uk seo company wanted £7,000 i done it for £200

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i contacted a seo company here in the uk to target 1 keyword on google.co.uk i was quoted £7,000. just by using the warrior for hire section here i have done it for about £200..

Keyword gets about 120,000 per month and the competition is quite hard.

Just goes to show you what kind of money they are making and probably using the same techniques..
#£200 #company #seo #wanted
  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    Result!

    Funny thing is that they would most prob buy the services to sell you at 7k anyway!

    Be interesting to see how your 200 woth of work progresses on the engines!
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    i think Matt here also can do this for you for around $200 price.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Yes but the seo company would have laminated business cards and a funky water cooler that dispenses hot water too. You just can't put a price on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    what a ridiculously naive bunch of responses!

    companies have overheads. BIG overheads. if they have staff and premises to pay for, you'd better believe your fee will be going towards paying for that.

    you took a huge gamble in hiring somebody online, and it paid off, but don't think for one moment that SEO companies are somehow ripping people off which is what you are suggesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      what a ridiculously naive bunch of responses!

      companies have overheads. BIG overheads. if they have staff and premises to pay for, you'd better believe your fee will be going towards paying for that.

      you took a huge gamble in hiring somebody online, and it paid off, but don't think for one moment that SEO companies are somehow ripping people off which is what you are suggesting.
      Nope, I'm pretty sure he was just suggesting there's a lot of money to be made in SEO, that's all.

      And if a company wants to have 'BIG overheads', let them. It doesn't mean it should translate into a higher premium for potential customers, especially if smarter marketers are operating with much less overheads.

      The problem with the SEO game, for people who know nothing about SEO, is that it's hard to know what exactly you're paying for. It's akin to taking your car to the mechanic and not having the slightest clue about exactly what work was done. Sure, you may be provided with a report and so on, but you still probably won't know what exactly was done, how much effort and expertise it real took, etc...
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by thetruth23 View Post

        Nope, I'm pretty sure he was just suggesting there's a lot of money to be made in SEO, that's all.

        And if a company wants to have 'BIG overheads', let them. It doesn't mean it should translate into a higher premium for potential customers, especially if smarter marketers are operating with much less overheads.

        The problem with the SEO game, for people who know nothing about SEO, is that it's hard to know what exactly you're paying for. It's akin to taking your car to the mechanic and not having the slightest clue about exactly what work was done. Sure, you may be provided with a report and so on, but you still probably won't know what exactly was done, how much effort and expertise it real took, etc...
        most agencies have a day rate that does not change per client. if he was quoted X number of days at X rate by an agency with staff and premises, it's going to cost significantly more than a bedroom freelancer would charge! even if the results are somewhat similar - which i doubt they actually are - most agencies won't simply try to target one keyword, there will be much more intelligence deployed. another cost/advantage
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    • Profile picture of the author matt5409
      Originally Posted by londonwarrior View Post

      $7000 not a rip-off. Come off it. You don't need falsh offices to do SEO. You just need a desk and a PC. That is an absolute ridiculous price to pay. It sounds like you are the naive one, or maybe you own an SEO company that charges those prices.

      Just think about it. $7,000 is well above average for someone doing SEO in India. So you could get someone working for you for a whole year for that price and still have change.
      yea but no disrespect, i wouldn't trust an SEO from india as far as i could throw them.

      the point is, an agency will meet with you, probably including an account manager and a couple of professionals - they will put together a strategy - a LONG TERM plan that will increase your traffic and sales. they wont simply say "hey i'll get you to page 1 for this keyword" - that is NOT what SEO is actually about!

      and yes, I sell SEO services, my costs are monthly and range from £200-£1500 per client per month, usually to a 6-12 month contract.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raggy1988
        Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

        yea but no disrespect, i wouldn't trust an SEO from india as far as i could throw them.

        the point is, an agency will meet with you, probably including an account manager and a couple of professionals - they will put together a strategy - a LONG TERM plan that will increase your traffic and sales. they wont simply say "hey i'll get you to page 1 for this keyword" - that is NOT what SEO is actually about!

        and yes, I sell SEO services, my costs are monthly and range from £200-£1500 per client per month, usually to a 6-12 month contract.
        With 7000 pounds you can fly to India a couple of times or even let the Indian fly to your country and let him/her stay there for a while, until the job is finished. Think about that.

        I have outsourced my website to India with incredible results. I achieved this with a significant lower cost then I would do the job at companies in other countries.
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          That is fantastic but I bet you paid more then £200 (or $300) though.

          Originally Posted by Raggy1988 View Post

          With 7000 pounds you can fly to India a couple of times or even let the Indian fly to your country and let him/her stay there for a while, until the job is finished. Think about that.

          I have outsourced my website to India with incredible results. I achieved this with a significant lower cost then I would do the job at companies in other countries.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by londonwarrior View Post

      $7000 not a rip-off? Come off it. You don't need flash offices to do SEO. You just need a desk and a PC. That is an absolute ridiculous price to pay. It sounds like you are the naive one, or maybe you own an SEO company that charges those prices.

      Just think about it. $7,000 is well above average for someone doing SEO in India. So you could get someone working for you for a whole year for that price and still have change.
      Disagree. People doing SEO in india often don't get the work done.

      You pay right for SEO and you won't regret it. I start off plans at $1,000 a month and I'm considered CHEAP. Would you rather spend $200 and make 300% of that, or spend 7,000 and NET about 21K?

      Truth is, you can have a firm handle your SEO and your results are going to be better than a typical offshore SEO guy. For 7 grand you're probably getting PPC too.

      The only way you could even compete is if you knew what you were doing and had time to manage all your outsourcers.

      Chances are, if you choose an SEO firm, you will end up ranking for 10 times the amount of keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Posts like this P*SS me off. I agree 100% with Matt5409.

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  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    So the SEO from Warrior has got you to the first page or is it work in progress?

    If the result has been achived, it sounds ridiculously cheap because 120,000 exact searches is a lot.

    I am sorry to be little distrusting but it kind of sounds too good to be true. Even if someone is in India, if they are providing great results, they would change a little less then the US or the UK but not this low. Its like providing a great article for $2 when based the time and effort that has gone into, they should be charging $15: something that seldom occurs.

    Originally Posted by options View Post

    i contacted a seo company here in the uk to target 1 keyword on google.co.uk i was quoted £7,000. just by using the warrior for hire section here i have done it for about £200..

    Keyword gets about 120,000 per month and the competition is quite hard.

    Just goes to show you what kind of money they are making and probably using the same techniques..
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
      Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

      So the SEO from Warrior has got you to the first page or is it work in progress?

      If the result has been achived, it sounds ridiculously cheap because 120,000 exact searches is a lot.

      I am sorry to be little distrusting but it kind of sounds too good to be true. Even if someone is in India, if they are providing great results, they would change a little less then the US or the UK but not this low. Its like providing a great article for $2 when based the time and effort that has gone into, they should be charging $15: something that seldom occurs.

      I wouldn't say it's ridiculously cheap by any means. He's talking pounds, not dollars, so in dollar terms it's $300. You'd be amazed at the services you could get on here for $100, let alone $300. And I wouldn't say that 120,000 searches is really all that much.

      I've had first page google successes targeting single search terms getting over 500k searches a month and all I'm doing is using magic submitter and then spending about $70-$100 for people's services on here. So that quote for £7000 which is the equivalent to $11000 is a complete rip off in anyone's book.
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        I just checked out the services on offer here and most seem to be about forum profiles, blog commenting, article spinning and submission to thousands of blogs / article directories (through AMR and UAW). Also there is directory submissions too.

        If you have a keyword that is getting 120,000 EXACT searches a month are these techniques going to be sufficient I am wondering? I bet the the sites on the first page are not using forum profiles, XRumer / Scrapebox blasts etc to the money site. Perhaps the quality of the links you'd get with the $11,000 investment is much more. Just wondering.

        Originally Posted by sorrellaff View Post

        I wouldn't say it's ridiculously cheap by any means. He's talking pounds, not dollars, so in dollar terms it's $300. You'd be amazed at the services you could get on here for $100, let alone $300. And I wouldn't say that 120,000 searches is really all that much.

        I've had first page google successes targeting single search terms getting over 500k searches a month and all I'm doing is using magic submitter and then spending about $70-$100 for people's services on here. So that quote for £7000 which is the equivalent to $11000 is a complete rip off in anyone's book.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
          Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

          I just checked out the services on offer here and most seem to be about forum profiles, blog commenting, article spinning and submission to thousands of blogs / article directories (through AMR and UAW). Also there is directory submissions too.

          If you have a keyword that is getting 120,000 EXACT searches a month are these techniques going to be sufficient I am wondering? I bet the the sites on the first page are not using forum profiles, XRumer / Scrapebox blasts etc to the money site. Perhaps the quality of the links you'd get with the $11,000 investment is much more. Just wondering.

          There's plenty of services on here that will specifically target links from +PR2 sites if you so desire. High PR links from some guy in his underwear who freelances are worth just the same to google as from a company with a flashy office and snooty secretary. I doubt that the googlebot really cares who gets the links for you.

          And intelligent xrumer blasts can give you some amazing results if your other seo efforts are up to scratch.
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          • Originally Posted by sorrellaff View Post

            There's plenty of services on here that will specifically target links from +PR2 sites if you so desire. High PR links from some guy in his underwear who freelances are worth just the same to google as from a company with a flashy office and snooty secretary. I doubt that the googlebot really cares who gets the links for you.

            And intelligent xrumer blasts can give you some amazing results if your other seo efforts are up to scratch.
            are xrumer links just profile links? If so, it's not because the links are good, but because they're enough to beat out your competitors.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paxton
              There's room for all prices and everybody is of course free to pick and choose.

              Nothing against low cost solutions, but sometimes the job calls for a bit more. If the job the freelancer on WF did was like for like with that the SEO company would have done, then the OP was right in going the way he did.

              Thing is an Aston Martin is a car. So is a Dacia. Prices are a bit different though.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    $200 to get one keyword to first page rankings isnt SEO at all. Its "hacking"
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      $200 to get one keyword to first page rankings isnt SEO at all. Its "hacking"
      UK Pounds not dollers...

      Not sure how you hack into google... its all whitehat tactics with some great high pr links..
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    7000 pound for getting for ranking only 1 keyword..thats really unbelievable.Better is outsourcing this job at a cheap price in any freelancing site.And you have made a good business by spending only 200 pound for ranking that keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    also nobody has mentioned ROI. if an SEO campaign can deliver 20k in sales, a 7k investment is nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author BudgetSEO
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    If the value they provide their clients is worth the price I honestly don't see a problem. You also need to consider, as Matt above rightly pointed out, larger providers will have all kinds of overheads and costs a freelancer in the warriors for hire section wont have.

    Something else to consider; You're likely not their target market either. Which changes everything if you think about it.

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    I agree with you here, its not just the no. of searches a month but the results too, i mean its easy to rank on page one where we have xx,xxx results, while some niche having a few million to a few billion results and your standing is somewhere in double digit page (i mean 10, or after that) i feel its rightly charged. Just ensure the work they do is whitehat & not some xrumer & stuff (lols :p)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Annuar
    With 7000 pounds you could probably come out with an AdWords campaign that can double the money via arbitrage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    It's interesting to see the kind of responses this kind of a topic generates on the forum.

    In simple economic terms, if a buyer is ready to pay the price which the seller has quoted, it does not make the seller unethical just because there are 'other' sellers, selling at lower prices - EVEN if all of them give the same results.

    Sure, the OP got it done cheap because he KNEW of cheaper options.

    The company that quoted 7k is not responsible for telling other customers about cheaper options. Buyers have to do their due diligence - that's pretty obvious.

    The OP did his due diligence and got it done for way less than he would have paid the company. But the company is not 'wrong' in charging the price it does.

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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    Originally Posted by options View Post

    i contacted a seo company here in the uk to target 1 keyword on google.co.uk i was quoted £7,000. just by using the warrior for hire section here i have done it for about £200..

    Keyword gets about 120,000 per month and the competition is quite hard.

    Just goes to show you what kind of money they are making and probably using the same techniques..
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  • isn't 7 k dollars btw. He means pounds, that's around 11-12,000 dollars

    But I've found better companies. Found a uk client that has a fixed price but also work a long side you to make sure that your investment converts on the sales side of things, if sales is your goal.

    then I know of another that says you don't pay until you reach a certain rank. So for example before your reach rank 30, you pay nothing. Here's an example:

    Keyword :- tennis shoes

    They say it receives 301,000 searches per month, but that must be the broad term. Either way they say that anything above rank 30 you wont pay for. They then tell you if the SEO opportunity is great compared to your domain.

    For rank 30-21 you have to pay 34$ a month.
    For 20-11 you have to pay 59$ a month.
    10-7 84$ a month.
    6-4 101$ a month.
    top 3 118$ a month.

    Then you also pay rankings for bing and yahoo too, but the cost is almost half the google rankings.

    They provide you with additional keywords you might like and also a report of the links they do when you log in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I must be missing something here......

    What the hell does the country the person/company is in have to do with the quality of results and work that gets done?

    Someone in India can do just as good a job as someone in the US or anywhere else.

    When it comes to charges and getting ripped off it's very naive of some people to think that companies charging high fees are doing their clients a disservice.

    In fact - if you think seo should only cost a few hundred dollars then that says more about you than anything else.

    I have a software company and one of our products sells for around $70k - if we charged less than that we wouldn't even get taken seriously. I know that warriors wouldn't even pay $1000 for it but we have happy customers that have paid 100 times that.

    The moral of this story is - value is in the eye of the beholder.

    I have SEO clients who pay me for the same thing you can get via WFH and WSOs for 10 times less. But they would never buy from those and they buy because they know and trust me and I get results - that element of trust outways any amount of undercutting a competitor could ever do.

    What some people here don't understand is that there are people out there who judge things based on price. If something is cheap - they consider it as low quality and won't even consider buying it.

    If YOU want to only charge a few hundred bucks for your services then you're cutting out those customers just the same as if you charge more you'll filter out low ticket customers.

    What you charge says more about you and your target audience than what you're providing.

    I do hypnosis for $250 an hour - I know people that charge $2500 for the exact same thing - for them it's their business, for me it's just a way to help people.

    Don't confuse the price of something with the value.

    One of my clients recently got $2M of business from a company that found them via their website. They've only paid me about $35k so they're stoked about the value of what they've got but they could've got the same thing from outsourcing to India for much less - do they care? No.....

    I do understand why people think charging a lot seems dishonest but like someone already said - when it's your business and you have costs, brand and targets to consider it's not like sitting at home doing it in your spare time, or just playing marketer online.

    It's all good. Just don't judge others too quickly because you may just not understand the dynamics of the way they do business and what their customers want and value.

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  • Profile picture of the author Aarron
    It still never ceases to amaze me that some companies charge the world for things many warriors could do for a fraction of the price!

    Maybe it's just our good nature as warrior members but many of us seem to undercharge clients too, I guess we love to add value and see clients happy rather than try to become fat cats off the back off of unsuspecting small and medium offline/online businesses.

    Well done
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      I think we are all talking cross-purposes here

      The OP is saying you can charge £7000 for something that could be done for £200. Lesson being, that you can charge more for your services than you think, perhaps by venturing outside the WF into the real world

      On the flip side as a buyer it may make sense to pay the £7k if you need the relationship and face-to-face factor, and you expect to make a lot of money anyway from the site that will dwarf the SEO costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Professional SEO companies don't want affiliate/internet marketers as clients, they want really firms and companies who can commit to long term contracts.

    Do you really think a multimillion pound business is going to go on Warrior Forum and trust someone with their reputation? How would it look if a serious company had tons of profile links and 'nice post' comment backlinks? It would look like Company X was spamming and polluting the web hardcore and that isn't good publicity know is it? They'd also risk being ratted on to Google as we all know there are lots of jealous people out there who love to bring others down.

    That is why SEO companies charge what they do. It's based on accountability, reporting, trust, experience and of course the quality of the service. A linking specialist in an SEO firm will spend 8 hours a day doing nothing but linking and keeping up to date on developments. Let's be real, that is the expert you want for your business.

    I would probably not advice internet marketers to hire an SEO company as it would be too expensive for most, but if you're at that point where you are considering running a television ad or investing in SEO, then skip the Warriors For Hire section and talk to your best local SEO company (who is most likely not the ones ranking highest).
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    i contacted a seo company here in the uk to target 1 keyword on google.co.uk i was quoted £7,000. just by using the warrior for hire section here i have done it for about £200..

    Keyword gets about 120,000 per month and the competition is quite hard.

    Just goes to show you what kind of money they are making and probably using the same techniques..
    First of all, it's great that you were able to achieve your goal.

    My only question or concern is how was that goal achieved?

    Anybody with a copy of xrumer or scrapebox can rank any site for any keyword but is that something you are comfortable with? The same goes for profile backlinks.

    When it comes to cheaper SEO alternatives, automation and spamming are the primary methods used.

    I'm not saying that some of the bigger SEO companies don't use those methods as well but the good ones typically rely less on quick and easy and more on long term and ranking sustainability.

    You didn't give much information on the keyword or how long your site has held it's ranking but you could be enjoying a temporary ranking boost and in a month find your site sitting down at #859.

    I went through my automation phase and had many sites shoot right up to the first page and are now sitting down at the bottom of the list no matter what I do to revive them. Yes, I was blinded by the easy button and poor SEO practices.

    This doesn't mean automation and some of the spammier tools don't work but they can also backfire on you if not used properly. There is more to SEO, especially if you want long-term sustainable results, than simply hitting the easy button on a piece of software.

    But, rant aside, good job and I hope your results stick.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      First of all, it's great that you were able to achieve your goal.

      My only question or concern is how was that goal achieved?

      Anybody with a copy of xrumer or scrapebox can rank any site for any keyword but is that something you are comfortable with? The same goes for profile backlinks.

      When it comes to cheaper SEO alternatives, automation and spamming are the primary methods used.

      I'm not saying that some of the bigger SEO companies don't use those methods as well but the good ones typically rely less on quick and easy and more on long term and ranking sustainability.

      You didn't give much information on the keyword or how long your site has held it's ranking but you could be enjoying a temporary ranking boost and in a month find your site sitting down at #859.

      I went through my automation phase and had many sites shoot right up to the first page and are now sitting down at the bottom of the list no matter what I do to revive them. Yes, I was blinded by the easy button and poor SEO practices.

      This doesn't mean automation and some of the spammier tools don't work but they can also backfire on you if not used properly. There is more to SEO, especially if you want long-term sustainable results, than simply hitting the easy button on a piece of software.

      But, rant aside, good job and I hope your results stick.
      I diversified the backlinks from blog comments,articles,directories,edu&gov links. and some onpage stuff too
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  • Profile picture of the author Palusko
    I bet JC Penney paid much more to their SEO agency... I guess they were happy at first, when things were going great for them. I don't think they are so happy now...
    Big money does not guarantee results. It certainly does not guarantee fair practices. But the same can be said about little money. Do your homework first.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I regularly charge $97 for page one rankings to Warriors. Is it making us money. Close to $105k in the last three months alone. And that is only from Warriors. So yeah there is great money to be made in SEO.

    But does it mean someone who charges $7000 is ripping folks off? It's ridiculous to suggest it. All SEO campaigns are not created equal. Some sites need more on page optimization than other sites. Some need more backlinks than others. While other campaigns only work well with one certain type of backlinks.

    Is someone who is selling a $50,000 Jaguar ripping folks off if there is a clunker in the paper being sold for $200?

    It's the same issue with SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    It amazes me how many people want to create a fortune, yet expect to make that fortune by outlaying $5.

    *shakes head....
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    wow what a response..

    I phoned the company and asked what it would cost to have a page 1 ranking on google.co.uk for 1 keyword and in xxxx niche top ten

    There reply was well we can get you there and the cost is £7000 or we can put on a monthly payment basis of £300 per month and build links for you on a monthly basis. This was for 1 keyword!

    Yes i know companys like that have massive overheads and you pay through the nose for it.. My point is the warriors on here can do a fantastic job.. for a fraction of the cost.

    I have chosen warriors with good reviews and results thats why i made it to page 1 for that price, i have every faith that the site will stay there.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Uhm...do you think that the "JCPenny" SEO firm did ANYTHING else than your pakistani friend who charges $200 for some Xrumer runs and profiles?

    Point is..while $7000 *might* be legit for *some* SEO companies...please dont deny that many SEo companies do exactly the same thing as the little indian on the forum. I say "many", but of course not all.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Out of interest, is the keyphrase "essex jobs"??
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Out of interest, is the keyphrase "essex jobs"??
      No its not.. i cant really post the keyword on here..

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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        No its not.. i cant really post the keyword on here..

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        Yeah no worries. Id be interested in knowing if the site holds position.
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        • Profile picture of the author options
          Well its at position 5 at the moment and has been there for 2 weeks.. i will post here if it starts to fall off..

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  • Profile picture of the author P.Sharma
    if you know what you need to get done, you can get it done for very cheap. On the other hand if you have no knowledge of the subject that you want to venture in you could burn a deep hole in your pocket. Knowledge is power
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