he ought to know as I do that there are literally hundreds of variables that could affect that change.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Yes, I should correct myself.

Across the board, my article marketing is improving since the latest Google algorithm change in January.

Like I said previously, my main article directory is receiving 10% more traffic from Google since the change in Januaray, over the same time frame last year.

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TP the lastest update was YESTERDAY not January . So while you are making fun of the OP for discussing something brand new you've missed the point entirely. Again article marketing is not dead but there was a recent change and it did affect lots of people ranking. Not every site but quite a few.

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ForeignProfessor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Yes, I should correct myself.

Across the board, my article marketing is improving since the latest Google algorithm change in January.

Hey,

I think a lot of people are referring to the even more recent algorithm change on the 24th of Feb. Here's the Google link: Official Google Blog: Finding more high-quality sites in search

This is the one that mentions an 11.8% change in search results, and is widely interpreted to be an anti-content-farm update to the algorithm. The January update affected less than 2% of search results I believe. This change has only been rolled out in the US so far and possibly not across all data servers yet. It's coming to the rest of the world soon.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

TP the lastest update was YESTERDAY not January . So while you are making fun of the OP for discussing something brand new you've missed the point entirely. Again article marketing is not dead but there was a recent change and it did affect lots of people ranking. Not every site but quite a few.

Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor

Hey,

I think a lot of people are referring to the even more recent algorithm change on the 24th of Feb. Here's the Google link: Official Google Blog: Finding more high-quality sites in search

This is the one that mentions an 11.8% change in search results, and is widely interpreted to be an anti-content-farm update to the algorithm. The January update affected less than 2% of search results I believe. This change has only been rolled out in the US so far and possibly not across all data servers yet. It's coming to the rest of the world soon.

take care!

Yes, I stand corrected. I missed yesterday's update.

But I am going to withhold declaring the death of article marketing until I have had time to go through the information.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Yes, I stand corrected. I missed yesterday's update.

But I am going to withhold declaring the death of article marketing until I have had time to go through the information.

fair enough but don't worry about it being dead. You are right on that part.. I still see a few article sites ranking but I got to admit there was some serious tumbling on some serps.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

Both sides of the spectrum seem to ignore those in the middle who say something has changed, but nothing is exactly dead.

(giggle)....funny stuff....

Yep. you find it in every thread where changes are discussed one side thinking the world is over and the other side pretending like changes don't happen and we don't need to adjust.

Status quo versus panic. They can't hear the middle because they swear you are on the other side if you don't go with either extreme.

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Doug Wakefield 13 years ago

Michael nailed the most important part that the OP has failed to recognize. Ill sum it up with his own words.

Build up your own sites and keep them quality-focused.

In this way the article directories simply help you reach a wider audience and aren't the focus of your business.

Reading the latest Google blog post doesn't change my position.
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- Mike Anthony 13 years ago
  
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  Reading the latest Google blog post doesn't change my position.
  
  It shouldn't because thats exactly what the latest blog post is about. Still alot of people use article marketing for backlinks as well. You can have great content and no one can find it unless you have those links. So they aren't mutually exclusive.
  
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  Doug Wakefield 13 years ago
  
  If I was going to write an article for backlinks, this wouldn't change my position either.
  
  Using only articles for the source of your backlinks hasn't worked all that well in a while. I do remember when you would simply write an article, mass submit it to hundreds of directories, and jump in the SERPs fast.
  
  I won't go too deep into SEO talks, but many of the top people for SEO on this forum will preach that quality content on your site is the place to start. You do have to work a little harder to get the eyeballs on your site to begin with, but it is not impossible.
  
  The good article marketers preach quality.
  Top SEO people preach quality.
  Google is now preaching quality.
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  myob 13 years ago
  
  I agree so-called "article marketing" in this context has certainly devolved into the enmasse splattering of keyword-enriched worthless content to the directories. This is what has become ineffective. But the devaluation seems to also be partly due to the low standards for article acceptance. Many of the more successful article marketers actually have always strongly suggested to look beyond the article directories when writing articles.
  
  The real value in submitting articles to the directories is having them sourced by high PR and authority sites, not for the immediate benefit of directed traffic or even backlinks. Your highest value is in getting articles syndicated, which can be more assured through quality writing.
  
  I hate to even mention this, because it often brings a storm of protests from special interest marketers who would have you believe otherwise, but it really does not take very many articles at all to be successful in even the most hotly competitve markets. Some of my articles can take several days to write, but they are superb. And besides being submitted to a couple of the top article directories including EZA, they are also (or instead) sent to my own syndication network of niche ezine publishers and offline magazines.
  
  Article marketing is not marketing at all if all you've been doing is submitting to article directories. It is only the beginning of a much broader process realized through syndication.
  
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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yep. you find it in every thread where changes are discussed one side thinking the world is over and the other side pretending like changes don't happen and we don't need to adjust.

Status quo versus panic. They can't hear the middle because they swear you are on the other side if you don't go with either extreme.

I disagree with your assessment.

I don't see myself ignoring the middle because it does not fit within my world view.

I simply live in a world where I will adapt and change as necessary, but until I see major swings in the results, no change will be necessary.

If I took drastic change on every swing of the pendulum, I am sure I would have fizzled out years ago...

I have felt that as long as I put good quality content and concern for my audience ahead of all other things, when it comes to Internet Marketing in general, and Article Marketing in specific, then I would be able to weather any major changes in the search engines.

That outlook has served me well for over a decade.

Will this swing of the pendulum change things for my article marketing strategy? I seriously doubt it, but then I have never relied on article directories to deliver the bang to my article marketing campaigns.

I just checked the major keywords for which I rank in Google, and which I had used article marketing to acquire.

If the newest change was implemented yesterday, then I have nothing to worry about since the rankings I checked are all up.

If the news was only announced yesterday, I will have to check my results again later to see if anything has changed for me.

Until I see a change in my search rankings, I plan to stay the course.

And if those changes are minimal down, I will probably remain on my current course.

Only if I see a major move down will I start running and screaming about the end of article marketing as I know it.

But then, even when major stuff happens, I never take the position of a Chicken Little. Instead, I adapt to the new realities.

Even though I push well over 270,000 visitors per year through my main site, only 35% of that traffic (90,000 unique visitors in 2010) is acquired from Google. If Google turned off the tap to my website yesterday or tomorrow, my site would still receive 180,000 visitors per year.

I continually work to diversify my traffic sources so that I could never be destroyed by any change in the Google algorithm. I encourage all others to do the same as well.

Google is but one traffic source.

And until I see evidence to the contrary, Article Marketing as I do it is not yet dead or damaged.

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paulie888

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I continually work to diversify my traffic sources so that I could never be destroyed by any change in the Google algorithm. I encourage all others to do the same as well.

Google is but one traffic source.

And until I see evidence to the contrary, Article Marketing as I do it is not yet dead or damaged.

Bill, you've hit the nail on the head there. Why people would put all their eggs in one basket by focusing just on one traffic method to the exclusion of everything else is beyond me. If your traffic is diversified across several sources that have been proven to have longevity, you wouldn't get so unsettled over these changes that occur every now and then.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I disagree with your assessment.

I don't see myself ignoring the middle because it does not fit within my world view.

Maybe you can tell me where I made any statement about you. I was responding to a post that equally was not targeting any one person.

I just checked the major keywords for which I rank in Google, and which I had used article marketing to acquire.

If the newest change was implemented yesterday, then I have nothing to worry about since the rankings I checked are all up.

So what? I don't recall the Op calling you by name and the change is only said to affect 11-12% of results. That means that 80+ won't be affected does that mean the OP should just shut up or is being reactionary?

And until I see evidence to the contrary, Article Marketing as I do it is not yet dead or damaged.

Actually now I think I can see why you take objection. You prove my point about thinking people in the middle are not on your side so perhaps it does apply. Your post is written in response to me like I am at the extreme claiming that article marketing is dead. I have said the exact opposite. I just don't start making fun of a thread before I actually know what the OP was about. As for not being damaged. It has been for some people- fatally wounded? of course not but not damaged is not looking at the facts.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Actually now I think I can see why you take objection. You prove my point about thinking people in the middle are not on a side. Your post is written in response to me like I am at the extreme claiming that article marketing is dead. I have said the exact opposite.

I know you said just the opposite. You said that some search engine results for EZA are down, but overall, article marketing won't be significantly affected by this algorithm change.

I took exception, because it looked like you were using a wide paint brush, and I wanted to clarify that while it may appear that those on the extreme edges of an issue were not willing to consider a statement from the middle, it is not always the case.

I have no real bone to pick with you, and I harbor no resentment towards you.

If you really do have a dislike of my brand of humor, you are not alone... And that is okay... I learned a long time ago that not everyone likes me, and I am good with that...

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I know you said just the opposite. You said that some search engine results for EZA are down, but overall, article marketing won't be significantly affected by this algorithm change.

Actually I think it will but in a way that it always should have - by making more people diversify

I took exception, because it looked like you were using a wide paint brush

And all I am saying is that the wide brush has been painted on the OP. He was simply lumped in with all the other death of thread starters without people even knowing what he was referring to. Like it or not the evidence is all over the internet article markeitng did take a hit yesterday. Fatal? I doubt it too. OP clarified it wasn't dead but thought it took a huge hit. I can't say he's wrong because no algorithm rolled out yesterday is going to show instant results today for all that will be affected. Its not all smoke because quite a few have been affected already.

If you really do have a dislike of my brand of humor, you are not alone... And that is okay...

Its not my cup of tea seeing false threads and you notice I don't go jumping all over you when you do it. I really was not targeting you with the middle comment. I've been in countless threads where you never participated that have the same knee jerk reaction that we don't want to hear anything that is different than the way we have been conducting business. I just think before we jump all over an Op for a title that is controversial but based on reality we might consider giving it the same tolerance we give to completely fake stories with controversial titles.

Seems a wee bit hypocritical.

As for your approach well its yours and if it works for you thats fine. I handle other peoples sites and know that they don't want to see their sites drop before I make changes to how I operate with an algo change. If Google makes a change and I get wind that many sites are being affected I appreciate knowing before my client's site drop. For some strange reason they expect me to stay on top of things and they don't want to hear that I was waiting for their income to get hit before i changed things.

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Eric Lorence

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRock

Guess articlesbase which recently announced their $500,000 per month profits will see that profit slashed by 80% to 90%, or even more! Same goes to all bum marketers. We have suvived numerious changes in the past, hope we will be able to survive this one too, and come out of it even stronger.

I wonder how many members here would kill to have 50k (10% of half a mil) ...

Profit every month?

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oldwarrioruser1 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Lorence

I wonder how many members here would kill to have 50k (10% of half a mil) ...

Profit every month?

Well I'd want to kill myself if I went from $500k to $50k per month.

(Not that they are going too, just saying )
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13 years ago

People love to create their own myth and spread to the community expecting others to believe them.

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makingiants

13 years ago

Then should we reduce our use of article directories and
focus more on posting to more web 2.0 sites for backlinks,
then?

I'm thinking that I'd post original content to EZA first before
I post similar articles to other article directories-is that type
of strategy now dead, then?

Thanks for the heads-up, everybody!
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JSProjects

13 years ago

Just to chime in. I've noticed a handful of my hubs / lenses drop pretty hard in the past few days. I've also heard that articles @ ezinearticles are dropping as well.

People that rely ONLY on "Bum Marketing" are going to feel it the most. I agree with Dire above. People really need to start running their own niche sites that focus on specific keywords instead of blasting the article directories.

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Fraggler 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

I've noticed a handful of my hubs / lenses drop pretty hard in the past few days. I've also heard that articles @ ezinearticles are dropping as well.

Mine have risen, some even leaped high.

Damn. I'm confused.

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13 years ago

garbage in garbage out...google wants quality over quantity

it's really that simple folks! you write quality content to provide value for readers and then google is your friend

you write for quantity and spammy stuff then goog is NOT your friend

garbage in garbage out

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13 years ago

Oh no, all those spun articles that clog up the search results are being wiped out?

Good.

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kayden57

Banned 13 years ago

I don't know about all this...I do a lot of list building but I still submit one article every day promoting a Clickbank child anxiety product that pays a $66.55 commission per sale.

My method has been working like a charm, and my sales of this product have steadily risen as more and more articles are submitted.

I have about 50 live articles promoting the product now, and I use a redirect to a .info domain because the product has an awesome sales page. It has been converting at roughly 1 sale every 60 hops since I started promoting it.

Anyway, here's my method.

1. Consult my list of keywords that I got from Google Adwords tool and find a longtail term that gets at least 500 searches per month and has a competition in quotes of less than 100,000 results.

2. Write article & submit to EZA, get the article approved there with two links to the sales page in the resource page. I also use an "in your face" type of resource box.

I say something like: "If you want to make sure your child is not now and NEVER suffers from [link]child anxiety disorder[link], then you need to educate yourself about [product name here], so [link]Click Here![link]

That seems to get their attention and is usually good for a 25%-35% CTR on most articles.

3. Once the article is accepted at EZA, it's time to do some SEO. I take the article, rewrite it, and then submit the rewritten article to 100-125 other directories with one link to the sales page and the OTHER link back to the EZA submission in the resource box (the link back to the original EZA submission will, of course, be the anchor text of the keywords I'm trying to rank for).

4. I then use a new site I joined called Social Monkee that gets you 25 free backlinks per day to any page you like (100 backlinks if you are a premium member) by submitting your link to social sites. I will always submit the EZA article.

5. Manually submit the EZA link to Stumble Upon, Yahoo Buzz, Google Buzz, Delicious, Twitter, Reddit, Digg, Facebook, Friendfeed, Jumptags, and any other social sites you like.

6. Turn the article into a video using Article to Video software and submit to YouTube, Metacafe, and Daily Motion. One link to sales page and one link to EZA article.

7. Turn your article into a PDf and submit to Scribd.

8. Wait a month or so and watch your article get on the first page of Google (not always, but many times).

7. Get traffic to your high converting Clickbank offer and make money.

Not only does this help your article rank, it sends traffic to your EZA and many times it can get it into the "Most Viewed" section on EZA.

So far, I've had no trouble making 3-5 sales per week of that particular product and one week I made 7 sales ($465.85).

As I get more and more article covered, I suspect I'll see more sales. I have a list of almost 350 keywords, and have written articles for almost 50 of them so far.

Imagine what will happen once I've done this for all 350+ keywords?

After that, I'll start on round 2 and keep going, and going, and going, and going, and going....

Also, I wanted to note that the article I'm writing aren't masterpieces, either. I'm no Ernest Hemingway... However, they are decent 400-425 word articles most times and this whole process usually takes about 90 minutes, since I have an automatic submitter to submit to the sites that allow it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by kayden57

I don't know about all this...I do a lot of list building but I still submit one article every day promoting a Clickbank child anxiety product that pays a $66.55 commission per sale.

My method has been working like a charm, and my sales of this product have steadily risen as more and more articles are submitted.

I have about 50 live articles promoting the product now, and I use a redirect to a .info domain because the product has an awesome sales page. It has been converting at roughly 1 sale every 60 hops since I started promoting it.

Anyway, here's my method.

1. Consult my list of keywords that I got from Google Adwords tool and find a longtail term that gets at least 500 searches per month and has a competition in quotes of less than 100,000 results.

2. Write article & submit to EZA, get the article approved there with two links to the sales page in the resource page. I also use an "in your face" type of resource box.

I say something like: "If you want to make sure your child is not now and NEVER suffers from [link]child anxiety disorder[link], then you need to educate yourself about [product name here], so [link]Click Here![link]

That seems to get their attention and is usually good for a 25%-35% CTR on most articles.

3. Once the article is accepted at EZA, it's time to do some SEO. I take the article, rewrite it, and then submit the rewritten article to 100-125 other directories with one link to the sales page and the OTHER link back to the EZA submission in the resource box (the link back to the original EZA submission will, of course, be the anchor text of the keywords I'm trying to rank for).

4. I then use a new site I joined called Social Monkee that gets you 25 free backlinks per day to any page you like (100 backlinks if you are a premium member) by submitting your link to social sites. I will always submit the EZA article.

5. Manually submit the EZA link to Stumble Upon, Yahoo Buzz, Google Buzz, Delicious, Twitter, Reddit, Digg, Facebook, Friendfeed, Jumptags, and any other social sites you like.

6. Turn the article into a video using Article to Video software and submit to YouTube, Metacafe, and Daily Motion. One link to sales page and one link to EZA article.

7. Turn your article into a PDf and submit to Scribd.

8. Wait a month or so and watch your article get on the first page of Google (not always, but many times).

7. Get traffic to your high converting Clickbank offer and make money.

Not only does this help your article rank, it sends traffic to your EZA and many times it can get it into the "Most Viewed" section on EZA.

So far, I've had no trouble making 3-5 sales per week of that particular product and one week I made 7 sales ($465.85).

As I get more and more article covered, I suspect I'll see more sales. I have a list of almost 350 keywords, and have written articles for almost 50 of them so far.

Imagine what will happen once I've done this for all 350+ keywords?

After that, I'll start on round 2 and keep going, and going, and going, and going, and going....

Also, I wanted to note that the article I'm writing aren't masterpieces, either. I'm no Ernest Hemingway... However, they are decent 400-425 word articles most times and this whole process usually takes about 90 minutes, since I have an automatic submitter to submit to the sites that allow it.

Pretty much what I do, and it is working a treat. I recently switched from a squeeze page to directly to the sales page and I've been getting much better conversions.

I'm currently trying to rank higher for a 10 word, longtail keyword, which recieves 6,600 exact searches per month. At the moment I'm ranked #9 and If I could make the top 3 the sales will surely roll in.

5 sales in 5 days so far, things are just start to look up for me, so I hope Google is kind to me

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by kayden57

I don't know about all this...I do a lot of list building but I still submit one article every day promoting a Clickbank child anxiety product that pays a $66.55 commission per sale.

My method has been working like a charm, and my sales of this product have steadily risen as more and more articles are submitted.

I have about 50 live articles promoting the product now, and I use a redirect to a .info domain because the product has an awesome sales page. It has been converting at roughly 1 sale every 60 hops since I started promoting it.

Anyway, here's my method.

1. Consult my list of keywords that I got from Google Adwords tool and find a longtail term that gets at least 500 searches per month and has a competition in quotes of less than 100,000 results.

2. Write article & submit to EZA, get the article approved there with two links to the sales page in the resource page. I also use an "in your face" type of resource box.

I say something like: "If you want to make sure your child is not now and NEVER suffers from [link]child anxiety disorder[link], then you need to educate yourself about [product name here], so [link]Click Here![link]

That seems to get their attention and is usually good for a 25%-35% CTR on most articles.

3. Once the article is accepted at EZA, it's time to do some SEO. I take the article, rewrite it, and then submit the rewritten article to 100-125 other directories with one link to the sales page and the OTHER link back to the EZA submission in the resource box (the link back to the original EZA submission will, of course, be the anchor text of the keywords I'm trying to rank for).

4. I then use a new site I joined called Social Monkee that gets you 25 free backlinks per day to any page you like (100 backlinks if you are a premium member) by submitting your link to social sites. I will always submit the EZA article.

5. Manually submit the EZA link to Stumble Upon, Yahoo Buzz, Google Buzz, Delicious, Twitter, Reddit, Digg, Facebook, Friendfeed, Jumptags, and any other social sites you like.

6. Turn the article into a video using Article to Video software and submit to YouTube, Metacafe, and Daily Motion. One link to sales page and one link to EZA article.

7. Turn your article into a PDf and submit to Scribd.

8. Wait a month or so and watch your article get on the first page of Google (not always, but many times).

7. Get traffic to your high converting Clickbank offer and make money.

Not only does this help your article rank, it sends traffic to your EZA and many times it can get it into the "Most Viewed" section on EZA.

So far, I've had no trouble making 3-5 sales per week of that particular product and one week I made 7 sales ($465.85).

As I get more and more article covered, I suspect I'll see more sales. I have a list of almost 350 keywords, and have written articles for almost 50 of them so far.

Imagine what will happen once I've done this for all 350+ keywords?

After that, I'll start on round 2 and keep going, and going, and going, and going, and going....

Also, I wanted to note that the article I'm writing aren't masterpieces, either. I'm no Ernest Hemingway... However, they are decent 400-425 word articles most times and this whole process usually takes about 90 minutes, since I have an automatic submitter to submit to the sites that allow it.

What's this post doing on this thread?

You mean you actually took the time post something helpful and informative, instead of taking shots against one side or the other?

It amazes me how many people want to simply bash a point of view (right or wrong), but never offer anything that is actually informative...Just opinions, opinions and more opinions.

Thanks for bucking the trend and trying to actually help and post something constructive and useful...

Now back to the regularly scheduled programing...

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Banned 13 years ago

Massive drops across the board being reported on all the big forums, specifically for EZA and for articles even that were aged with a nice page PR themselves.

Couldn't be happier, Bum Marketing has finally run its course. Submitting garbage articles for backlinks is now dead/worthless, and submitting garbage articles for easy-ranking is now dead.

Everyone will have to go back to actually writing quality articles in order to even have a SNIFF of traffic...what a shame.

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kayden57

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by CatherineC

Massive drops across the board being reported on all the big forums, specifically for EZA and for articles even that were aged with a nice page PR themselves.

Couldn't be happier, Bum Marketing has finally run its course. Submitting garbage articles for backlinks is now dead/worthless, and submitting garbage articles for easy-ranking is now dead.

Everyone will have to go back to actually writing quality articles in order to even have a SNIFF of traffic...what a shame.

I don't write crap articles, but I also don't believe in writing big 1000 word articles for article directories.

An article for an article directory should be just a taste of information, enough to entice the reader to click-through and buy to get the solution.

As I stated in my method above, I get about 100-150 backlinks per EZA submission,a nd I have not noticed any change since Google changed it's algo.

Bum Marketing is far from dead, has not now and never will run it's course as long as the internet revolves around fresh content.

Gogole can change it's algorith as much as they want, but until they develop technology that can read, understand, interpret, and determine the quality and usefullness of an article like a human can, Bum Marketing is here to stay.

Sorry to rain on your Bum Mrketing bashing parade.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kayden57

I don't write crap articles, but I also don't believe in writing big 1000 word articles for article directories.

An article for an article directory should be just a taste of information, enough to entice the reader to click-through and buy to get the solution.

As I stated in my method above, I get about 100-150 backlinks per EZA submission,a nd I have not noticed any change since Google changed it's algo.

Bum Marketing is far from dead, has not now and never will run it's course as long as the internet revolves around fresh content.

Gogole can change it's algorith as much as they want, but until they develop technology that can read, understand, interpret, and determine the quality and usefullness of an article like a human can, Bum Marketing is here to stay.

Sorry to rain on your Bum Mrketing bashing parade.

Wrong.

The reality is that long-term article writing for SERP ranking over time, even through legitimate backlinking methods (social bookmarks, web 2.0, youtube) is now dead.

It's not dead because of the quality of the backlinks. It's dead because the algo change massively devalues the entire directory as a whole from being included in search results.

Think about that for a while, and how it applies to your "business" (and I use that term loosely since you're not sharp enough to run an AR campaign on all those child anxiety leads, nor are you sharp enough to build an authority site around it FIRST before wasting your articles) and get back to me.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CatherineC

Wrong.

The reality is that long-term article writing for SERP ranking over time, even through legitimate backlinking methods (social bookmarks, web 2.0, youtube) is now dead.

It's not dead because of the quality of the backlinks. It's dead because the algo change massively devalues the entire directory as a whole from being included in search results.

Think about that for a while, and how it applies to your "business" (and I use that term loosely since you're not sharp enough to run an AR campaign on all those child anxiety leads, nor are you sharp enough to build an authority site around it FIRST before wasting your articles) and get back to me.

You obviously fail to understand the power of bum marketing.

It has nothing to do with backlinking. It has everything to do with syndication, as well as on site traffic.

You also neglect to understand that there is more to marketing than articles.

Video's, which can be encouraged to go viral, are extremely powerful. Podcasts as well.

Article sites, especially the big ones, have their own internal traffic.

And then there is syndication.

Writing an article or making a video just to get a backlink is stupid, and in my mind, why so many fail to make it with bum marketing.

I don't rely on Google for a damn thing. I want my content spread all over the net - and I don't care if it shows up in the SERPs.

I have never worried about Google rankings and my business operates just fine.

So please, tell me again that Bum Marketing doesn't work, or doesn't work anymore.

Oh? You can't.

Thanks for playing and goodnight.

Rob

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

I don't rely on Google for a damn thing. I want my content spread all over the net - and I don't care if it shows up in the SERPs.

agree with most of what you said but just for the fun of it I'm calling you on that. But first let me say that I really didn't read anything she said to imply that was the only way to market.

So you don't care if your articles appear in the serps? I think you have overstated your case. Serps for an article not only brings traffic to that article its how some people find your article to syndicate it on their own site. Not saying its the only way but I never knew a marketer that didn't care if he got extra traffic. Some who say it for effect yes but never really true.

Where i disagree with Catherine is that article directories are all dead. There is no universal rule for what an article site has to look like or operate like. If say Google targets ezinearticles then there can be another site that pops up that may operate more like a magazine or an about.com etc. I can't see how an algorithm is ever going to be able to say "Aha this is an article directory I am instantly discounting it. "

And I 'm going to disagree as well on the bad effect it has on newbies to see threads like this. There are more than enough WSOs launches and sales pages all over here and other places that sell the opposite idea that all you need to do is throw some articles and slam some forums and all will be well. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with posts to counteract and say - that used to be great stuff but isn't as effective as it used to be (Even if it still can work to a lesser degree.). I've ben in the SEO game for awhile and theres no doubt whatsoever some things that used to drive fantastic traffic no longer do like they used to. Fact.

I think some of you guys doth protest too much When thee is a thread that says "how I made $3,000 in three days starting from scratch" you aren't quite all over the OP as much. If someone is going to take one thread out of all the forums material on WF and be deceived it will probably be more that thread that will do them more harm than good. Either way if one thread is all they put into learning about any subject in IM then they won't be hurt at all. They were never going to make it and might as well be scared off.
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kayden57

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

You obviously fail to understand the power of bum marketing.

It has nothing to do with backlinking. It has everything to do with syndication, as well as on site traffic.

You also neglect to understand that there is more to marketing than articles.

Video's, which can be encouraged to go viral, are extremely powerful. Podcasts as well.

Article sites, especially the big ones, have their own internal traffic.

And then there is syndication.

Writing an article or making a video just to get a backlink is stupid, and in my mind, why so many fail to make it with bum marketing.

I don't rely on Google for a damn thing. I want my content spread all over the net - and I don't care if it shows up in the SERPs.

I have never worried about Google rankings and my business operates just fine.

So please, tell me again that Bum Marketing doesn't work, or doesn't work anymore.

Oh? You can't.

Thanks for playing and goodnight.

Rob

I'm with you on this. I don't think it's "wasting" articles to go ahead and blast them all over the internet. I can write a 400 word article in 15 minutes anyway, so even if it only gets me 1 sale every 3 months it's still worth it. I get tons of play off of a 400 word article.

I'm all set. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. I'm making almost $500 a week on average off of 52 articles that I have published promoting this one product, so I could care less what anyone else says because I know what's true - and that is I'm making bank on my articles.

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GoodnightSweetRatRace

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kayden57

I'm with you on this. I don't think it's "wasting" articles to go ahead and blast them all over the internet. I can write a 400 word article in 15 minutes anyway, so even if it only gets me 1 sale every 3 months it's still worth it. I get tons of play off of a 400 word article.

I'm all set. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. I'm making almost $500 a week on average off of 52 articles that I have published promoting this one product, so I could care less what anyone else says because I know what's true - and that is I'm making bank on my articles.

I'm with you on this.

Although it has got me more determined to focus on other streams of income.

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CatherineC

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

You obviously fail to understand the power of bum marketing.

It has nothing to do with backlinking. It has everything to do with syndication, as well as on site traffic.

You also neglect to understand that there is more to marketing than articles.

Video's, which can be encouraged to go viral, are extremely powerful. Podcasts as well.

Article sites, especially the big ones, have their own internal traffic.

And then there is syndication.

Writing an article or making a video just to get a backlink is stupid, and in my mind, why so many fail to make it with bum marketing.

I don't rely on Google for a damn thing. I want my content spread all over the net - and I don't care if it shows up in the SERPs.

I have never worried about Google rankings and my business operates just fine.

So please, tell me again that Bum Marketing doesn't work, or doesn't work anymore.

Oh? You can't.

Thanks for playing and goodnight.

Rob

Search some of my posts before you open your mouth Rob, though I can understand your venom from your Article Marketing WSOs likely being a harder pitch from this point forward (which is likely the majority of your income).

If you had, you would have noticed that I've made several contributions on the syndication front, explaining its power and illustrating why it's necessary.

Searching for ways to monetize articles OUTSIDE the directories should now be the goal of any writer, not simply barfing up content on EZA and then throwing forum links at it.

Love guys that pop off when their world is threatened, time for a new model sport, the WSO article writing one might be over eh?

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Ken Strong 13 years ago

Here's your Quik-n-E.Z. Guide to threads on the forum that contain the phrase "death of" somewhere in the title:

http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php?searchid=7682664

Enjoy!
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kayden57

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by CatherineC

Wrong.

The reality is that long-term article writing for SERP ranking over time, even through legitimate backlinking methods (social bookmarks, web 2.0, youtube) is now dead.

It's not dead because of the quality of the backlinks. It's dead because the algo change massively devalues the entire directory as a whole from being included in search results.

Think about that for a while, and how it applies to your "business" (and I use that term loosely since you're not sharp enough to run an AR campaign on all those child anxiety leads, nor are you sharp enough to build an authority site around it FIRST before wasting your articles) and get back to me.

Excuse me, but how do you know what I have done around that campaign? I do have several blogs and reviews sites dedicated to it, many of which rank on page 1 for several keyword terms.

And to just come out and say that authority backlinking through youtube and social bookmarking is "dead" proves your ignorance on the subject.

And since my profits and commissions are rising at a rate of 5-10% each week (and this algo change has not affected that, but in fact seemed to increase it), I'd say I'm doing something right.

And the fact that I was able to build a subscriber list of 2000 people in 3 months using basic and proven methods proves I know how to drive traffic.

If what you say is true, then why not just quit writing content altogether? According to your statement, YouTube, EZA, Digg, HubPages, etc should just close their doors and quit.

The whole point of article marketing is to write and submit articles to directories for backlinks and traffic, so if it's dead, I guess the hundreds of thousands of people who write and submit articles every day should just quit, right?

BTW: My list is not in the child anxiety niche, it's in IM. Does that clear up why I'm not "sharp" enough to write a successful AR campaign for that product? Pretty hard to do when your list is in a different niche.

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Palusko

13 years ago

Article MArketing is not Bum Marketing. In Bum Marketing, you are basically building up someone else's site (like EZA, Squidoo etc), while in Article Marketing, your efforts are based around your own online properties. So why would I bother with bum marketing and spend time (many times years) developing 3rd party sites? To me, Bum Marketing was dead at birth...

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

The death of, the death of, the death of...

Good God.

I hope no newbie reads this thread and decides to quit before they begin. Sheesh.

Rob

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Eric Lorence 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

The death of, the death of, the death of...

Good God.

I hope no newbie reads this thread and decides to quit before they begin. Sheesh.

Rob

Been about 30 a month since I've been here ...

Never changes ...
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- Rob Howard 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Eric Lorence
  
  Been about 30 a month since I've been here ...
  
  Never changes ...
  
  I know.
  
  And every single one I see I'm always praying that someone doesn't fall into that trap.
  
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spectrecom

13 years ago

I'm very nervous about the "death of article marketing".

I hope that Google stills sees some value in it. It's takes time, effort, expertise, authority and knowledge to write good articles (unlike many other back link building methods).

Article spinners and automated submitters aside, there are far more dubious ways of enhancing your supposed online "authority".

I think it would very unfair of Google to discount it entirely. I really hope that is not the case.

However, it does go to show that one of the keys to good SEO is link diversity. Put all your eggs in one basket at your peril. An algorithm change can make or break lots of business.

Protect yourself against this be ensuring you have links from lots of different sites and lots of domain.

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John Durham

13 years ago

Time to start creating your own internet real estate.

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Rich Struck 13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Time to start creating your own internet real estate.

You mean writing thousands of articles to put on sites that you don't control is a bad idea?
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- GoodnightSweetRatRace 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rich Struck
  
  You mean writing thousands of articles to put on sites that you don't control is a bad idea?
  
  You can't rank on the first page of google in 1-2 months with a brand new website.
  
  Nothing wrong with doing both. (Building articles on directories and your own site)
  
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Ernie Lo

13 years ago

*Shrugs*

I've been making more money in the last few days than I ever have, and my whole business is pretty much article marketing....

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kayden57 Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo

*Shrugs*

I've been making more money in the last few days than I ever have, and my whole business is pretty much article marketing....

I'm with you on this. Many of my articles have gone up in the search engines due to the fact that the crappy autoblogs who were beating them out are now gone. I say this is an awesome thing for article marketers, not a negative thing. I made 5 sales today from my articles, and 3 yesterday.
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sarahberra

13 years ago

I heard that google is really going to crack down on content companies and even sites like e.how.com. However, I have no idea how on earth they are going to do this. Has this change already taken place??

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