Google CRUNCHES the article market

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Wow !
Have you seen the latest Algorithm change from Google?
Deemed Anti-Demand-Media" ?

All the articles sites have been hobbled seriously cut down 90% of their search engine share.

Unfortunately so have all (well A LOT) of the social web 2.0 sites. Like Hubpages for one.

This really changes the article marketing game and I think their response is going to be 100% unique content only (and I think Google wants this to happen as an effect).

Did anyone suffer from this unfortunate blow from the big G?


wj
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  • Profile picture of the author sporty
    Hi, wj.

    I had a page one ezine article that went to page 2 for a couple of days but now it's back on page one. It's a quality, original, useful article. I hope that will be the key to getting good ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I have 7000 syndicated articles on my site. I am seeing daily averages that are 20% to 35% above the average daily traffic I generally see.

    Where others have lost, I have gained a lot from this Google algorithm update.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimG
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I have 7000 syndicated articles on my site. I am seeing daily averages that are 20% to 35% above the average daily traffic I generally see.

      Where others have lost, I have gained a lot from this Google algorithm update.
      Great scott Bill........that's alot of cheddar!!!

      Respectfully,
      Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Lots of threads on this forum in regards to the recent algorithm change.

    The only marketers that got hurt or saw their content completely disappear by this recent algorithm change were not doing things right to begin with.

    The effects of the Google slap are not as bad for many other marketers that were already focused on providing quality content. I'm still finding articles on EZA that are ranking high and more are reappearing everyday.

    Granted, other sites now need to be included in an article marketers kit bag for submission purposes provided they have already taken care of creating content for their own site first.

    Respectfully,
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    • Profile picture of the author webjedi
      It's nice to hear you have seen a bump up in traffic.
      Of those syndicated sites..

      Are they all US-based?

      I understand this slap has not propagated to the other non-US servers throughout the world.

      I would be interested to hear a follow up in a couple days and of course I want to see your increase stay !!

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Yes, my site is a US-based dot com.

    And my traffic is from the US version of Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Lett
    Just as TimG, Bill (tpw) and I were saying on another thread, those who have been writing good quality articles from the start are now reaping the benefits of the Google Algorithm change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Diane S
      Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

      Google doesn't 'hate' affiliates imo, they still just want to give people what they are looking for, fast, without intermediaries monetizing through questionable marketing.
      Google still loves my epn sites, which are certainly intermediary sites for anyone who might have been heading to eBay to buy something. If Google didn't love them, they would not be making enough money from bing/yahoo/whatever to keep them.

      Originally Posted by Brian Lett View Post

      Just as TimG, Bill (tpw) and I were saying on another thread, those who have been writing good quality articles from the start are now reaping the benefits of the Google Algorithm change.
      It is possible for good, quality articles to be submitted through automation. If you are going to syndicate (i.e. send same article to many directories) it only makes sense to automate the submissions.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

        ... It is possible for good, quality articles to be submitted through automation. If you are going to syndicate (i.e. send same article to many directories) it only makes sense to automate the submissions.
        Absolutely, I haven't heard anyone mention RSS feeds, but that has been my syndication method of choice for quite awhile.
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          I'm not really worrying about it. Sure, there has been a change. Now my articles on my site are ranking higher than the same article that was on EZA. Still see a few for some nice long tails that are ranking high for AB but I did notice that articles from my article directory are ranking higher than EZA now and it's really not a huge directory... article friendly platform. Weird but, whateva!

          Just a thought... don't you think that Google is cutting off their nose to spite their face here. I'm sure it's been mentioned or thought of before but... I am sure that Google makes a lot of money off of EZA. Just saying...
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        • Profile picture of the author ZerosToHero
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Absolutely, I haven't heard anyone mention RSS feeds, but that has been my syndication method of choice for quite awhile.
          How does the RSS thing work? Does it really get you more traffic? Who do you recommend?
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by JamesAggie View Post

            How does the RSS thing work? Does it really get you more traffic? Who do you recommend?
            RSS is a really simple way to get your publications syndicated, and suprisingly is an acronym of Really Simple Syndication.

            There is a surviving 310 word article in Ezine Articles introducing RSS

            http://ezinearticles.com/?What-Is-an...ed?&id=5879704

            In addition, Ezine Articles has a plethora of authoritative articles on this very subject (oh the irony, LOL!)

            As far as recommended vendors, there are many available by searching "RRS feed software"

            Mine was developed in house back in 1998. Syndication is really nothing new at all; it just got sidetracked by myopic "article marketers".
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken
              Two of my sites have been affected strangely.

              They were both PR3 sites alternating between position #7 & #10 on
              Googles first page for the Main keywords.

              Both sites are now PR0 and are positioned #1 for main keywords.:confused:

              Can't figure this one out.

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              • Profile picture of the author Zed Shah
                It's been a mixed bag for me, I've seen most of 'Unique Articles' stay where they are and no issues whatsoever.

                A lot of my spun articles are fine too although i dont rely on them so its cool.

                Either way Google is definitely heading towards unique high quality content and is slapping the heck out of people who rely solely on crappy rehashed content.

                Its worth noting that I spin my srticles to a very high percentage and manually check them all for the purposes of quality,etc ..you could say each and every time I end with up with a new article
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Ken View Post

                Two of my sites have been affected strangely.

                They were both PR3 sites alternating between position #7 & #10 on
                Googles first page for the Main keywords.

                Both sites are now PR0 and are positioned #1 for main keywords.:confused:

                Can't figure this one out.

                Ken

                Everyone's PageRank has been dropping as more sites continue to gain even more links.

                PageRank is a simple measure that does not actually affect search rankings, although it is based on link popularity that does affect search reankings.

                Yes, it is a difficult concept to grasp, but PageRank is measured from Zero to Ten and all pages must fall somewhere in that range.

                Link Popularity is actually part of the algorithm and is measured on a more quantifiable basis to help determine where a site should rank.

                To put this in perspective, Facebook has more than 2 billion links pointing to pages on its site.

                My main site has dropped from a PR5 to PR0 over the last five years.

                Google Webmaster Tools said that as a PR5 site, I had 16,000 links to my site. And now, I have 222,479 Google-recognized inbound links and that is only worthy of a PR0.

                Yes, value of links does play a role, and I still have PR7 pages pointing to my site. But as more and more links exist online, that Zero to Ten scale will continue to skew sideways.

                And as far as real rankings in Google's search engine, the last update was a boost for me. My site is seeing a 20% to 35% increase in traffic across the board, compared to traffic before the algo change, so I'd say my Google rankings are getting better.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  ELK,

                  Well first of all I think most here would disagree with you about my knowledge.

                  But actually RSS is widely used in news, sports, entertainment, weather, and gobs of thousands of businesses. Certainly not at all IM specific.

                  Perhaps the best way to learn about RSS is to try it out yourself.

                  It's got nothing to do with email, but if you go to My Yahoo and login, then click on "Content", you will see thousands of RSS feeds to choose from.

                  Here's the steps from Yahoo:

                  What is RSS content and how do I add it? | My Yahoo! Help

                  As far as having an RSS feed on your WP website, that I know nothing about since I do not use that platform. Perhaps your visitors need to have an RSS reader or similar plugin.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dougger1
                    I have one site that's just four pages, ranked 6th on Google and no problem. It's on a single source and does have some good information, including a product review - so guess G is OK with it.

                    I noticed that at about the same time that Google was making an algorithm change, ezinearticles has also made some significant changes. You can no longer submit articles via the WP plugin and articles have to be at least 400 words.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tpw
                      Originally Posted by Dougger1 View Post

                      I noticed that at about the same time that Google was making an algorithm change, ezinearticles has also made some significant changes. You can no longer submit articles via the WP plugin and articles have to be at least 400 words.

                      The two items are directly related.

                      EZA made significant changes in response to losing 90% of its search engine rankings in Google, during the last algorithm change.
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    when did this change?
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by corycrabb View Post

      when did this change?

      February 24th, 2011.

      Look for information on the Google Farmer Update.
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    • Profile picture of the author webjedi
      Originally Posted by corycrabb View Post

      when did this change?
      Around Feb 22nd.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
    Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

    Frankly I'm quite surprised they waited this long, and I'm more surprised that this is all they did as there's tons of false positives still out there but I guess it's a sensitive change and will happen incrementally.
    I'm not.

    Google made a lot of money with these sites. IMHO the only reason they changed was to silence the growing uproar about these sites and the value (or lack thereof) they provided.
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  • Profile picture of the author caseycase
    I am still not convinced it was an actual "algorithm" change. It could just as easily have been a manual adjustment by Google on certain sites that they considered to be content farms, such as EZA.

    However, for me, it does nothing but help. I don't rely on my articles that are posted on article sites for traffic. I do use them for backlinks, and many of them have been syndicated as well. So, this actually helps, as now I am not competing with article sites for my own rankings, but I still get the backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by caseycase View Post

      I am still not convinced it was an actual "algorithm" change. It could just as easily have been a manual adjustment by Google on certain sites that they considered to be content farms, such as EZA.

      Rather than to type out the exact same words here in this thread, see this post.

      I do think it was an algorithm change, for the reasons outlined in the other post.
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      • Profile picture of the author caseycase
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Rather than to type out the exact same words here in this thread, see the p.s. in this post.

        I do think it was an algorithm change, for the reasons outlined in the other post.
        Read your post. I wasn't aware that some articles survived. If that is the case, it does make more sense that it is an algo change. I would think it would be sitewide if it was manual.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by caseycase View Post

          Read your post. I wasn't aware that some articles survived. If that is the case, it does make more sense that it is an algo change. I would think it would be sitewide if it was manual.

          Exactly. If there had been no survivors, I would have certainly agreed with your previous comment.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I have not seen any dip, only increases. It isn't that hard to write content that gets loved by Google. You need some good keyword phrases and about 20 minutes to produce an OK article.

      if you are carefully crafting an article, it takes longer than that, for sure. But if you just want to get the content up on your site or into a directory, or write up a nice blog post, that won't get trashed by the SE's, you don't need more than a half hour.

      20-30 minutes of time, to trade for a piece of content that is unique and has a great chance of staying up and earning, for a really long time, that's a pretty good deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaddiction
    I don't used Ezine a lot, but articlebase, the last one is no less hurt by G this time, I have no idea what to do with article marketing right now...
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  • Profile picture of the author aptohosting
    Haven't noticed any rank differences in my sites, but then again non were spun/re-written...all unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Yes, I definitely did. An interesting (yet not surprising) trend that I saw was that Youtube was one of the websites that saw a huge increase in traffic. I guess that it's no surprise since Google owns Youtube... but what does that mean for us Warriors?

    Spend some more time making informative and entertaining Youtube videos!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    They call it "algo change", i dont believe it. To me it looks actual content is not really evaluated, its a penalty simply applied to a BIIIIIG list of article directories.

    Affected are all sites which are NOT specific to a particular niche, with article directories the prime example.

    Not much of an "algo change" in my opinion. If your site caters to a specific niche and subject, you dont have anything to fear.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    As far as I know the google changes didn't affect e.how, but it actually affected Livestrong which is a higher quality site owned by the same company. People really like e.how and they only hire professional writers to write for them now. I think they made this change over a year ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    I don't think it's just an 'algo change' either. I think that now, they're taking more 'manual action', rather than relying on an algorithm.

    Us marketers have been coming up with more and more different ways to achieve first page rankings, and let's get real, most of what shows up in Google was put there by a 'marketer', and if you really take a step back and look at what any typical 'marketer' does these days to get better rankings in Google, it's all very similar, it's all the same game, we all discuss the same strategies.

    I think that now they're starting to use bodies to investigate and identify low quality patterns and commonalities not just on individual pages, but websites as a whole.

    Ezine I think has been the most drastic example of this new 'change' google has put out. Not that dozens of other sites and networks didn't take a hit, but ezine definitely took a massive hit.

    Now the game is changing, Google wants the best content to show up.

    I was talking to my sister the other day about what I do, create websites for certain keywords and get commissions when people buy something after clicking my links, etc. As I was explaining this to her she said
    "You're one of those buys that builds those crappy sites full of links I have to click to get what I want. I can never get right to what I want without one of those crappy link sites getting in my way"
    I'm sure that Google feels the same way.

    I didn't take much of a hit. I have one site in particular that I know for sure took a hit in the vehicles niche. Coincidentally this site wasn't really my best work, I used a couple of my own ezine articles as posts, along with just 2 or 3 original articles, and not very good ones. Aside from that, just a big banner in the sidebar that was making me $200-$300 per month from one advertiser. I was ranking #3 - #4 for a term getting like 5,000 exact searches a month (with the word BUY in it ). This site is no longer on the first page, and not receiving traffic from that keyword anymore, and is only making about $100 per month now.

    If I had to say, by looking at what happened to my own site, this site was low quality, only half of the content was unique, it didn't really add any value except for, this is what your problem is, and here's the solution.

    I built only very few quality links to this site, a couple links from other sites I own and a couple batches of profile links if I remember correctly.

    None of my sites that are unique and have good links pointing to them took even a minor hit, just that one site which just happens to be the site I own for which I've probably put the least amount of effort into.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

    Here are some things to expect:

    * Random fluctuations in price increases for better quality writers (they will be in demand as of last week, probably sites being popped up RIGHT NOW saying "Did Google Screw YOU? Here's Why OUR Article Writers Get Hired..." < WSO in 3, 2, 1...

    * Yes YouTube will def see an increase (or already has) in their aff activity (sigh ), and will probably have a ripple effect there too, same principles. So don't 'spin' videos, don't trick the system, just make GOOD videos they aren't THAT hard, even fiverr a bunch, best money you'll spend on a quick 10 video campaign...

    * SOME article directories, even though being listed as being shot down, will still get a lot of love I'm sure, and a few (maybe NOT ezine) will become the new leaders, in value, and be recognized for it first (I'm sure ezine and others are restructuring to acquire better/best content fast - perhaps drops in membership fee's, specials, blitz campaigns etc).

    * REAL marketers, as above, that spend time on quality and unique content be it from a aff or vendor perspective, will get love this year, as they do every year. I think we have the collective to blame for this, the spinners, the nukers, scrapeboxes, and other very useful friendly tools that we ourselves make, deploy, then rely on to sustain a real business/income stream...

    * I think marketers in general will become more stealth like, and at least half will switch to 100% whitehat and clean long term campaigns. While they may bitch and moan about it now, later in their careers they will be glad to filter that crap out of their routine imo.

    Build a business, not just a footprint of intermediary crap for clicks.

    NC.
    I would also add that there will be a huge boost in popularity for the following two article marketing systems:

    Article Guest Blogging
    Article Syndication

    Both require original content filled with value and in the case of guest blogging it generally also requires exclusive content which can't be shard elsewhere.

    Both of those article marketing battle grounds just become very competitive.

    Resepctfully,
    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    It's "heart breaking" to see the zine sites, in particular ezine, now trying to implement changes to increase the quality of the content.

    However, there is a flaw, and i am afraid all those efforts might not help:

    A site could contain ALL super high quality articles but still being not specialized in ONE particular niche. So it will always fit the "content farm" criteria, regardless whether the individual article's quality is increased.

    It's entirely up to Google, but there's a likelihood that each and any "article site" doesn't have a big future anymore since they are not specific to a niche.

    Whether Google at some time lifts the penalty for such "non specific" article sites (seeing that content has gotten better) we simply don't know!
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      I have seen an increase in the number of visitors for my EZA but there again, all of my articles are orignal ones so I am glad that google has changed the algorithms! It was about time too!!
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        All of this sounds like, it is advisable not to go mega but instead to go small to medium and become specialised.
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    • Profile picture of the author webjedi
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      A site could contain ALL super high quality articles but still being not specialized in ONE particular niche. So it will always fit the "content farm" criteria, regardless whether the individual article's quality is increased.

      It's entirely up to Google, but there's a likelihood that each and any "article site" doesn't have a big future anymore since they are not specific to a niche.
      Respectfully, where are you getting this methodology definition?
      Google is a lot smarter then we are giving them credit for.

      First I am certain it is algorithmic, they are tracking link chains, and time on site and exit paths. This all goes into the change. They are determining if people stay on a site for .03 seconds and where they go.

      Bouncing original search terms off of exit paths three or four down the chain. They are testing where people end up after a search even 6 clicks away.

      I think non-niche has a something to do with it but Google knows the nature of the Internet. They are non-niche and so are all the directories (well except for the niche directories of course) and they would effectively be down-grading themselves under that non-niche assumption.

      They did say in their blog that is was US ONLY right now. I found it interesting that they bounced their new filtered results off the Google Chrome.. what is it "Block List" ? and found it to be like 85% matching.

      85% of the sites on the block list were also downgraded in Google results.

      Frankly, I am very happy about it, makes for a better Internet.

      But let's be careful about slapping a definition on what was exactly done and why. It's going to send a bunch of people in the wrong direction..

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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Isn't this 100000 th thread on this topic?
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Isn't this 100000 th thread on this topic?

      Stop pointing out the obvious Moh...
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    • Profile picture of the author webjedi
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Isn't this 100000 th thread on this topic?
      Honestly I was looking for WF discussions on this topic and cold not find any. That's why I brought it up .. can we merge ?

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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by webjedi View Post

        Honestly I was looking for WF discussions on this topic and cold not find any. That's why I brought it up .. can we merge ?

        wj

        All is good.

        Honestly this morning, there is one that started exactly like yours, but yours came a few minutes before the other one.

        This is a hot topic right now and it is being hashed by several angles in several threads at the moment.
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        • Profile picture of the author webjedi
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          All is good.

          Honestly this morning, there is one that started exactly like yours, but yours came a few minutes before the other one.

          This is a hot topic right now and it is being hashed by several angles in several threads at the moment.

          You changed your signature to match the trend.. I love you for that
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Isn't this 100000 th thread on this topic?
      This is a huge issue that is affecting thousands of people. When you take a look at the EZA blog, you see people whose entire life is being threatened by having an overcorrection on the part of EZA. People whose livelihood might vanish.

      And they are writing good quality articles that get click throughs to their sites.

      This is a big thing right now online. It will change some people's lives for a long time to come. It is an OK thing to write about in a forum dedicated to online marketing becasue it is both topical and long lasting.

      So what does it matter to you how many threads there are about it. People looking for information here about this issue may very well be logging in on therir lunch break to find information that can help their business survive. And the other threads are already off on other pages.

      This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss things that count - like this big change in what information people are going to be able to find online.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

        This is a huge issue that is affecting thousands of people. When you take a look at the EZA blog, you see people whose entire life is being threatened by having an overcorrection on the part of EZA. People whose livelihood might vanish.

        And they are writing good quality articles that get click throughs to their sites.

        This is a big thing right now online. It will change some people's lives for a long time to come. It is an OK thing to write about in a forum dedicated to online marketing becasue it is both topical and long lasting.

        So what does it matter to you how many threads there are about it. People looking for information here about this issue may very well be logging in on therir lunch break to find information that can help their business survive. And the other threads are already off on other pages.

        This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss things that count - like this big change in what information people are going to be able to find online.
        Ask Paul Myers why he recently locked a thread talking about the new google algorithm. Here it is: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hats-come.html

        Trust me, there is such a thing as too many threads and when there are too many threads on any particular topic each starting off with the same questions that have already been answered in 5 other threads, that just clutters up the forum.

        That's my opinion of it. Your's might be different but that's not a problem as we are all entitled to having an opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
          Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

          Ask Paul Myers why he recently locked a thread talking about the new google algorithm. Here it is: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...hats-come.html

          Trust me, there is such a thing as too many threads and when there are too many threads on any particular topic each starting off with the same questions that have already been answered in 5 other threads, that just clutters up the forum.

          That's my opinion of it. Your's might be different but that's not a problem as we are all entitled to having an opinion.
          Having different opinions on things works for me. Sounds like a good idea in a discussion forum. I think it is important for people to be able to see different points of view on things. I know I certainly appreciate that. I have seen more ideas on the WF, in a short amount of posts, than I think in pretty much any other marketing venue online.

          I see that in this thread, there are a number of people who sound like they understand the algorithm change, if there is one, and were willing to share their experience and knowledge. That sounds like a good thing to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketermatt
    with my site i havnt seen any effects of the google algo chaneg yet (fingers crossed i wont at all haha)
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  • Profile picture of the author ELK
    @ myob

    My only problem with RSS is that I'm not sure a lot of average folks quite know how to use it. I hardly know myself because it's not part of my routine. If there was some way for it to show up in my email or something, I could totally do that. And I bet others would use it as well that way.

    Is there some way to get an RSS feed to show up, say, through your yahoo mail account? I'm sorry if that's a dumb question, I really don't know. And you seem to know WAY more than anyone else I've personally noticed before

    EDIT: Another question: How could I readily and easily explain the RSS process on my site? Is there a plugin on WP that will be a "one click" RSS type action? I'm just saying that so many people already know the iconic "f" means it will post to facebook, and what twitter does. I'm not sure most people know what to do with the little RSS thingy. Might it depend on your market? I'm NOT promoting stuff to the IM niche who might already know about this.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author webjedi
    OK wow, I just went off on a ten page rant over the future of the Internet.
    There should be a room for that...

    I had to delete it and just post hmmm .. interesting
    Seriously I was ranting.. I see the whole thing unfolding and how to react to it.

    wj
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by webjedi View Post

      OK wow, I just went off on a ten page rant over the future of the Internet.
      There should be a room for that...

      I had to delete it and just post hmmm .. interesting
      Seriously I was ranting.. I see the whole thing unfolding and how to react to it.

      wj

      When you go on rants like that, before you delete it, copy it into notepad and hit save.

      Later, you can go back to those rants and turn pieces of them into articles or reports that you can give away or sell.

      I have a hard drive full of rants. Some have already been turned into articles. Some into reports. Some were never used, but they inspired other articles and reports. And some are there for a future need.
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  • Profile picture of the author aidanjb1
    As far as I know I haven't been hit by this...I only submit unique content to Ezine Articles anyway (never spun) so hopefully that's ok. I'm more interested to see if links from article marketing sites get devalued and how that affects me...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Seriously - I have never done any analytics on my site. It exists for a very specific niche of population and I have never worked on the basis of ranking, etc or so forth. I post information my viewers want. Period. Right now I have no clue what my page ranks are for either my .com or the .net part of my site (one is the HTML stuff and the other the php stuff). All I know is that I have come up on google page one for a lot of different search terms over the years - and right now my site is killin' it for traffic in my niche. Traffic just started going nuts a few weeks back. I'm a little bit taken back that such a specific niche could even get the traffic I'm getting now.

    Whatever happens from here - I am still gonna be catering to my viewers the way I always have - because frankly, that's what I'm there for. Everything else is beside the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigRC
    Many threads already on this topic, some great info within them. Do a search and you'll find a wide variety of great writers debating the merits (or lack thereof) of the recent slap.
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