High Gravity on clickbank, is it a good thing?

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Hi,

I'm just researching another niche and have found several appropriate products on clickbank. With varying levels of gravity, one with 78.

Obviously high gravity indicates popularity, but does it mean the market is flooded with this product?

On another thread I recently saw this:

"But I also did SIX other big things wrong, any one of which would possibly have been enough to prevent me from earning a proper living and certainly enough to prevent me from building a real business....


4)I was promoting high gravity Clickbank products and products with a vendor's opt-in on their sales pages"

Sorry about quoting from another thread, but it kinda sums up my question.

Would you choose a high gravity product to promote?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by merlincat View Post

    Obviously high gravity indicates popularity
    Not so, I'm afraid. It really doesn't: it's just not as simple as that. "Popularity" is something very different.

    Originally Posted by merlincat View Post

    Would you choose a high gravity product to promote?
    Not normally, no.

    My reasons are all given in this post. With respect, there are 100 threads on this subject, you know - and that's just over the last year or so. The one linked to above is just one of very, very many. Just saying ...
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    • Profile picture of the author merlincat
      Thanks for your quick response Alexa.

      Yes i'm sure gravity indicates more than popularity, and as with many things in IM has many layers of complexity.

      I have read the other thread and made some notes, this point raised an issue that intrested me, so I thought i'd make a new question to find perspectives just on this issue and not hijack the other discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    In my experience any gravity over 10-15 means the sales page converts well. 78 isn't too bad for competition. If you're source of traffic is unique then yes, promote it.

    As far as a vendor having an opt in page, you can try to sell the product yourself and send traffic directly to the clickbank order form, or you can opt in yourself and click through in the emails and look at the bottom of the clickbank order form to see if you're still credited as the affiliate.

    The other thing you can do is email the vendor and ask them about it; some vendors have several different sales pages specifically for affiliates with no opt in on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisj383
    Hi Alexa,

    Thanks for that post of yours, i've always been stumbled on this question myself, as the people i've talked you have always said promote products with a high gravity.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by chrisj383 View Post

      the people i've talked you have always said promote products with a high gravity.
      People do, Chris. :rolleyes:

      People imagine that there's some kind of correlation between gravity and "number of sales".

      Or they imagine that there's some kind of correlation between gravity and "conversion rates".

      My top-selling, top-converting product (out of the nearly 20 I'm currently promoting) has a gravity of 5. Its vendor has another, different product with a gravity of about 135. The low gravity product has a far better conversion-rate (across the board, not just my traffic) than the high gravity one. It also sells far more copies. This is normal, not exceptional. "But you try telling that to the young generation of today and they just won't believe you"!!

      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      As far as a vendor having an opt in page, you can try to sell the product yourself and send traffic directly to the clickbank order form
      That doesn't set an affiliate cookie on your prospective customers' computers, Nate. It typically loses a huge proportion of the sales. And (for understandable reasons) you have to have the vendor's express permission to do it, anyway.

      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      or you can opt in yourself and click through in the emails and look at the bottom of the clickbank order form to see if you're still credited as the affiliate.
      This is mistaken, I'm afraid. It looks that way, and it sounds logical (well - kind of) but it isn't actually true.

      Contrary to superficial appearances (which "can be deceptive", as the saying goes), doing that doesn't actually tell you what you need to know, to learn what you're trying to find out. For all the many reasons explained at such length and in such detail in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisj383
    Yeah They would probs just laugh in your face, so is it too much competition as to why products with high gravity gets less sales for the average joe.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I think it's often that.

      And some (the newer ones) are just bad products with poor sales pages that have had their gravity figure "inflated" by any one of the various questionable/nefarious means that vendors (who want to) can very easily use to achieve that result.

      It's self-perpetuating: as long as there's a huge pool of affiliates who imagine that "high gravity is an indication that the product's selling well", vendors will continue to do that, because they want to attract as many affiliates as possible. Gravity attracts affiliates, and affiliates create gravity - self-perpetuation.

      Many of those vendors don't quite appreciate that the affiliates they're attracting that way are drawn from the pool of the 90% of Clickbank affiliates who collectively produce only 10% of the affiliate-referred sales, but that's another story altogether.
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  • Profile picture of the author colie3188
    Popularity Yes
    Quality Not so much
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDoughBoy
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    Just because a product has a gravity of 1000 (like Profit Monarch) doesn't necessarily means its converting for affiiates. 1000 G means about 1000 affiliates have sold the product in the past 60 days. But this is relative. What if there are 10,000 affiliates selling the product? That means only 1 in 10 affiliates are making sales. What if 20,000 affiliates are selling the product? That means 1 in 20 affiliates are making sales. In other words gravity doesn't take into account competition. There is a product called Satellite Direct that has a gravity of 200+ on CB. However, there are over 100,000 affiliates promoting it. Thats 1 in 500 affiliates getting sales. Get the point?
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  • Profile picture of the author abbesnwk
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    Let me explain exactly how it’s calculated.

    When an affiliate makes their first sale of a product, ClickBank adds 1.0 to the gravity score for that product.

    If they make another sale (or any number of additional sales) on the next day, ClickBank continues to add 1.0 to the gravity for that affiliate.
    If on the other hand, that affiliate doesn’t make another sale on the next day, ClickBank adds only 0.96 to the gravity for the product for that affiliate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ideaplans View Post

      If they make another sale (or any number of additional sales) on the next day, ClickBank continues to add 1.0 to the gravity for that affiliate.
      They don't add an additional 1.0 in respect of that same affiliate.

      No affiliate's "component" in the product's total gravity score can ever be more than 1.0. Not even if they sell 10,000 copies.

      Please excuse me: I appreciate entirely that you understand "how it works" and am posting only because some people will otherwise read your wording above and misunderstand you, imagining from your wording that if an affiliate makes a sale every day, the gravity score will increase by 1.0 point per day, which isn't true at all, as you and I both know. (I know this will happen because I've been misunderstood on this very point myself, in the past, when I've used very similar wording to you: you can't be too careful around here!).
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      • Profile picture of the author abbesnwk
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        They don't add an additional 1.0 in respect of that same affiliate.

        No affiliate's "component" in the product's total gravity score can ever be more than 1.0. Not even if they sell 10,000 copies.

        Please excuse me: I appreciate entirely that you understand "how it works" and am posting only because some people will otherwise read your wording above and misunderstand you, imagining from your wording that if an affiliate makes a sale every day, the gravity score will increase by 1.0 point per day, which isn't true at all, as you and I both know. (I know this will happen because I've been misunderstood on this very point myself, in the past, when I've used very similar wording to you: you can't be too careful around here!).
        you are right. just to hurry to post and didn't reviwed. thank you
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