Don't rely 100% on Gravity !

13 years ago

Yes, I think we have to have our own creativity and good analysis of taking some opportunity that can't be seen by our eyes.. SEe with your brain and heart as a marketer.

Promoting certain products with low gravity to the right traffic will give us good result.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

One of my affiliate, make 69 sales alone in 24 hours.

But, this figures don't show up in Gravity.

It will do, next time the gravity's updated, Raja. It's only once a week.

However many sales one affiliate makes, whether it's 69 or 690 or 6,900 or 69,000, it can only add a maximum of 1 gravity point, you know? And if that affiliate already had previous sales within the last 8 weeks it'll add a lot less than that - maybe as little as 0.1.

You appreciate that the gravity figure doesn't measure the number of sales at all, and doesn't purport to?

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Raja Kamil

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It will do, next time the gravity's updated, Raja. It's only once a week.

However many sales one affiliate makes, whether it's 69 or 690 or 6,900 or 69,000, it can only add a maximum of 1 gravity point, you know? And if that affiliate already had previous sales within the last 8 weeks it'll add a lot less than that - maybe as little as 0.1.

You appreciate that the gravity figure doesn't measure the number of sales at all, and doesn't purport to?

Well somehow, gravity will give a brief idea how much the sale is.
Such as, a product with 100 gravity is definitely will have at least 100 sales, right?

But, a product with 10 gravity not necessarily show the maximum sales for it is 10, right?

Or, am I getting it wrong somewhere?

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

a product with 100 gravity is definitely will have at least 100 sales, right?

I can't argue with you about that one!

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

But, a product with 10 gravity not necessarily show the maximum sales for it is 10, right?

Indeed.

My point is simply that a product with a gravity of ten can easily and commonly be selling in higher numbers than a product with a gravity of 100. That wouldn't be any sort of "exception" at all. My top-selling, top-converting product (out of the nearly 20 I'm currently promoting) has a gravity of 5. Its vendor has another, different product with a gravity of about 135. The low gravity product has a far better conversion-rate (across the board, not just my traffic) than the high gravity one. It also sells far more copies. This is normal, not exceptional.

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

Or, am I getting it wrong somewhere?

Nooo ... what you say is perfectly true. But don't expect your 69 sales from one affiliate in 24 hours (well done both, by the way! ) necessarily to add more than 0.1 to the gravity, and clearly it can't possibly add more than 1.0, and it may take a little over a week for either to happen.
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Chri5123

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It will do, next time the gravity's updated, Raja. It's only once a week.

However many sales one affiliate makes, whether it's 69 or 690 or 6,900 or 69,000, it can only add a maximum of 1 gravity point, you know? And if that affiliate already had previous sales within the last 8 weeks it'll add a lot less than that - maybe as little as 0.1.

You appreciate that the gravity figure doesn't measure the number of sales at all, and doesn't purport to?

This ^

I used to think the same about gravity but I believe and forgive me if this is slightly off as I am quoting from memory:

Gravity is a measurement of the number of DISTINCT affiliates that have been paid in the last 8 weeks they add a figure from 0.1 to 1.0. The more recent the last referral the higher the value added.

So gravity does not really say much at all about how much a product is making.

I have products that have less than 5 gravity but boy do they convert!

A few affiliates rake it in and I get a lot of sales directly but you wouldn't know by looking at the gravity!

Chris

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PabloVTB

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

Hi;
Today is one of a good day for me this year.
Why? One of my affiliate, make 69 sales alone in 24 hours.

But, this figures don't show up in Gravity.

hurm........well I'm quite excited and don't know how to say this.
Hopefully you got my point.

Don't go promoting a product just because the gravity is higher.
It is not necessary show the exact figures, how well the product is.

I think one aspect of gravity that gets overlooked is that products that don't have high sell volumes don't have high gravity, but that does not mean they don't convert well.
It may be more difficult to find a winning offer this way, but it could be really worth it, like what you are talking about here.

Good point my friend, and congratulations on your success

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Adie

13 years ago

I think CB should start showing the refund rate too so that people can stay away from garbage products..

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I think CB should start showing the refund rate too so that people can stay away from garbage products..

I hear you, in a way ...

In another way, it can be a bit misleading, because different affiliates can have hugely varying refund-rates for the same product, according to how it's been pre-sold.

It's true that some niches (e.g. forex) do have higher than average refund-rates, but overall, refund rates have more to do with the affiliate than with the product itself.

Any product that has a significant refund-rate across all its collective affiliates gets removed from the marketplace pretty quickly by Clickbank anyway, because they'd actually be losing money, not making money, over the processing and administrative fees: their cut is only $7.5% + $1, after all.

There are third-party websites/services that claim to be able to "work out" the average refund-rate of products, but it's total nonsense, because they have no information that you and I don't have. We can't work it out from information that Clickbank publishes, and neither can they. Some of them just do a good bluff at convincing people that they can!

:rolleyes: :p

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Adie

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I hear you, in a way ...

In another way, it can be a bit misleading, because different affiliates can have hugely varying refund-rates for the same product, according to how it's been pre-sold.

It's true that some niches (e.g. forex) do have higher than average refund-rates, but overall, refund rates have more to do with the affiliate than with the product itself.

Any product that has a significant refund-rate across all its collective affiliates gets removed from the marketplace pretty quickly by Clickbank anyway, because they'd actually be losing money, not making money, over the processing and administrative fees: their cut is only $7.5% + $1, after all.

There are third-party websites/services that claim to be able to "work out" the average refund-rate of products, but it's total nonsense, because they have no information that you and I don't have. We can't work it out from information that Clickbank publishes, and neither can they. Some of them just do a good bluff at convincing people that they can!

:rolleyes: :p

I am just kidding anyway but that has a little point..bt of course I don't think that's possible. Many products owners will not agree to that.. LOL

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I don't think that's possible. Many products owners will not agree to that.. LOL

Yes ... this is also true!
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nerrutis

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

Hi;
Today is one of a good day for me this year.
Why? One of my affiliate, make 69 sales alone in 24 hours.

But, this figures don't show up in Gravity.

hurm........well I'm quite excited and don't know how to say this.
Hopefully you got my point.

Don't go promoting a product just because the gravity is higher.
It is not necessary show the exact figures, how well the product is.

Long time ago i already notices that gravity in CB does not reflect the real value and sales numbers of a website. I have made many sales on my website, but interestingly gravity remained ZERO. Well doesn`t it sound ridiculous?

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by nerrutis

I have made many sales on my website, but interestingly gravity remained ZERO. Well doesn`t it sound ridiculous?

Well, sales you've made yourself don't count toward the gravity at all. Only "affiliate-referred sales" do, and even then it's measuring "the number of affiliates who've made 1+ sales", not "the number of sales" ...
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tinytot11

13 years ago

I try to find products with decent gravity but what is more important to me is that the sales page look good. Also I look at products that the vendor has a lot of good images for the affiliate to use.

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Marksv 13 years ago

Whenever I'm looking for a new product/niche, I actually try and stay with lower gravity products...

In a way, the higher the gravity the more competition there is...

I go by my own gut instinct and common sense...

If the procduct, sales page, copy, etc, all feel like they will convert well and provide a lot of value, then in my eyes that product is a good choice even if the gravity is low....

Statistics can mean different things depending on how you view them...

Using common sense and your own brain is the way to go...
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