Why are your posts disappearing?

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If one or more of your posts have disappeared, here are the most likely reasons:

1. Violated one or more rules. This is the one you most want to avoid.

2. Tons of pointless one-liners. Sorry, folks, but if you come in as a new member and start posting a ton of one- or two-liners, they're going to end up being deleted. If you're new and your post count dropped a lot, fast, that's almost always the reason.

Same with posting to a lot of old threads. One member dredged up at least a half dozen threads today from 2009, with comments that added nothing to the original discussions.

3. Wrong section of the forum. This is getting ridiculous. We move 100 or more posts per day from main discussion into various sub-sections. I'd say that's a very conservative guesstimate, since my last 3 passes through have resulted in moving 40 or 50 in a short time. And that's just me. There are a half dozen mods handling stuff in this section.

If you want the best answers to your questions, post them where the people hang out who focus on the topic involved.

Over the past few weeks, I've been alternating between moving such posts, closing them with a note about where they belong, and outright deleting them. I am going to start slanting much more toward simply deleting them. It appears that is the most likely action to get people to pay attention.

If you want a review of your web site design, or have a question about web site design, put it in the web site design section. If you want help with Wordpress themes or layout, put it in web site design. Or, if it's a programming issue, in the programming section.

If you want a review of your sales copy, put it in the copywriting section.

Posts relating to CPA that are posted in main discussion will simply be deleted. The majority of those are fakes, designed to get attention for specific programs. Speaking of which, I'd be very careful about believing most of the reviews of programs in that section of the board. It's rife with shills.

Cleaning that section out without nuking every person associated directly with a company would take two weeks, doing nothing else. Yeah. It's that bad.

You've been warned.

Product reviews belong in the reviews section. If you don't have enough posts to put one in there, wait until you do. There's a reason for that limit.

Note: Support questions about products are not reviews, and do not belong in the review section. A LOT of people are confused about this. The first place for a support question is (surprise!) the merchant's support forum or mailbox. Not the Warrior Forum.

If you must ask here, do it in the section most relevant to the product in question.

The SEO stuff is absolutely the worst. Questions about backlinks, page rank, the effect of domain names on placement in the search engine results, and anything else that has to do with where a site appears in a search engine belong in the SEO section. AdSense, AdWords and PPC stuff go in the same section. (Yes, it seems odd. It's close, and it keeps us from having too many sections that are too narrowly focused.)

Do not expect a personal explanation about why your posts were deleted. We're not going to get into 100 or more arguments per day with people who haven't read the rules and don't pay attention. Or with more experienced people who post in main discussion because it gets more eyeballs.

If someone posts something that's in the wrong section, please point them to this thread, and then report the post. We'll probably just nuke it, but they might see the pointer before that happens.

If you spend time answering a question that doesn't belong in the section where it's posted, don't get mad if your answer gets deleted. Wait until they post it in the right place to help them out.

Articles belong in the articles section. Note: This section has been closed. We still do not allow articles in the discussion areas.

Videos as thread starters are being treated as articles and being deleted. We are not going to spend the time looking at every video someone posts to make sure it's not self-promotional, despite the poster's comments about the awesome content.


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  • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
    Hahha, this is so useful. I was wondering this too,
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    • Profile picture of the author blue_sky
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Thanks.
      Alot. (Not a one-liner)
      LOL can I copy your 2 line post template
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        • Profile picture of the author GatoFelix
          I think "wrong section of the forum" is the number one reason posts are disappearing now days.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by GatoFelix View Post

            I think "wrong section of the forum" is the number one reason posts are disappearing now days.

            Many of those are being locked and left where they sit.
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            • Profile picture of the author donhx
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Many of those are being locked and left where they sit.

              Yes, I've been seeing that. I wish the Mods would just move or delete them. Tidy is as tidy does.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
            Originally Posted by GatoFelix View Post

            I think "wrong section of the forum" is the number one reason posts are disappearing now days.
            I'm pretty sure you're right.
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          • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
            Originally Posted by GatoFelix View Post

            I think "wrong section of the forum" is the number one reason posts are disappearing now days.
            People are still posting in the wrong section of the forum.

            It seems to be improving though.

            If more members post reminders instead of replying to these threads it would help.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

              People are still posting in the wrong section of the forum.

              It seems to be improving though.

              If more members post reminders instead of replying to these threads it would help.
              I saw you were on a mission there Zac! Thought they'd made you a mod!

              I hold my hands up and admit I did post in one of those, I just thought it was borderline and couldn't resist the threads subject. You are right though, it would be better if people didn't comment on threads that don't belong in a particular part of the forum and well done to you for righting wrongs Zac!
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              • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                I saw you were on a mission there Zac! Thought they'd made you a mod!

                I hold my hands up and admit I did post in one of those, I just thought it was borderline and couldn't resist the threads subject. You are right though, it would be better if people didn't comment on threads that don't belong in a particular part of the forum and well done to you for righting wrongs Zac!
                A few other members have been posting reminders already actually, not enough though (most are still replying, and encouraging the threads to develop in the wrong section)

                I often reply to these threads myself to be honest, it is a habit.
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    Well Paul, this isn't the first time you are saying this.

    Maybe they'll listen this time
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    I've noticed this too Paul. I feel bad for the mods for having to keep on moving all this stuff.

    Maybe an javascript script could be added to filter out words in the main forum like SEO, backlinks, and so on. If someone tries to make a thread with those words in the title, a popup can remind them that those posts belong in the SEO forum.

    Or, the SEO forum can become a subforum of this main forum, so less people miss it.

    I do have one question through regarding necrobumping. What if the thread that is being bumped has a really good OP, and the poster is just trying to bring it back out of the "not-on-page-1-graveyard"? Why do they HAVE to add value to the thread for their post to stick?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Joshua,
      I do have one question through regarding necrobumping. What if the thread that is being bumped has a really good OP, and the poster is just trying to bring it back out of the "not-on-page-1-graveyard"? Why do they HAVE to add value to the thread for their post to stick?
      I'll give you something to think about, and let you answer your own question: How many really, really good threads are there on this forum? More than the number of spaces on the first 3 pages?


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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Joshua,I'll give you something to think about, and let you answer your own question: How many really, really good threads are there on this forum? More than the number of spaces on the first 3 pages?


        Paul
        True that. Heck, I know just as well as anyone how many good threads there are here, having tried to compile a list of them myself. Even so, I wouldn't mind very much if the front page was dominated by awesome threads most of the time.

        Perhaps the solution is to create a place specifically for newbies to ask questions?
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Joshua,
          True that. Heck, I know just as well as anyone how many good threads there are here, having tried to compile a list of them myself. Even so, I wouldn't mind very much if the front page was dominated by awesome threads most of the time.
          No way that's going to be allowed. Not by people continuously bumping old threads, at any rate. Do that and what happens? How long do you think the long-term members would stick around?

          What happens when they leave?

          There's an easy way to evaluate your own suggestions: Okay... If we do that, what happens next? Who will be affected, and how? What behaviors will change, and why? Is this a good thing?


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          • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Joshua,No way that's going to be allowed. Not by people continuously bumping old threads, at any rate. Do that and what happens? How long do you think the long-term members would stick around?

            What happens when they leave?

            There's an easy way to evaluate your own suggestions: Okay... If we do that, what happens next? Who will be affected, and how? What behaviors will change, and why? Is this a good thing?


            Paul
            I see your point Paul, I guess I didn't think that one through. Sheesh, it's not an easy problem to solve. Still, I believe prevention is the best medicine, so I'll keep thinking about it.

            What if threads were automatically locked after a month or two of inactivity? Could that cause any problems? I mean, if after 60-90 days of no posting, it's safe to assume that the conversation is over right?
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Joshua,
              Sheesh, it's not an easy problem to solve.
              Sure it is. The easy way would be to simply delete anything that's in the wrong section. Bang. End of problem.
              What if threads were automatically locked after a month or two of inactivity? Could that cause any problems? I mean, if after 60-90 days of no posting, it's safe to assume that the conversation is over right?
              Digging up old threads is a relatively minor problem, except for the occasional spambot. Those are easily enough dealt with. Some of the additions add significant value, so we're not seeing the point in auto-locking them yet. Maybe some time in the future, but it'd have to be a lot worse before it would be worth that.


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      • Profile picture of the author donhx
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Joshua,I'll give you something to think about, and let you answer your own question: How many really, really good threads are there on this forum? More than the number of spaces on the first 3 pages?


        Paul

        I think some of those old posts get fresh responses because of searches on a topic. You read them and reply, not realizing that many search results are really old.

        I've been guilty of doing that a couple times myself. I try to remember to check the date before I reply, but it's easy to forget to do that when you are interested in the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    It has occurred to me more than once that if you simply move any thread posted in the wrong forum to the right forum...

    Well, that means we don't have to put them in the right forum. We can just completely ignore the subforums and post everything on the main board, secure in the knowledge that our thread will be moved into the right forum for us.

    It's one of those interesting side-effects where a basic courtesy turns into part of your job description. Deleting misfiled threads would get a lot more people's attention and probably create the result you want: people putting the thread where it belongs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Hey Paul,

    What about threads?

    I created a satirical thread(Aimed at newbies who look for magic bullets in the WSO section) about a future WSo for a wordpress plugin called, the "Common Sense" plugin.But it was deleted.

    What rule did I violate? I was not pre-selling any real WSO, the underlying message was well intentioned. All the posters in the thread interpretted it as a satirical post and played along.

    Im not trying to be a troll here, I have had many posts and threads deleted before, but this one perplexes me.

    Respectfully
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Chris,

      I'm not sure why. Maybe because it was off topic? Or the mod might not have read it through and realized it was a joke? We get so many pre-selling threads, nuking them is almost a reflex.

      Hell, on that basis, it could easily have been me, although I don't recall it.


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      • Profile picture of the author MarthaD.
        Glad this came up. I've been wondering myself what happened to a post I responded to.
        I had an email that there were additional comments giving me the link to it but got a message that the link wasn't valid. I followed the advice saying that if I followed a link that was given to me that I should notify the administrator. I clicked on that link and reported a problem with the link but never heard back from anyone.
        I tried searching the site but can't seem to find it. I was also puzzled by the reply quoted in the email - something about not posting directories??? I didn't post any directories - I did post a couple of sites I thought might be helpful but they weren't directories. Also I spelled them out since, at the time, I wasn't able to post any URL's and I wasn't an affiliate - in fact, they were just free sites.
        I still don't know what happened but I guess I'm not going to - no response back from any administrator after reporting the invalid link so I guess the post is just gone - maybe to some unknown internet forum in the sky!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Hey Paul,

      What about threads?

      I created a satirical thread(Aimed at newbies who look for magic bullets in the WSO section) about a future WSo for a wordpress plugin called, the "Common Sense" plugin.But it was deleted.

      What rule did I violate? I was not pre-selling any real WSO, the underlying message was well intentioned. All the posters in the thread interpretted it as a satirical post and played along.

      Im not trying to be a troll here, I have had many posts and threads deleted before, but this one perplexes me.

      Respectfully
      Chris

      Satire is only sometimes tolerated. I should know... LOL

      Honestly though, satire generally belongs in Off-Topic, doesn't it? I don't mind being kicked to OT. Sure there are less newbie eyeballs, but I have found that most of the regulars have learned to go there for a good laugh.

      The main forum is intended for "making money" threads. And sometimes they allow people to post a bunch of silly questions.

      I don't envy the job that Paul and the other mods have to do. It is hard to be even-handed with these things.

      Their job is made even harder when people like us start good threads, and people whom we irritate chase us around calling us things like, "serial thread starters" and suggesting that our posts would make an "awesome blog post" or "awesome article". LOL

      When we answer questions, it is harder to fault us. But when we are starting threads, we paint a huge bull's eye on our foreheads.

      I am finding myself spending less time here at the forum now, and I bet that news delights those whom I irritate.

      We have got to realize that whatever we do in a thread starter may have political ramifications beyond the value that we present. There are other people who do not want us doing those things, and the mods have to deal with the fallout of that. Often it is just easier to delete our threads than to have to delete the onslaught of complaints, from people with an axe to grind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      I created a satirical thread(Aimed at newbies who look for magic bullets in the WSO section) about a future WSo for a wordpress plugin called, the "Common Sense" plugin.But it was deleted.

      What rule did I violate? I was not pre-selling any real WSO, the underlying message was well intentioned. All the posters in the thread interpretted it as a satirical post and played along.
      Just a guess here, but it's also a possibility that an exhausted and already-disgusted mod glanced at the thread title and deleted it without reading it as carefully as he should have.

      Anyways, looks like the thread is now visible and open in Off-Topic, which is where it belongs anyway IMHO.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

        Just a guess here, but it's also a possibility that an exhausted and already-disgusted mod glanced at the thread title and deleted it without reading it as carefully as he should have.

        Anyways, looks like the thread is now visible and open in Off-Topic, which is where it belongs anyway IMHO.
        I remember commenting on that thread - and it was in the OT. Didn't know that wasn't where it was posted originally.

        I haven't read this whole thread at this point - so not sure yet if this will be covered in the next page and a half - but for those of us in the OT, it gets pretty irritating to go in to have some fun and find a line up of IM threads, too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Sal,
          for those of us in the OT, it gets pretty irritating to go in to have some fun and find a line up of IM threads, too.
          Let's see... They're in the wrong section, so what should you do?

          Hmmm... Gee. I wonder. Should you... maybe, and it's just a thought... report them?

          What the heck. It's worth a try, right?


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  • Profile picture of the author rcritchett
    Great thread, good to know! I would also add that if your thread devalues, or goes (in any way) against traditional internet marketing methods (particularly shady ones), and it gets negative attention, I've seen threads get canned for that!

    At any rate, good to know
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Ryan,
      I would also add that if your thread devalues, or goes (in any way) against traditional internet marketing methods (particularly shady ones), and it gets negative attention, I've seen threads get canned for that!
      I'm not sure I'm parsing your comment right.

      Threads rarely get nuked for disagreeing with traditional methods. They quite often get nuked if they promote spamming and similar tactics. Especially email spam. That's an instant nuke, and usually a ban of some length to go with it.


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      • Profile picture of the author rcritchett
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Ryan,I'm not sure I'm parsing your comment right.

        Threads rarely get nuked for disagreeing with traditional methods. They quite often get nuked if they promote spamming and similar tactics. Especially email spam. That's an instant nuke, and usually a ban of some length to go with it.


        Paul
        One one occasion, one of my posts was torched Paul for.. well I'm not sure why.

        It had the word spamming blogs in the title, but the content of the post was specifically, in fact exclusively about NOT spamming blogs and how irritating it is to bloggers!

        I think, implicit in that particular case COULD BE whoever taking it down not getting into it, but judging only from the title. Who knows? I certainly am not sure.

        Thanks for replying, hope that clears it up for you PAUL.
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    Thanks Paul and still thanks for clarifying the madness today. there are those that do try to get the rules right but may miss a step or two. Mistakes happen dont mean to drive you crazy over them LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Darren,
      There are those that do try to get the rules right but may miss a step or two.
      Mistakes happen. Hell, even very experienced people can get a bit lost in the confusion when dealing with what we've got here. This place is bigger than most forums, by a large margin. And we are stricter about many things than a lot of other places.

      That may or may not be a good thing, depending on your perspective. I just consider it different, rather than "better" or "worse."


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      • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Darren,Mistakes happen. Hell, even very experienced people can get a bit lost in the confusion when dealing with what we've got here. This place is bigger than most forums, by a large margin. And we are stricter about many things than a lot of other places.

        That may or may not be a good thing, depending on your perspective. I just consider it different, rather than "better" or "worse."


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        Too bad there isnt a software that alerts people when something goes wrong. Would seem like it would save you some serious time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Ryan,

          I'm not sure on that one. It may have been one of the unusual threads that devolved into a purely personal round of sniping, and didn't offer enough value above that to be worth leaving. That's just a possibility, though, and may not be the case.

          Darren,

          There are too many potential reasons for these things for any software to cover them all. And the big problem with explaining, even if it could be done with such a system, is the tendency of people to argue how their post was somehow different. Or, also common, to scream at the mods for having the nerve to censor their comments.

          Side rant: What do they think moderators do, anyway?

          An uncensored forum would allow anyone to say anything on any topic at any time in any section. It would not have moderators at all. Such a forum would be useless for any focused purpose.

          The function of a moderator is to act as a censor. The real questions are, based on what rules and goals, and how sensitive is the trigger?

          Any moderator who refuses to acknowledge that either has a very different definition of the word 'censor' than I'm acquainted with or is deluding his or her self.


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          • Profile picture of the author rcritchett
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Ryan,

            I'm not sure on that one. It may have been one of the unusual threads that devolved into a purely personal round of sniping, and didn't offer enough value above that to be worth leaving. That's purely a possibility, though, and may not be the case.

            Darren,

            There are too many potential reasons for these things for any software to cover them all. And the big problem with explaining, even if it could be done with such a system, is the tendency of people to argue how their post was somehow different. Or, also common, to scream at the mods for having the nerve to censor their comments.

            Side rant: What do they think moderators do, anyway?

            An uncensored forum would allow anyone to say anything on any topic at any time in any section. It would not have moderators at all. Such a forum would be useless for any focused purpose.

            The function of a moderator is to act as a censor. The real questions are, based on what rules and goals, and how sensitive is the trigger?

            Any moderator who refuses to acknowledge that either has a very different definition of the word 'censor' than I'm acquainted with or is deluding his or her self.


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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            The function of a moderator is to act as a censor. The real questions are, based on what rules and goals, and how sensitive is the trigger?
            Censorship, to my understanding, is an attempt to stifle or prevent any and all discussion of a specific topic. Since you can always go discuss whatever you want elsewhere, and there's little or no barrier to doing so, I have never considered moderation to be censorship.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Caliban,
              Censorship, to my understanding, is an attempt to stifle or prevent any and all discussion of a specific topic. Since you can always go discuss whatever you want elsewhere, and there's little or no barrier to doing so, I have never considered moderation to be censorship.
              That's one alternative view of the topic. It's true, as far as the facts go. The interpretation is reasonable. Not the same as mine, but I wouldn't say it's any less valid.

              You raise an excellent point, either way. There is nothing preventing anyone from finding or creating a place that allows the topics we don't.


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              • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                Paul

                For what it's worth, I think for the most part you and the other mods do a good job. Can't please everybody, always.

                I've had threads deleted, but hey, I don't let it bother me... I don't own the forum or have the vested interest that the owner does...sometimes people seem to forget that fact.

                side note...
                I get your talkbiz, and sometimes when running down the list in gmail, I see your name and I get a split second feeling I have my email in the wrong place.

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                • Profile picture of the author Zachmo
                  The thing is a thread can never be deleted without any valid reason, it's something each of us is sure of Thanks for this thread, I will take note of this.
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                  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
                    Originally Posted by Zachmo View Post

                    The thing is a thread can never be deleted without any valid reason, it's something each of us is sure of Thanks for this thread, I will take note of this.
                    Well, I posted this in the last thread on this subject. Seems appropriate here. If one can't "seem" to find a valid reason, just remember...

                    Policy: Posts will never be deleted without Just Cause.

                    Question/Argument: Why did my post get deleted?

                    Answer: Just Cause.

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          • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Ryan,

            I'm not sure on that one. It may have been one of the unusual threads that devolved into a purely personal round of sniping, and didn't offer enough value above that to be worth leaving. That's purely a possibility, though, and may not be the case.

            Darren,

            There are too many potential reasons for these things for any software to cover them all. And the big problem with explaining, even if it could be done with such a system, is the tendency of people to argue how their post was somehow different. Or, also common, to scream at the mods for having the nerve to censor their comments.

            Side rant: What do they think moderators do, anyway?

            An uncensored forum would allow anyone to say anything on any topic at any time in any section. It would not have moderators at all. Such a forum would be useless for any focused purpose.

            The function of a moderator is to act as a censor. The real questions are, based on what rules and goals, and how sensitive is the trigger?

            Any moderator who refuses to acknowledge that either has a very different definition of the word 'censor' than I'm acquainted with or is deluding his or her self.


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          Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

          Too bad there isnt a software that alerts people when something goes wrong. Would seem like it would save you some serious time.
          Darren, unfortunately I don't think there's any software sophisticated or intelligent enough to parse through all the subtleties and the subjective nature of these rules. If someone is ever able to devise something that could do this well, then it'd basically make moderators obsolete!

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    Thanks Paul,

    I've copied the URL of this thread so I can post it in Threads where needed. Great Idea.

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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Oh man, the SEO threads... They actually genuinely devalue the main forum for me. Constant, constant repetition of the same old questions that get old in the Adsense/SEO forum and just don't belong in this one. There are way too many of them for mods to effectively deal with them, it seems to me.
    What happened to that vBulletin option that makes you check the box before posting and asks if this is the most appropriate forum for this thread? Doesn't help with people who don't KNOW that this isn't the most appropriate forum, of course, but maybe some would stop and think.

    Oh, please make the SEO threads go away...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post


      Oh, please make the SEO threads go away...
      Report them. Every one you see. If more people did this, you'd see a clean up. There's a handful of mods for thousands of members - they're not omniscient.
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        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Report them. Every one you see. If more people did this, you'd see a clean up. There's a handful of mods for thousands of members - they're not omniscient.
        Tina, I already report at least half a dozen spammers every day and they do get dealt with in minutes. But this problem, I just feel there must be a less labour-intensive way of going about it... Spam is a policing issue, using the wrong forum is more one of education.
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        • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
          Originally Posted by markowe View Post

          Tina, I already report at least half a dozen spammers every day and they do get dealt with in minutes. But this problem, I just feel there must be a less labour-intensive way of going about it... Spam is a policing issue, using the wrong forum is more one of education.
          Thanks for bringing this up. I think there is a clear difference in someone who is here to spam versus making an honest mistake.

          I am not saying ignorance should be an excuse, but there may be times, especially for those who are not on the forums on a regular basis, that a little education instead is a better option.

          If a post gets deleted, it helps to know why. I know the moderators can not possibly do that all the time, but I think in certain instances, especially if the topic is in a gray area, a person may put a topic in the wrong section by mistake and not realize it.
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  • Profile picture of the author imfusa
    You should put this post as sticky to every important section of the forum, it would help a lot of us to know, especially why were our posts deleted
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by imfusa View Post

      You should put this post as sticky to every important section of the forum, it would help a lot of us to know, especially why were our posts deleted
      Really? Have you read all the stickies that are there now?
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Really? Have you read all the stickies that are there now?
        Well he hasn't read the one about sig files being in normal sized text.
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      • Profile picture of the author imfusa
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Really? Have you read all the stickies that are there now?
        Only the interesting ones, like " You are the moderator" :p

        Originally Posted by [URL="http://www.warriorforum.com/members/lgibbon.html"

        lgibbon[/URL]]Well he hasn't read the one about sig files being in normal sized text.
        (3) Sig files may only be written in the normal standard font size.

        (4) You may bold or italicize but that's it.


        I don't see any problems with my sig, it is normal size, just that they are bold.
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by imfusa View Post


          (3) Sig files may only be written in the normal standard font size.

          You're not using a normal standard font though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Les,
            You're not using a normal standard font though.
            I read that rule as applying to the size of the font, not the face. It probably should say "font and size," but it does not at the moment.

            I really don't see switching to Arial as a problem. That said, as soon as one of the more "adventurous" types reads this, they'll try some oddball font, and the rule will be adjusted. Or not. I'm good with it either way.

            By the way... Folks are reporting sig files for having 6 lines. Before you do that, check to see if the person using 6 lines is a War Room member. They're allowed the extra.


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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

            You're not using a normal standard font though.
            One could argue that if it's in the font drop-down, it's considered normal and standard.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Caliban,
              One could argue that if it's in the font drop-down, it's considered normal and standard.
              One could also argue that any text which the software doesn't refuse to post is allowable. And with about the same degree of validity to the argument.


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        • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
          Originally Posted by imfusa View Post

          (3) Sig files may only be written in the normal standard font size.

          (4) You may bold or italicize but that's it.


          I don't see any problems with my sig, it is normal size, just that they are bold.

          I believe that you are mistaken. I looked at the HTML code for your signature and found this:
          Code:
          <font face="Arial Black"><b><font size="2">
          I am fairly certain that the font size="2" part indicates that your signature is larger than the default font size, which means that it is not in compliance with the rules. By the way, you have also applied the bold tag to a font type that is already quite heavy (Arial Black). That makes the type even bigger, though not by much. It also makes your signature look slightly blurry.

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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

            I believe that you are mistaken. I looked at the HTML code for your signature and found this:
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            <font face="Arial Black"><b><font size="2">
            I am fairly certain that the font size="2" part indicates that your signature is larger than the default font size, which means that it is not in compliance with the rules. By the way, you have also applied the bold tag to a font type that is already quite heavy (Arial Black). That makes the type even bigger, though not by much. It also makes your signature look slightly blurry.

            Phil
            Actually size 2 is the forum standard - at least, all my posts are that font. What happened though, is this person found a way to work within the settings to adhere to the letter of the law, instead of the spirit of the law.

            Good example of why the rules are NOT more specific - because someone always finds a way to push the boundaries.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
              I wish people would do more reporting in the subforums. The Web Design forum and others are an absolute cesspool of spammers and useless posts.
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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

                I wish people would do more reporting in the subforums. The Web Design forum and others are an absolute cesspool of spammers and useless posts.
                Gail, the issue is that many of us don't visit these less active subforums, and it is the members themselves who'll have to police these more vigorously in order to eliminate the spammers and the nonsensical comments.
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                  Gail, the issue is that many of us don't visit these less active subforums, and it is the members themselves who'll have to police these more vigorously in order to eliminate the spammers and the nonsensical comments.
                  That's a good point Paulie.

                  In Gails favour though, I just had a quick look too. First thread I see is from someone, 2 posts in, selling web design in China, called, wait for it....Alexasmith123.

                  If that's allowed, I'm changing my name to Allen Says 321 and you can become Paulie Myers.
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                  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                    That's a good point Paulie.

                    In Gails favour though, I just had a quick look too. First thread I see is from someone, 2 posts in, selling web design in China, called, wait for it....Alexasmith123.

                    If that's allowed, I'm changing my name to Allen Says 321 and you can become Paulie Myers.
                    That's hilarious, Richard. Sounds like a lame and misguided attempt to pass themselves off as reputable, upstanding warriors - it'd be even funnier if they tried using duplicate avatars too.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                      That's hilarious, Richard. Sounds like a lame and misguided attempt to pass themselves off as reputable, upstanding warriors - it'd be even funnier if they tried using duplicate avatars too.

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                      What was really funny was he had Alexa's name but his own Avater, if he had her Avatar, it would have been priceless, the reason being he started the post off with...

                      "Hi, my names Kevin"
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                      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                        What was really funny was he had Alexa's name but his own Avater, if he had her Avatar, it would have been priceless, the reason being he started the post off with...

                        "Hi, my names Kevin"
                        Well, it's still funny nevertheless, having the username of a female and calling himself Kevin. These scammers must have been extras on "Dumb and Dumber" - they don't even think through their scams thoroughly, and as a result their antics end up being comedy hour in here.
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            • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
              Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

              Actually size 2 is the forum standard - at least, all my posts are that font. What happened though, is this person found a way to work within the settings to adhere to the letter of the law, instead of the spirit of the law.
              Hi Tina,

              I don't believe that is correct. You shouldn't see size="2" when viewing the HTML code of a page on this forum unless someone intentionally changed the type size. On this page you'll see it because we're discussing it, but normally it shouldn't be there.

              Here's a little demo:

              1. This is some text written using the default type size.

              2. This is some text written using the size="2" tag.

              As you can see, the second line above is larger than the one above it, as well as the rest of the text in this message.

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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Phil,
                Here's a little demo:

                1. This is some text written using the default type size.

                2. This is some text written using the size="2" tag.

                As you can see, the second line above is larger than the one above it, as well as the rest of the text in this message.
                Actually, I don't see anything of the kind.

                Size 2 is the default for the forum. Stipulating it is redundant, and doesn't change anything.


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                • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Phil,Actually, I don't see anything of the kind.

                  Size 2 is the default for the forum. Stipulating it is redundant, and doesn't change anything.
                  Hi Paul,

                  Hmmm, that's interesting. Then it would seem that it's dependent on the web browser and/or operating system, because I can definitely see a difference (see attached picture). BTW, out of curiosity I just tried viewing your reply using a different web browser on a different computer, and on that one the second line of text was actually smaller than the first.

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                  • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
                    Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

                    Then it would seem that it's dependent on the web browser and/or operating system, because I can definitely see a difference (see attached picture).
                    What is the Text Size setting in your browser. You will only see differences if it isn't set to the default size. In IE the default is "Medium". In FF, the default font if Times New Roman at 16 points.
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    yea...this is useful since my post was taking off too

    thanks paul
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  • Profile picture of the author CMCarlin
    Thanks for clarifying this Paul - though most of it may seem like common sense, I just guess it isn't that common.

    I made a thread that was moved to the SEO sub forum and after reading this post, I am grateful that it was moved, instead of simply being deleted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Paul, where shall I post rants? I don't want to post them in the wrong section.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Thomas,
        Paul, where shall I post rants? I don't want to post them in the wrong section.
        I would suggest that most elite and exclusive section of all... Your blog.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          This one is more for the folks who are new to online discussion. It's simple, but not always obvious.

          Choose your thread titles carefully.

          If you post something vague and meaningless, like "Help" or "I have a problem," you're going to get a fairly random selection of people reading your post. Wheoever's curious, but that will usually be it, unless the thread catches fire for some reason. If that happens, it usually won't be the reason you wanted.

          A more descriptive title will get the attention of people who have the knowledge you need, which will get you (and the other members who may have the same question), better answers, more quickly.

          For example, if you're having problems with a Wordpress plugin, the title "Help!" is useless. "Help with WP plugin" is better. Help with BuddyPress for WP" is perfect. It's likely to get the attention of people who've used that particular bit of code. They're the ones best able to answer your question.

          Combine this with posting in the proper forum sections, and you'll get a lot more out of your forum time.

          This is not just a practical matter for people seeking information. It's also a matter of courtesy toward the other members. Some people will open threads with vague titles, to see if it's something they can help with. When they can't, which will be the case more often than not, they've just wasted time which could have been better spent elsewhere.

          A side note to more experienced members: You know better. Posting threads with vague titles when you've been here for a while just tells the rest of the members that you don't care enough to consider their time. That is, in a word, rude.

          To the folks who think it's clever to write sensationalist thread titles to get attention for a post that has little to do with said title: Don't. This is a discussion forum. It is not your personal copywriting lab, and we are not a group of test subjects for your marketing efforts.


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          • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Choose your thread titles carefully.

            Paul
            I can vouch for this. Allen almost banned me for using a spammy looking title, but recognized my username (which was lucky for me).

            So as Paul says; come up with titles that plainly speak about what your post is about, and put some effort into your post.
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          • Profile picture of the author azmanar
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


            A side note to more experienced members: You know better. Posting threads with vague titles when you've been here for a while just tells the rest of the members that you don't care enough to consider their time. That is, in a word, rude.

            To the folks who think it's clever to write sensationalist thread titles to get attention for a post that has little to do with said title: Don't. This is a discussion forum. It is not your personal copywriting lab, and we are not a group of test subjects for your marketing efforts.

            Paul
            Thank you very much for highlighting this.

            I got sucked in a number of times to such threads and really regret the
            time wasted. I know I can get out in a split second. But the titles are deceptive.
            Felt like I have been fooled. It's not nice.
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    Hello, I do have to ask now why a 5 star thread of mine just got closed for what reason please? It was my first effort and wonder what the heck was wrong with it? No affiliate links, no affiliate promotions. A whole page deleted and then closed. I did not see a pm from a mod with a reason, and I looked a long time before creation for any rules that I needed to follow. With that much effort I would think that the value that folks reported would be seen by the mods before just closing it. Thank you for the understanding of my being perplexed and frustrated.



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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Jim Hudson View Post

      Hello, I do have to ask now why a 5 star thread of mine just got closed for what reason please? It was my first effort and wonder what the heck was wrong with it? No affiliate links, no affiliate promotions. A whole page deleted and then closed. I did not see a pm from a mod with a reason, and I looked a long time before creation for any rules that I needed to follow. With that much effort I would think that the value that folks reported would be seen by the mods before just closing it. Thank you for the understanding of my being perplexed and frustrated.



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      Jim,

      Was it closed or was it moved to the 'articles' forum?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Jim,

        It was closed, not deleted. The reason is simple: It had turned into a "follow me" thread. Basically, those are ongoing progress reports that tend to expand and take up too many slots on the front page. You can always add updates to your WF blog, for those who want to follow your progress.

        The "whole page" that was deleted consistend of 3 posts that added nothing of value and one status update from you.
        I did not see a pm from a mod with a reason
        You usually won't. Want to guess how many posts I've deleted today? Want to guess how many of the people whose posts got deleted would argue with me forever about why their posts should be treated differently than anyone else's?

        This isn't a business for any of the moderators. We have things to do that have nothing to do with this forum. Hence, limited time. Do you want us to spend it teaching grown-ups things they can figure out for themselves and arguing with people who think they're somehow exempt from the rules, or should we spend it keeping out the spam and trolls and irrelevant dross?

        Rhetorical question, by the way. That decision was made long ago.


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        • Profile picture of the author kayden57
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Jim,

          It was closed, not deleted. The reason is simple: It had turned into a "follow me" thread. Basically, those are ongoing progress reports that tend to expand and take up too many slots on the front page. You can always add updates to your WF blog, for those who want to follow your progress.

          The "whole page" that was deleted consistend of 3 posts that added nothing of value and one status update from you.You usually won't. Want to guess how many posts I've deleted today? Want to guess how many of the people whose posts got deleted would argue with me forever about why their posts should be treated differently than anyone else's?

          This isn't a business for any of the moderators. We have things to do that have nothing to do with this forum. Hence, limited time. Do you want us to spend it teaching grown-ups things they can figure out for themselves and arguing with people who think they're somehow exempt from the rules, or should we spend it keeping out the spam and trolls and irrelevant dross?

          Rhetorical question, by the way. That decision was made long ago.


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          "Follow me" threads are often the most educational, and deleting them or closing them only hurts the WF members. Take that into consideration the next time you take it upon yourself to act without considering the benefits to the WF members.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by kayden57 View Post

            "Follow me" threads are often the most educational, and deleting them or closing them only hurts the WF members. Take that into consideration the next time you take it upon yourself to act without considering the benefits to the WF members.
            You must be new here...

            Follow me threads in the past have allowed the OP to continually take up valuable real estate here without adding any additional substance, and nine times out of ten they were crap posts to begin with.

            Jim Hudson's was the exception to the rule.

            And since you're new here and don't seem to have a clue about the forum dynamics here perhaps you should 'take that into consideration the next time you take it upon yourself to act without considering the benefits to the WF members'.

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Honestly, I understand why many posts are deleted, but I don't like how it seems that a lot of posts dealing with reviews of WSO's are deleted if they are negative.
          Posts are deleted from WSO threads if they're negative and come from people who haven't bought the product, or are persistent and excessive in repeating their objections. Otherwise they're left, right along with the positive comments.

          Read the WSO section rules. They're pretty simple.


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        • Profile picture of the author globalpro
          To me, this...

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          This isn't a business for any of the moderators. We have things to do that have nothing to do with this forum. Hence, limited time. Do you want us to spend it teaching grown-ups things they can figure out for themselves and arguing with people who think they're somehow exempt from the rules, or should we spend it keeping out the spam and trolls and irrelevant dross?
          is the biggest problem I keep seeing on the forum. Paul posted a thread about posting in the right forum (I think it needs to be a sticky) and yet people still post on the main forum with posts that don't belong. Just take a look at the threads that get moved.

          It's annoying to me to see people post with a sense of entitlement that the rules don't apply to them and that the mods have to deal with this on a daily basis.

          I do commend Paul on the approach he took to the SEO/backlinks/whatever questions on the main forum with closing it and leaving a comment about posting where it belongs...

          and yet I still see people not 'getting it'.

          Maybe a 'time-out' (temporary ban) would help...

          Nah, that wouldn't work. The ones that don't 'get it' would come back wanting to know why they were banned.

          I do know that at this point, having to rehash this over and over really diminishes the enjoyment of coming here.

          Oh well, if nothing else, getting this off my chest has made me feel better.

          Thanks,

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          • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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            Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

            people still post on the main forum with posts that don't belong. Just take a look at the threads that get moved.
            I don't see that changing all the while they've got mods to move it for them
            and attach a great big arrow to their posts.

            I think those threads need to vanish without trace along with the posters.
            There is the odd person that makes a mistake and posts in the wrong forum.
            But the majority know exactly what they are doing, as you see the same old names over and over.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Jim Hudson View Post

      Hello, I do have to ask now why a 5 star thread of mine just got closed for what reason please? It was my first effort and wonder what the heck was wrong with it? No affiliate links, no affiliate promotions. A whole page deleted and then closed. I did not see a pm from a mod with a reason, and I looked a long time before creation for any rules that I needed to follow. With that much effort I would think that the value that folks reported would be seen by the mods before just closing it. Thank you for the understanding of my being perplexed and frustrated.


      Jim

      If I have invested any amount of time creating a thread, the first thing I do after creating it is to hit the File - Save As, in order to ensure that even if the thread is deleted, that work will not have gone to waste.

      Threads get deleted all the time, and often times, the deletions have nothing to do with the original post, but some of the dimwit flame wars that get started within a thread. LOL


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  • Profile picture of the author kayden57
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    Honestly, I understand why many posts are deleted, but I don't like how it seems that a lot of posts dealing with reviews of WSO's are deleted if they are negative.

    Also, I've noticed that many posts that are negative about hyped out, blown out Clickbank products (especially that "auto-click" junk software) get deleted.

    I'm sorry, but I don't think there is anythign wrong with having an opinion, and if you think that a product sucks, you should be able to let others know hopw you feel because they can always judge for themselves.

    I like this forum a lot, but it does have a reputation as being somewhat biased and very easy to get banned if the mods don't agree with you, which is wrong.

    Of course, I know many of you are going to come back at me with that "you don't own the forum, so you are at the whim of them mods" BS, but that is still no excuse to affect the flow of opinions on products.

    It's not right that the WF can make a crappy WSO look good by only allowing the good feedback to stay posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Bill,
    Jim Hudson's was the exception to the rule.
    True. It was, which is why it wasn't deleted outright.


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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Know what I think is sad...that we even need a thread like this in the first
      place.

      Sometimes, I watch the behavior here and it reminds me of high school kids,
      especially the ones that go to my wife's school.

      Here's a novel concept, and I wish I had thought of it.

      1. Read the forum rules.

      2. Observe the different sub sections of the forum.

      3. Post in the right place.

      4. If a thread gets deleted, suck it up and get on with your life. I've had
      almost as many posts deleted here as some people have posts that have
      remained. It's a post folks. It's not life and death.

      5. Don't act like my wife's students.

      If we all did this, guess what?

      The mods here would probably have very little to do. At the very least, a
      lot less than they have now.

      My 2 cents for whatever they're worth.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Know what I think is sad...that we even need a thread like this in the first place.

        Sometimes, I watch the behavior here and it reminds me of high school kids, especially the ones that go to my wife's school.

        High School? Are you kidding? Really?

        Try Junior High School. :p
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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Bill,True. It was, which is why it wasn't deleted outright.


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      Thank you sir, would you folks consider moving the thread to say..adsense and reopen? I did put a lot of work into what I intended as a how I did it type of thread and not a follow me, whatever that is.

      It has a lot to offer if you had time to consider this request.

      Thanks Paul,

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      • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
        Good move paul.

        It was time someone highlighted these rules, since there were people who did create accounts just to spam the board with senseless"I want domain and hosting"posts and such posts really stop not contribute much to the forum.

        Spammers, stay away!
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  • Profile picture of the author ocd
    Well, since I'm dumb enough NOT to know...what does a high post count get me? I didn't know anyone was actually concerned about their post count.

    Maybe that's not really the issue Paul is trying to convey here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by ocd View Post

      Well, since I'm dumb enough NOT to know...what does a high post count get me? I didn't know anyone was actually concerned about their post count.

      Maybe that's not really the issue Paul is trying to convey here.
      Post count means nothing. I'm addressing the people who get annoyed when their posts or threads get deleted.

      The folks who lose a bunch all at once should consider that a sign that their posts aren't seen as anything more than pointless one-liners. Those people should adjust their posting habits.


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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        The folks who lose a bunch all at once should consider that a sign that their posts aren't seen as anything more than pointless one-liners. Those people should adjust their posting habits.


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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by ocd View Post

      Well, since I'm dumb enough NOT to know...what does a high post count get me? I didn't know anyone was actually concerned about their post count.
      ocd,

      Bill Platt is only one here that appears to be overly concerned about post count at the moment.

      Where does he find the time...

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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        ocd,

        Bill Platt is only one here that appears to be overly concerned about post count at the moment.

        Where does he find the time...

        ~Bill

        OCD? Maybe... LOL

        Concerned about post count? Not exactly... :p

        I come here for therapy for my inability to stay focused and on task... Unfortunately, I have needed more therapy as of late...
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    Jim's thread was one of the few that I had bookmarked. Going to miss it but I guess that's the way it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneM686
    I'm glad this was said.. it was annoying to come here and sift through thousands of posts to find one or two good ones. The best way to find them was by sorting by star rating though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by ShaneM686 View Post

      I'm glad this was said.. it was annoying to come here and sift through thousands of posts to find one or two good ones. The best way to find them was by sorting by star rating though.
      Really? I rarely rate a thread or notice star ratings, unless it's pointed out to me. Are the stars used a lot here, more than I realized?
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Really? I rarely rate a thread or notice star ratings, unless it's pointed out to me. Are the stars used a lot here, more than I realized?
        Quite. Didn't you know the "Offline Services" thread has 46 5 star ratings? Sorting by the count of votes of stars is a great way to find good threads.

        Of course, you miss a lot of good threads doing this, because like you, most warriors don't use the star voting feature.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

          Of course, you miss a lot of good threads doing this, because like you, most warriors don't use the star voting feature.
          If most of us don't use the star rating does that mean it's really effective?

          Not being rude, just I've never paid that much attention, I just look at threads and see if they interest me or are relevant to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            If most of us don't use the star rating does that mean it's really effective.

            Not being rude, just I've never paid that much attention, I just look at threads and see if they interest me.
            This is true, Richard. This forum caters to a wide range of interests in IM, and obviously one is under no compulsion to read anything just because it is rated highly, as one may have no expertise and/or interest in the thread's topic.

            I have a feeling very few people take advantage of this rating feature, and ultimately relying on a relevant and compelling title is what's really crucial in getting people to visit a thread.

            What makes this forum so great is that there is something here for just about anyone.

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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Hi Paul,

              Hope you're well sir. Yes indeed. If I like a thread a lot or if the OP has done a great job making it, I tend to use the thanks button.

              Like you say though, some people search by stars and others by relevance and others by, well, whatever they like. (Some people don't even search, they just pop silly irrelevant one liners in every thread and get deleted )

              That indeed, is the great thing about this forum.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                By the way... Folks are reporting sig files for having 6 lines. Before you do that, check to see if the person using 6 lines is a War Room member. They're allowed the extra.
                Shazam! See, that's why I read threads like this. There seems to always be something to learn. I didn't know I could have 6 lines. Not that I'm using five right now anyway. Maybe I need to go to Signature File School or sumpthin.

                And yes, I turned my signature OFF for this post so folks didn't think I posted the above comment to get my signature seen.

                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Sometimes, I watch the behavior here and it reminds me of high school kids,
                especially the ones that go to my wife's school.
                I would have suggested it's because there are a lot of teens here, but the ones I know of are well-behaved for the most part. Makes one wonder, a little bit...
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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                Hi Paul,

                Hope you're well sir. Yes indeed. If I like a thread a lot or if the OP has done a great job making it, I tend to use the thanks button.

                Like you say though, some people search by stars and others by relevance and others by, well, whatever they like. (Some people don't even search, they just pop silly irrelevant one liners in every thread and get deleted )

                That indeed, is the great thing about this forum.
                Thanks for the concern - I'm doing well, and it's great to see you back on here (you seemed to have gone AWOL for a while )

                I tend to do the same thing as well, and hesitate mainly out of courtesy to rate a thread, because I realize that my interests may not necessarily be the same as the popular/mainstream ones here.

                While the starred threads do elicit more interest mainly due to the fact that they stick out more, I probably won't click on them unless the title grabs my attention and interest first.

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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  paulie888 - I'm doing well, and it's great to see you back on here (you seemed to have gone AWOL for a while )
                  No I've been here, we must have been missing each other, either that or my posts have disappeared!

                  I probably won't click on them unless the title grabs my attention and interest first.
                  I must admit the more I think about it they do attract my attention but I have seen one recently, with 5 stars that always stands out because of it but the title's of no interest to me. Perhaps I ought to take a look and learn something
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                  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                    No I've been here, we must have been missing each other, either that or my posts have disappeared!



                    I must admit the more I think about it they do attract my attention but I have seen one recently, with 5 stars that always stands out because of it but the title's of no interest to me. Perhaps I ought to take a look and learn something
                    Richard, perhaps your posts are disappearing in some of the more controversial threads that seem to be getting deleted on a regular basis?

                    Well, I think you shouldn't be obliged to visit a thread just because it has 5 stars - but I suppose it won't do any lasting harm, especially if your curiosity's getting the better of you.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                      Richard, perhaps your posts are disappearing in some of the more controversial threads that seem to be getting deleted on a regular basis?
                      Well first of all, if my posts vanish, that's fine. Paul and Co. have a job to do and I certainly don't expect any explanation.

                      I do have a tendency, sometimes, to go to some of the controversial threads and I'm no angel at times. I do however keep to the rules and I'm aware my conduct hasn't been exemplary at times. I do try and remedy that. I also agree with you, I think that's where most of my "vanished" posts have gone, though as I've said, that's fine anyway.

                      Personally I think if everyone just read the rules and behaved in a good manner (of which I do admit, I'm guilty of not doing at times) there would be no need for these posts, having said that, what we see on a daily basis is no doubt a drop in the ocean, compared to the c*** the mods have to put up with daily.

                      What time is it where you are now Paul? By my guesstimation it must be 4.30am?
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                      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                        Well first of all, if my posts vanish, that's fine. Paul and Co. have a job to do and I certainly don't expect any explanation.

                        I do have a tendency, sometimes, to go to some of the controversial threads and I'm no angel at times. I do however keep to the rules and I'm aware my conduct hasn't been exemplary at times. I do try and remedy that. I also agree with you, I think that's where most of my "vanished" posts have gone, though as I've said, that's fine anyway.

                        Personally I think if everyone just read the rules and behaved in a good manner (of which I do admit, I'm guilty of not doing at times) there would be no need for these posts, having said that, what we see on a daily basis is no doubt a drop in the ocean, compared to the c*** the mods have to put up with daily.

                        What time is it where you are now Paul? By my guesstimation it must be 4.30am?

                        Richard, no worries - we all are aware of what can happen to some of these more controversial threads, and the temptation to post in them is almost irresistible (yes, I'm admitting I share the same fatal attraction to them as you do).

                        Hopefully threads like this one will serve as a stern warning to the "one-liner" group to clean up their act and actually add value to what they post.

                        I must have missed your last post, and went to bed before I could reply. It was probably close to 5 o'clock - IM has afforded me the privilege of keeping pretty strange hours. I've always been a night owl, and IM has allowed me to indulge in this even more; this is why you see me and Bill lurking around here at unearthly times of the night/morning.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                          I must have missed your last post, and went to bed before I could reply. It was probably close to 5 o'clock - IM has afforded me the privilege of keeping pretty strange hours. I've always been a night owl, and IM has allowed me to indulge in this even more; this is why you see me and Bill lurking around here at unearthly times of the night/morning.
                          Indeed.

                          I always start the day and see you two around and think nothing of it. Then my brain kicks in and I realise you guys are in the States and you're 6 hours behind!

                          Still each to there own and it's nice to see you both when I get started.
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                          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                            Indeed.

                            I always start the day and see you two around and think nothing of it. Then my brain kicks in and I realise you guys are in the States and you're 6 hours behind!

                            Still each to there own and it's nice to see you both when I get started.
                            You must be a morning person then, judging from the early hours that you keep. I'm almost never functioning wholly before noon, or at least it seems that way ever since I started doing IM full time.

                            It's hard to imagine that you're up and about, and posting in here by about 10 am, judging from the time you typically make your appearance in here!
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                              I answered for advice - nobody replied so I posted a few sources I found in the meantime -
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    As an ex serial ' post getting moved' or deleted warrior here are my thoughts.

    If your post is deleted or moved be thankful, most times the mods are in fact doing you a favor.

    I find it very difficult to start a thread in the main forum, and know it is 100% in the right forum. My new rule of thumb is if in doubt don't start a thread. There are so many good threads to read and contribute to that I am non the poorer.

    Paul,

    You once told me that moderation is like a see saw, and you ensure that the forum does not tilt too far either way. Seeing what you guys have to deal with everyday all I can say is bravo.

    Thanks mods, you guys are the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Paul

    I do have one question , Where does a person who wish to find out about problem on Videos put there thread up?

    I have put a thread asking about this and I had not one answer to this , we have a lot Warriors you are doing or using videos for there website, bolg,product etc etc
    but we have not sub forum for this

    More then likley I know what may or may not be answer lol

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jason,

      We've had a lot of questions about a video sub-forum. That's one of the few I'd actually think makes sense, since the tech part would be useless to anyone not doing video work. That's a suggestion that would need to be made to Allen, though. I don't make those decisions.

      For now, I would think most of them would go in main discussion, unless they're specifically about the look of the page (web site design) or optimizing the text components for the SEs (SEO).


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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

    About people bumping old posts....

    Why is that such a problem? When a person usually asks a question, most of the people replying just tell that person to search for it (which is stupid, to me). If 7/10 people are gonna tell you to "search for it," then why are people being penalized for searching and finding old threads on a certain topic?
    Hi LD,

    I normally try to help them personally unless it's something I saw better answered by someone else in a thread I saw but can't remember what the thread was called etc.

    One thing I did see that may help with this, especially if they can't find it in the Warrior search function is to Google "Warrior forum:whatever they want to find". I've been doing this when trying to find threads and as the forums posts are indexed so well, it seems to work better, for me anyway.

    As for bumping the threads only Paul and the others can answer that but when a popular thread thats been dead for a while and someone comes along with a "Thanks for the share" type of comment, blatantly link spamming or getting an affiliate link in, I see no harm and encourage deletion of these posts. They waste my time, everyone else's time and are no use whatsoever....and they're against the rules anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    LD,
    About people bumping old posts....

    Why is that such a problem?
    It isn't always a problem. It depends on how old the thread is and whether they add any value to it.

    We get a lot of people bumping old threads with nonsense posts, often intended only to boost post count or stir up old arguments. Those are not welcome. We also occasionally get people doing the search and then just posting to the thread without having read it. This usually ends up with a question being asked or comment made that's already been addressed in the thread. Also not helpful. Yet another problem is people pulling up 2-year old posts that contain info that's no longer accurate. That starts a whole other kind of discussion that's not productive.

    If it's a few months old and they add something that significantly improves the value of the thread, it's not going to be considered an issue that needs handling. But those are very few and far between.


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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

    About people bumping old posts....

    Why is that such a problem?
    Depends on why they are bumping. A lot of times, it is people posting one liners trying to get their sig shown. I haven't seen too many people complain about an older post being bumped if they added a valuable comment or question.


    When a person usually asks a question, most of the people replying just tell that person to search for it (which is stupid, to me). If 7/10 people are gonna tell you to "search for it," then why are people being penalized for searching and finding old threads on a certain topic?
    I see you are still making up stats.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

      Dude...
      What is your obsession with me? Seriously....

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      LD,
      What is your obsession with me? Seriously....
      I think it's because you've said so many truly outrageous, insulting, and obnoxious things in the past that it colors how people read the reasonable questions. Like the "If 7/10..." one, which I interpreted as an example to make a point, not a statement of fact.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        LD,I think it's because you've said so many truly outrageous, insulting, and obnoxious things in the past that it colors how people read the reasonable questions. Like the "If 7/10..." one, which I interpreted as an example to make a point, not a statement of fact.


        Paul
        I was actually talking about this part.

        When a person usually asks a question, most of the people replying just tell that person to search for it (which is stupid, to me).
        I don't see people telling others to search on most questions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Thomas,
          I don't see people telling others to search on most questions.
          It goes in cycles. Sometimes it gets a bit over the top, but most of the time... Nope. That's not the usual response.

          There are some topics that nearly always pull that response, though. "What's the best autoresponder," for example. Long time members are so sick of that question they tend to come down a bit harder on people than they might otherwise.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

        Something is wrong with the guy. He's followed me in several different topics to troll my posts. If anything, the guy is a stalker with an obsession.

        Sorry, but I'm not into men.
        Please post all the topics I responded to you. I would like to understand what you consider a stalker. I can't see why anyone would not take you seriously.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        LD,
        Something is wrong with the guy. He's followed me in several different topics to troll my posts. If anything, the guy is a stalker with an obsession.
        More than a little over the top, but just about the usual "It's all bout me" theme.

        Thomas nearly always participates in threads about moderation policy and improving the members' experience with the forum. The fact that he may respond a bit more forcefully to your comments may just have something to do with your posting tendencies. I don't think it was called for in this case, but sometimes things build up.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bible Boy
    I may have done a one liner a time or two, but did not mean any disrespect, I am just so used to blog commenting, and I have hardly ever used forums. I know on blogs they like comments short or they say start your own blog if you have that much to say. I just didn't want to be told to start my own forum, I have been enjoying the information I have found. However, the advertisements bother me a little, I have to really dig to find useful free information on seo. I am in this for the long run and only want to succeed, I want to be a warrior for years to come. Thanks for giving the green light to talk a little more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      We all do the occasional one-liner, so don't feel that you have to add words just to avoid that. Paul is talking about the people who do that 20 to 50 times in a row, quite quickly. Those are usually people in an all fire hurry to reach the level to be able to PM, often turning out to be spammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Hammad View Post

    It is right that visitors usually post a one liners, but that does not mean they do not make any point, forums are to discuss on the main post not to post more like article under it.
    No it's not right that we "usually" post one liners at all. How can we all discuss things if we have 8 or so words to say how we feel about something?

    I agree a well thought out one liner, that makes a good point is fine but I don't think we should all suddenly start writing one liners, I also think that's specifically what the mods don't want.

    There's also a distinct middle ground between 1 line and an article, depending what you call an article, of course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I think the moderators are doing a tremendous job, anyway - and thank you all.

      Earlier today I found a curious, long post which looked like a pasted-in article, and there was also a self-serving link right at the end (i.e. technically in the post rather than in the sig-file), so I reported that, to query it, took a quick look at the poster's earlier posts and saw that they were almost all about 3 words long ("thanks for info" - you know the sort of thing), and reported one of those as well. I then tried to look at another of his earlier posts, but was too late: he and all his posts had already disappeared. That was fast enough!
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        One liners may be all that are needed if one is gifted with brevity of expression. Most are fluff; hence deletions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Alexa,

        Yep. 15 one-liners, to hit the threshold for inserting a link, and then the payoff post: An article promoting a site. That's one example of the way one-liners are used by people intent only on advertising.

        Hammad,

        Guess what? You're one of the people we would consider a spammer. Yes, your posts appear to be relevant and human-typed. Most of them add little if any value, are a single line in length, and appear to exist solely for the exposure of those links in your signature file.

        Would you keep participating if I turned off your sig file? That's what we usually do with folks who post according to that pattern. Surprisingly few of them keep posting...


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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Surprisingly few of them keep posting...

          Paul
          That just goes to show they don't even read what they just posted, just move on to the next thread and stick another one liner in.

          Probably haven't even noticed the links gone.

          Myob - One liners may be all that are needed if one is gifted with brevity of expression. Most are fluff; hence deletions.
          Brilliant and perfectly fitted into one line without a character to spare.
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Would you keep participating if I turned off your sig file?

          My wife says that I don't know when to shut up...
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


          Hammad,

          Guess what? You're one of the people we would consider a spammer. Yes, your posts appear to be relevant and human-typed. Most of them add little if any value, are a single line in length, and appear to exist solely for the exposure of those links in your signature file.

          Would you keep participating if I turned off your sig file? .........l
          Lol - you might have to. Calling him out hasn't stopped him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    blue_sky,

    If you keep bumping your own thread, it will get locked or deleted. If no-one else is commenting, deletion is the most likely.

    There are a few ongoing threads that are on the verge of being locked at this point. Some of them are very good, but they've kept getting bumped past their usefulness, and are turning into permanent "follow me" threads.


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  • Profile picture of the author newmooon
    Thanks a lot Paul, My posts also frequently being deleted. Its a serious problem to me. I will be careful later on about the posts and I am sure that from now any of my post or post reply will not be deleted.......
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    • Profile picture of the author blue_sky
      thanks Paul for the reply - I understand that its difficult to decide if someone is spamming or not - in my case I was just adding some resources I found (since nobody bothered tor reply to my post) - I thought I added some value since it took me some time to collect and research the information I posted....
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Rose,

    Done. We'll see if he keeps posting.

    blue_sky,

    Bumping isn't precisely spamming. It's more a matter of keeping the front pages open for active discussions. You may want to consider having those resources on a blog or in something accessible via your sig file.


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  • Profile picture of the author VGreg
    I create a thread called Eben Pagan vs. Steve Little, because I need an advice on different coaching programs from these gentlements and it was deleted? May I ask why? I really need an advice on this one, but because somebody has deleted it, I really don'T know how to get it. Thanks for answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      VGreg,

      Read the thread, especially the first post. That's been explained already, although in generic terms.


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      • Profile picture of the author VGreg
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        VGreg,

        Read the thread, especially the first post. That's been explained already, although in generic terms.


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        ok I see know, I thought that the review section was only for writing a review, I didn'T know that I can aske there for the recommendation as well, because in the rules it is written that there should be no personal opinions.
        Anyway thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by VGreg View Post

          ok I see know, I thought that the review section was only for writing a review, I didn'T know that I can aske there for the recommendation as well, because in the rules it is written that there should be no personal opinions.
          Anyway thanks.
          The difference is like this.

          If I go in and say I bought x product from y creator - Boy, y is an idiot and he can't code worth a dang. Y also is a lousy marketer and his emails suck. << This is getting personal and is NOT allowed.

          If I go in and say that I bought x product and x product doesn't work properly - Boy, x product just doesn't seem to do what it said on the sales page. This feature doesn't work properly and that feature has been omitted. << This is referring strictly to the product and IS allowed.

          In your case, where it is coaching, you will be walking a fine line, to be honest. It's tempting for people to come in and bash the person, not the product. With coaching, that can be hard to distinguish between the two. You might want to word it carefully, such as "if you've taken coaching with either of these two and found if valuable, please post and tell me what you found so great about it".

          That way, you'll focus on the positive right from the get-go and hopefully get opinions from people who've actually done those coaching programs. Those would be the only actual helpful points of view, after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Re: One liners ... Great thread, Good post, etc. I have always felt that was what the "Thanks" button is all about. Using it instead of posting helps reduce the thread clutter.

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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    I'm feeling a bit crabby today, so take this with a big grain of salt. Or sugar - your preference.

    When I come to the forum and see so many Wordpress posts in the main forum I'm wondering why people keep posting them there when Paul has repeatedly stated that they belong in the 'Website Design' forum.

    Same thing with silly posts asking questions about what to do when you can't sleep; posts that obviously have nothing what-so-ever to do with Internet Marketing or making money online, product reviews and the plethora spammy one-liner comments that add nothing of value to a thread or are totally irrelevant to what the OP is on about.)

    Over the past few weeks, I've been alternating between moving such posts, closing them with a note about where they belong, and outright deleting them. I am going to start slanting much more toward simply deleting them. It appears that is the most likely action to get people to pay attention.

    If you want a review of your web site design, or have a question about web site design, put it in the web site design section. If you want help with Wordpress, put it in web site design. Or, if it's a programming issue, in the programming section.
    I really appreciate the effort that the mods are making to keep the main forum from deteriorating into simply a chat board (or a Wordpress coaching forum) where anything goes.

    Perhaps a demerit point system would work - not the infraction button, but demerit points strictly awarded by the mods for posting in the wrong forum. We all do it at times, but I, for one, would learn pretty quickly NOT to stick something in the wrong forum if I knew I was going to get a tangible slap on the wrist for doing it. (And especially if those slaps add up to getting banned, etc.)

    Since Paul started this thread there is now a new approach to sticking your posts in the main forum that belong elsewhere. You simply add "My apologies if this is in the wrong forum" to the post and that makes everything okay. Not!

    Okay, scratched my 'itch. Feel better now!

    Crabby me is heading out to shovel more snow. If anyone has the addresses for any members living close to a beach in Australia, please send them to me so I can mail them truck-loads of the d*ng stuff!!!! Blah!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Val,

      One quick thing... Not all Wordpress posts belong in web design. For example, the one about comments disappearing that was posted earlier today. That wasn't design and it wasn't programming.

      One could argue that it belonged at the WP support forum, but that's another discussion.
      there is now a new approach to sticking your posts in the main forum that belong elsewhere. You simply add "My apologies if this is in the wrong forum" to the post and that makes everything okay. Not!
      Unless there's a valid reason for the confusion, which sometimes happens, that just gets them deleted.

      That's not always new, though. We've had people say that for a long time, just because they're not sure how things work. With all the other stuff that gets posted here without the disclaimer, that's not hard to understand.


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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    I offered an excerpt for a product review and then
    linked to my blog for the full review + bonus offer. My
    post was deleted.

    Don't want to "push" the forums but I don't believe
    I broke any rules by what I did. Perhaps will just post
    the full review and then leave the bonus in my signature
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels View Post

      I offered an excerpt for a product review and then
      linked to my blog for the full review + bonus offer. My
      post was deleted.

      Don't want to "push" the forums but I don't believe
      I broke any rules by what I did. Perhaps will just post
      the full review and then leave the bonus in my signature
      That's pretty much classic self-promotion and doesn't usually fly here. For one, reviews go in the review section. If it's the full review, you might get away with it there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Craig,
      I offered an excerpt for a product review and then linked to my blog for the full review + bonus offer. My post was deleted.
      You tried to sneak past the rules to get the affiliate sales. Legitimate reviews within this forum do not include an offer of bonuses for buying through your link, sir. Do that again and you'll be sneaking past some other forum's rules.

      If you're going to try stealth advertising, at least be slightly stealthy about it, eh?


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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Sounds like most of us would call that self-promotional. I didn't see it but if I had, that's how I would have reported it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels View Post

      I offered an excerpt for a product review and then linked to my blog for the full review + bonus offer. My post was deleted.
      I didn't see it, but it sounds like pretty classic promotional posting to me, using the text of a post to try to draw traffic from the forum to your blog.

      Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels View Post

      Perhaps will just post the full review and then leave the bonus in my signature
      I'd be pretty careful with that, too, if I were you. I'm sure you wouldn't want the Moderators imagining that the purpose of your post was to draw attention to your signature?!

      With 250,000+ members, just imagine what the forum would look like if people were allowed to do that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    So to confirm... Would a full review without any mention
    of bonuses (or other promotionals) actually warrant a
    valid thread (while leaving my signature intact).
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Craig,
      So to confirm... Would a full review without any mention
      of bonuses (or other promotionals) actually warrant a
      valid thread (while leaving my signature intact).
      For you? No. You don't get two bites at that apple.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        By the way, Craig... I have a sneaking suspicion that the moderator of the reviews section has seen your post (or will shortly) and will be keeping you on a rather short leash in that part of the board henceforth.

        I'd keep my head down for a while.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Originally Posted by blue_sky View Post

          Actually reading this whole tread - I dont really find this funny..I mean this is "your" board and you could do what ever you like with it but what happened to free speech?????
          What ever happened to structured conversations within areas with defined topics?

          Go into a library and start preaching loudly about some political topic, and see if you don't get escorted out. And that's public property. Go into any bar and start annoying the customers with your views on race, religion or their choice of motor vehicles, and see how long it is before one of the staff "escorts" you to the door. Start talking dirty in most restaurants, and ask the owner about "free speech" as he's having the police walk you to your (or their) car.

          Totally unfettered free speech in a forum would leave nothing but an anything goes, anywhere, by anyone, on any topic, environment. How useful do you think that would be for purposes of learning and exchanging information on marketing online?


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  • Profile picture of the author 4Frankie
    I have read a lot of the comment but Paul my question (may be a dumb one) to you would be:
    Being a newbie or a beginner is there anywhere we can go to get in the swing of this and learn the art of forums.
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      Francie,
      I have read a lot of the comment but Paul my question (may be a dumb one) to you would be: Being a newbie or a beginner is there anywhere we can go to get in the swing of this and learn the art of forums.
      The tried and true way is the same now as it's been in electronic fora for 20+ years: Hang out a while, and watch how things are done.

      Read the stickies at the top of the main section about the rules and "Being a better member moderator." Unfortunately, though, there is no "magic book." Like any established group, this place has a culture of its own, and it's not all obvious or easily explained. You'll find this to be true of any forum, in fact.


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  • Profile picture of the author Jouvan Johnson
    Oh wow this makes a lot of sense but by one liners are you saying I should not post something like "thank you that really helped me"?

    But what if I want to let the thread creator know what they wrote benefited me but I have nothing useful to add to the thread :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Jouvan Johnson View Post

      But what if I want to let the thread creator know what they wrote benefited me but I have nothing useful to add to the thread :confused:
      The "Thanks" button is your friend.


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      That is why there is a "thanks" button!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      Originally Posted by Jouvan Johnson View Post

      But what if I want to let the thread creator know what they wrote benefited me but I have nothing useful to add to the thread :confused:
      Jouvan,

      Just to let you know that a "Thanks" button is present
      within every other users post in the bottom right-hand
      corner.

      (The 4 buttons are "Quote", Multiquote", "Quick Reply"
      and "Thanks" for posts by other users and "Edit"
      "Quote", "Multiquote", and "QuickReply" for your own
      posts).

      By the way, I think it would be a good idea to make
      this thread a sticky.

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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by Jouvan Johnson View Post

      Oh wow this makes a lot of sense but by one liners are you saying I should not post something like "thank you that really helped me"?

      But what if I want to let the thread creator know what they wrote benefited me but I have nothing useful to add to the thread :confused:
      Sure, the thanks button, or you could say HOW the post is going to benefit you, or something like that. Also, it's not ONE one-liner that's the problem, it's the people who register on the forum and then spam their sig everywhere, posting 50 one-liners in the space of an hour with nothing much to contribute. It's obvious what THEIR intentions are - I report several of those a day and I know the mods are very quick to act on those.

      By the way, other members should look out for these - sometimes I notice the person has been doing this for the best part of a day and nobody has noticed. It seems maybe many are not aware of this problem. The tell-tale signs of such a member are:

      - recently registered (relatively low post count)
      - 'keyword-rich' signature
      - a one-liner which adds nothing to a discussion you have been taking part in, or bumps an ancient thread
      - when you click on 'see recent posts by XXXX' (you should always do this if suspicious) you will see they have posted dozens of similar posts, one minute after the next.

      There is no question in my mind what their aim is, and I believe the mods generally have the same opinion - we don't want them around so report them and they disappear.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        There is no question in my mind what their aim is, and I believe the mods generally have the same opinion - we don't want them around so report them and they disappear.
        We delete hundreds of those every day. Yes, you should report them.


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  • Profile picture of the author akif
    i Like to Post a Thank note here ?

    Okay its not a One Liner Thank you note

    Ohh i Forgot to say Thanks for this useful Post Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by akif View Post

      i Like to Post a Thank note here ?

      Okay its not a One Liner Thank you note

      Ohh i Forgot to say Thanks for this useful Post Paul
      As was mentioned a few posts above yours, there is a very useful button titled "Thanks". Use that when you have nothing more to contribute to a thread, rather than simply saying thank you in a post. That button appears after only five posts so you definitely can see it by now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by FogHorn View Post

      Pay attention people, this happens all the time here so if you want to avoid "Pissing Off" the people who keep this place clean PLEASE make sure your post is in the right category !!! It really does save them one hell of a lot of work :-)
      Hi Foghorn,

      You must be running the show around here now.

      By the way, whilst you're telling everyone about right and wrong, you may want to remove the affiliate link from your signature, that's against the rules too, that way you won't p*** off the people here, that keep the place clean and it'll save them a hell of a lot of work.

      George Brown will be very happy you're promoting Google Sniper though.
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  • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
    Glad i found this it has defiantly made me more aware on posting habits and thats always a good thing.

    But i do have to ask, I have just had a thread deleted that i believed to not be breaking any rules. Saying that there must have been something wrong in the mods eyes to delete it, I had no reference to product promotion or any affiliate links.

    The thread was a detailed guide on how i first started to make money online it was titled "How i made my first money online - Exact system"
    It had positive feedback and i feel was giving newbies a great deal of value.

    I do not want to be seen as complaining I have had threads deleted before, but this one has stumped me a bit guess im now more curious :confused:

    On what i have read so far might have been seen as self promoting or maybe a follow me thread, although that was not it's intentions

    Anyways great thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mike,
      I do not want to be seen as complaining I have had threads deleted before, but this one has stumped me a bit guess im now more curious
      It was reported as being in the wrong forum. Suggested relocation: offline marketing. I read it and decided it was too much like an article.


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      • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Mike,It was reported as being in the wrong forum. Suggested relocation: offline marketing. I read it and decided it was too much like an article.


        Paul
        Thanks Paul for clearing this up for me, now i think about it the offline forum would of been more suited to the methods it was giving. Never mind

        Thanks

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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Mike,It was reported as being in the wrong forum. Suggested relocation: offline marketing. I read it and decided it was too much like an article.


        Paul

        People have to be careful with stuff like this... I should know...

        Articles have their own sub-forum too... Articles

        Have we figured out yet what the real definition of "an article" is, as far as the forum is concerned?

        Sometimes I think that people say my stuff reads like an article, because I am a known article marketer...
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          People have to be careful with stuff like this... I should know...

          Articles have their own sub-forum too... Articles

          Have we figured out yet what the real definition of "an article" is, as far as the forum is concerned?

          Sometimes I think that people say my stuff reads like an article, because I am a known article marketer...
          Bill, all the new subforums popping up will serve to keep us on our toes - I wasn't even aware that Articles had its own dedicated subforum! While this change may be disconcerting initially, I do think it's for the greater good overall, as it'll make it much easier to find specific threads by category now.

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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Have we figured out yet what the real definition of "an article" is, as far as the forum is concerned?
          To the best of my ability to discern, it comes down to something SORT OF like this...

          1. Starts a new thread.

          2. Does not encourage discussion.

          3. Consists primarily of factual information.

          4. Is of significant length for no good reason.

          Like, for example, let's say you made a post about Google's latest algorithm change.

          If your post started like this:

          "I've been a little worried about Google's latest algorithm change, because I'm not exactly sure who it affects - so I've been looking at what the changes are and exactly what they do."

          That's probably not an article.

          On the other hand, if your post started like this:

          "You may be wondering who is affected by the latest Google change in their algorithm. It may even be worrying you a little. So let's take a look at what this change is and precisely what it does."

          That looks like an article.

          Especially if it is 500 words long and appears to have a 3% keyword density for the phrase "latest Google change"
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            To the best of my ability to discern, it comes down to something SORT OF like this...

            1. Starts a new thread.

            2. Does not encourage discussion.

            3. Consists primarily of factual information.

            4. Is of significant length for no good reason.

            Like, for example, let's say you made a post about Google's latest algorithm change.

            If your post started like this:

            "I've been a little worried about Google's latest algorithm change, because I'm not exactly sure who it affects - so I've been looking at what the changes are and exactly what they do."

            That's probably not an article.

            On the other hand, if your post started like this:

            "You may be wondering who is affected by the latest Google change in their algorithm. It may even be worrying you a little. So let's take a look at what this change is and precisely what it does."

            That looks like an article.

            Especially if it is 500 words long and appears to have a 3% keyword density for the phrase "latest Google change"

            Your assessment mirrors the feeling that I have come to believe is the case.

            If you ask a question, you are in great shape.

            If you answer a common concern with an opinion or even, god forbid, observations or facts, then you are walking on thin ice.

            Bottom Line: Thread starters should be reserved for newbie questions, even if those questions have been asked and answered thousands of times before.

            Ask not what you can give the forum; instead ask what questions deserve an answer.

            Pushing it a bit, we might even suggest...

            Don't offer your fellow forum members the opportunity to expand their thinking, unless first they have proven that they don't yet know how to decide an issue... :p



            p.s. The ironic thing in what you said is that articles don't encourage discussion.

            The truth is that articles in the WF do not permit discussion. Allen was willing to consider my viewpoint on this, but the "article marketers" who wanted the Articles sub-forum won the majority viewpoint.

            Those other "article marketers" wanted a podium, rather than a discussion platform. Personally, I still think that an interactive Articles forum would have been much more preferable to the podium. The podium offers eyeballs, but feedback on those articles in my mind would have offered many more eyeballs.

            Of course, I was in the minority in my view... Go figure...
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
      Originally Posted by mike gregory View Post

      Glad i found this it has defiantly made me more aware on posting habits and thats always a good thing.

      But i do have to ask, I have just had a thread deleted that i believed to not be breaking any rules. Saying that there must have been something wrong in the mods eyes to delete it, I had no reference to product promotion or any affiliate links.
      The thing is, just don't take it personally. As far as I can recall just about every thread I've ever started has been deleted. So, I stopped starting threads and removed my sig. Problem solved. I even hesitate at times to post because I don't want to get an otherwise good thread deleted.

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      • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
        Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

        The thing is, just don't take it personally. As far as I can recall just about every thread I've ever started has been deleted. So, I stopped starting threads and removed my sig. Problem solved. I even hesitate at times to post because I don't want to get an otherwise good thread deleted.

        Thomas
        Every thread

        I never take i personally i do feel that the mods do a great job in keeping the forum clean.

        I have not had many deleted those that i did where very legit reasons when i think back, but this one I'm referring to did as i say 'stump' me a little thats the reason i posted here just for a bit of info, and i got what I wanted
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    Nice and a good explanation of what was happening. A lot of mine got deleted because they actual thread got deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    A very much-needed and timely bump; there have been a ton of posts posted in the main forum today that should have been made in one of the other forums (such as SEO, PPC, etc).

    If you're new to the forum, go to the main forum page at http://www.warriorforum.com/ and make sure you're posting the appriopriate forum or your post might get deleted or moved.

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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      A very much-needed and timely bump; there have been a ton of posts posted in the main forum today that should have been made in one of the other forums (such as SEO, PPC, etc).

      If you're new to the forum, go to the main forum page at http://www.warriorforum.com/ and make sure you're posting the appriopriate forum or your post might get deleted or moved.

      RoD
      People are CONSTANTLY doing that (dozens of threads a day, usually from fairly new members) - education will NOT stop this infuriating tendency, and certainly not moving/deleting threads, only some form of filter when people are creating threads. I think vBulletin has some possibilities along those lines ("Are you SURE this forum is the right one for this topic [and NOT the SEO forum for example]?"!)

      Although a big part of my online activity is SEO I must say I get really irate when I go to the main forum and see endless posts about pagerank and backlinking. Problem is, so many people still think Internet marketing begins and ends with SEO...
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        People are CONSTANTLY doing that (dozens of threads a day, usually from fairly new members) - education will NOT stop this infuriating tendency, and certainly not moving/deleting threads, only some form of filter when people are creating threads. I think vBulletin has some possibilities along those lines ("Are you SURE this forum is the right one for this topic [and NOT the SEO forum for example]?"!)
        I think this idea is worth considering, if the forum software does indeed do something like that. I agree that I doubt it will ever stop, no matter how many times threads like this are bumped and how many Stickies there are. The most we can hope for is to put a small dent in the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Many of the people posting in the wrong sections won't be stopped by software because they do it deliberately in order to get more traffic to their post.

          Maybe mods could put some kind of note on the account in the backend and if the person keeps doing it, give them a vacation for being a pain in the ... you know what.
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          • Profile picture of the author azmanar
            Hi,

            Having "MOD responsibilities" is very stressful. Especially in popular forums. They are pretty pre-occupied with spammers, scammers, unruly forumers, as well as blockheads ( like me ) and etc .

            Are there benefits and compensations coming with it in WF? If not, how do MODs actually find time for their own bread and butter?

            Just curious.

            Or they no longer need to do anything but volunteering from white sandy beaches ( after getting their millions via passive income ).

            Selfless people always amaze me ( especially volunteers ).
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            Many of the people posting in the wrong sections won't be stopped by software because they do it deliberately in order to get more traffic to their post.

            Maybe mods could put some kind of note on the account in the backend and if the person keeps doing it, give them a vacation for being a pain in the ... you know what.

            Or the programmer can add an option for the Infraction to say, "wrong sub-forum", then those of us who don't mind getting shot at can drop some appropriate infractions when it should be highlighted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        People are CONSTANTLY doing that (dozens of threads a day, usually from fairly new members) - education will NOT stop this infuriating tendency, and certainly not moving/deleting threads, only some form of filter when people are creating threads. I think vBulletin has some possibilities along those lines ("Are you SURE this forum is the right one for this topic [and NOT the SEO forum for example]?"!)

        Although a big part of my online activity is SEO I must say I get really irate when I go to the main forum and see endless posts about pagerank and backlinking. Problem is, so many people still think Internet marketing begins and ends with SEO...
        You're right, it's still going on. Though it seems to have gotten slightly better. I think if more people just report these it will definitely put a nice dent in it. For the newbies to the forum, the way to report an improper post is to hit the red triangle underneath the person's name (lower, left-hand corner of the post).

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    If one or more of your posts have disappeared, here are the most likely reasons:

    1. Violated one or more rules. This is the one you most want to avoid.

    2. Tons of pointless one-liners. Sorry, folks, but if you come in as a new member and start posting a ton of one- or two-liners, they're going to end up being deleted. If you're new and your post count dropped a lot, fast, that's almost always the reason.

    Same with posting to a lot of old threads. One member dredged up at least a half dozen threads today from 2009, with comments that added nothing to the original discussions.

    3. Wrong section of the forum. This is getting ridiculous. We move 100 or more posts per day from main discussion into various sub-sections. I'd say that's a very conservative guesstimate, since my last 3 passes through have resulted in moving 40 or 50 in a short time. And that's just me. There are a half dozen mods handling stuff in this section.

    If you want the best answers to your questions, post them where the people hang out who focus on the topic involved.

    Over the past few weeks, I've been alternating between moving such posts, closing them with a note about where they belong, and outright deleting them. I am going to start slanting much more toward simply deleting them. It appears that is the most likely action to get people to pay attention.

    If you want a review of your web site design, or have a question about web site design, put it in the web site design section. If you want help with Wordpress, put it in web site design. Or, if it's a programming issue, in the programming section.

    If you want a review of your sales copy, put it in the copywriting section.

    Posts relating to CPA that are posted in main discussion will simply be deleted. The majority of those are fakes, designed to get attention for specific programs. Speaking of which, I'd be very careful about believing most of the reviews of programs in that section of the board. It's rife with shills.

    Cleaning that section out without nuking every person associated directly with a company would take two weeks, doing nothing else. Yeah. It's that bad.

    You've been warned.

    Product reviews belong in the reviews section. If you don't have enough posts to put one in there, wait until you do. There's a reason for that limit.

    Note: Support questions about products are not reviews, and do not belong in the review section. A LOT of people are confused about this. The first place for a support question is (surprise!) the merchant's support forum or mailbox. Not the Warrior Forum.

    If you must ask here, do it in the section most relevant to the product in question.

    The SEO stuff is absolutely the worst. Questions about backlinks, page rank, the effect of domain names on placement in the search engine results, and anything else that has to do with where a site appears in a search engine belong in the SEO section. AdSense, AdWords and PPC stuff go in the same section. (Yes, it seems odd. It's close, and it keeps us from having too many sections that are too narrowly focused.)

    Do not expect a personal explanation about why your posts were deleted. We're not going to get into 100 or more arguments per day with people who haven't read the rules and don't pay attention. Or with more experienced people who post in main discussion because it gets more eyeballs.

    If someone posts something that's in the wrong section, please point them to this thread, and then report the post. We'll probably just nuke it, but they might see the pointer before that happens.

    If you spend time answering a question that doesn't belong in the section where it's posted, don't get mad if your answer gets deleted. Wait until they post it in the right place to help them out.


    Paul
    yea, right...

    OR it could be because this stupid ass "members are moderators" policy.

    people can sign up and immediately start moderating posts that dont even break rules. its a joke.. you people make 40 dollars from each person who wants to post an advertisement, 20 for each who wants to post a WSO thread, THE LEAST you could do is moderate your own ****ing forums. this is a horrible strategy in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      OR it could be because this stupid ass "members are moderators" policy.
      Yep. Could be.
      people can sign up and immediately start moderating posts that dont even break rules.
      Posts that get reported like that are still reviewed by the moderators.
      this is a horrible strategy in my opinion.
      Which we shall all take for what it's worth, "buzz."


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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by design2convert View Post

      Surely not on the topic or have spam contents which can cause the moderators to delete it. Otherwise there is no reason to delete posts.
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Generally speaking, it's a good idea to read at least the first post in a thread before replying...
      Generally speaking, it's also a good idea to have something comprehensible to say before replying...
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

        Generally speaking, it's also a good idea to have something comprehensible to say before replying...

        ROFLMAO... You are mean!! :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by SandraElam View Post

      Thanks for this thread... it would be a great help on why my posts disappear..
      But that's your first post?? :confused:

      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Generally speaking, it's a good idea to read at least the first post in a thread before replying...
      Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

      Generally speaking, it's also a good idea to have something comprehensible to say before replying...
      Ironically his last post was...
      Yes you can get that good traffic from forum posting. But for this you have to put efforts for quality postings not to go for Spam, you will never get traffic in this way and also you time will be waste.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Why do my posts disappear?

        Because I'm my own worst nightmare moderator!

        Write a reply, look at it, analyse it, dissect it, ask myself... is there any likelihood that this is going to upset anyone or cause them distress, if so and I get even the faintest inkling that my post will do any of the above and I hit on the Edit button and delete my own post/s afterwards.

        The mods here are 'pussycats' compared to my own self-moderation. I should complain to myself more often.

        On a more serious note besides telling everyone to just soak it up if you're posts are deleted concerns a certain member who pops into mind in the Wanted - Members Looking to Hire You section of the WF...

        One member / poster there is constantly and I mean constantly replying to almost everyone's threads with nothing more than a one liner and offering very little reason why the OP should employ their services. Understandable, this is a marketing forum after all, but...

        To post the same thing or near identical comment not once, not even twice but sometimes 3 times in the same thread smacks of spam.

        And always the same comments in 50% of the threads there overall... "We can do this for you, message me directly." (Why not just PM the posters instead and sell them on actual benefits instead of just creating more and more signature spam?)

        Is this acceptable or not? And if it is, why is that?

        Seriously if everyone did this in that part of the forum it would look like a right mess. Allowing one liners in one section of the forum certainly sends out the wrong message what is acceptable or not not as the case may be, elsewhere.

        Best,


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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          And always the same comments in 50% of the threads there overall... "We can do this for you, message me directly." (Why not just PM the posters instead and sell them on actual benefits instead of just creating more and more signature spam?)

          Is this acceptable or not? And if it is, why is that?
          No - promoting your product or service through PMs is not permitted. Those can be reported, too. In fact, that is the reason free member PMs are limited.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kay,

    With the "Warriors Looking to Hire You" section, PMs may be the appropriate way to contact the person. They are asking for someone to provide a service, after all. I suppose it would depend on whether they specified a preferred contact method.

    Pete,

    Yep. I know who you're referring to, and the guy definitely gowes overboard. That's not appropriate, and is something we act on when it's reported.

    If there was a two-way exchange of info going on, that'd be fine, obviously. Part of the process. But the fellow you're talking about just pesters people, albeit mildly. I think your analogy of the kid constantly yelling "Pick me! Pick me!" was spot on.

    Probably best just to report those. Getting into a discussion with him is likely to be unproductive, and might end up in a running feud that won't help anyone.


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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    3. Wrong section of the forum. This is getting ridiculous. We move 100 or more posts per day from main discussion into various sub-sections. I'd say that's a very conservative guesstimate, since my last 3 passes through have resulted in moving 40 or 50 in a short time. And that's just me. There are a half dozen mods handling stuff in this section.

    If you want the best answers to your questions, post them where the people hang out who focus on the topic involved.

    Over the past few weeks, I've been alternating between moving such posts, closing them with a note about where they belong, and outright deleting them. I am going to start slanting much more toward simply deleting them. It appears that is the most likely action to get people to pay attention.

    If you want a review of your web site design, or have a question about web site design, put it in the web site design section. If you want help with Wordpress themes or layout, put it in web site design. Or, if it's a programming issue, in the programming section.

    If you want a review of your sales copy, put it in the copywriting section.

    Posts relating to CPA that are posted in main discussion will simply be deleted. The majority of those are fakes, designed to get attention for specific programs. Speaking of which, I'd be very careful about believing most of the reviews of programs in that section of the board. It's rife with shills.

    Cleaning that section out without nuking every person associated directly with a company would take two weeks, doing nothing else. Yeah. It's that bad.

    You've been warned.

    Product reviews belong in the reviews section. If you don't have enough posts to put one in there, wait until you do. There's a reason for that limit.

    Note: Support questions about products are not reviews, and do not belong in the review section. A LOT of people are confused about this. The first place for a support question is (surprise!) the merchant's support forum or mailbox. Not the Warrior Forum.

    If you must ask here, do it in the section most relevant to the product in question.

    The SEO stuff is absolutely the worst. Questions about backlinks, page rank, the effect of domain names on placement in the search engine results, and anything else that has to do with where a site appears in a search engine belong in the SEO section. AdSense, AdWords and PPC stuff go in the same section. (Yes, it seems odd. It's close, and it keeps us from having too many sections that are too narrowly focused.)

    Do not expect a personal explanation about why your posts were deleted. We're not going to get into 100 or more arguments per day with people who haven't read the rules and don't pay attention. Or with more experienced people who post in main discussion because it gets more eyeballs.

    If someone posts something that's in the wrong section, please point them to this thread, and then report the post. We'll probably just nuke it, but they might see the pointer before that happens.

    If you spend time answering a question that doesn't belong in the section where it's posted, don't get mad if your answer gets deleted. Wait until they post it in the right place to help them out.

    Articles belong in the articles section. Note: This section has been closed. We still do not allow articles in the discussion areas.

    Videos as thread starters are being treated as articles and being deleted. We are not going to spend the time looking at every video someone posts to make sure it's not self-promotional, despite the poster's comments about the awesome content.
    I'm bumping Paul's original thread because there are a plenty of new members coming in who probably haven't read all the rules and a few of you need a gentle reminder.

    This is also another reminder that there are about a half dozen mods as well as one or more admins who have the ability move or delete posts and threads.

    I've been seeing a lot of threads being started in Main Discussion Forum that don't belong here and should have been started in either the SEO forum, the Social Media Forum, the Product Review Forum, and the Offline Marketing forum (and a couple of others).

    So if you're thread has disappeared it was either moved or deleted. To find out what happened to your post simply go to your control panel, click on "view profile", clikc on "statistics", then click on "View all threads" or "view all posts".

    If you can't find where your post was then it was deleted.

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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Maybe a redirect to a page with posting guidelines when someone clicks to post a new thread for the first time would be helpful. If it's not too much trouble to implement.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    one thing is to not post whiney-way the way anonymous trolls do on news site articles... ever read those? wah wah wah (insert policitcal comment), wah wah

    i find it saves a lot of time to look at more active posters' comments here and just upvote/click "thanks" on occasional posts that pretty much capture how you feel about a topic, rather than write a new post, if someone else posts something close to what you'd say. really like the "thanks" button
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