ezine and affiliate link

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hello

i know that ezine does not accept any affiliate link. or direct linking it to an affiliate website. (i hope im saying it right)

so i bought a domain name and i want to use it for that purpose.

as soon as someone clicks on the link it would go to the domain name i bought and then change immediately to the affiliate link website that im promoting.

my question is how do i do that?

do i cloak the link? but that wouldnt require me to buy a domain name. but then ezine would know and not accept my article.

or do i contact hostgator and they would tell me how to do it?

i hope someone can help with this problem

thanks
zena
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by zena lour View Post

    i know that ezine does not accept any affiliate link. or direct linking it to an affiliate website. (i hope im saying it right)
    You are saying it right.

    Originally Posted by zena lour View Post

    so i bought a domain name and i want to use it for that purpose.

    as soon as someone clicks on the link it would go to the domain name i bought and then change immediately to the affiliate link website that im promoting.

    my question is how do i do that?
    You do this as a "re-direct" at the website of registrar where you registered the domain-name. Hosting isn't needed.

    Originally Posted by zena lour View Post

    or do i contact hostgator and they would tell me how to do it?
    If that's the registrar where you registered the domain-name, yes (and their technical help is good, and friendly).

    Good luck, Zena.

    But please excuse the observation that this procedure (it's called "direct linking" but in this case you're using a domain-name as the link - correctly because the EZA rules necessitate that) is a terribly difficult way to sell affiliate products. For three main reasons:-

    (i) You can't build a list;

    (ii) You can't pre-sell effectively;

    (iii) You're dependent on someone else's website (EZA) ranking your article well, and anything you do to help that happen is building up their business more than it's building up yours - so it's far from ideal, really. I think it used to work, to some extent, maybe 5 years ago - but I must say I wouldn't want to try it now. All your competitors, for the product you're selling, will be doing better, I'm afraid, by sending the traffic to their own site and collecting their email addresses with an opt-in, and then making the sale by sending them email. Very difficult to get many sales, without doing that. :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author zena lour
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      You are saying it right.



      You do this as a "re-direct" at the website of registrar where you registered the domain-name. Hosting isn't needed.



      If that's the registrar where you registered the domain-name, yes (and their technical help is good, and friendly).

      Good luck, Zena.

      But please excuse the observation that this procedure (it's called "direct linking" but in this case you're using a domain-name as the link - correctly because the EZA rules necessitate that) is a terribly difficult way to sell affiliate products. For three main reasons:-

      (i) You can't build a list;

      (ii) You can't pre-sell effectively;

      (iii) You're dependent on someone else's website (EZA) ranking your article well, and anything you do to help that happen is building up their business more than it's building up yours - so it's far from ideal, really. I think it used to work, to some extent, maybe 5 years ago - but I must say I wouldn't want to try it now. All your competitors, for the product you're selling, will be doing better, I'm afraid, by sending the traffic to their own site and collecting their email addresses with an opt-in, and then making the sale by sending them email. Very difficult to get many sales, without doing that. :confused:

      thanks alexa

      yea i do agree with what your saying. building a list is the way to go and im preparing for that.

      and building my site first over any article directory is the smart and more effective way to do it.

      im doing it this way now to try to get some sales to make my business run. im new at this game but i have also learned a lot.

      im out of a job and i need some income. building a list is my ultimate goal but it wouldnt get me sales immediately. i dont think, because it takes time to get a large number of optins to my list and i have to pay my writers.


      thanks again
      zena
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by zena lour View Post

        building a list is my ultimate goal but it wouldnt get me sales immediately.
        It will get you immediately all the same sales that direct-linking will get you immediately, Zena. (And it can also get you a lot more, but more slowly). There's no downside to building a list. It won't delay anything. People who want to buy immediately will still buy immediately.
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  • Profile picture of the author zena lour
    i have read a lot of your posts and you help a lot of people here. i was thinking of doing both.

    since i already signed up for autoresponder i think its best to use it asap.


    thanks
    zena
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Good luck with it.

      I do both ... I send the traffic to a "landing page" on a little site/blog which contains:-

      (i) a product review;

      (ii) links to my hoplink (using a redirected domain-name, just as you describe above, but from my site to Clickbank, not from an article directory to Clickbank - I don't know if you're using Clickbank but the principle's the same anyway);

      (iii) A bit of other pre-selling information about the niche (you don't need a lot to get started);

      (iv) A prominent, incentivized opt-in linked to the autoresponder (you offer them a "free report" or whatever you call it - and you can put your affiliate links in that, as well, if you want - but not "all over it" is probably best).

      The point is that you don't lose any "immediate sales" by doing it this way. You gain extra ones later, but you don't cause any delay. People can still read the article and buy 2 minutes later.

      You also have, on the same site (on other pages) the originally published and indexed copy of all the article directory articles. This gradually helps your SEO with the site. It doesn't even matter much whether or not anyone reads them when they get there - but don't submit to article directories without first putting them on your own site and getting them indexed there: that's a "no-gain strategy".
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      • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I do both ... I send the traffic to a "landing page" on a little site/blog which contains:-

        (i) a product review;

        (ii) links to my hoplink (using a redirected domain-name, just as you describe above, but from my site to Clickbank, not from an article directory to Clickbank - I don't know if you're using Clickbank but the principle's the same anyway);

        (iii) A bit of other pre-selling information about the niche (you don't need a lot to get started);

        (iv) A prominent, incentivized opt-in linked to the autoresponder (you offer them a "free report" or whatever you call it - and you can put your affiliate links in that, as well, if you want - but not "all over it" is probably best).
        Hi Alexa,

        As always, another informative post...but I want to know more!

        Over the course of writing, publishing and syndicating your many articles, do you predominantly link back to a product review page (as detailed above,) or will you have a mix of landing pages you like to promote?

        See, I'm particularly curious about your thoughts on SEO, and how important that is to your success when writing your articles in your niches.

        To expand a little, I typically go with the one keyword per page rule of thumb. Therefore if I were only linking back to one page in most / all of my articles, then I'd only be deliberately targeting one keyword.

        So...I wondered whether you target multiple keywords with your articles, and if so, are you therefore building multiple landing pages to which to link to?

        Oh...I've another question I'm afraid...

        For your product review page, and the keyword(s) you select, do you have a preference between buyer phrases and info-seeker phrases? For example "product name review" vs. "how do I ____".

        Hope those questions were clear and not too cheeky to have asked
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          Over the course of writing, publishing and syndicating your many articles, do you predominantly link back to a product review page (as detailed above,) or will you have a mix of landing pages you like to promote?
          For each niche site I have one primary landing-page to which I always (or virtually always) link. And as the sites grow, a few other pages for which I do some off-page SEO mostly in the form of an "additional link" (where 2 are allowed, i.e. pretty often). So the primary landing page will get at least 50% of my backlinks and those other pages a lesser number, in inverse proportion to how many of them there are.

          It's a little bit difficult for me to generalise, because some of my sites promote only 1 product (which is almost always a "higher-priced Clickbank one"), while others promote as many as 5 (which will always be at quite a wide mixture of prices).

          But in principle the landing page to which I link will contain either a product review or "product information" with a big link to one or more product reviews on other pages.

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          See, I'm particularly curious about your thoughts on SEO, and how important that is to your success when writing your articles in your niches.
          It's still important, but with the "writing for syndication model" of article marketing, it's quite a bit less important than it is to people trying to use the "rinse and repeat model"/"writing for clicks model". I still like my sites to rank well, but they do anyway, partly by virtue of having already collected the first-indexed versions of every article (and, of course, by having chosen long-tail keywords in the first place, though I suspect I probably do, overall, a little bit less keyword research than "most marketers", too).

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          To expand a little, I typically go with the one keyword per page rule of thumb.
          Every other word (and word-combination) on that one page is still a keyword, though, strictly speaking. If the page is indexed, you couldn't prevent that (not that you'd want to, obviously).

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          Therefore if I were only linking back to one page in most / all of my articles, then I'd only be deliberately targeting one keyword.
          Ah ... "deliberately" ... yes, indeed.

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          So...I wondered whether you target multiple keywords with your articles
          In principle I'm usually targeting one primary keyword per article. (But necessarily including others, of course, whether you choose to call that "latent semantic indexing" as some people do or "gossipping about related terms" as I do. )

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          are you therefore building multiple landing pages to which to link to?
          Not really, no. To all intents and purposes I have one landing-page per niche, with only occasional exceptions for niches in which I'm promoting a few products. I'm slightly struggling to answer, here ... sorry ... I have one niche in which I sell both digital and physical products and I do treat that one a little differently. It's a recent-ish but highly successful niche and I might try to repeat that some time soon with another niche as well. And that is, in a way, potentially a 2-landing-page sort of site. Or can become one, anyway.

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          For your product review page, and the keyword(s) you select
          I have more than one keyword for that page of my site. Only one main one per article linking to the page - not per page.

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          do you have a preference between buyer phrases and info-seeker phrases? For example "product name review" vs. "how do I ____".
          I don't actually use "product name review" keywords, though I know many others are very successful with them.

          I'm not trying to target people who are already thinking of "product x". (I'm not for a moment suggesting that's a bad thing to do - I know it can be a very good thing to do, but it's certainly not exactly my "mainstay"). I'm trying to target potential buyers in "niche y" who haven't yet bought anything/much because they don't like all the hype and crap, other people's salesy sites and products' hypey sales pages. I want to be the person from/through whom those people (who tend to conform to a particular demographic - a huge demographic - of affluent buyers who are not catered to at all by "typical affiliate sites") will buy.

          Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

          Hope those questions were clear and not too cheeky to have asked
          Nooooo ... not at all: I'm afraid it's the answers that are a bit unclear. This is mostly because I have what I think many marketers might consider a somewhat "odd" mixture of entirely unrelated niches, each with its own "special considerations" albeit that my sites, opt-ins and autoresponder sequences are broadly similar across the entire range. Sorry, I may not have been helpful here at all!

          I suspect that there's a quite a widespread "imagined scenario" among affiliate article marketers which goes something like this: someone has a problem and looks for a solution to it by typing something into Google, finds your article, reads it, clicks on the link, goes to your site (already very different from what I'm doing, because I make sure it's my site they go to first, rather than to an article directory) and either buys (following a hoplink, let's say) or opts in (in which case you sell to them later). The reality, I think, is very different. 99% of those people have done this before, yesterday or last week or last month. They've already seen that product's sales before and not bought it. That doesn't mean they won't buy it today, or next week, or next month, if I pre-sell it differently from all those other sites they've already seen. To me, the "imagined scenario" is an "idealised" one: it's just not like that in the real world. I don't pretend, or imagine, that when someone buys a Clickbank product through my affiliate link, that they've never seen that product's sales page before "finding me". This is, broadly speaking, unrealistic. That will occasionally be true, certainly, but those occasional people, in my opinion, are the exception, not the rule.

          My article directory articles are not aimed primarily at potential "immediate customers". (I do get some of those as well, I admit). I don't want my EZA articles to be found by people typing search-terms into Google. I want those people to find my site, not EZA's site (and EZA's AdSense)! The people I want to find my article at EZA are searching inside EZA, not inside Google. And they're there because they're using article directories for their intended purpose (which has nothing to do with "fast traffic" and "crap backlinks" which are the only ones on offer from directories, and "rinsing and repeating" and "writing for clicks").

          The "targeted traffic" finding my articles on sites other than my own site are (a whole different group) people who've already been targeted by those sites' owners and are looking there because they're sites at which those people often look - and attracting those people is where the real money is, in article marketing. Those people aren't looking in article directories, but the people who find (or "have found") them are: they're looking for "content".
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          • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
            I really appreciate the length you went to answer my questions.

            Thank you, Alexa.

            To see if I'm getting this, to summarise --

            Yes, you predominantly link back to one landing page.

            Yes, the landing page will be a product review or information page, and may, when it makes sense, link in turn to other landing pages on your site (other product reviews for example.)

            When you have more than one landing page that you wish to promote, you may also link to those pages in your articles, making use of the second link available in your resource box.

            Yes, you still pay attention to good SEO practices, but not to the extent you imagine most do. Your primary concern is that your articles are first indexed on your site. You typically choose long-tail keywords as well.

            Yes, you typically target one keyword per article, but other related keywords will be used throughout the article, naturally, as a matter of course.

            And regarding keywords, you mention:

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I have more than one keyword for that page of my site. Only one main one per article linking to the page - not per page.
            Do you mean that, while your landing page(s) are targeting multiple keywords, each article targets one keyword (though hitting upon others as already mentioned?)

            If so, I assume that your choice of anchor text in each article will naturally relate to those keywords you have selected for your landing page? So in effect, you may have half a dozen anchor text variations, for example, which you sprinkle into your articles?

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I'm not trying to target people who are already thinking of "product x". (I'm not for a moment suggesting that's a bad thing to do - I know it can be a very good thing to do, but it's certainly not exactly my "mainstay"). I'm trying to target potential buyers in "niche y" who haven't yet bought anything/much because they don't like all the hype and crap, other people's salesy sites and products' hypey sales pages. I want to be the person from/through whom those people (who tend to conform to a particular demographic - a huge demographic - of affluent buyers who are not catered to at all by "typical affiliate sites") will buy.
            Whoa. I'm VERY interested to know more about this, AND the remainder of your post. Where to start

            I think I will stop here for now, and maybe follow up on the rest in another post. I think I might need to sleep on the information for now anyway

            Thanks again

            Jordan
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

              Thank you, Alexa.

              To see if I'm getting this, to summarise --
              Yes ... your summary is good (and more concise than mine!).

              Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

              Do you mean that, while your landing page(s) are targeting multiple keywords, each article targets one keyword (though hitting upon others as already mentioned?)
              Yes; this.

              Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

              If so, I assume that your choice of anchor text in each article will naturally relate to those keywords you have selected for your landing page? So in effect, you may have half a dozen anchor text variations, for example, which you sprinkle into your articles?
              I may do, but my primary concern with the articles is to ensure that they're both readable and syndicable, otherwise all the anchor text variations will be wasted anyway. I can't make a living just from article directory traffic and backlinks (and call me a skepchick but neither can almost anybody else, really: they only think they can and/or imagine that other people do :p).
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              • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
                Excellent, glad I'm picking this up. I've been running around in circles online for a while now, and frankly I'm dizzy.

                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                I may do, but my primary concern with the articles is to ensure that they're both readable and syndicable, otherwise all the anchor text variations will be wasted anyway. I can't make a living just from article directory traffic and backlinks (and call me a skepchick but neither can almost anybody else, really: they only think they can and/or imagine that other people do :p).
                That makes a lot of sense. Hmm...with this article syndication business, I wondered if a niches susceptibility to having articles syndicated in the first place is a part of your niche selection criteria? In other words, would you say that certain niches are going to be harder to have your articles syndicated than others, perhaps due to conflict of interest? For example, I wonder if in niches like the "get your ex back" niche, whether there are webmasters or ezine publishers who would realistically want "ex back" content?

                Damn, I'm getting that dizzy feeling again!

                :confused:
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                  I've been running around in circles online for a while now, and frankly I'm dizzy.
                  I did when I started, too ... and earned almost nothing for about 4 months because of it. I assumed that all the so-called "article marketing advice" I found online really was "article marketing advice" rather than (as it actually is) purely "article directory marketing advice". :rolleyes:

                  Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                  Hmm...with this article syndication business, I wondered if a niches susceptibility to having articles syndicated in the first place is a part of your niche selection criteria?
                  Yes, it is, to some extent - for exactly the reasons you suggest.

                  Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                  For example, I wonder if in niches like the "get your ex back" niche, whether there are webmasters or ezine publishers who would realistically want "ex back" content?
                  In some niches, I suspect that many of the (otherwise) available high quality niche sites are owned by those with their own commercial motivation, who certainly won't want other people's 400-word "sales articles" on their sites with the words "click here" in their resource boxes.

                  "Writing for clicks" and "writing for syndication" are, at least to some extent, mutually incompatible, though the extent varies from niche to niche.

                  Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                  Damn, I'm getting that dizzy feeling again!
                  Me also ...
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                  • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    In some niches, I suspect that many of the (otherwise) available high quality niche sites are owned by those with their own commercial motivation, who certainly won't want other people's 400-word "sales articles" on their sites with the words "click here" in their resource boxes.
                    I've got this sinking feeling that I'm in such a niche

                    However, I'm reasonably confident I can still gain syndication if I go a little wider in my article topics, and still (hopefully) gain notable benefits all the same.

                    Theory. All theory...

                    o/
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                      Originally Posted by JordanFrancis View Post

                      I've got this sinking feeling that I'm in such a niche
                      Look on the bright side: it will probably only be "such a niche" if people are making money from it (I think) ...
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                      • Profile picture of the author JordanFrancis
                        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                        Look on the bright side: it will probably only be "such a niche" if people are making money from it (I think) ...
                        Abso-bloody-exactly!



                        I must say, I've learned a lot today. The bits from your posts above that I didn't question or comment on may have given me the most benefits of all.
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  • Profile picture of the author greatseoservice
    Thanks Alexa, found that usefull, I didnt thing about the 301 redirect
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Great thread for those interested in how Alexa manages her syndication model.

    One take away from this as you read it and her other postings throughout the forum and that is the fact that she knows how to write and I mean write really well.

    Her style is engaging and very informative....it makes you want to read what she has to say and that is a vital key to success with the syndication model.

    If no one cares to read your content than it is safe to say that no one will care enough to syndicate it.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    For people not good at copywriting I suggest doing the redirect to sales page, plus it cuts out all of the steps the visitor takes. Most inexperienced writers mess up on the presale page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      For people not good at copywriting I suggest doing the redirect to sales page
      First of all, this has nothing to do with "copywriting".

      It's about "content writing".

      Secondly, if you'll excuse the observation, I completely disagree anyway. For people not good at content-writing, I suggest any one of these three things:-

      (i) Become good at content writing;

      (ii) Become good at outsourcing content writing;

      (iii) Become good at finding other avenues of making a living through internet marketing without the need for content writing.

      Direct-linking to sales pages is a very forlorn attempt, with the odds truly and deeply stacked against oneself, for both of these (among other) reasons:-

      (a) It prevents you from building lists (which means you're perhaps aiming for a grand total of about 15% of the "available income" for yourself at the expense of ignoring the other perhaps 85%);

      (b) It prevents you from effective pre-selling (which is the primary determinant of one's success in affiliate marketing).

      In short, with apologies, I'm afraid I simply couldn't disagree more.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Copywriting is the lifeblood of what makes content writers successful. A person that writes pre-sell effectively is using copywriting skills. We are all using copywriting in all words, videos, audio. Has nothing to do with copywriting?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Copywriting is the lifeblood of what makes content writers successful.
      In my opinion, attempted "copywriting" is precisely what makes so many of them unsuccessful.

      As so many have pointed out elsewhere, the single commonest mistake I see affiliate marketers making, in all those threads here in which people ask "What am I doing so wrong?" and give a link to their affiliate niche site, inviting suggestion/observations, is that they're trying to use copywriting rather than content writing.

      Copywriting is for the sales page, not for pre-selling.

      Not only is the distinction between the two fundamental, but failure to appreciate its significance is in fact a primary (and common) cause of failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Copywriting is in every word that we type, whether its pre sale, sales page, video marketing. Our words influence or turn people off. For you to say that copywriting is not used in pre-sell landing pages in incorrect. Jason Fladien clearly points out copywriting is used even in forum posts. How do you think some posts recieve higher views? Hmmm...
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    • Profile picture of the author john newland
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Copywriting is in every word that we type, whether its pre sale, sales page, video marketing. Our words influence or turn people off. For you to say that copywriting is not used in pre-sell landing pages in incorrect. Jason Fladien clearly points out copywriting is used even in forum posts. How do you think some posts recieve higher views? Hmmm...
      Copywriting CAN be in ever word we type, but many people don't do it correctly at first. I have been in sales IRL for 20 years, and some people will never write compelling sales copy. However, if you want to use the review/squeeze page as an example, if you write content from the heart based on your own personal reaction to/use of the product you are reviewing, then post it with a link to the product. Wait for a day, edit what you wrote with an eye to making the content concentrate more on the benefit the buyer might get from the product (ie, if you are really want to lose those love handles). Edit the post daily for 10 days in a row. make only small changes.

      That is how you learn copywriting. Eventually you no longer need the multiple edits, because you are writing that way naturally.

      But please, for the love of [insert name of preferred diety here], don't wait until you learn copywriting before you start. Really learning copywriting is ITERATIVE. You practice and learn by doing in over and over and over and over until you feel it. But you gotta start somewhere, so fake it til you feel it.

      good luck.

      *edit - and have someone help you. so long as your content is not too long, find someone here willing to read and comment. but do it AFTER you have posted some content. Got to get this bus a-movin!
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  • Profile picture of the author Genesis1
    I don't think you will got a lot of traffic which will ends up with sales
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    I think you learn copywriting by how you just explained plus learning from an experienced copywriter.
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