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Two FREE Million Dollar TIPs - for NOOBS

by goindeep
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TIP #1

Here it is in BLACK n white.

Dont get into the MMO "make money online" niche.

Thats all.

You are wasting your time, your money, your energy and everyone else's too.

Understand this:

People want to learn from other successful people. If i where a newbie and i once was, i would want to learn from Frank Kern not some dude making less than me with a slower internet connection.

If you want to learn how to drive an F1. Would you want to learn from the kid down the street who's dad owns a V8 or from Michael Schumacher?

If you wanted to learn how to play ball. Would you want to learn from your mate who plays on NBA jam on the PS3 or from the man himself, Kobey Bryant?

What you are actually doing also is, you are insulting people's intelligence. You are saying 'im successful' but your results say otherwise. People arnt stupid.

Its easy to fall into this trap as a newbie. Why? Because all of the people you read about, all of the people that inspire you and all of the people that you want to be like DO IT. They are in the MMO niche.

Save yourself the hassle.

Chillax.

There are millions of other niches. Your an expert in a few actually. You just need to figure out which ones and then go and do that. One very logical and common sense approach i find works well is to do this little excercise.

TIP #2

Ask yourself:

What am I good at? And what do I like?

= Your niche.

Easy.

Good-luck.

-Andrei
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I don't agree. You don't have to be an expert to make money in the MMO niche. There are plenty of people who sell services, programs and tutorials that teach people how to do certain things so they can get started making money online - setting up squeeze pages, list building, etc. You don't have to be an expert to do that kind of stuff.

    And remember, there was always a time when people like Kern were not experts.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I don't agree. You don't have to be an expert to make money in the MMO niche. There are plenty of people who sell services, programs and tutorials that teach people how to do certain things so they can get started making money online - setting up squeeze pages, list building, etc. You don't have to be an expert to do that kind of stuff.

      And remember, there was always a time when people like Kern were not experts.
      Point taken.

      Maybe i should have been more precise. But the logic still stands.
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    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I don't agree. You don't have to be an expert to make money in the MMO niche. There are plenty of people who sell services, programs and tutorials that teach people how to do certain things so they can get started making money online - setting up squeeze pages, list building, etc. You don't have to be an expert to do that kind of stuff.

      And remember, there was always a time when people like Kern were not experts.
      Look at the big picture, Will! To setup a squeeze page or know how to create a hyperlink doesn't need you to be an expert, but if you want them to work in the internet marketing world, you have to know how all these work together, then your expertise come in help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
    I agree with you for the most part. And following on from what Will said, you can perhaps be in the IM market... but don't try and TEACH methods when you're not actually successful yourself. Be involved in other ways, although I wouldn't even recommend that as your first project.That happens a lot.

    And Frank Kern probably wasn't a great example considering he first started out in the MMO niche despite not actually having any experience himself!
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  • Profile picture of the author vsky
    I loathe when people teach people how to make money online, when the only reason they are making money online to teaching people to make money online.. lol yeah..
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    It's interesting that you mention Michael Schumacher, who has cheated to win world championships (and has admitted he'd do things differently nowadays). The others you mentioned have had a few problems themselves, so hardly good role models. I wouldn't want to learn from them.

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    • Profile picture of the author birdman87
      On the whole I agree with this post a lot. One of the things I love about IM is that anybody can make it happen.

      Before IM the only succesfull business I'd worked in was a self development niche. I was saying things to people like 'you can have what you want', 'you can do what you love' and 'anythings possible'. Although I believed this stuff I also wanted to prove to myself that anybody really can. Rather than being the ideal proof that the great lifes possible by being a Guru, I wanted a real life business that wasn't anything to do with working with people. Anyone can pick up a laptop, sign up to an affiliate network or adsense account and go on the forums and make money with hard work.

      I have a pet peeve for that stuff as well. It also annoys me when somebodies doing their long copy sales page, telling me about how they're going to teach me some amazing secret about marketing and then doing the most obvious marketing influence techniques on me without any subtlety or tact at all. It's a bit patronising.

      I really did have doubts when I first got into this. Why is the MMO niche soooo ridiculously saturated? I thought it must be because that was where the money was and there was no money elsewhere. It nearly put me off.

      Learning from the very best through an ebook or audio course isn't the fastest way to success I know of though. If somebody wans success realy fast, go to somebody who's a good person already succesfull (doesn't have to be a millionaire) and find some way to give value back to him/her. Find a way how you can sit down with the person and do it with them and learn through doing it and watching. If i was knew someone that was nearby and succesfull at the side of IM i'm interested in, and they were willing to do it, I would work hard for them for free for as long as it takes until I knew the whole process intimately.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      It's interesting that you mention Michael Schumacher, who has cheated to win world championships (and has admitted he'd do things differently nowadays). The others you mentioned have had a few problems themselves, so hardly good role models. I wouldn't want to learn from them.

      Glenn with two n's
      Im stunned.

      Seriously? Are you posting just for the sake of posting or are you just hating on people?

      If you are human, you have issues. Lots of them.

      Im not a religious person but ive heard and read that even Jesus had his issues!

      As humans we all have aches, pains, passions, wants, needs, beliefs, crazy family, toxic reationships yada yada yada.... and these things can manifest in ways that you wouldnt believe.
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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Im stunned.

        Seriously? Are you posting just for the sake of posting or are you just hating on people?

        If you are human, you have issues. Lots of them.

        Im not a religious person but ive heard and read that even Jesus had his issues!

        As humans we all have aches, pains, passions, wants, needs, beliefs, crazy family, toxic reationships yada yada yada.... and these things can manifest in ways that you wouldnt believe.
        I don't see why you should be stunned. You mentioned people who I gave an opinion on. If you did some research, you'll see that their histories are hardly ones to be proud of. Yes they have bounced back, but I'd never use these people as role models, I could reel off a list of better ones (but I'm not going to bother). You don't know me, so to put you straight, I don't hate people at all.

        It's interesting that you mentioned a 2000 year old bloke, that at the time wasn't well known. There were better known prophets at the time who were being written about by the very few people that could actually write. A lot of the stories of Jesus were written 100's of years later, not by eye witnesses. So fo course the folklaw stories will change from teller to teller. could go on for ages about this topic, but I don't want to offend people, and this isn't the right place for it. We will never truly know what Jesus was really like.

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  • Profile picture of the author theultimate1
    Apart from content writing and online marketing (not MMO), I'm yet to find my passion areas. Does that mean I shouldn't be entering other niches?
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Of course you should be entering other niches.

      Only you can decide what business you decide to enter.

      id stick with the copy writing if thats what you like.
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      • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        TIP #1

        Here it is in BLACK n white.

        Dont get into the MMO "make money online" niche.

        Thats all.

        You are wasting your time, your money, your energy and everyone else's too.

        Understand this:

        People want to learn from other successful people. If i where a newbie and i once was, i would want to learn from Frank Kern not some dude making less than me with a slower internet connection.

        If you want to learn how to drive an F1. Would you want to learn from the kid down the street who's dad owns a V8 or from Michael Schumacher?

        If you wanted to learn how to play ball. Would you want to learn from your mate who plays on NBA jam on the PS3 or from the man himself, Kobey Bryant?

        What you are actually doing also is, you are insulting people's intelligence. You are saying 'im successful' but your results say otherwise. People arnt stupid.

        Its easy to fall into this trap as a newbie. Why? Because all of the people you read about, all of the people that inspire you and all of the people that you want to be like DO IT. They are in the MMO niche.

        Save yourself the hassle.

        Chillax.

        There are millions of other niches. Your an expert in a few actually. You just need to figure out which ones and then go and do that. One very logical and common sense approach i find works well is to do this little excercise.

        TIP #2

        Ask yourself:

        What am I good at? And what do I like?

        = Your niche.

        Easy.

        Good-luck.

        -Andrei

        I disagree. I don't want to be learning from the guy whose forgotten more than some people will ever know, as he'll inevitably forget to tell me what he's forgotten. I learn to do by doing, and I'd rather build my business right alongside the people who are facing the same battles I am, and together, each helping each other find solutions. After all, a practical application is the best teacher.

        In addition, making money is making money. Online, offline, in a suit, or in your birthday suit, the principles of business, marketing and salesmanship never change.


        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        I don't agree. You don't have to be an expert to make money in the MMO niche. There are plenty of people who sell services, programs and tutorials that teach people how to do certain things so they can get started making money online - setting up squeeze pages, list building, etc. You don't have to be an expert to do that kind of stuff.


        And remember, there was always a time when people like Kern were not experts.

        Or to interview an expert, give away a free report, or sell it cheap, to build a list and affiliate with other products in that IM sub-niche.

        And, no matter how much or how little you know, there is always someone who knows less or more than you do.

        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Point taken.

        Maybe i should have been more precise. But the logic still stands.

        Not to me. I have only JUST learned how to customize WP blogs, but I've got a JV partner that does that. No reason I can't sell that and share profits with her.


        Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

        Fully 100% agree w/OP.

        GTFO of the MMO niche asap if you plan on being successful (I mean 'really' successful) for the long term. There's things you don't know that you don't know yet. You're swimming w/sharks who want nothing more than to see your demise and not come close to their status. Come back to mmo when you know wtf you're doing from at least a few bigger successful campaigns under your belt outside the niche targeting normal dick/jane consumer.
        Again, I disagree. I first started out writing articles, making videos, and writing sales letters for pay. In 2010, I wrote a guide on how to do that and sold it right here on WF, to raving reviews.

        I didn't know everything about IM at the time. I knew I could pay for an ad to sell a book here and the readers of the ad were buyers.

        Six months, and a few more guides later, I STILL don't know everything about IM, but I knew how to make friends, and how to spot what people wanted, and I managed to recruit 10 JV partners in 7 days to form a mastermind group that is still together to this day. We have done group adswaps, and several products were created out of JV's from within our group.

        I still don't know everything there is to know, or everyone there is to know for that matter, and I doubt even Frank Kern does.

        You don't have to be an 'expert' to find a process or a system that works for you, and then write about (or otherwise document) your experience and leverage that documentation to make sales, or new contacts on a list, or through partners or affiliates.

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        • Profile picture of the author goindeep
          Originally Posted by DanielleS View Post

          I disagree. I don't want to be learning from the guy whose forgotten more than some people will ever know, as he'll inevitably forget to tell me what he's forgotten. I learn to do by doing, and I'd rather build my business right alongside the people who are facing the same battles I am, and together, each helping each other find solutions. After all, a practical application is the best teacher.


          -Dani
          You need to go back and re-read the original post. I clearly state "Dont get into the MMO niche". I did not say the linking niche, or the seo niche, or the blogging niche, or the copy niche....

          Im talking about the basis of teaching how to make money online.

          The foundation and irrevocable core of teaching MMO is having done it before therfore being able to teach it. Its not that hard to understand, really. Having made money online means you can now teach it. Im not talking about copy writing, seo or social marketing. Yet they are all modules of making money online.

          If they can build a list of 50,000+ thats awesome. Taking that list and monetizing it like a mo-fo is another thing.

          If they can build a list of 50,000 they might not be newbies.

          You dont want to learn from those that have "forgotten". Sorry thats a non-argument. Its extremely subjective, id need to see some proof of this theory before even considering your argument.

          Let me use an analogy.

          Say you want to become a builder. You want to build and sell homes. The goal is to build 100 homes in your first year, 200 in your third year and then level it out at 500 homes per year within ten years.

          You can learn from the bricklayer about laying bricks, and you can learn from the plumber about laying pipes and hooking up gas. You can even learn from the electrician about wiring the home up. But neither of these tradies can show you how to become a master builder. Thats a fact. because the plumbers certificate says he has a gas and water license, not a license to build and sell homes.

          Sure you can take bits and pieces from each trade and then go and learn from an accountant, a lawyer, a sales person, a strategist and a marketer the rest of your education or you can be guided and schooled by a Master Builder who has been where you are and is where you want to get.

          ATM im doing a management course. The course is full of people just like me, they want us to socialise and offer each-other help, they even hold one session which is all about helping one another to problem solve. Learning from one another.

          However..

          The course is run by a lady who has a masters degree in psychology, she has worked with some of the nations top federal and local police, she has personally guided and mentored some of our best constables, senior constables, sargeants, senior sargeants, commanders and worked directly with the assistant commissioners office for over a decade.

          Teaching these people how to manage staff, use emotional intelligence and to build goals for themselves which get them where they want to be.

          The lady also brings along to each session one person from within our global network who has achieved executive status. These people talk to us, give us their story, their ideas, we then have an open forum with them where we can pick their brains.

          Each month we also have a one on one with the course leader about practical tasks we can use in our day to day jobs to get things done and move towards our goals.

          The reason people like those mentioned above run these courses is because they know what they are doing they have 'mastered' certain criteria and can now confidently teach what they know.

          Scientists have proven that it takes the human brain 10,000 hours to master certain tasks that require a level of skill.

          Id happily pay for a module on how to build a list or get thousands of backlinks or use adwords if it was run by a newbie that could prove he has done those things. But what im talking about here is MMO - Making Money Online. Or .. Building houses as opposed to laying bricks.

          Hope that makes more sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author dgridley
    I have never met anyone I couldn't learn something from or met a "guru" who knew everything.. sometimes there is a fresh perspective that needs to be looked at.
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    • Profile picture of the author WhamSoft
      Hi,

      I'm glad I didn't pay the retail price for those tips

      I understand your point and yes if your not making money you really shouldn't try to teach others how to do it, but...

      Anyone with enough time, effort and determination can become a expert in just about anything online. On the journey to expert status in your chosen subject you should see a fair bit of money along the way, even in the early stages you have gained lots of experience and you can sell this experience to others.

      You don't have to make a million to sell a guide on how to make your first $100

      If you can make or have made $1, $10, $50, $100 or any amount you can sell this information to others.

      Don't wait forever to become a expert, you can sell what you've learned along the way.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    You mention putting in 10K hours? Why can't someone do that? They can become an expert if they do this so what is the advice to not go into MMO?!
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

      You mention putting in 10K hours? Why can't someone do that? They can become an expert if they do this so what is the advice to not go into MMO?!

      Im not sure i understand what your asking? Could you re-phrase the question please?
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigRC
    Agree fully. You left out a few that I've had noticed from both clients and experimentation:

    1. MMO tends to have higher refund rates across the board versus other traditional mainstream evergreen niches.

    2. MMO suffers from a large network of multiple forums whose sole intent is to steal your WSO/content/product and distribute it to their members for free. We're talking six-figure-memberships here...it certainly can have an impact.

    3. MMO clients grow extreme levels of product cynicism/skepticism shortly after entering the industry, usually after being burned by falsely-advertised MMO blind sales pages or push-button software pitches. This makes them more wary and resistent to even high levels of copywriting/proof.

    4. In MMO your particular traffic-generating system, or advertising system, or whatever particular skill you hang your hat on as an authority figure can be switched off overnight.

    A quick glance at all the article marketing warriors currently running WSOs on the subject rushing to their sales letters this week and placing bold "DON'T WORRY, WAYS TO TACKLE GOOGLE'S EZA SLAP ARE FULLY COVERED" near the top of the page show just how tempermental IM techniques really are. An "expert" one day can be obsolete the next.

    5. MMO clients need more hand-holding and customer service than other evergreen niches, particularly in the areas of implementing techniques that require software installation, forms, linking routines, or other complicated methods.

    The guy selling a dating/seduction guide doesn't have to worry about whether his audience is understanding Google's PR-rating system combined with backlink link tiers combined with multiple feeder pages combined with whatever else is packed into a generic first-timer IM manual...etc etc.

    After witnessing firsthand some spectacular successes in the IM niche combined with far more massive failures, it's not a segment I recommend to new students any longer unless they're extremely passionate about it and bring something new to the table.

    Just too easy to sell the next great "pet-training" manual or "acne-solution" guide instead.

    And as Andrei said so well, everyone is an expert at something. Best to tackle that first before moving to areas that you're not so well versed in.

    Write what you know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Makes sense Andrei, the reason why I dont want to engage in the money making niche myself. How can I talk about earning so much and suggest products, when I dont earn the money I said I earned? This is simply saying that you wont succeed in a niche you really dont have the expertise in it.

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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by Andrea Wilson View Post

      Makes sense Andrei, the reason why I dont want to engage in the money making niche myself. How can I talk about earning so much and suggest products, when I dont earn the money I said I earned? This is simply saying that you wont succeed in a niche you really dont have the expertise in it.

      Andrea
      That's exactly right Andrea. There are a lot of things wrong with that idea, not to mention its unethical.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Andrei,

      Having made money online means you can now teach it.
      So everyone's a good teacher, as long as they have made money?

      Hi TheAnnoyingOrange,

      To become an expert you only need to know more than your customers/followers.

      Therefore all you need to do is prove that you have made money online (without lying) and then sell your method.

      This is part of the MMO niche because you're showing people how to make money.
      No, you're showing people how you made money.

      This is why part of the MMO/self-development niche is to go deeper into how people in general can be successful in many different areas, rather than just 'how to make money'.

      Success is not just about 'making money' or 'having money.' Ask Charlie Sheen.

      Almost anyone can make 'some money' online if they persist and apply the basics and this is the area that is saturated with blueprints and lessons.

      But can they hang onto that money? Do they use it wisely? Do they re-invest and leverage it in order to re-position themselves? Does it grow exponentially? Is it evergreen or viral or automated?

      It's everything else that comes afterwards that seperates the one group from the other and therefore has more value.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Andrei,

        So everyone's a good teacher, as long as they have made money?
        Yes and no. You have taken only a tiny part of my reply for critique.

        Yes because its a massive part of being able to teach. Having done and experienced that which the student is about to do and experience.

        And no because, thats not all... Thats all you get.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheAnnoyingOrange
    To become an expert you only need to know more than your customers/followers.

    Therefore all you need to do is prove that you have made money online (without lying) and then sell your method.

    This is part of the MMO niche because you're showing people how to make money.

    EDIT: I do agree that people who don't make any money online or claim to make $xx,xxx per month but only make $xxx shouldn't lie to try and sell products but instead either not enter the niche or be upfront and honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by TheAnnoyingOrange View Post

      To become an expert you only need to know more than your customers/followers.

      Therefore all you need to do is prove that you have made money online (without lying) and then sell your method.

      This is part of the MMO niche because you're showing people how to make money.
      No. Thats a perspective.

      An expert as per wikipedia is:

      is someone widely recognized as a reliable source of technique or skill whose faculty for judging or deciding rightly, justly, or wisely is accorded authority and status by their peers or the public in a specific well-distinguished domain. An expert, more generally, is a person with extensive knowledge or ability based on research, experience, or occupation and in a particular area of study. Experts are called in for advice on their respective subject, but they do not always agree on the particulars of a field of study.

      Experts have a prolonged or intense experience through practice and education in a particular field. In specific fields, the definition of expert is well established by consensus and therefore it is not necessary for an individual to have a professional or academic qualification for them to be accepted as an expert. In this respect, a shepherd with 50 years of experience tending flocks would be widely recognized as having complete expertise in the use and training of sheep dogs and the care of sheep.

      An expert as per dictionary.com:

      As a noun; a person who has special skill or knowledge in some particular field; specialist; authority: a language expert.

      As an adjective; possessing special skill or knowledge; trained by practice; skillful or skilled (often followed by in or at ): an expert driver; to be expert at driving a car.
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    You need to get out of your room sometime and walk in the real world ............. need some help

    People want to learn from other successful people. If i where a newbie and i once was, i would want to learn from Frank Kern not some dude making less than me with a slower internet connection.
    Frank Kern is not the only successfull person

    If you want to learn how to drive an F1. Would you want to learn from the kid down the street who's dad owns a V8 or from Michael Schumacher?
    MS is not the only one that can drive a F1

    If you wanted to learn how to play ball. Would you want to learn from your mate who plays on NBA jam on the PS3 or from the man himself, Kobey Bryant?
    Kobey Bryant is not the only ball player
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

      You need to get out of your room sometime and walk in the real world ............. need some help

      Frank Kern is not the only successfull person

      MS is not the only one that can drive a F1

      Kobey Bryant is not the only ball player

      What does you'r post have anything to do with this threads discussion? lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        What does you'r post have anything to do with this threads discussion? lol.
        Got the info from the beginning of this thread (which makes it part of the discussion) ...... are you just posting here for the sake of posting .......... moving on:rolleyes:
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    Your niche may not have a market though.
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  • Profile picture of the author PVReymond
    Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

    TIP #1

    Here it is in BLACK n white.

    Dont get into the MMO "make money online" niche.

    Thats all.

    You are wasting your time, your money, your energy and everyone else's too.

    Understand this:

    People want to learn from other successful people. If i where a newbie and i once was, i would want to learn from Frank Kern not some dude making less than me with a slower internet connection.

    If you want to learn how to drive an F1. Would you want to learn from the kid down the street who's dad owns a V8 or from Michael Schumacher?

    If you wanted to learn how to play ball. Would you want to learn from your mate who plays on NBA jam on the PS3 or from the man himself, Kobey Bryant?

    What you are actually doing also is, you are insulting people's intelligence. You are saying 'im successful' but your results say otherwise. People arnt stupid.

    Its easy to fall into this trap as a newbie. Why? Because all of the people you read about, all of the people that inspire you and all of the people that you want to be like DO IT. They are in the MMO niche.

    Save yourself the hassle.

    Chillax.

    There are millions of other niches. Your an expert in a few actually. You just need to figure out which ones and then go and do that. One very logical and common sense approach i find works well is to do this little excercise.

    TIP #2

    Ask yourself:

    What am I good at? And what do I like?

    = Your niche.

    Easy.

    Good-luck.

    -Andrei

    Hey Andrei,

    I don't agree with tip #1.

    Many times the so called gurus don't know how to teach
    someone who is starting out, they don't go into the details
    and assume you know certain things. Most of the time they
    teach advanced stuff.

    I think that for a newbie it is better to learn from someone
    who has done it but know how to teach.

    There is a huge difference between making money and teaching
    to make money. If you are not good at explaining clearly you
    can make all the money you want but it will be very hard for
    people to learn from you.

    Thanks,
    ^PV Reymond
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by PVReymond View Post

      Hey Andrei,

      I don't agree with tip #1.

      Many times the so called gurus don't know how to teach
      someone who is starting out...

      I think that for a newbie it is better to learn from someone
      who has done it but know how to teach.

      Thanks,
      ^PV Reymond
      LOL.

      You dont have to agree.

      Again subjective arguments wont be considered for reply. Please show proof or reference of 'gurus' that 'dont know how to teach'.

      I also think its better for a newbie to learn from someone who has done it before and can teach. Thats the point :confused:

      But i think you have missed the big part of my original thread. Newbies sould not get into the MMO Niche.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Just read another thread that ties in with this.

        I followed the links and found this:

        FTC Steps Up Efforts Against Scams That Target Financially-Strapped Consumers

        Its long, but one part in particular that speak to this thread DIRECTLY.

        Ivy Capital Inc. and 29 co-defendants* allegedly have taken more than $40 million from people who paid thousands of dollars believing Ivy Capital would help them develop their own Internet businesses and earn up to $10,000 per month. According to the FTC’s complaint, Ivy Capital’s telemarketers asked consumers how much credit they had on their credit cards and then talked them into using a substantial portion of their available credit to purchase a business coaching program. But the promised products and services were worthless, the complaint alleged. Ivy Capital’s “expert” coaches lacked the promised knowledge and experience, its website-building software programs did not work properly, and the lawyers and accountants the defendants said would provide assistance were nonexistent. Consumers paid up to $20,000 for a business coaching program and related products and services but got very little in return.

        Newbies take heed. This is a litte 'full on' and over the top but it still emphasizes that if you do not know what you are doing and you have not been able to prove that you can coach people in making money online, you shouldnt do it, there are so many risks involved. Not because people like me dont like it, but because the FTC might bust your ass if someone complains about you.


        Ive seen some websites that would make you so sick, people claiming they can turn you into a millionaire within a month, yet when you look into the offer its full of holes and the guy selling the product is not and internet millionaire, is not an expert and can barely speak english so his coaching skills would be lacking to say the least.
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      • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
        Calling my 'position' on not wanting to learn from someone who may have forgotten too much to teach me enough, a 'theory', that you need proof of, leads to believe that no one should pay much attention to statements made by one with such an obvious lacking in education in the actual 'business of doing business.'

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        • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
          When I went to school and couldn’t get something, often the best teacher I could find was someone in my same class that just learned how themselves. There is a lot to learn in IM no matter the niche. If you can help to teach someone, a few of the steps why not? So long as you don’t pretend that you made more than you have doing what you do. So in the end I guess it depends on what everyone considers is width and breath of the MMO niche.
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      • Profile picture of the author dgridley
        Everyone was a newbie at one point..

        I had a Geology professor in college that would always assume the class had been to a national park.. he'd preface a lecture by saying, "As you probably noticed the last time you were at Yellowstone.." not realizing or caring that some had never been to Yellowstone (for example). Sometimes "gurus" do not make good teachers.

        Besides, experience is the best teacher, as we all know.

        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Newbies sould not get into the MMO Niche.
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    Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

    Dont get into the MMO "make money online" niche.
    Well, why not. There is a lot of money in it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    I totally agree ....

    With myself. Making money is a major part of every niche even if you're doing charities or non-profits but personally I'm not in it for the money but for helping others.

    I have a long line waiting so please excuse me.
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    if only the internet marketing gurus stopped showing there mansions and the fast cars and all the cool stuff..... they kinda get us into the niche and then feed of us.

    But really, its a great advice man..... I am into some niche sites myself and although I am not an expert, I can always hire experts
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  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    I am stunned. You are totally wrong!! So you're saying that if you go in the MMO niche, the only way to make money it's to learn from Frank Kern, or God himself...

    You don't have to be an expert to make money online. You can be a newbie and make money online, and after you suceeded you want to share with others the method that made you money.

    Frank Kern wasn't born an EXPERT!!

    So, newbies, MMO niche is a great one, and you can make money if you have a big desire and if you work hard.


    You can start a service providing your skills, and then invest in other things.

    My point is: Nobody was borned an expert, you can learn from newbies, you can learn from experts.
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    good read I'm loving this forum lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Tiratore
      This is horribly short-sighted advice. If you're smart and passionate about IM, there is plenty of room for you. Don't give up. There are thousands of IM'rs you've never heard of making a killing online. Most of the well-known faces in IM were failures many times over in their previous businesses, they kept at it and became good at their passions. Many of them are just good at direct response copywriting and learned from some of the greats before them. Claude Hopkins, Gary Halbert, Jay Abraham and the list goes on. All of these people understood testing, human psychology, testing, and even testing. Get it?
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