Charlie Sheen schools Hollywood in Internet Marketing

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Tonight, in one fell swoop, Charlie Sheen launched a live Ustream broadcast, promoted only via social media, and ended up with 5% of the February 21st Nielsen rating viewing audience for Two And 1/2 Men by the end of the broadcast -- which has already been posted for replay on the archive server and in less than an hour after the show finished, 4700 replays.

There's 4000 people live in the chat room an hour after the broadcast finished.

He's jumped to 800K Twitter followers in the past few days, and I'd say that he pretty much owns his own channel straight to his audience. He's already got sponsors (other websites) and I think he's hitting a homerun here.

Crazy? Maybe crazy like a fox... or tiger... nevermind...

Sheen's-Korner, Ustream.TV: You're either in Sheen's-Korner or you're with the trolls..
#charlie #hollywood #internet #marketing #schools #sheen
  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I just watched it. Tweeted out the charity in my sig about 20 times.

    It was going by so fast don't think it did much. A lot of people tweeting comments.


    If he gets a little more organized, he might have something there.

    That "show" needs to get a little bit better than that.

    Although, part of the fun is because it's unscripted.


    Maybe he will 'feast on the bones of trolls' yet.


    Gotta keep up the Adonis dna....tigers blood...f18...bitchin rockstar...

    rofl



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  • Profile picture of the author alwayshome
    I missed it. About to go watch it now. Thanks for the reminder.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    These fantastic social media results can only be attributed to the already existing national media attention on these topics. Now if you can get something to go viral without the national media backing you, then you've got mad skills!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChickenMan
    Charlie Seen seems to be all the rage on several forums I visit(non IM btw). I'm still at a loss of what's going on with the guy and why he's so popular all of a sudden.

    The IM thing completely lost me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Charlie Sheen was making $2 million an episode.....key word being "was". I don't think he's schooling anybody, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    He didn't school anyone. He just has a good PR
    firm.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    "Shout out to my children Kassandra, Sam, Lola, Bob and Max ... Daddy loves you and if you're watching tell mom to leave the room... it's on"

    Pure classic stuff their Charlie... Man I like this guy because he keeps it real, even if I don't agree with his partying ways at least he isn't hiding the fact he lives with 2 strippers (or is it 3) and likes to have a good time.

    Great marketing value here...

    PS. Charlie is suing for $350 million buckaroos and I think he'll actually win because of breach of contract.
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  • Profile picture of the author scott33
    charlie sheen is the man!...

    he's the same in real life as he is on the show.. i love that show BTW and i hope it comes back next season
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by scott33 View Post

      charlie sheen is the man!...

      he's the same in real life as he is on the show.. i love that show BTW and i hope it comes back next season
      I like his character on the show, but I don't recall the character ever threatening to kill any of the women he was having sex with, or going off on a drug crazed rant, repeatedly screaming the n-word.

      He's started resembling a drunken, hate spewing Mel Gibson more than the likable party animal he plays on the show. It's pretty sad when you get done laughing at the absurdity of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JuliannaW
    Charlie is the epitome of "not giving a f*ck." He is truly The Wild Thing now.

    ....I always love a good Major League Baseball movie reference. LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by JuliannaW View Post

      Charlie is the epitome of "not giving a f*ck." He is truly The Wild Thing now.

      ....I always love a good Major League Baseball movie reference. LOL.
      Oh yea, I forgot he was in that movie. He really is making everyone watch him now!
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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        Originally Posted by FreshDomains View Post

        Oh yea, I forgot he was in that movie. He really is making everyone watch him now!
        Which means he is making money from the residuals associated from l those viewings.

        For all his wild ways (which I find very humourous) I believe there is a behind the scenes plan that he is now following.

        He is an actor and knows that people love his character on "Two and a Half Men" and is working overtime to connect with that audience (his fans) because he knows what they like and want to see.

        C'mon....Adonis DNA.....and being on the drug called "Charlie Sheen"....it's classic...lol

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  • ok step one, become successful

    step two, act like a 15 year old in high school

    step three, people will love you

    hmmmm... lol

    oh forgot become a drup addict, and get pornstar in hotel, and instead of have hot sex, try to kill her...

    :confused: not a good role model, hopeful he cleans up
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
      It's easy to capture the public's attention when you're a wife-beating, drug addict train wreck. Try being a decent, caring human being and see how quickly you get ignored.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      LMAO...

      This is never gunna end is it?
      The gossip mill is pretty fickle, but no doubt they'll milk it for a while. A big part of what they trade in is shock value. When everyone gets used to his insane behavior (I was going to say "antics", then realized the word might tend to trivialize some of the darker aspects of his story, like his racist rants and assaults on women), the shock value will fade, and they'll move on to the next bad example.

      He got where he is because he's an attractive, charismatic guy, and far more importantly, was born with the right connections. Good looks and charisma can be easily found; the connections are the key. Now he's quickly aging, burning his bridges, and his family can't pull him out of his tailspin. For those that think he's "crazy like a fox", and it's all just good publicity, ask yourself:

      What long term benefits can come from insulting fans, threatening women, screaming the n-word, calling your own golden goose a "pukefest", and bragging about how you can pound 7 gram rocks? I understand that some who admire him as a "bad boy who makes his own rules" are finding this delightful, but you're a small minority.

      The show is popular because most people do enjoy a good "bad boy", but only if he's likable-which, unlike the actor, his character is. He has likely turned off most fans with the mean spirited side of his misbehavior; a side the show's writers were smart enough not to attribute to the main character. He made the classic mistake of people in his privileged position: being born on third base, and then bragging about hitting a triple; assuming they are better than everyone else-in other words, being seduced into megalomania by their own worshipers. He's no less a sad story in the end than Brittany Spears, Michael Jackson, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Making a buzz in internet marketing just by being a super star! That is just about everything, isn't it? Charlie Sheen is the man!

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

    Tonight, in one fell swoop, Charlie Sheen launched a live Ustream broadcast, promoted only via social media, and ended up with 5% of the February 21st Nielsen rating viewing audience for Two And 1/2 Men by the end of the broadcast -- which has already been posted for replay on the archive server and in less than an hour after the show finished, 4700 replays.

    There's 4000 people live in the chat room an hour after the broadcast finished.

    He's jumped to 800K Twitter followers in the past few days, and I'd say that he pretty much owns his own channel straight to his audience. He's already got sponsors (other websites) and I think he's hitting a homerun here.

    Crazy? Maybe crazy like a fox... or tiger... nevermind...

    Sheen's-Korner, Ustream.TV: You're either in Sheen's-Korner or you're with the trolls..

    Yeah ... saw it and if you saw the comments during and after the show, you would see that it #wasnotwinning. lol. A real snooze fest. Looks like he's either a lot funnier on drugs and booze or he really does need a writer for his stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Yeah ... saw it and if you saw the comments during and after the show, you would see that it #wasnotwinning. lol. A real snooze fest. Looks like he's either a lot funnier on drugs and booze or he really does need a writer for his stuff.
      You're not winning!:p

      Originally Posted by Tautology View Post

      A full grown man needing to say Winner every 5 seconds to reinforce his own fragile ego. Did you see him get annoyed when one of his team spoke over him?

      How many people are actually interested in him and how many are just watching to see what he screws up next?
      And neither are you.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        You're not winning!:p
        But geee .... I have tiger pee ... I mean blood and Angelina Jolie DNA
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      • Profile picture of the author Tautology
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        You're not winning!:p



        And neither are you.

        You would rather everyone just legitimised his crazyness? If winning is what Charlie Sheen is doing now (aside from any potential money he is making) who wants that?
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I think it remains to be seen exactly how he monetizes everything. But he said at the very beginning that it was an "experiment".

    The vehicles exist now to do to Hollywood what musicians were able to accomplish with the traditional record industry... busting the stranglehold the labels had on distribution.

    Whether Charlie's show was good, bad, unscripted, disjointed, comedic, genius, awful... he has grown his Twitter account by several hundred thousand over the past few days, and then used it to launch a live video show almost instantaneously without any advance promotion.

    It's not so much "Charlie Sheen" as it is "Someone Leveraging The Model".
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I think it remains to be seen exactly how he monetizes everything. But he said at the very beginning that it was an "experiment".

      The vehicles exist now to do to Hollywood what musicians were able to accomplish with the traditional record industry... busting the stranglehold the labels had on distribution.

      Whether Charlie's show was good, bad, unscripted, disjointed, comedic, genius, awful... he has grown his Twitter account by several hundred thousand over the past few days, and then used it to launch a live video show almost instantaneously without any advance promotion.

      It's not so much "Charlie Sheen" as it is "Someone Leveraging The Model".

      Yeah ... but Michael. Charlie Sheen is a very famous person. Very famous people easily get thousands of Twitter followers or any other kind of followers. In this instance with Charlie Sheen, due to the massive amount of publicity he's gotten from his very public meltdown and antics, he has a million twitter followers who want a front row seat to the trainwreck.

      Judging by all the negative comments, and they were rolling in so fast I could barely read them, this is not a model that I would like to reproduce. He's a freak show. If he manages to hold onto his Twitter following he can get paid via Ad.ly - Celebrity Endorsements in Social Media for commercial Tweets, as Ad.ly - Celebrity Endorsements in Social Media is the site that set up his Twitter account.

      But just a someone trying to duplicate this ... how do you propose that just any someone breaks the Guinness World of Records for getting 1 Million Twitter followers in 25 hours?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Yeah ... but Michael. Charlie Sheen is a very famous person. Very famous people easily get thousands of Twitter followers or any other kind of followers. In this instance with Charlie Sheen, due to the massive amount of publicity he's gotten from his very public meltdown and antics, he has a million twitter followers who want a front row seat to the trainwreck.

        Judging by all the negative comments, and they were rolling in so fast I could barely read them, this is not a model that I would like to reproduce. He's a freak show. If he manages to hold onto his Twitter following he can get paid via Ad.ly - Celebrity Endorsements in Social Media for commercial Tweets, as Ad.ly - Celebrity Endorsements in Social Media is the site that set up his Twitter account.

        But just a someone trying to duplicate this ... how do you propose that just any someone breaks the Guinness World of Records for getting 1 Million Twitter followers in 25 hours?

        It's a different league... a case study in a different level of business - BUT the model itself is apparent.

        Build your Twitter following through organic PR effort. Use your Twitter list to drive real-time traffic to XYZ.

        Sound familiar?
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          It's a different league... a case study in a different level of business - BUT the model itself is apparent.

          Build your Twitter following through organic PR effort. Use your Twitter list to drive real-time traffic to XYZ.

          Sound familiar?
          Yeah ... agree it is a good plan ... just poor implementation in CS's case.
          Sheen's livestream panned on Twitter

          If you're going to do it ... deliver the goods.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    The next time he does it, it will have even more viewers.

    I'm reminded of the line from Howard Stern's movie... "and the people that hate him? They listen to see what he's going to say next..."

    Whether we like Charlie, hate him, think he's crazy, whatever... I cannot think of another celeb with as much of a wide audience who has capitalized upon their followings to go direct and capture their viewing audience.

    Sure, there are celebs with a million Twitter followers - but none of them (at least to my knowledge) are experimenting in turning it into a direct business model like this.

    That's where I think this is BI-WINNING!!

    I mean... if Carl Shay can do his goofy stuff and rock YouTube to how many millions of views of his videos with his wife and kids... albeit they're adorable, why can't celebs disintermediate the current distribution channels and own the audience themselves?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      The next time he does it, it will have even more viewers.

      I'm reminded of the line from Howard Stern's movie... "and the people that hate him? They listen to see what he's going to say next..."

      Whether we like Charlie, hate him, think he's crazy, whatever... I cannot think of another celeb with as much of a wide audience who has capitalized upon their followings to go direct and capture their viewing audience.

      Sure, there are celebs with a million Twitter followers - but none of them (at least to my knowledge) are experimenting in turning it into a direct business model like this.

      That's where I think this is BI-WINNING!!

      I mean... if Carl Shay can do his goofy stuff and rock YouTube to how many millions of views of his videos with his wife and kids... albeit they're adorable, why can't celebs disintermediate the current distribution channels and own the audience themselves?
      I'm not convinced that it is a "business model". Not sure that people watching a train wreck happen can be called "capturing the viewing audience" in a real sense. We'll see how it pans out, but he lost viewers as quickly as he gained them last night.

      The show was clearly unrehearsed and many of the comments running along the side of the stream and on Twitter were pointing out this fact.

      "Thanks to Charlie Sheen for showing the importance of interviewers, producers and editors in painful real time tonight," wrote @cdhook.

      "Oh, no, Charlie Sheen is losing it live on Ustream! What did he do? He made a boring show with fart noises. I'm going to watch CSI instead," @EdDale, another Twitter user, wrote.

      Sheen passed around a tray full of cigarettes and candy to his helpers and smoked two himself.

      He also drank from four different sources including the tiger blood, an unlabelled water bottle, a sippy cup containing a green liquid and a mug.

      He was visibly sweaty.

      Near the end of the show, Sheen announced, "I'm not bipolar, I'm bi-winning."

      Then he insulted viewers for their negative comments on Twitter, calling them trolls and adding, "Here's the bottom line, you're still watching. You're watching us, we're not watching you."

      His show ended with, "This is how we're going to go out every night: Trolls. . ." before the live broadcast cut off.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Michael,

        In my opinion, there are far better lessons for warriors to learn from studying the business models used by anonymous, under the radar types than people who trade on their name and face.

        For every well known superstar, there are handfuls of agents and people in licensing, merchandising and finance who are the real superstars in terms of smart business.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkMOZ
    800k? More like nearly 2 million.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Don't disagree at all. I am simply pointing out an interesting marketing case study as it is unfolding in real time, which involves the strategies that many people here are trying to leverage for their own purposes.

    I'm interested in marketing for the sake of marketing, regardless of who is attached to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Michael,

      It's just that when you posted further down in response to sbucciarel, you said this -

      It's not so much "Charlie Sheen" as it is "Someone Leveraging The Model".
      ...and...

      Build your Twitter following through organic PR effort. Use your Twitter list to drive real-time traffic to XYZ.

      Sound familiar?
      I think that it being Charlie Sheen is the most important factor for people to remember, when you put it in the context of examining what he has done in order for warriors to apply the lessons to their own businesses.

      There are more than likely a myriad of things going on behind the scenes that involve vast amounts of finance, that most warriors will never know about. This guy is currently one of the hottest properties in worldwide MSM (and this was the case leading up to his twitter and ustream events.) Most warriors simply cannot emulate that, which means that it's likely that many of the 'lessons' will actually be irrelevant.

      They could be observing more useful and appropriate things in the meantime, rather than following the sensationalist nonsense of this train wreck which is obviously manufactured and promoted purely for the herd to ingest and gossip about.

      Those licensing guys and merchandisers I referred to - are they using ustream and twitter? Perhaps not, because they are not Charlie Sheen and probably wouldn't trade places with him.

      For myself, one of the most important lessons on my journey was understanding that it's vital that I allow many of the trends and sensational stuff to pass me by so that I can clearly focus on what matters, what is relevant to me and what is evergreen.

      With the utmost respect, you may be able to afford to stop and examine this as an interesting spectacle with a few lessons hidden within. But does that apply to warriors in general? Is superstar level train-wreck leverage relevant to the majority?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemac1
    Michael - I totally agree, I'm not really a Charlie Sheen fan but he was already the highest paid actor on TV in the U.S. @ $2 million an episode (and he did 20 episodes this TV season).

    And now in the past week with his 'controversy(ies),' he's built an incredible social media platform and gained a ton of leverage if he wants to get his show back or move on to another show.

    Look at what happened with Conan O'Brien and how strong social media reacted to his 'firing' from the Tonight Show and helped him build a huge platform where he got incredible leverage for his new show and it seems that Charlie Sheen is taking what Conan did to another level...I give him (or who ever is advising him) a lot of marketing credit.
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  • It really depends how he utilizes this opportunity.

    At the moment, it seems he basically wants to have a channel to 'get back' at people he disagrees with. While the first broadcast was like that, if that is all he does, people will quickly lose interest & support.

    However, if he leverages the existing audience, and actually puts together a coherent plan, it could be quite powerful.

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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      I have to say that I can think of half a dozen ways to monetize this stuff without even trying! Personally, I think that Rick Calamaro doesn't know what he's doing and is screwing the whole thing up and I don't think that there is any industry marketing firm that would know how to handle this stuff. I would match him up with Caliban, fuel the whole thing with mass quantities of Absinthe and see where the whole thing rockets off to.

      Think about it this way... this guy has singlehandedly OWNED the word "WINNING" and he's just barely gotten rolling. But without some direction the whole thing will be a hiccup...
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Dunno Roger. I'm just commenting on the marketing relevance for the sake of marketing.

    Case studies are just that... case studies. Take from them what you will.

    I don't disagree with the points that you're raising... just recognize that you're contributing to the ongoing value of even approaching the subject by simply raising the questions themselves.

    Hence, further emphasizing the value of a case study.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Wow ... what is this? LOL.

    Intolerable to watch, from start to finish (not that I sat all the way through it).

    I feel almost as sad as I did when witnessing Tom Cruise's antics on Oprah, and then seeing one of his Scientology video interviews. The guy was just hyperactive and rambled on about nothing - much like Charlie Sheen is doing here.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      Wow ... what is this? LOL.

      Intolerable to watch, from start to finish (not that I sat all the way through it).

      I feel almost as sad as I did when witnessing Tom Cruise's antics on Oprah, and then seeing one of his Scientology video interviews. The guy was just hyperactive and rambled on about nothing - much like Charlie Sheen is doing here.
      Yeah ... he is a currently unemployed actor in the midst of a real meltdown. His kids were removed from the house by police, he has a history of abusing drugs, alcohol and women and he has deluded himself into believing that 1 Million Twitter followers are his friends when they are actually 1 M people who want to be first in line to see the craziness happening in real time.

      His PR man quit, his lawyers advised him to stop giving interviews and he comes up with this pathetic ploy for attention called Sheen's Korner. Apparently no one advised him of the dangers of Twitter backfiring on him, which it obviously did during his "show" when the streams of negative comments came pouring in .... he chalked it all up to those who criticized him as being "trolls". Yep ... he's #winning alright.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I for one like it when people think outside the box.

    Sure that stream last night was pretty bad...unscripted and impromptu.

    But I always love the stone throwers, the kick em when their down people.

    I'm on Charlies side until he gives up on himself, just like I would be for anyone.

    He seems to be using the manic energy from coming down to at least try and do something to to "fix" things.


    Exrat has a point though, he has contacts and resources that most of us can't imagine let alone put to use. But it is still a good lesson in falling down and at least trying to get back up. That is IM.

    He also has the riches the looks and the fame to get himself into a lot of trouble, and now is trying to use what's left to get back in the game.
    He isn't the first nor will he be the last to succumb to money and fame.

    As far as the woman in his life "hell has no fury like a woman scorned", and I'll leave it at that. In my opinion the way they took his kids (on the word of a drug user herself) stinks and maybe illegal.





    Some people don't realize at one time he was a pretty good baseball player.
    Here is a video of him at Dodger Stadium..(something wasn't right at the utube link...maybe on my side) a couple of years ago during the shoot for Major League.


    Charlie its a homer



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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    winning and plan better. right? this was quite entertaining...

    When I was watching it on uStream, it peaked at like 107000 viewers, I think...
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I dunno... the whole azzholio arrogant bad boy image has worked for decades for rock star after rock star.

    Spitting on fans, insulting them, misogyny, bigotry, et al.

    No... he's not trying to appeal to Josh Groban listeners.

    Bad boy images appeal to Gene Simmons fans.

    It's the whole, "My kid beat up your honor student" bumper sticker segment.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    For the people that say Charlie Sheen is pathetic I understand your reasoning. I like the guy because he is at least honest. We know what he is about and he is ok with himself. He is a great actor so I don't have any bad words to say about him.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I may not know about a lot of things.

    But I know a WHOLE LOT about marketing... including entertainment marketing.

    And I will be one of the very first to tell you "I told you so".

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I may not know about a lot of things.

      But I know a WHOLE LOT about marketing... including entertainment marketing.

      And I will be one of the very first to tell you "I told you so".

      Nearly 75K applications already submitted for TeamSheen social media intern - National Technology | Examiner.com
      Yes ... actually, choosing Charlie Sheen as the celeb to do their tweeting was a good move for internships.com. He got paid to make that tweet.

      On Wednesday, March 9, Internships.com, which is working with Sheen (the Tweets are paid-for endorsements) released some interesting statistics.
      So instead of being paid 1.8 Million per episode he is now lost custody of his kids, is unemployed, is viewed largely as having lost his mind, will probably have a rough time getting another serious role until his mental/addiction/whatever he has condition is under control.

      He gave yet another interview stating that he is unraveling, losing his mind and his lawyers want to come to his house to remove bullets from it ... apparently they think he could self-destruct at any time.

      He will be paid around 1 M per year for those endorsements on Twitter. That will hardly keep him in estates and fancy cars. He spent 1 M on cars for the week he was in rehab.

      Sorry ... still not convinced that there is anything brilliant about what Charlie Sheen is going through. I feel badly for him and would love to see him get his life together.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Yes ... actually, choosing Charlie Sheen as the celeb to do their tweeting was a good move for internships.com. He got paid to make that tweet.



        So instead of being paid 1.8 Million per episode he is now lost custody of his kids, is unemployed, is viewed largely as having lost his mind, will probably have a rough time getting another serious role until his mental/addiction/whatever he has condition is under control.

        He gave yet another interview stating that he is unraveling, losing his mind and his lawyers want to come to his house to remove bullets from it ... apparently they think he could self-destruct at any time.

        He will be paid around 1 M per year for those endorsements on Twitter. That will hardly keep him in estates and fancy cars. He spent 1 M on cars for the week he was in rehab.

        Sorry ... still not convinced that there is anything brilliant about what Charlie Sheen is going through. I feel badly for him and would love to see him get his life together.

        Here's the rub.

        Outside of his inner circle of business advisors... you have no idea whether or not anything that he has done (or is doing) is or isn't contrived and orchestrated.

        People forget that Charlie Sheen is first and foremost AN ACTOR, a really good one coming from a line of extremely good actors... who have been capable of playing angst-ridden, dark roles with tremendous success. So you don't know if Charlie is high, or if he's acting high.

        You don't know if pulling a crazy stunt that resulted in the kids getting yanked by the cops wasn't orchestrated in advance. Remember the balloon boy that hid in the attic while the national media sensationalized the runaway balloon? Even amateurs are capable of involving emergency services in their PR stunts. That's old school.

        And instead of the "silver screen" being a single destination, one could look at internet and media culture to have evolved into a very distributed stage of sorts... where (scripted) reality programming transcends beyond the limitations of a single device in the living room that presents a 1/2 hour-long laugh track at a specific time on a specific day.

        I see a fairly well executed series of PR fomentations that have resulted in the extremely focused construction of a self-directed media/PR machine outside of the control of the studio system (which every actor/actress hates, but understands that it has been a necessary evil... till now...)

        You see the loss of $2 million per episode from CBS. I see people like John Ham and Brad Hunstable, and Marc Cuban all standing in to fill the void in such a way that will make $2 million per episode look like the lunch budget.

        There was a day and time when Howard Stern was regarded as the idiot shock jock who had no value. Now he owns a major chunk of Sirius.

        Too much has gone "right" in all of this to simply be lucky breaks at the hands of a madman.

        And his daily views... at present pace... will blow away the audience ratings of 2 & 1/2 Men, which at last Nielsen rating on Feb 21 had 5 million weekly viewers for a single 1/2 hour episode event.

        http://www.ustream.tv/charliesheen

        As of 5:37 pm EST today, he's at roughly 4,000,000 individual views of his videos in 4 days.

        People are incorporating his phrases into their vocabulary. DUH! WINNING!

        He's drawn the lines of us-vs.-them and clearly attracting a tribe.

        My guess is that his business team already has a very good idea about what to do with that tribe.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          Here's the rub.

          Outside of his inner circle of business advisors... you have no idea whether or not anything that he has done (or is doing) is or isn't contrived and orchestrated.
          It has been reported that his lawyers have begged him to STFU. I also heard on a video a conversation he was having with a "friend" who seemed to be begging him to STFU and get out of the public. His PR man, of course, just quit, rather than watch the train wreck.

          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          You don't know if pulling a crazy stunt that resulted in the kids getting yanked by the cops wasn't orchestrated in advance. Remember the balloon boy that hid in the attic while the national media sensationalized the runaway balloon? Even amateurs are capable of involving emergency services in their PR stunts. That's old school.
          Yeah, and they went to jail for that stunt ... and Charlie lost his kids, who he says are the most important thing in his life.

          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          You see the loss of $2 million per episode from CBS. I see people like John Ham and Brad Hunstable, and Marc Cuban all standing in to fill the void in such a way that will make $2 million per episode look like the lunch budget.
          We'll see who picks him up and what they offer in compensation. Right now, he's just an unemployed actor with an impending divorce that if it costs the same as his others, will run around 40 Million. The only definite gig he has right now is the ad.ly income from his paid tweets.

          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          Too much has gone "right" in all of this to simply be lucky breaks at the hands of a madman.

          And his daily views... at present pace... will blow away the audience ratings of 2 & 1/2 Men, which at last Nielsen rating on Feb 21 had 5 million weekly viewers for a single 1/2 hour episode event.
          I fail to see anything that has gone right about this. Yahoo ... 2 M followers on Twitter and thousands of views on his now closed Sheen's Korner ... all from people waiting to see the meltdown first hand. It is curiosity ... not a paying job. But the newspapers are doing well with all the views their getting from their stories.

          Did you happen to actually watch this episode of Sheen's Korner? I watched them all. I also read the twitter stream as they were playing and the overwhelming amount of comments were negative, ranging from comments like "that's an hour of my life I'd like to have back" to "I wish somebody would help him ... he's losing it" etc.

          Sheen's Korner Ep 3: Torpedoes of Truth Part 2, Sheen's Corner Episode 3: Torpedoes of Truth Part 2 March 7th, 2011 wytv on USTREAM. Comedy
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    LMAO that video was hilarious..

    I wonder if he has someone helping him figure out all this SMM or did he just start doing it on his own?

    I bet somebody went to him and said "Look, if you want to revive your career, here's how to do it with social media... step 1 - make a huge scene with negative publicity... step 2 - sign up for twitter - step 3 ustream..."
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  • Profile picture of the author hotseochick
    Just in case some one has been in the dark about Charlie Sheen, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpFKgEYbJzA a nice little mashup of all his craziness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Whether he did it on purpose or not... someone COULD do something similar on purpose and make some serious dough from it thats for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    And the other thing that I find EXTREMELY interesting is that CBS News is now broadcasting live on Ustream.

    And...

    There's a big banner ad promoting another show for Fleischer's Universe... with "after Sheen's-Korner" printed right on the ad.

    Things that make you say... hmmmm....

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    So, then you're Hypothesis is that this is not something CS cooked up, but maybe something that CBS and CS cooked up to BOOST interest in the show? I could see that.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    At this point, it's all on the table. But it smells a lot more orchestrated than a crazy guy getting lucky.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Salfen
    It's painful watching one of my favorite actors self-destruct live in front of a world audience.

    Normally I'd find his honesty refreshing, but I doubt it's coming from a healthy world-view.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Well, with only a few likely outcomes, it will be easy to tell if it was NOT orchestrated. But if it was, it will likely fall into the conspiracy theory category unless someone spills the beans.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    His channel isn't closed.

    And you have no idea what is truth and what is fiction coming from a town and an industry built solely upon creating an illusion.

    I've been in enough conversations to know that Occam's Razor simply doesn't apply - because in Hollywood, there's a million conspiracies all going on for the same purpose... creating attention... getting eyeballs... getting an angle on something...

    I've also watched every single one of his videos... and I see a whole bunch of positive as well. Sure, there's a lot of negative. But there are tons of counter-culture types who have bought in lock stock and barrel. DUH! WINNING!

    He clearly isn't trying to appeal to everyone either. He's targeting a specific market and playing to that market.

    In fact, there are so many marketing fundamentals all over what he's doing, it's the very thing that fuels my opinion.

    Targeting a specific audience
    Creating a specific vocabulary
    Defining lines of the group (us vs. them)

    etc... the list goes on

    I know that it's cool and all to dismiss it - but there's simply far too much there, I've seen far too much in all of this... he's an everyday household word... on magazine covers...

    He's clearly cutting deals with websites. Product placement.

    Eyeballs are an amazing thing when your business is creating eyeballs.

    Again, I am not saying that it's definite.

    I'm saying that there are far too many things wired together here for it to all just be a bunch of craziness coming from an insane person.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      His channel isn't closed.
      He filmed his "last" episode night before last <<< his words.

      We're not going to agree. I see a drug addict and alcoholic self-destructing. You see marketing genius.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        He filmed his "last" episode night before last <<< his words.

        We're not going to agree. I see a drug addict and alcoholic self-destructing. You see marketing genius.

        I don't know that "he" is the marketing genius vs. someone else in the mix.

        He could simply be the organ grinder's monkey all over again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      And you have no idea what is truth and what is fiction coming from a town and an industry built solely upon creating an illusion.
      Very true.

      And here are the things I think about...

      "Reality" shows remain popular. Unscripted (but probably often creatively edited) and relatively cheap to produce. People like watching train wrecks on TV. Look at The Jerry Springer Show. Look at any "reality" programming. There also appears to be no end in sight.

      Charlie Sheen's character on Two and a Half Men was modeled around him. It's, what?, the top-rated comedy on CBS? And, now, freaking reruns are beating new programs on other networks. So, even though there are no new episodes, people are still tuning in to watch the show.

      Imagine what the ratings would be like next fall if Charlie Sheen is back on the show.

      He's up to, I think, over 2 million followers on Twitter now. He's staying in the tabloids and other media. He's building a large following. Heck, I was flipping channels earlier this week, and came across an hour-long program (I watched maybe five minutes of it) talking about Charlie and guessing at his mental health.

      Meanwhile, Jon Cryer does appearances on Ellen and Conan and those videos make the rounds too.

      Two actresses from the show have released positive statements about Charlie. Jon Cryer remains silent. Charlie wants Chuck Lorre out, but then later is willing to work with him again. And so on. There's a whole narrative here. Keeps things buzzing.

      Thirty-one years ago, all summer long, people were wondering "Who shot J.R.?" What show are they going to be talking about this summer? They'll be wondering if Charlie will be back, if the show will be back, who could replace Charlie, and so on.

      Maybe it's all just a perfect storm. Or, maybe it was planned that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author rockinsnipe159
    He has ruined the Two and a half Men show now that he got himself fired.
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    He has official hot topic ts now.
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