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Banned 15 years ago

Spam is a subjective term, and that's just your opinion. The way I look at it is, if you have a legitimate offer, and you are not advertising anything that will harm others, or is detrimental to someones well being, then what is the issue???

The last time I checked it is illegal to speed. But how many people do that?? I make a lot of money from free classified advertising. So, it's a shame your morals are getting in the way of using CL for exactly what it is. A FREE advertising site, which can bring you lotsOtraffic!

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digitalproductreporter 15 years ago

with craigslist, spam is not subjective, it's spelled out in black and white

craigslist terms of use
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Mike McBride

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jstover77

Spam is a subjective term, and that's just your opinion. The way I look at it is, if you have a legitimate offer, and you are not advertising anything that will harm others, or is detrimental to someones well being, then what is the issue???

The last time I checked it is illegal to speed. But how many people do that?? I make a lot of money from free classified advertising. So, it's a shame your morals are getting in the way of using CL for exactly what it is. A FREE advertising site, which can bring you lotsOtraffic!

Typical bullshit answer that spammers give.

Look, you're breaking Craigslists terms of service, and THAT'S the bottom line. It's their site, they make the rules, and it's not up to people like you to abuse them and teach others to do the same.

People like you don't care about anything but your own nickels and dimes. Apparently you wouldn't know morals if you tripped over them.

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike McBride

Typical bullshit answer that spammers give.

Look, you're breaking Craigslists terms of service, and THAT'S the bottom line. It's their site, they make the rules, and it's not up to people like you to abuse them and teach others to do the same.
People like you don't care about anything but your own nickels and dimes. Apparently you wouldn't know morals if you tripped over them.

So wait...all people who spam only care about their own nickels and dimes? Wow, quite an assessment about me from just a single post. Do I know you??

I find it funny that people get so worked up about posting ads on Craigslist. I am simply showing people how to post on CL, and get traffic. Believe it or not there is a quite a demand for this info..I am simply supplying it. Simple laws of supply and demand. I'm not selling crack.

It's simple...if you don't like the title...don't read it.

Look this is an Internet marketing forum. Not everything discussed here is always perfect in the eyes of the Internet Gods (or whatever you want to call them). If you want to cry about CL spammers, there are plenty of cool aid drinkers over in the CL forums. You'll fit in well there.

OK, enough wasted time on this. Back to counting my nickels and dimes.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jstover77

Spam is a subjective term, and that's just your opinion. The way I look at it is, if you have a legitimate offer, and you are not advertising anything that will harm others, or is detrimental to someones well being, then what is the issue???

The last time I checked it is illegal to speed. But how many people do that?? I make a lot of money from free classified advertising. So, it's a shame your morals are getting in the way of using CL for exactly what it is. A FREE advertising site, which can bring you lotsOtraffic!

So, if everyone else is breaking the rules, then it's ok? And it's a shame you don't value morals. Remember, people read your posts here, and everything you say will be taken into account. That's not a threat, I'm just letting you know that you may be sabotaging your efforts in the long run. Why? Because you are basically saying rules don't matter and that people should set their morals aside to make a fast buck.

Originally Posted by jstover77

So wait...all people who spam only care about their own nickels and dimes? Wow, quite an assessment about me from just a single post. Do I know you??

I find it funny that people get so worked up about posting ads on Craigslist. I am simply showing people how to post on CL, and get traffic. Believe it or not there is a quite a demand for this info..I am simply supplying it. Simple laws of supply and demand.

It's simple...if you don't like the title...don't read it.

Look this is an Internet marketing forum. Not everything discussed here is always perfect in the eyes of the Internet Gods (or whatever you want to call them). If you want to cry about CL spammers, there are plenty of cool aid drinkers over in the CL forums. You'll fit in well there.

Sometimes you need several posts to make a fair assessment, but all it takes is one post like the one you made for people to get an idea of your lack of ethics.

I find it funny that you have no problem eith people breaking their terms of service.

Sure, and a hitman is just providing an in-demand service.

And if you want to cry about people who are making a reasonable request, there are plenty of Kool Aid drinkers in spamming forums. You'll fit in well there.

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Michael

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

So, if everyone else is breaking the rules, then it's ok? And it's a shame you don't value morals. Remember, people read your posts here, and everything you say will be taken into account. That's not a threat, I'm just letting you know that you may be sabotaging your efforts in the long run. Why? Because you are basically saying rules don't matter and that people should set their morals aside to make a fast buck.

Sometimes you need several posts to make a fair assessment, but all it takes is one post like the one you made for people to get an idea of your lack of ethics.

I find it funny that you have no problem eith people breaking their terms of service.

Sure, and a hitman is just providing an in-demand service.

And if you want to cry about people who are making a reasonable request, there are plenty of Kool Aid drinkers in spamming forums. You'll fit in well there.

All the best,
Michael

A hitman?? Really..there is a demand for that. Jesus

You can call me what you want or say whatever it is about me. I just simply disagree with you. If this makes me unethical and immoral, then so be it. I am making good money online, and I sleep fine at night.

P.S- Believe it or not I'm actually a nice guy

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jstover77

A hitman?? Really..there is a demand for that. Jesus

You can call me what you want or say whatever it is about me. I just simply disagree with you. If this makes me unethical and immoral, then so be it. I am making good money online, and I sleep fine at night.

P.S- Believe it or not I'm actually a nice guy

My point was this: Just because there is a demand for something, doesn't make it okay. The hitman example was the first one that popped into my head, and I'm not equating murder with selling on CL (regardles of whether their TOS is being followed or not).

I was trying to make a fine distinction, and was not saying you don't have morals or ethics, just that it appears you do not value you them. But, that is based on your one post in this thread. And, like it or not, one post can make a difference. It's the same thing when someone held in high esteem makes one bad decision that leads to a fall from grace.

I know I've made too many posts like that, but I do my best to remain ethical. Ethics are not something you can bend by making justifications (such as, "it's in demand, so why not?").

You may be a nice guy, and my post wasn't meant to sound like a personal attack, but re-reading it I can see how it may have come acroos that way.

We're all here expressing our opinions, and we just so happen to disagree on this one. No big deal, I bet there are plenty of things we do agree on.

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Michael

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Mark Brock 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Sure, and a hitman is just providing an in-demand service.

All the best,
Michael

Are you serious here?! People actually advertise for hitmen in Craigslist?

My problems may have just been solved by your post Michael. lol

Seriously though, to everyone here that tells it like it is regarding the virus of SPAMMING, thank you.

If Craigslist say they don't want it on their site then DON'T PUT IT ON THERE!

It sounds simple but obviously not everyone can understand the simple!

Thanks here go out to Michael Oksa, Mike McBride and Digitalproductreporter for bringing this issue up.

I've personally never used Craigslist. I was thinking of looking into it for my affiliate promotions but you've just saved me a whole load of time by letting me know right here, right now that doing what I was going to look into was against their T&C's.

A big thank you yet again.

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Chris Lockwood 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike McBride

People like you don't care about anything but your own nickels and dimes. Apparently you wouldn't know morals if you tripped over them.

As opposed to everyone on Craigslist who follows the TOS? Those people are all pure of heart and don't care about making money when they sell something. They just want to do the world a favor.

Hint: This has nothing to do with morals.
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YellowDot Software

15 years ago

Truthfully it's better to just spend the time you would have spent figuring out how to spam to build up a legitimate offer that you can post, that isn't against the terms of service, and naturally draws people in because it provides great value

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Dude are you wondering how many people actually make for a living via ewhoring on that site? I'm not saying that I'm one of them but many people would die in their internet "business" if guys like you were visiting the site more often. Anyway it's not good what those "ewhorers" do.

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Mike McBride

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 14

Dude are you wondering how many people actually make for a living via ewhoring on that site? I'm not saying that I'm one of them but many people would die in their internet "business" if guys like you were visiting the site more often. Anyway it's not good what those "ewhorers" do.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Really, I can't make heads or tails of what you mean.

And please read the forum rules - affiliate links are not allowed in sig files here. (Of course, that's IF you care about the rules of this forum or any TOS anywhere.)

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Originally Posted by Mike McBride

What exactly are you trying to say here? Really, I can't make heads or tails of what you mean.

And please read the forum rules - affiliate links are not allowed in sig files here. (Of course, that's IF you care about the rules of this forum or any TOS anywhere.)

I don't care, anyway I removed it.

Go to blackhatworld.com and you'll find out what I am talking about.

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Mike McBride

15 years ago

It's simple...if you don't like the title...don't read it.

Wow ... how many times have these spammer-come-lately's posted THAT defense for their bullshit posts?

This is a community, one in which the majority seems to hold quaint notions like morals and ethics and honesty in high regard, and one that does not appreciate people like you barging in here like the second coming and telling us how this forum should be run.

If you want to teach people how to spam or otherwise abuse the property of others, go start your own forum - maybe you could call it "ScumbagsRUS."

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike McBride

Wow ... how many times have these spammer-come-lately's posted THAT defense for their bullshit posts?

This is a community, one in which the majority seems to hold quaint notions like morals and ethics and honesty in high regard, and one that does not appreciate people like you barging in here like the second coming and telling us how this forum should be run.

If you want to teach people how to spam or otherwise abuse the property of others, go start your own forum - maybe you could call it "ScumbagsRUS."

I am not telling anyone how to run this forum. I like it the way its run just fine.

Listen Mike, I don't know what I ever did to piss you off so bad. We simply disagree. There is no need to make personal attacks on me. There are many people who agree with my point of view. None here so far, but I have spoke to hundreds, if not thousands who think that CL's TOS is absolutely absurd. I sell advertising so I know this. Does this make us bad people??? No it doesn't. That is like saying everyone that J-walks is a sinner...Is that true? Depends on who you talk to.

I just don't get why people get so worked up about this. I can see people who send unsolicited emails, or using the CL email extractors, but why this (by the way, which I have never done)?

Really though, I am open to constructive points of views on this...Not name calling, or personal attacks.

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All of you: WTF do YOU freaking care anyway? Are you the owners? No! Then, what's the problem?!

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 14

All of you: WTF do YOU freaking care anyway? Are you the owners? No! Then, what's the problem?!

It's called a forum, and we express our opinions here.

Some of us have a problem with it, and others do not.

Glad I could help.

All the best,
Michael

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

It's called a forum, and we express our opinions here.

Some of us have a problem with it, and others do not.

Glad I could help.

All the best,
Michael

We express our opinions about the craiglist TOS?

I only see "Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum"

I am guessing it has nothing to do with it... useless thread, nothing useful.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 14

We express our opinions about the craiglist TOS?

I only see "Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum"

I am guessing it has nothing to do with it... useless thread, nothing useful.

We are talking about Internet marketing, on Craigslist.

The only thing more useless than this thread are your comments in regards to it.

All the best,
Michael

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

We are talking about Internet marketing, on Craigslist.

The only thing more useless than this thread are your comments in regards to it.

All the best,
Michael

The title of the post looks like someone is begging warrior forum members to stop spamming craiglist. What the hell does it has to do with internet marketing?

spamming craiglist vs internet marketing

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 14

The title of the post looks like someone is begging warrior forum members to stop spamming craiglist. What the hell does it has to do with internet marketing?

spamming craiglist vs internet marketing

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Hi 14,

You just joined the forum today, congrats on the 15 posts! Many of which are just like this one.

I don't know how I can explain it to you, but I will try. Even though these are the kinds of discussions we have here all the time - if you don't like it go troll somewhere else. Anyway...

1. Places on the Internet are called 'websites'.

2. Craigslist is a 'website'.

3. People exchange or sell goods and services on Craiglist.

4. To get more people to see their Craigslist posts, they may employ marketing techniques.

5. Craigslist is on the Internet, and people are marketing there. (Follow me so far?)

6. Therefore a discussion about the best OR worst way to post on Craigslist is fair game.

7. Being an Internet marketing forum, we discuss such things.

If you don't get that, then you will never be happy at the forum, because there's stuff like this all of the time.

All the best,
Michael

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi 14,

You just joined the forum today, congrats on the 15 posts! Many of which are just like this one.

I don't know how I can explain it to you, but I will try. Even though these are the kinds of discussions we have here all the time - if you don't like it go troll somewhere else. Anyway...

1. Places on the Internet are called 'websites'.

2. Craigslist is a 'website'.

3. People exchange or sell goods and services on Craiglist.

4. To get more people to see their Craigslist posts, they may employ marketing techniques.

5. Craigslist is on the Internet, and people are marketing there. (Follow me so far?)

6. Therefore a discussion about the best OR worst way to post on Craigslist is fair game.

7. Being an Internet marketing forum, we discuss such things.

If you don't get that, then you will never be happy at the forum, because there's stuff like this all of the time.

All the best,
Michael

I think that the discussion is about stopping people to spam craiglist. It has nothing to do with marketing on craiglist. Anyway I'll avoid threads like this.

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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi 14,

You just joined the forum today, congrats on the 15 posts! Many of which are just like this one.

I don't know how I can explain it to you, but I will try. Even though these are the kinds of discussions we have here all the time - if you don't like it go troll somewhere else. Anyway...

1. Places on the Internet are called 'websites'.

2. Craigslist is a 'website'.

3. People exchange or sell goods and services on Craiglist.

4. To get more people to see their Craigslist posts, they may employ marketing techniques.

5. Craigslist is on the Internet, and people are marketing there. (Follow me so far?)

6. Therefore a discussion about the best OR worst way to post on Craigslist is fair game.

7. Being an Internet marketing forum, we discuss such things.

If you don't get that, then you will never be happy at the forum, because there's stuff like this all of the time.

All the best,
Michael

LMAO

Thanks for the detailed lesson on internet marketing.

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digitalproductreporter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by 14

All of you: WTF do YOU freaking care anyway? Are you the owners? No! Then, what's the problem?!

I'm a craiglist user, that's why I care.

I also think people who break the tos give "internet marketers" a bad rep.

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter

I'm a craiglist user, that's why I care.

Ok, and what kind of ads piss you off? If a guys sells a moving service, and he is in 13 states. How does that annoy you. Ad says: Moving Company for Hire... Or, person is offering a financial service...in say 6 states...Online Halth Insurance is the ad..Are these the ads that annoy you? If not give me an example, and why they annoy you.

Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter

I also think people who break the tos give "internet marketers" a bad rep.

Why? Who is keeping track?? I have never ever once heard someone say...if it wasn't for those dam Craigslist posters breaking the TOS...I wouldn't have such a bad name. How does it give IMers bad names. I'm not being a smart ass, just asking.

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digitalproductreporter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jstover77

Ok, and what kind of ads piss you off?

I already answered this in my first post

Originally Posted by jstover77

Why? Who is keeping track?? I have never ever once heard someone say...if it wasn't for those dam Craigslist posters breaking the TOS...

Are you serious? You obviously have never used the site for more than spamming the site.

Here's some more popular things people do that piss off craiglist users (just in case you haven't profited from the yet)

craigslist | about > help > spam

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jstover77

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Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter

I already answered this in my first post

Are you serious? You obviously have never used the site for more than spamming the site.

Here's some more popular things people do that piss off craiglist users (just in case you haven't profited from the yet)

craigslist | about > help > spam

What does that have to do with posting ads. These people aren't Internet Marketers. They are scammers. I already mentioned the email extractors, and that I have never used them.

Like I said. I would never condone anything that causes harm or financial hardship to anyone. I am in total agreeance that these types of scams and B.S is no good for anyone.

You have to understand, the people I teach how to post or post for are all hard working legit businesses. I never ever posted in the erotic section, and if I ever had an order that looked like fraud, I would reprot it to the authorities.

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digitalproductreporter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jstover77

What does that have to do with posting ads. These people aren't Internet Marketers. They are scammers. I already mentioned the email extractors, and that I have never used them.

Dude they are the same as you. You are a spammer.

You are teaching people to buy accounts and post as other people (fraud).

You are teaching people to spam craigslist with dozens of (almost) identical posts

and even more nonsense, buy new phones to spam craiglist??? ridiculous

AND, this post isn't about you, I just used your link as an example.

The purpose of this post was to raise awareness that spamming craigslist is not cool and pisses off bunches of people and it's also against the craiglsist tos.

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter

Dude they are the same as you. You are a spammer.

You are teaching people to buy accounts and post as other people (fraud).

You are teaching people to spam craigslist with dozens of (almost) identical posts

and even more nonsense, buy new phones to spam craiglist??? ridiculous

AND, this post isn't about you, I just used your link as an example.

The purpose of this post was to raise awareness that spamming craigslist is not cool and pisses off bunches of people and it's also against the craiglsist tos.

Digital,
Honestly dude, you think your way, and I think my way. You and your cohorts think that I am a spammer, and many others see nothing wrong with what I do. Like I said, I personally have never posted anything which would harm or cause any misfortunes to anyone. Ya, maybe some that learn what I showed in that video might misuse it. All information can be used to in good and bad ways.

Your passion is good though. Put it towards making money.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Hi Mark,

I wasn't saying people advertise for hitmen on Craigslist (they may, but I don't know). Just trying make a point about something being in demand doesn't mean it's okay to fill that demand.

All the best,
Michael

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Mark Brock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi Mark,

I wasn't saying people advertise for hitmen on Craigslist (they may, but I don't know). Just trying make a point about something being in demand doesn't mean it's okay to fill that demand.

All the best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

I did get your point and I totally agree with what you were saying. I did honestly think though that you or someone you know had stumbled upon an ad on Craigslist for a hitman and were simply basing your comments on something that has actually happened.

I'm seriously hoping that this hasn't happened but it wouldn't surprise me if it had at some point.

Thank you for the clarification Michael. Your previous point is a very valid one. Thank you.

Mark

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jstover77

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi Mark,

I wasn't saying people advertise for hitmen on Craigslist (they may, but I don't know). Just trying make a point about something being in demand doesn't mean it's okay to fill that demand.

All the best,
Michael

No I got that.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by wealth4life2010

Was this post necessary? I am sorry, but if you are an internet marketer there is NO WAY you can always be "ethical".

For example: Get my FREE CD for only shipping cost of $6.95 (everyone knows it doesn't cost that much to ship a CD...not only is the marketer making money, the CD isn't FREE!!!)
On top of that, when you go to order your FREE CD, it automatically locks you into a $29.95/month deal.

You tell me..ethical????

Hi wealth4life,

Why so bitter?

I do try to ALWAYS be ethical, and you can bet I would never do the things you describe.

There's no need to resort to trickery if your offer is good. In other words, let an offer stand on its own merits. Those are words I live by.

Also, I have a membership site, but I explain very clearly that it is a monthly subscription (or a yearly option).

Can I always be ethical? Probably not, but don't assume that I'm not trying. I can say that I am always ethical based on my standards. I never knowingly violate a site's TOS, try to follow the rules, explain things clearly, and give refunds when requested.

All the best,
Michael Oksa

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digitalproductreporter 15 years ago

Originally Posted by wealth4life2010

Was this post necessary? I am sorry, but if you are an internet marketer there is NO WAY you can always be "ethical".

Wowzer, that's the dumbest quote I've ever read about internet marketing. Congrats.

So just because you market on the internet you can't be ethical? I'm speechless.
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jstover77 Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by wealth4life2010

Solution: Use Backpage.com like I do.

Yes!! I have a contact that works there. They love that people post tons of ads. There is a reason their traffic has gone up 10 million visits in 3 months.
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John Willer

15 years ago

I've noticed it too

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jacktackett

15 years ago

Why does Craigslist require verified phone numbers?

why are they charging $$$ to post in categories they never required money before?

Answer - people who have violated their TOS. Some may call it spam, but no matter what - its against their TOS. And since its their site - its their rules. If you don't like their rules, go someplace else.

Folks trying to game the system are interfering with those of us trying to use the system as it was intended - as stated by the OP. Folks teaching them how to game the system are part of the problem, not part of the solution - whether you make money or not.

I do what the original poster does, if I find a post that's against the TOS - I flag it - and I will continue to do so.

Its kind of ironic too - this is the way USENET went - I fear soon CL will go the same way, left as a wasteland for the spammers who have driven out all the legitimate users. If the signal to noise is too high - folks will just leave and never return.

Then where will your traffic come from? Some other site that you'll destroy in the name of getting traffic and making money no doubt.

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Originally Posted by wealth4life2010

Yeah, and the LESSON was FREE with no catch.

It was FREE but still this thread is called "Please stop spamming"

I don't think that's related to internet marketing, even though craiglist is.
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Banned 15 years ago

I think that this has been a rough start for me. I would like to stop arguing. We can't let a simple thread about craiglist ruin what future could offer.
We may do business in the future. so...

PEACE!

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richdirtygirl 15 years ago

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This was fun! Thanks gentlemen for the laugh...

I keep looking at people mixing up interests with moral, ethics and other finger shaking activities... :rolleyes:

This is how I see it... Craigslist and any other website needs happy users.

The users are not happy when:

- see the same ad popping in the face too much and it is not what they are looking for.
- the ad promise one thing and gives other, specially when they have to use the credit card to access info they expected to get for free (check out the foreclosure properties and you will see what i mean).

Now... if Craigslist were visited only by the owner... he/she would be jumping to the roof if you spam them, why? each page is potentially indexed and you are doing the job for them.

Now, when they grow over certain limit... naturally will have to start sorting to keep the system useful.

Now, as I see it moral should a lil bit more sturdy than this...

Where moral can enter here? well... in the quality of the product you are giving for the money. Eventually.

About what to do in Craigslist... I think that playing with the system and keeping a step ahead when you are playing the system is the happiest way to go...

RDG :p
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