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Facebook Discovery Causes Big Smiley Face!

by Colin Palfrey
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Warriors,

I have just discovered and tested whether Facebook has given us complete free reign with its Iframe fanpages. You can put whatever you want in that frame, including a flexi-width Wordpress blog

What brilliant plans have you come up with?

So far I have:
  • Funny video of the day
  • Flash game site
  • Review site (think Amazon or Ebay)
  • Niche news site
  • Niche forum
  • Sales-page
  • Branded search engines
  • An auction site
  • Swap shop
  • Put a streaming webcam in wildlife area (Wrens nest in my garden)
  • How about a Facebook Radio station?

I'm interested in your ideas so thought I'd share mine. I probably should have sat on this idea or at least made it a WSO but..eh!

Cheers,
Colin Palfrey
#big #discovery #face #facebook #smiley
  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I don't think it will be long before they start putting a whole lot of limitations on these iframes. I don't think they have thought it through properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I don't think they have thought it through properly.
      Brilliant isn't it!
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      • Profile picture of the author sallyn
        Yep I completely agree, watch facebook do a u-turn of some sort...

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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

        Brilliant isn't it!
        I might start up a new rival Facebook and iframe it inside of Facebook.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          Are there ways to get access to the viewer's details from inside the iframe?

          Eeeevil minds wanna know
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          • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
            Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

            Are there ways to get access to the viewer's details from inside the iframe?

            Eeeevil minds wanna know
            Now that is sharing the evil! Unfortunately I don't know, yet :rolleyes:

            Cheers,
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            • Profile picture of the author magman01
              Someone said Facebook is where Google was back in the early 2000s. Of course they will change things, but for now it seems like a new frontier.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe118
              Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

              Now that is sharing the evil! Unfortunately I don't know, yet :rolleyes:

              Cheers,
              Colin Palfrey
              Colin, I'm known for eeevil thought processes Have to live up to the rep ya know?
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              • Profile picture of the author Joe118
                OK so after some diggin' it's clear that the info about a logged in user is available to the website running inside a frame. I'll write a test app to see what exactly is being passed... If the facebook registration email is available, then this is ideal for phishing...

                Here's an eeeevil scenario:

                * Entice the user to a page
                * The info is available to the app, and the email gets entered into the apps DB
                * The user gets spammed

                Yes there are laws against this... but who cares really.

                Alternative (only slightly less evil) scenario:

                The app instead of entering the email into a DB, sends an email to mylist@aweber.com with the from: being the email of the user --> the user now gets a confirmation email asking them to approve their subscription. A large percentage of naive users will just click.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
                  Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

                  OK so after some diggin' it's clear that the info about a logged in user is available to the website running inside a frame. I'll write a test app to see what exactly is being passed... If the facebook registration email is available, then this is ideal for phishing...
                  Joe:

                  The e-mail is not part of the signed_request sent to the page inside the iframe. Only a limited amount of user data (in fact, only the FB profile_id) is passed to the page inside the frame.

                  You also get the page_id, whether the user "liked" the page or not, and a couple of other things, but no user information like e-mail address.

                  Now if you have a registered app inside the iframe, and the user consents, you can capture more information -- but there's quite a bit more to it than that. Still, without further user consent, all you can get is the FB Profile_ID.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
            Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

            Are there ways to get access to the viewer's details from inside the iframe?
            Introducing iframe Tabs for Pages - Facebook Developers

            When a user lands on the Facebook Page, she will see your Page Tab added in the left-hand menu. When a user selects your app in the left-hand menu, the app will receive the signed_request parameter with one additional parameter, page, a JSON array which contains the 'id' of the Facebook Page your Tab is hosted within, a boolean ('liked') indicating whether or not a user has liked the Page, and a boolean ('admin') indicating whether or not the user is an 'admin' of the Page along with the user info array. If a user has authorized your application, the signed request will also contain an access token and the user id for the current viewing user so you can personalize your application for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author InternetSuccess001
            Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

            Are there ways to get access to the viewer's details from inside the iframe?
            Actually, I believe it would be possible with client-side javascript. (It might be pretty complicated, but you could probably do it).

            As well -- iframes cause problems on some setups (i.e., it is not 100% viewable in all browsers). So unless they've accounted for that, you might have facebook pages that only load partially.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
              Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

              Actually, I believe it would be possible with client-side javascript. (It might be pretty complicated, but you could probably do it).
              Actually, it is quite easy. FB passes request data to the page using a POST operation. That data, encoded, includes things like whether the viewer has "liked" the page and the viewer's FB user ID number.

              We dropped FBML for all of our new Facebook apps and are using the iframe model and so far, receiving that data (we code in CF) is quite simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author izrafel
    Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

    WFacebook has given us complete free reign with its Iframe fanpages. You can put whatever you want in that frame, including a flexi-width Wordpress blog
    Are you serious!?! I am looking into this RIGHT NOW.... wow
    thanks for sharing, great news indeed
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  • Profile picture of the author magman01
    Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

    Warriors,

    I have just discovered and tested whether Facebook has given us complete free reign with its Iframe fanpages. You can put whatever you want in that frame, including a flexi-width Wordpress blog

    What brilliant plans have you come up with?

    So far I have:
    • Funny video of the day
    • Flash game site
    • Review site (think Amazon or Ebay)
    • Niche news site
    • Niche forum
    • One or two others

    I'm interested in your ideas so thought I'd spread the idea. I probably should have sat on this idea or at least made it a WSO but..eh!

    Cheers,
    Colin Palfrey
    I just started marketing on Facebook, and I don't know much about iframes. Does anyone have advice on the best place to learn?
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
      Originally Posted by magman01 View Post

      I just started marketing on Facebook, and I don't know much about iframes. Does anyone have advice on the best place to learn?
      I have tried lots of courses but the only one able to beat its way through my technophobia was Icun's course. http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...1006-sold.html

      Cheers,
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    nice post Colin
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    A few more ideas:

    • Sales-page
    • Branded search engines
    • An auction site
    • Swap shop
    • Put a streaming webcam in wildlife area (Wren nest in the garden)
    • How about a Facebook Radio station?

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Am I the only one that is finding that you can see a new iframe page if you are logged into the account it is loaded to, but you can't see it if you are logged into a different account?

      I believe they don't show to anyone that isn't logged in, but I can't see them if I'm logged into a different account

      I'm going bald rapidly here - tearing my hair out.

      Oh - and having added two custom iframe pages to one of my accounts, I can find one in the apps list to delete, but not the other!

      Arrrrghhhhhhhh
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    I haven't looked over this properly but am I correct in saying you can put whatever you want in these IFRAMES with no restrictions on HTML/JavaScript?

    Surely if that's the case people will use this maliciously...?!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
      Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

      I haven't looked over this properly but am I correct in saying you can put whatever you want in these IFRAMES with no restrictions on HTML/JavaScript?

      Surely if that's the case people will use this maliciously...?!!!
      Joe,

      The same could be said of the internet in general. At least on Facebook there are ways to have objectionable content removed.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Bennette
    Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

    Warriors,

    I have just discovered and tested whether Facebook has given us complete free reign with its Iframe fanpages. You can put whatever you want in that frame, including a flexi-width Wordpress blog

    What brilliant plans have you come up with?

    So far I have:
    [*] An auction site
    Hi Colin ...I have an auction client now that I'm creating a fan page for. Question...When you say auction site are you referring to linking a tab to their main site to see what items they have up for auction.

    Would you mind elaborating a bit more.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
      Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

      Hi Colin ...I have an auction client now that I'm creating a fan page for. Question...When you say auction site are you referring to linking a tab to their main site to see what items they have up for auction.

      Would you mind elaborating a bit more.

      Thanks
      Bennette,

      As the Iframe is literally just a window to another website, why not have the actual auction site fit that window. Then when the fan page pulls the website into the Iframe...TaDa!

      That would make their fan page an actual usable auction site, and I think pretty impressive to the average client.

      Imagine a fan page that had ebay effectively re sized into the fan page space. It could be a whole new level of marketing, taking place where the clients already are. Not, trying to herd them somewhere else, which of course is where the normal Facebook user starts to become reluctant.

      Cheers,
      Colin Palfrey
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      • Profile picture of the author Bennette
        Oh I'm with you now. Your suggesting taking their ebay auction pg and linking it to their fan page. So when I come to their fan page I can click a link that takes me to their online auction pg.

        Is the correct?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

          Oh I'm with you now. Your suggesting taking their ebay auction pg and linking it to their fan page. So when I come to their fan page I can click a link that takes me to their online auction pg.

          Is the correct?
          Actually, you could technically place the eBay page in the middle of their fan page -- no need to click out of FB at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bennette
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            Actually, you could technically place the eBay page in the middle of their fan page -- no need to click out of FB at all.
            Wow thanks Steven. I'm not technical and not that familiar with html but hopefully I can figure out how to get it to work. Do you have any instructions or a tutorial that I could follow.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

        Bennette,

        As the Iframe is literally just a window to another website, why not have the actual auction site fit that window. Then when the fan page pulls the website into the Iframe...TaDa!

        That would make their fan page an actual usable auction site, and I think pretty impressive to the average client.

        Imagine a fan page that had ebay effectively re sized into the fan page space. It could be a whole new level of marketing, taking place where the clients already are. Not, trying to herd them somewhere else, which of course is where the normal Facebook user starts to become reluctant.

        Cheers,
        Colin Palfrey
        Colin, this is wonderful. I already know what Iframes are, but can you ascertain what sort of limitations there are on using this presently? Is there anything perhaps in FB's TOS that limits what you can do with the Iframes?

        Cheers,
        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          Colin, this is wonderful. I already know what Iframes are, but can you ascertain what sort of limitations there are on using this presently? Is there anything perhaps in FB's TOS that limits what you can do with the Iframes?

          Cheers,
          Paul
          Paul,

          Not that I have seen. Mind you, I haven't spent too much time looking at their TOS. :rolleyes:

          It seems you simply make a website the size of the Iframe, then point at it.

          I would assume that anything to do with capturing peoples info through sneaky means is going to be frowned on, but I'm not interested in that, so haven't looked into it.

          There are plenty of legitimate options, so need to be sneaky.

          James,

          If they have been around so long, why has nobody done anything interesting with them? I am genuinely interested.

          Cheers,
          Colin Palfrey
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          • Profile picture of the author spainops
            Technophobe here !

            Could anyone explain the easiest way to incorporate a Flash swf in to an Iframe for my Business Page ?.

            Would love some help !

            Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    Bennette,

    You could have an actual auction site on the fan page. No need to click anything, simply go to the fan page, log in and bid or sell, right on the page.

    People looking at the fan page would see the auction taking place and join in, or not.

    I know nobody seems to be doing this, but that just shows you the opening in the market.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Bennette
      Wow thanks Colin and Steven for sharing your ideas. I'm meeting the client on Thursday and I know they will be blown away if I can get this set up for them.

      Thanks again

      Bennette
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    I don't think they have thought it through properly.
    Hahahaha. Facebook boffins never do think things through. That's why they have to change stuff every five minutes.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    We're writing some special entertainment apps for fan pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I've been thinking about the amount Facebook are allowing with these Iframes, and I think they have the right idea.

    Effectively you can now run your website as a fan page, and this could start a migration of normal websites into those Iframes. Instead of bookmarking a page you simply click the like button, you can then even receive updates of your favorite businesses offers.

    Now I am waiting for them to release their payment gateway (As they inevitably will), and we will really see things moving.

    To use the example we mentioned earlier, think of seeing a friends update that they have liked a niche auction page. You visit it and see the auction in place, bid yourself (before long with your Facebook CC) and carry on with your normal chat. The auction page runs a special and instead of announcing it by email, they post it on their wall. Now the wall doesn't display as the first page, but all those that have liked the page are informed.

    In case any of this sounds a little crazy I should point out that I have an evil migraine. This usually causes my mind to shoot off in strange directions, so be warned LOL

    Cheers,
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    What about MOBILE WEBSITES? Since they more than likely will be hosted on your own website and the size format probably will fit within the 520px wide frame, you can iframe your mobile website too?
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    This is something I did not know about and will have to look into.. But as has been said earlier, I believe Facebook will start adding limitations to this, but that's just my take on this
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    Thanks everyone for sharing their ideas hopefully it will also help me, i don't know much about facebook as i am using it only to be in contact with my friends and relatives but will try this in future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    FYI, to clarify: Your page can only access the FB profile_ID if the user has authorized your page as an app. Just loading the page in the iframe will pass you a few bits of generic data, including whether the user "likes" the page in which the frame is loaded.
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    Will continue reading and watching this..
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesJeffery
    If you want to be completely naughty, stick the following code in your iFrame. It will take them away from Facebook, into Google. Although it serves no real purpose because people can't like/interact with your page if you have the iframe tab set as the default landing page ... thus you can't go viral:

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<script type="text/javascript">window.location = "http://www.google.com/"</script>
    But, it's nothing new. Facebook is using iFrames because it's depreciating FBML. Meaning StaticFBML will be a thing of the past.

    I've been using iFrames for nearly 2 years to develop apps on their platform. Along with their SDK and using the graph API and open graph it's very powerful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    James is correct, iframe has been available for apps for quite some time on FB, as an alternative to FBML methodology.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    I really can't see this lasting too log. Spainops - incorporating a Flash SWF into an iFrame surely means just doing it as normal, as the iFrame is just a window onto another webpage - or are their permission issues?
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    • Profile picture of the author spainops
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      I really can't see this lasting too log. Spainops - incorporating a Flash SWF into an iFrame surely means just doing it as normal, as the iFrame is just a window onto another webpage - or are their permission issues?
      Thanks. Yes just pasted the script that I had and worked a treat

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I am just leaving an update to say I have built my first forum as an app.

    You can see the app below, though this was built just as a proof of concept, so I wont be promoting it.
    See The App

    The whole thing took just ten minutes to make, without needing any programming ability or software.

    All I did was install a Simpleress forum in a Wordpress blog, click through to the forum page and copy the URL.

    Go to facebook.com/developer/ and click to set up a new app.

    You are now asked some basic information, which all relates to where you want to point your Iframe. When you have to enter your canvas page, paste the URL you copied earlier.

    At the bottom (second field up) where you have to enter the final part of the address, enter index.php

    Dead simple and you have an app that is a forum. The same principle works for auction websites, blogs or anything else you care to put up there.

    If you need any more details I shall try to help, but tomorrow as I'm off to bed now.
    It really is very simple, though.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Ovenden
      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      I am just leaving an update to say I have built my first forum as an app.

      You can see the app below, though this was built just as a proof of concept, so I wont be promoting it.
      See The App

      The whole thing took just ten minutes to make, without needing any programming ability or software.

      All I did was install a Simpleress forum in a Wordpress blog, click through to the forum page and copy the URL.

      Go to facebook.com/developer/ and click to set up a new app.

      You are now asked some basic information, which all relates to where you want to point your Iframe. When you have to enter your canvas page, paste the URL you copied earlier.

      At the bottom (second field up) where you have to enter the final part of the address, enter index.php

      Dead simple and you have an app that is a forum. The same principle works for auction websites, blogs or anything else you care to put up there.

      If you need any more details I shall try to help, but tomorrow as I'm off to bed now.
      It really is very simple, though.

      Cheers,
      Colin Palfrey
      Colin, this is just too easy! In a matter of minutes I created a new fb app, added a wordpress site to it and then added the app to my fb page. It displays with scrollbars because it's not optimised for 520 pixels wide but nevertheless it means that fb users don't need to leave fb to view the website.

      The tab to look at is the one on the left called website.

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      Amazing!

      Thanks for pointing this out - loads of ideas going through my head right now.

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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by Dave Ovenden View Post

        Colin, this is just too easy! In a matter of minutes I created a new fb app, added a wordpress site to it and then added the app to my fb page. It displays with scrollbars because it's not optimised for 520 pixels wide but nevertheless it means that fb users don't need to leave fb to view the website.

        The tab to look at is the one on the left called website.

        Hayley Nadine Dance Academy | Facebook

        Amazing!

        Thanks for pointing this out - loads of ideas going through my head right now.

        Regards,
        Dave
        Dave,

        I totally I agree about the potential. It is amazing that everyone is making this seem harder than it needs to be.

        I just uploaded a flash game, then created an index.php file to open it inside a frame.

        Then when the page itself loads in the Iframe you have an instant game page

        Here it is BlackJackMini on Facebook

        You could then have a second frame on the page that has an opt in box etc.

        Cheers,
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    Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

    Warriors,

    I have just discovered and tested whether Facebook has given us complete free reign with its Iframe fanpages. You can put whatever you want in that frame, including a flexi-width Wordpress blog

    What brilliant plans have you come up with?

    So far I have:
    • Funny video of the day
    • Flash game site
    • Review site (think Amazon or Ebay)
    • Niche news site
    • Niche forum
    • Sales-page
    • Branded search engines
    • An auction site
    • Swap shop
    • Put a streaming webcam in wildlife area (Wrens nest in my garden)
    • How about a Facebook Radio station?

    I'm interested in your ideas so thought I'd share mine. I probably should have sat on this idea or at least made it a WSO but..eh!

    Cheers,
    Colin Palfrey
    Wow I never thought I'd see Facebook opening themselves up like this, I can't imagine Facebook sticking with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Ovenden
    I am just leaving an update to say that I have created another page but this time I optimized the wordpress theme so that it correctly fits within the facebook page dimensions.

    The benefit of this is that there are no scrollbars and the website looks totally integtrated with facebook.

    To check it out just click on 'website' on the left hand side of the page. (The welcome tab that you arrive on is an html template from Martin Crumlish's excellent Facebook Arsenal WSO).

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    What happen to the existing FBML pages?

    Can the fan page user create more FBML pages still?
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