Somebody 'steal' my $35k domain. How to avoid this in the future?

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I am very disappointed today.

2-3 days ago i found a goldmine (i think so). I found a 1 word domain available for registration !

I did search at domain registrar for dumbbells.de and it was available for registration. When I checked at estibot.com after that, the domain is worth $35k !

But i delayed the registration until today when I checked, it is just registered today !

But i dont really remember where did i check domain availability. Either domaintools.com, godaddy or moniker. It is either any of the domain registrars, or estibot sold my 'search history'.

They are very unethical. How dare they 'steal' my domain !

Anybody expert here know how can we ensure that our domain search history is safe and not shared/sold ?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I doubt you would find someone willing to pay $35k for dumbbells.de. I have seen much better domains go for a fraction of that. I wouldn't be worrying - just move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Danny McConnell
      Yeah those estimates can be way off.

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    • Profile picture of the author WealthyBoss
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I doubt you would find someone willing to pay $35k for dumbbells.de. I have seen much better domains go for a fraction of that. I wouldn't be worrying - just move on.
      Even at 5% of $35k = $1700
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by WealthyBoss View Post

        Even at 5% of $35k = $1700
        Actually it is $1750 but I still would not be worrying about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Organizationer
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          Actually it is $1750 but I still would not be worrying about it.
          $1750 is nothing? haha..i can buy 100's of interesting WSO !
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by Organizationer View Post

            $1750 is nothing? haha..i can buy 100's of interesting WSO !
            No no no. I never said $1750 is nothing. I just said it was not worth worrying about. Nothing can be done so it's best to just move on.
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            Originally Posted by Organizationer View Post

            $1750 is nothing? haha..i can buy 100's of interesting WSO !
            Find something better to spend your money on...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    look, it's always like this.

    Many times, we search for domain names and after a while when we go and try to register that domain name it's already taken away by some domain trader who wishes to sell it a high price.

    You really can't do anything about it. This happens many times when you buy a domain name on godaddy so stop whining about it and learn a lesson from it. Don't wait another day to buy a domain name. Just go and buy it the moment you find it's available.

    Until you've really purchased a domain name, it isn't your own and so every individual has a right to purchase it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Organizationer
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      look, it's always like this.

      Many times, we search for domain names and after a while when we go and try to register that domain name it's already taken away by some domain trader who wishes to sell it a high price.

      You really can't do anything about it. This happens many times when you buy a domain name on godaddy so stop whining about it and learn a lesson from it. Don't wait another day to buy a domain name. Just go and buy it the moment you find it's available.

      Until you've really purchased a domain name, it isn't your own and so every individual has a right to purchase it.
      I wonder how can i be notified by the registrars for the 'new searchers' that domainers do at their website?

      I want to register goldmine too
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    Bummer, looks like somebody who lives in Vietnam has got it, must be using an agency for the admin contact as you cannot register a .de domain without a German admin contact address.

    Next time you must buy it there and then.
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  • Profile picture of the author dezchamps
    I remember reading about a scandal a while back where one of the registrars was reserving the names you searched on, and would hold them for a few days, try to monetize them to see if they were worth anything, and then would either try to sell them in aftermarket, or put them back in the available stream.
    If you're really curious - do a whois on it and see who has it registered now.
    Estibot can make you feel real good, but the only sure sign of what a domain is worth, it what someone will pay you for it. That's the only way a domain, on it's own, will make you money.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by RichMarketer View Post

    I am very disappointed today.

    2-3 days ago i found a goldmine (i think so). I found a 1 word domain available for registration !

    I did search at domain registrar for dumbbells.de and it was available for registration. When I checked at estibot.com after that, the domain is worth $35k !

    But i delayed the registration until today when I checked, it is just registered today !

    But i dont really remember where did i check domain availability. Either domaintools.com, godaddy or moniker. It is either any of the domain registrars, or estibot sold my 'search history'.

    They are very unethical. How dare they 'steal' my domain !

    Anybody expert here know how can we ensure that our domain search history is safe and not shared/sold ?
    Anyone who finds a domain that they want and doesn't register it immediately, takes the risk that someone else will register it. You did not own the domain, therefore No One Stole it from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Anyone who finds a domain that they want and doesn't register it immediately, takes the risk that someone else will register it. You did not own the domain, therefore No One Stole it from you.
      I can't understand how the OP left a "potential" 35k deal (and I use the term "potential" lightly) on hold until the next day. :confused:

      Besides, Germany have their own language and the last time I looked, the word for dumbbell was "hantel".

      I've no idea what dumbbell.de is worth but if I thought it was that sort of money, I'm not quite sure I'd have been able to go to sleep that night.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Well.. Well.. Well..

        I had a laugh reading your posts Richard.

        Leaving a $35K domain name for others to steal it.. WOW! What a story.. hmm...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I'm not going to explain the whole process again - it's been discussed many times here.

        The mistake is in finding a domain and then leaving the registrar's site to "think about it" - there are third parties that register searched-for domains on a temporary basis. It's a business model - a bit underhanded - BUT it's easy to avoid the problem. Register a domain WHEN you find it.

        You don't own the rights to any domain until YOU register it - nobody stole anything from you. You had a chance to get the domain and chose not to do so. You may get lucky and find it available again next week as it was probably registered on a temporary basis by a third party site BECAUSE you looked it up.

        The temp registration will expire and you will be able to register ithe domain in 7-10 days in most cases. However, don't expect to sell it for $35k - you're believing the wrong people/sites if you think that will happen.

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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I can't understand how the OP left a "potential" 35k deal (and I use the term "potential" lightly) on hold until the next day. :confused:

        Besides, Germany have their own language and the last time I looked, the word for dumbbell was "hantel".

        I've no idea what dumbbell.de is worth but if I thought it was that sort of money, I'm not quite sure I'd have been able to go to sleep that night.
        Oh no hantel.com and hantel.de is taken .............. I see hantel.us is available ........ should I get it to promote hantels to Germans in the USA
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

          Oh no hantel.com and hantel.de is taken .............. I see hantel.us is available ........ should I get it to promote hantels to Germans in the USA
          Actually I just bought it but I'm selling it now for $35,000. There's huge demand in the US for Hantels.

          Actually, I just Googled "Hantel" and apparently it's a firm that sells "Victorian miniatures"

          So the price is now $100,000
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Is there any real value in dumbbells.de?

    There is SEO - but trying to rank for 'dumbbells' will be very hard. But what about the German market? I am sure the Germans have a different word for "dumbbell" so putting a German focused site isn't applicable. English speaking market? If you are trying to sell dumbbells to Americans, English, Australian etc. then I'd guess you want the correct country domain or a .com.

    The fact that it was unregistered until quite recently says it all, I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Is there any real value in dumbbells.de?

      There is SEO - but trying to rank for 'dumbbells' will be very hard. But what about the German market? I am sure the Germans have a different word for "dumbbell" so putting a German focused site isn't applicable. English speaking market? If you are trying to sell dumbbells to Americans, English, Australian etc. then I'd guess you want the correct country domain or a .com.
      The above is one of the better answers here.

      Using English words with non-English extensions is pretty much a non-starter. All your SEO advantage is probably illusionary at best.

      And as others have said, if you find a domain name you like register it right then or risk having it held hostage.

      Btw, I have a website that is "valued" at $54,000.00 but I can't imagine anyone from THIS planet paying that much for the site...

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    • Profile picture of the author FrontLineMentor
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Is there any real value in dumbbells.de?

      There is SEO - but trying to rank for 'dumbbells' will be very hard. But what about the German market? I am sure the Germans have a different word for "dumbbell" so putting a German focused site isn't applicable. English speaking market? If you are trying to sell dumbbells to Americans, English, Australian etc. then I'd guess you want the correct country domain or a .com.

      The fact that it was unregistered until quite recently says it all, I think.

      Actually it is very hard to find 1 word domain with .com, net, org and .de. If you find it, you can do a quick flip for $200 to $2000 range.

      Even english word domain with .de cctld, the domain worth hundreds if not thousands, especiall if 1 word domain.

      See below, the recent sales of EnglishWord.de domains:

      safer.de $2,500 on 2011-02-19
      amethyst.de $3,000 on 2011-02-22
      accelerate.de $4,500 on 2011-02-22
      flashlights.de $3,500 on 2011-02-25
      realgames.de $10,000 on 2011-06-22
      kidswear.de $2,500 on 2011-02-10
      easycard.de $2,000 on 2011-02-10
      goodboard.de $3,000 on 2011-02-08
      e-recruitment.de $2,200 on 2011-02-08
      easypilot.de $5,063 on 2011-02-05
      songwriters.de $2,500 on 2011-01-31
      cheaphotels.de $2,735 2011-0-30
      sound-store.de $2,800 2011-01-30
      casual.de $9,500 2011-02-01
      ruined.de $3,000 on 2011-02-24
      adblockplus.de $3,500 on 2011-01-24

      I would say, with dumbbells.de, it can be quickly flipped for $2k to $5k range. Or if it is hold for longer, the right buyer is willing to
      get it for even $10k.

      Lesson learnt :
      1. Never trust any registrar.
      2. Register immediately once it is spotted
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by FrontLineMentor View Post

        Actually it is very hard to find 1 word domain with .com, net, org and .de. If you find it, you can do a quick flip for $200 to $2000 range.
        I'm talking about the true value of the domain, to someone who wants to sell dumbbells or related products, as opposed to the price you might get for it in an over-inflated domain market, based on the greater fool principle.

        Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

        I just found 5 english words .de domains on Godaddy. 3 of them 1 word domains. I'll check back in a hour and see if they're still available.
        Perhaps .DE will be the next gold rush, like Google News was a few months ago.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

          I'm talking about the true value of the domain, to someone who wants to sell dumbbells or related products, as opposed to the price you might get for it in an over-inflated domain market, based on the greater fool principle.
          It's also pretty easy to buy a domain name for $7, put it up on an auction site and buy it yourself at a rediculous price to generate buzz. Then you're in it for the original purchase price plus any commission to the auction site and some 'greater fool' will think the domain actually had that value if they wanted to buy it.

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          • Profile picture of the author theemperor
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            It's also pretty easy to buy a domain name for $7, put it up on an auction site and buy it yourself at a rediculous price to generate buzz. Then you're in it for the original purchase price plus any commission to the auction site and some 'greater fool' will think the domain actually had that value if they wanted to buy it.

            ~Bill
            Yep just go to NAME.com. Backorder a domain which is already PR2+ then flip it. Easy enough to do, done it myself before. I considered creating software to do the PR checking for me, but flipping is not my thing, I find it too stressful for some reason
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    Maybe I'm a dumbbell but I can't see why the .de would be worth so much when you can get the .me for £5.57 and the .ws for £9.30

    With hyphen

    £6.19 dumb-bells.co.uk
    £18.60 dumb-bells.co
    £1.23 dumb-bells.info
    £6.19 dumb-bells.net
    £6.19 dumb-bells.org
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    I just found 5 english words .de domains on Godaddy. 3 of them 1 word domains. I'll check back in a hour and see if they're still available.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      I just found 5 english words .de domains on Godaddy. 3 of them 1 word domains. I'll check back in a hour and see if they're still available.
      How fun! Can't wait to see if the Daddy scoops them up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
        Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

        How fun! Can't wait to see if the Daddy scoops them up.
        They are still available on Godaddy.

        I have just checked on estibot and they reckon one is worth $800 woo!
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
    Originally Posted by RichMarketer View Post

    Either domaintools.com, godaddy or moniker. It is either any of the domain registrars, or estibot sold my 'search history'.
    I've had a similar experience after using estibot. I attempted to register the name minutes after my search and it had just been taken. Is it possible that this was just a coincidence? I suppose that is a possibility.

    The best advice for you has already been given by others here. When you find a good domain register it immediately.

    All the Very Best,


    Tony
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    • Profile picture of the author FrontLineMentor
      Originally Posted by TeamGlobal View Post

      I've had a similar experience after using estibot. I attempted to register the name minutes after my search and it had just been taken. Is it possible that this was just a coincidence? I suppose that is a possibility.

      The best advice for you has already been given by others here. When you find a good domain register it immediately.

      All the Very Best,


      Tony
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    Please note that no one stole the domain from you. Until it is registered, a domain is "fair game" and is available to anyone willing to pay the registration fees. The next time you find a domain that you like, get it registered. There are certainly some companies that have low cost registration fees. I would recommend doing your homework and finding such a company first. Of course, make sure the company that you register the domain with is reliable, etc. Then, when you do find a domain that's worthwhile, you will be able to take action promptly and effectively.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    I guess the only way to avoid problems like this in the future is not to wait 2-3 days to register a domain that's available today.
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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by Dave Rodman View Post

      I guess the only way to avoid problems like this in the future is not to wait 2-3 days to register a domain that's available today.
      Absolutely. I mean, it's like any other commodity you see out there that might
      not be available by then if you don't buy it on the spot, right?

      When one gets an unrealistic expectation like the OP did, otherwise avoidable
      frustrations like these tend to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Originally Posted by RichMarketer View Post

    But i delayed the registration until today when I checked, it is just registered today !
    You failed to take action. Time to build a bridge and get over it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by RichMarketer View Post

    I am very disappointed today.

    2-3 days ago i found a goldmine (i think so). I found a 1 word domain available for registration !

    I did search at domain registrar for dumbbells.de and it was available for registration. When I checked at estibot.com after that, the domain is worth $35k !

    But i delayed the registration until today when I checked, it is just registered today !

    But i dont really remember where did i check domain availability. Either domaintools.com, godaddy or moniker. It is either any of the domain registrars, or estibot sold my 'search history'.

    They are very unethical. How dare they 'steal' my domain !

    Anybody expert here know how can we ensure that our domain search history is safe and not shared/sold ?

    Wasn't your domain until you bought it... Someone beat you to it. Simple as that... Next time don't wait.

    Selling your search history? I guess you have proof and not speculation, God forbid someone in 500,000,000 people have the same idea at the same time.
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      I've had that happen a couple of times too -- found cool domain name, waited a day and -- it was gone! Darn!

      So now, I go with the advice that several gave here: get it right then and there, if at all possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    yup, learned that the hard way too

    if you want the domain, just buy it right after you search for it
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  • Profile picture of the author Matrixguru
    I will let you in on a secret do not search for domains at small providers or even some of the big guys because they monitor what you search for, and register any potential domains automatically if you don’t, that why you see the .com gone but .net is still available
    What to do? Search larger databases for potential domains (it takes them longer to respond) and then register the domain with who ever you want straight away, you will miss out otherwise, even then you could miss out if it is a big money domain, I once bought a domain only to receive a email telling me they would not let me have it or keep it because they claimed that they beat me to it at 4am in the morning! But as compensation I could have all the surrounding domains to that keyword. This was a very large national company that did this. I had no choice but to give in. even with a sales docket. I am a lot more careful now days
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Two Lessons learned from this buddy:

    1. Do not use free domain checking tools , you can always use this most secure
    and impertial, non-profit:
    Internic | Whois

    Yes it is by InterNic:
    InterNIC is a registered service mark of the U.S. Department of Commerce.

    2. Lesson#2 is not to trust or believe those estimation tools, they are dumb and they
    are inaccurate.. they cannot tell you real value of any domain or site.. these tools are
    for clueless masses for entertainment purposes.

    Also another lesson you learned that if you really like some domain and find it available
    to be registered, just register that without delay!

    Move on buddy and keep growing your Internet Business, and make sure not these little
    events make you down or feel disappointed.

    GOOD LUCK & Have a Great 2011!

    regards,
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