Disaster Marketing - Should You or Shouldn't You?

by omk
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Should you take advantage of a disaster, pandemic, or similar emergency?

Unfortunately disasters, just like other events are known to spike certain keywords online.

As soon as an earthquake or tsunami occurs, you can bet that the most searched keywords will have something to do with earthquakes, tsunami, disaster, emergency or 72 hour kits.


As marketers we all know that news or world events can provide
a prime marketing opportunity. But how do you take advantage of the internet's focus on the disaster without feeling guilty?

Disaster Marketing 101 - what not to do:

1)Do not over hype the tragedy - State the facts. No fear mongering.

2)Always make it a win win situation. Provide value in the product or service you offer.

3)Don’t target disaster keywords if your product or service aren’t closly tied to the keywords searched for.

4)Consider creating separate blogs or sites that contain just information, links or other resources that can help disaster victims or those related to victims.

5)Monitor the severity of the disaster closely . If things begin to get seriously out of control and strike a little too close to home, don’t continue your marketing efforts. Instead see what you can personally do to help, whether it be donating funds, food, blood or your own labor.

6)To help you sleep at night, if you generate a significant amount of cash during your disaster marketing, consider donating a portion of the proceeds to a disaster relief fund or organisation. Try and target organisations that are actually sending people or resources to the striken area.

7)In your disaster marketing efforts, you may make more money by letting buyers know that a portion of your earnings will go to help those that have been affected.

Finally, Natural or man-made disasters are a part of life. If you manage your disaster marketing efforts correctly, you can feel good about yourself at the end of the day. You’ll know that you actually helped people become informed and feel safer. Or better yet, maybe you were actually able to provide a product or service to those that were actually affected.

*** Please note that I am neither recommending this type of marketing, nor am I discouraging it. I wrote this post mainly as a warning to those who do. I feel that there's a fine line between taking advantage of a situation and actually being able to provide a product or service that may help. I think it's a sticky problem with this type of stuff.

If you do delve into this territory, are you actually helping or taking advantage? I remember a few years ago in New York, we had a huge power outage and while it was widely reported that a vast region of the metro area had no power and phones - there were still a huge amount of people that still had access to their internet service, and were able to go online - myself included. Could many of these people have been searching online for help or safety tips during this type of emergency?
Who knows? Indeed, during the worst disasters, most of those affected would have no access to the internet.

I know that with the recent quakes around the world, many people have felt at least a little safer knowing that they either have or have ordered preparedness kits online for themselves or their families. Will that make a difference? Probably not for the worst scenarios, but it does help them feel safer knowing they have food, water and supplies on hand that can at least give them a chance at survival.

Anyway, I posted this to encourage a lively debate and see what other marketers think about this type of ambulance chasing marketing. ****
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  • Profile picture of the author Aarron
    If you are marketing to make money to donate to the disaster charities then maybe, but I think it is pretty unethical to try and make money off the back of a tragedy to be honest.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm certaininly ont a hater of things, but really, I think the hype should be steered towards raising money to help the charities involved in the disasters and what not.

    Sure you could possibly make a few bucks yourself in the process if you don't feel too dirty doing that, but I personally don't think I would like to try and make money purely off the back of something like that for my own good.

    Just my 2 cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
    Personally I'd find it very distasteful to cash in on someone else's misfortune but that's just my opinion.

    I would simply ask myself how I would feel about someone trying to make money from something which affected myself, family or friends so drastically.

    Originally Posted by omk View Post

    ... you may make more money by letting buyers know that a portion of your earnings will go to help those that have been affected.
    I don't wish to be rude but I find that even more distasteful than the concept of disaster marketing in itself. To me it's being manipulative to try and paint a picture of generosity just to line my own pocket while cashing in on someones suffering. But again that's just my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author Slickest
    You could have an ongoing site - (I have one) about disaster preparedness products and techniques - in general, there is no reason to not blog about recent events as warnings, and reasons about why we should be prepared. I don't think it's unethical. People are searching for information to protect themselves, and you should give them what they're looking for. Make it a helpful site, not one that incites panic and you should sleep well at night.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rhiannon Beckham
      Originally Posted by Slickest View Post

      You could have an ongoing site - (I have one) about disaster preparedness products and techniques - in general, there is no reason to not blog about recent events as warnings, and reasons about why we should be prepared. I don't think it's unethical. People are searching for information to protect themselves, and you should give them what they're looking for. Make it a helpful site, not one that incites panic and you should sleep well at night.
      From my perspective, I guess, the motives that I would be putting into it- is for preparedness. I'll be the first to admit that I did just buy up a set of keyword domains that are going to be a huge part of our future, and in monetizing them it's in my head not to capitalize on peoples misery of what has already happened, but to prepare people for what's to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
    Originally Posted by omk View Post

    Should you take advantage of a disaster, pandemic, or similar emergency?



    Finally, Natural or man-made disasters are a part of life. If you manage your disaster marketing efforts correctly, you can feel good about yourself at the end of the day. You'll know that you actually helped people become informed and feel safer. Or better yet, maybe you were actually able to provide a product or service to those that were actually affected.
    They may be a part of life but that isn't a reason to take advantage of them for personal gain. Those who are "actually affected" will be unlikely to be searching on the internet for products or services.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      I would never in a million years think about 'taking advantage' of anything like this, and it concerns me that anyone else would. Donate money, encourage more people to donate but there should be no financial gain to yourself at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
        Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

        I would never in a million years think about 'taking advantage' of anything like this, and it concerns me that anyone else would. Donate money, encourage more people to donate but there should be no financial gain to yourself at all.
        I totally agree. Add a code to donate on your websites. Link to the Red Cross or something. Don't try to make money yourself! Why would you?!
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesW
    I'm shocked that you're even asking the question to be honest. There are thousands of products you can create or promote as an affiliate, so why would anyone even consider cashing in on natural disasters of all things??? Just because it is on the other side of the world, does not make it any less tragic. These are real people lives we're talking about here.

    It's entirely up to you of course, but I personally couldn't live with myself for doing such a thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
    Originally Posted by omk View Post

    Should you take advantage of a disaster, pandemic, or similar emergency?

    Unfortunately disasters, just like other events are known to spike certain keywords online.

    As soon as an earthquake or tsunami occurs, you can bet that the most searched keywords will have something to do with earthquakes, tsunami, disaster, emergency or 72 hour kits.


    As marketers we all know that news or world events can provide
    a prime marketing opportunity. But how do you take advantage of the internet's focus on the disaster without feeling guilty?

    Disaster Marketing 101 - what not to do:

    1)Do not over hype the tragedy - State the facts. No fear mongering.

    2)Always make it a win win situation. Provide value in the product or service you offer.

    3)Don't target disaster keywords if your product or service aren't closly tied to the keywords searched for.

    4)Consider creating separate blogs or sites that contain just information, links or other resources that can help disaster victims or those related to victims.

    5)Monitor the severity of the disaster closely . If things begin to get seriously out of control and strike a little too close to home, don't continue your marketing efforts. Instead see what you can personally do to help, whether it be donating funds, food, blood or your own labor.

    6)To help you sleep at night, if you generate a significant amount of cash during your disaster marketing, consider donating a portion of the proceeds to a disaster relief fund or organisation. Try and target organisations that are actually sending people or resources to the striken area.

    7)In your disaster marketing efforts, you may make more money by letting buyers know that a portion of your earnings will go to help those that have been affected.

    Finally, Natural or man-made disasters are a part of life. If you manage your disaster marketing efforts correctly, you can feel good about yourself at the end of the day. You'll know that you actually helped people become informed and feel safer. Or better yet, maybe you were actually able to provide a product or service to those that were actually affected.
    I think that is the situation at the moment. People are dying and left without shelter, water and basic human needs; and all you can think of is a way to profit from their plight? There is something seriously wrong with your way of thinking if you ask me.

    It's obvious you think it is wrong to capitalize on disasters of this nature, otherwise you would not have to do something in order to "sleep at night". In my opinion if you have to do something to counteract a horrible feeling that you have from something you are doing you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

    WOW. Just wow
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    If you want to sell this kind of stuff, the best way obviously is to do it before the disaster. We used to have a physical product that we sold to survivalist types and they were by far the best customers we have ever had.

    As far as cashing in on something like the disaster in Japan, it's tasteless and it makes you look bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yes ... absolutely. Build a site with links to verified disaster relief organizations and put 100% of the effort into charity and helping.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhiannon Beckham
    oh and I quoted that as to say 'I agree with you!' =)
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    I can make a little room in my life for that. ;)

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      The general fear around 2012 has given a lot of hype to mre (meals ready to eat) and other stuff like it.

      I guess you could use the disaster pikes to promote those to people in non affected areas. Anyone in the Pacific ring of fire are your target market for earthquakes and tsunamis.

      When these things happen, I spend most of the time channeling energy to mitigate the effects, so marketing is not exactly the first thing on my mind.

      To each its own I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
        Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

        The general fear around 2012 has given a lot of hype to mre (meals ready to eat) and other stuff like it.

        I guess you could use the disaster pikes to promote those to people in non affected areas. Anyone in the Pacific ring of fire are your target market for earthquakes and tsunamis.

        When these things happen, I spend most of the time channeling energy to mitigate the effects, so marketing is not exactly the first thing on my mind.

        To each its own I guess.
        My 8 year old was telling me about 2012 the other day. Severe solar storms are predicted that can wipe out satellites and power grids. I may just stock up on a few goods just in case. It could be just another Y2K over hyped media storm.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
          Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

          My 8 year old was telling me about 2012 the other day. Severe solar storms are predicted that can wipe out satellites and power grids. I may just stock up on a few goods just in case. It could be just another Y2K over hyped media storm.
          2012 doesn´t mean too much in itself. It is just the mathematical plane of the galaxy, the whole disk is about 30 years thick with 2012 in the middle. It also coincides with a turn of Earth precession (each 26K years or so).

          There are many things that can happen, some good, some not so good. To stock food and look into off grid solutions are things to look into. I found a guy to try the Tesla generator and see what happens, they are selling the plans in clickbank.

          But the most important thing is to remember who we really are and claim our power. Because if we have a pool of 100K people who remember... fun things can happen.

          In that case, we get out of the shaky period with not much damage.
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          • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
            I've posted in here before about this but I've been selling 2012 Armageddon Survival Kits for almost 2 years now on a bunch of sites (get 'em before it's too late ).

            Totally different thing than taking advantage of people who have just suffered a major loss of life and home though. Wouldn't do that - Ever.

            What would be appropriate is to take a look at how markets are going to shift for goods and services "as a result of" said natural disaster and see what you can do there in terms of being involved in new emerging markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    To play devils advocate,

    Is disaster related marketing really any worse than medical condition marketing? In both cases your taking advantage of a personal tragedy to profit.

    If I were to create a cancer awareness website loaded with adsense ads, is that worse than a Japan tsunami website packed with adsense ads?

    Is charging $19.95 for a How To Stop Smoking ebook less offensive and wouldn't the profits of that ebook be better served if donated to cancer research to help save lives?

    The tsunami in Japan is a big sexy natural disaster that grabs attention and news headlines but I've seen a lot of marketing websites that are profiting from the problems and tragedies of others.

    It doesn't mater what the cause of a persons pain and suffering is, even if it's teen acne, you're still profiting from another's pain and suffering.

    You don't think there is a 16 year old who is currently suffering with low self esteem and depression because of extreme acne who is willing to spend any amount or money to save himself from the daily humiliation of something he can't control?

    So, being that the general consensus is that it's wrong to take advantage of the tragedy in Japan, why is it moral to market to one and not the other?

    A fun little Saturday evening debate in morality

    OK, knocking the devil off my shoulder now.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
    Sandra,

    I have just spent the last 45 min looking for water purification kits, first aid kits and all that jazz. Problem is I'm going to end up buying enough for the whole block (that's just what I'm like) then find out in a few years it's still in the attic unused. Been checking all the tin goods now. I have some tuna that doesn't go out til 2015.

    Christopher,
    I for one don't participate in marketing of medical things. Number one I am not a doctor or specialist. And number 2. My moral compass just tells me to stay away from that sort of thing. I even got out of the acci berry niche because the horrible terms and conditions of the companies. I do not write articles that offer things that are designed to frighten, mislead people into parting with their cash. I don't think that offering people help quitting smoking is considered to be a medical niche. Smoking cigarettes by choice and being diagnosed with cancer or other disease are two separate entities.

    I have seen people on here that are almost willing to sell their grandmothers for a few dollars profit, and to be perfectly honest those type people make me sick. (you know who you are). Also offering people false hope for medical conditions or dishing out medical advice when you aren't a specialist is not a sustainable business model. Sooner or later people will uncover that you are a fraud, or you make yourself sound so desperate to get them to part with their cash they will just turn the other way. If I was diagnosed with cancer or some other condition the last thing I would do is buy a clickbank ebook called "cure your cancer in 7 days, or some other ridiculous title. And I certainly wouldn't trust any advice over the internet from someone who is obviously profiting from me accepting their advice.

    *rant over*
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

      Sandra,

      I have just spent the last 45 min looking for water purification kits, first aid kits and all that jazz. Problem is I'm going to end up buying enough for the whole block (that's just what I'm like) then find out in a few years it's still in the attic unused. Been checking all the tin goods now. I have some tuna that doesn't go out til 2015.
      water purification kits are not really useful if you only have rain water. Think about the scenarios. To purify rain water (provided there is nothing bad in the atmosphere), you only need to boil it 2 minutes at full boil, that kills all bacteria. For river water they are good, because you need filters.

      I have been looking into all this info to put together a database for my group, and the more I see the more amazed I am at Nature´s wisdom.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    AnnaHamer,

    Agree with you 100%

    Also, check the redcross website, they have a disaster kit list.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      AnnaHamer,

      Agree with you 100%

      Also, check the redcross website, they have a disaster kit list.
      They have really good ones available in the us with glow sticks and everything, but the ones in the UK are pretty basic. The only good ones I can get here are outdoor ones with too much stuff in. For instance, I don't think I will need any hypodermic needles and syringes.

      I want a basic first aid kit that has water purification tablets. Looks like I will have to buy just a basic kit and add what I want extra on top. The only thing that is difficult to know is how much to buy..enough for a week a month.....

      Any wanna go in with me writing a CB product on how to survive a disaster LOL...
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I've posted in here before about this but I've been selling 2012 Armageddon Survival Kits for almost 2 years now on a bunch of sites
    I wouldn't really consider 2012 related stuff taking advantage of anyone, it's like selling MRE's to survival nuts waiting for the Russian first strike.

    But, I may be singing a different toon on my birthday, December 21st, that's what all of the 2012 fuss is over right, my birthday party? It's going to be EPIC!
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      I wouldn't really consider 2012 related stuff taking advantage of anyone, it's like selling MRE's to survival nuts waiting for the Russian first strike.

      But, I may be singing a different toon on my birthday, December 21st, that's what all of the 2012 fuss is over right, my birthday party? It's going to be EPIC!
      Darn you weren't supposed to find out like this!

      Helping people prepare for a disaster is potentially saving lives. It's not the same as hangers on trying to get a few extra clicks in their adsense account. If you are already in that niche and are getting clicks because of it fair enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    There are a lot of people in this thread that are saying how unethical it is to make money off of tragedy. That is a little surprising, considering that this is exactly what some of the biggest companies in the world do.

    Here are four examples...

    1. Newspapers - they spend most of the night coming up with the best selling headline for their front page. Today, it was "Tragedy in Japan" or something like that.

    2. TV News - "Breaking video from the Japan disaster after these messages." Um, those messages aren't public service announcements.

    3. Government Contractors - They make their money when their employers go to war or there is a natural disaster, i.e. trailer companies after Katrina.

    4. Johnson & Johnson - They make band aids for when you six year old falls off his bike and scrapes his knee.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      There are a lot of people in this thread that are saying how unethical it is to make money off of tragedy. That is a little surprising, considering that this is exactly what some of the biggest companies in the world do.

      Here are four examples...

      1. Newspapers - they spend most of the night coming up with the best selling headline for their front page. Today, it was "Tragedy in Japan" or something like that.

      2. TV News - "Breaking video from the Japan disaster after these messages." Um, those messages aren't public service announcements.

      3. Government Contractors - They make their money when their employers go to war or there is a natural disaster, i.e. trailer companies after Katrina.

      4. Johnson & Johnson - They make band aids for when you six year old falls off his bike and scrapes his knee.
      1. People choose to buy Newspapers. They don't tell you that you are going to die if you don't buy their paper. Most of their revenue comes from selling adds to advertisers not keeping people updated.

      2. Again. Most of the revenue for the TV news is from advertisers. Apart from buying our televisions/radios, paying the electricity bill, and tv license fee (if your in the UK) those bulletins are free to the general public.

      3. Although those companies profit from government contracts apart from a few exceptions those companies are already up and running when the disaster happens. The don't set up shop cause they smell money.

      4. This is the most ridiculous statement of them all. Companies that sell first aid products are providing a service to families to be able to treat minor injuries at home. Does their marketing campaign say you and you children are going to die if you don't have any in the house. No, just that their handy to put on you boo boos. I would have a problem with these companies if they market up their products in the midst of a disaster.
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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

        1. People choose to buy Newspapers. They don't tell you that you are going to die if you don't buy their paper. Most of their revenue comes from selling adds to advertisers not keeping people updated.

        2. Again. Most of the revenue for the TV news is from advertisers. Apart from buying our televisions/radios, paying the electricity bill, and tv license fee (if your in the UK) those bulletins are free to the general public.

        3. Although those companies profit from government contracts apart from a few exceptions those companies are already up and running when the disaster happens. The don't set up shop cause they smell money.

        4. This is the most ridiculous statement of them all. Companies that sell first aid products are providing a service to families to be able to treat minor injuries at home. Does their marketing campaign say you and you children are going to die if you don't have any in the house. No, just that their handy to put on you boo boos. I would have a problem with these companies if they market up their products in the midst of a disaster.
        I think that you missed my point in each bullet.

        It doesn't matter that the advertising dollars come from companies that have nothing to do with tragic events. My point was that the news agencies make their money from tragedy, whether it's a tsunami or a shooting downtown.

        Are you saying that there is a difference between a company that is up and running making money off of a disaster and a company that is formed in the wake of a disaster that makes money from said disaster? If so, why?

        The band aid bullet was tongue in cheek. An attempt at humor.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      There are a lot of people in this thread that are saying how unethical it is to make money off of tragedy. That is a little surprising, considering that this is exactly what some of the biggest companies in the world do.

      Here are four examples...

      1. Newspapers - they spend most of the night coming up with the best selling headline for their front page. Today, it was "Tragedy in Japan" or something like that.

      2. TV News - "Breaking video from the Japan disaster after these messages." Um, those messages aren't public service announcements.

      3. Government Contractors - They make their money when their employers go to war or there is a natural disaster, i.e. trailer companies after Katrina.

      4. Johnson & Johnson - They make band aids for when you six year old falls off his bike and scrapes his knee.
      Yes, big companies are making money out of pain... there is much more...

      Petrochemicals sponsor many of the wars in the world

      Cars would be running out of dirty kitchen oil since long ago

      Tesla worked on electricity generators based on something similar to subquantum mechanics in the 1920s... we don´t really need the big electric plants

      And there is sooo much more... actually it is VERY difficult to find products to sell that are real needs and will genuinely help people. Nature has it all figured it out... I settled in the green niche, sort of...
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    • Profile picture of the author eleary
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      There are a lot of people in this thread that are saying how unethical it is to make money off of tragedy. That is a little surprising, considering that this is exactly what some of the biggest companies in the world do.

      Here are four examples...

      1. Newspapers - they spend most of the night coming up with the best selling headline for their front page. Today, it was "Tragedy in Japan" or something like that.

      2. TV News - "Breaking video from the Japan disaster after these messages." Um, those messages aren't public service announcements.

      3. Government Contractors - They make their money when their employers go to war or there is a natural disaster, i.e. trailer companies after Katrina.

      4. Johnson & Johnson - They make band aids for when you six year old falls off his bike and scrapes his knee.
      EBR,
      I cannot agree with you more. I just left another post where I said that tragedy creates opportunity. In the US, some of the best businesses are started after major times of crisis like World War II, or even someone losing their job.
      It's in the way that you work that makes the difference - are you providing quality.... Newspapers and television stations are providing a service that people want - we could say that they are helping people....
      Years ago, I worked in transportation, when the northeast got hit with serious snow storms, the company made more money. I was sad for the people of course, happy for my business, but never lost sleep over it. I was providing a service that the people in the northeast needed - sending products like generators and salt.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        I wouldn't do it personally. To me, there's a big difference between someone who's not happy with what they see when they look in the mirror and wants to lose a few pounds, and somebody who's in shock, grief and mourning. Some of these people have lost loved ones, friends, their homes, their livelihoods...For me to sit there looking at them with dollar signs in my eyes rubbing my grubby little mitts together like "JACKPOT!!" would be shady as hell. Not cool.

        That said, if you're offering a product or service that legitimately helps people recover from the disaster then that's fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
        Originally Posted by eleary View Post

        EBR,
        I cannot agree with you more. I just left another post where I said that tragedy creates opportunity. In the US, some of the best businesses are started after major times of crisis like World War II, or even someone losing their job.
        It's in the way that you work that makes the difference - are you providing quality.... Newspapers and television stations are providing a service that people want - we could say that they are helping people....
        Years ago, I worked in transportation, when the northeast got hit with serious snow storms, the company made more money. I was sad for the people of course, happy for my business, but never lost sleep over it. I was providing a service that the people in the northeast needed - sending products like generators and salt.
        It is true that tragedy creates opportunities. There is also a bigger responsibility involved. Because the quality of the information you provide or the product you sell can be the difference between living or dying.

        It is not that you have to assume complete responsibility just for selling it, but there is a responsibility about doing the homework the best we can. And put people first, money later.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
    Well Sandra I live in England, so they will be no shortage of rain water that's for sure. There's also a river not that far away, so maybe buckets would be something to add to the list. This may sound stupid but can't you filter the water with coffee filters or cheese cloth?

    BTW I've read the OP again, and I think the poster had the best intentions with this thread. However, it is a sensitive subject; and it's hard to take the fact there are sick people will be rubbing their hands together trying to figure out how to make a quick buck out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

      Well Sandra I live in England, so they will be no shortage of rain water that's for sure. There's also a river not that far away, so maybe buckets would be something to add to the list. This may sound stupid but can't you filter the water with coffee filters or cheese cloth?

      BTW I've read the OP again, and I think the poster had the best intentions with this thread. However, it is a sensitive subject; and it's hard to take the fact there are sick people will be rubbing their hands together trying to figure out how to make a quick buck out of it.
      You can filter with cloth, but it will look dirty nonetheless. You can leave it alone so you have a phase separation. The best is to use some type of centrifugation system. But for this you need electricity. This is why I´m researching off grid electricity options more viable than solar. Solar panels are usually too weak, and kind of expensive.

      For first aids, I would add a good stash of different essential oils, you can treat most of day to day problems with them. They need to be food grade or pharmaceutical grade.

      It is true, the OP intent was not bad. I didn´t take it like that at all. I´m just a bit tired, so I might have imprinted the text. Usually I am very careful with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I want a basic first aid kit that has water purification tablets. Looks like I will have to buy just a basic kit and add what I want extra on top. The only thing that is difficult to know is how much to buy..enough for a week a month
    If we are talking biblical end of days type stuff, I don't think it matters. You'd only be prolonging the inevitable.

    For a typical disaster you want around a weeks worth of supplies. After a week most rescue, humanitarian aid and support agencies are in place.

    A lot your planning also has to do with were you live and your financial state. There is a big difference between Japan, Haiti and New Orleans and if you are living in a redcross tent or taking an unexpected vacation at the Hilton. If an earthquake hits and my car isn't crushed, I'm going to Las Vegas
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      If we are talking biblical end of days type stuff, I don't think it matters. You'd only be prolonging the inevitable.

      For a typical disaster you want around a weeks worth of supplies. After a week most rescue, humanitarian aid and support agencies are in place.

      A lot your planning also has to do with were you live and your financial state. There is a big difference between Japan, Haiti and New Orleans and if you are living in a redcross tent or taking an unexpected vacation at the Hilton. If an earthquake hits and my car isn't crushed, I'm going to Las Vegas
      My planning is non existent at the moment so anything extra would be a plus. I have a few band-aids, some antiseptic wipes and a few cans of tuna that expire in 2015. There's no excuse for it really, but I guess it's human nature to cost thinking nothing bad is ever going to happen to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
    Sandra,

    That comment about the original post wasn't aimed at you. Sorry, my posting style can be a bit sporadic. Was speaking more to myself. I don't even think I finished reading the post before I started posting (silly me).

    Christopher,

    I forgot that people like the red cross would come marching in. I am originally from new orleans, and it took around 5 days to get relief set up and flowing. And that was in the most dismal conditions; they just couldn't get to the people. The solar storms however should just knock out power and radio signals, so reaching places with aid shouldn't take more than 2-3 days max. However, it is supposed to be a world wide so getting aid to EVERYBODY may be a slight logistics nightmare.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

      Sandra,

      That comment about the original post wasn't aimed at you. Sorry, my posting style can be a bit sporadic. Was speaking more to myself. I don't even think I finished reading the post before I started posting (silly me).
      Yes, I know.

      But I might have imprinted and put some self righteous crap on my own message. Not the intent at all; everyone have a place in the big picture.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
    E. Brian.

    Yes, I think there is a massive difference. For instance, Say some type of disaster happens happens and I need, say, bandaids. I don't think there's a problem with a drugstore selling me band-aids at what I would have paid before the disaster hits. What I would have a problem with is some guy on the roadside with a shopping cart selling me 2 band-aids for $10. Or buying a newspaper when I want to be informed when something is going on. That's fine. But some guy knocking on my door offering me a news report for $5.

    I admit, some times there is a very fine line. Especially with the law of supply and demand.

    I have a huge conscience, it's just not in my makeup to apply marketing strategies where I'm questioning if I have done the right thing. I make enough money without having to apply such tactics anyway.

    I think this thread is just a catalyst for me to vent about how I feel about some internet marketers. Blue farters, and people that promise the world to push some regurgitated PLR crap product. Everyday in this business I have to wade through all the crap to find a decent product to promote. Also, I have seen some dirty things from people that claim to be respectable marketers, and people following them around like little sheep. It doesn't really make me mad what they are doing on their own, it's the fact that people hang on their every word and wait with baited breath for their next product, that is usually out of date within a few weeks cause the powers that be get a whiff of what they are doing.

    I also would like to advocate the importance of a moral (or as moral as possible) business model. If you are sincere in what you do, you WILL go from strength to strength. If not someday people will see you for the slimeball you are. I have seen this some of the "big boys" fall, and get called out for the liars they are, and it makes me laugh EVERY time.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by AnnaHamer View Post

      E. Brian.

      Yes, I think there is a massive difference. For instance, Say some type of disaster happens happens and I need, say, bandaids. I don't think there's a problem with a drugstore selling me band-aids at what I would have paid before the disaster hits. What I would have a problem with is some guy on the roadside with a shopping cart selling me 2 band-aids for $10. Or buying a newspaper when I want to be informed when something is going on. That's fine. But some guy knocking on my door offering me a news report for $5.

      I admit, some times there is a very fine line. Especially with the law of supply and demand.

      I have a huge conscience, it's just not in my makeup to apply marketing strategies where I'm questioning if I have done the right thing. I make enough money without having to apply such tactics anyway.

      I think this thread is just a catalyst for me to vent about how I feel about some internet marketers. Blue farters, and people that promise the world to push some regurgitated PLR crap product. Everyday in this business I have to wade through all the crap to find a decent product to promote. Also, I have seen some dirty things from people that claim to be respectable marketers, and people following them around like little sheep. It doesn't really make me mad what they are doing on their own, it's the fact that people hang on their every word and wait with baited breath for their next product, that is usually out of date within a few weeks cause the powers that be get a whiff of what they are doing.

      I also would like to advocate the importance of a moral (or as moral as possible) business model. If you are sincere in what you do, you WILL go from strength to strength. If not someday people will see you for the slimeball you are. I have seen this some of the "big boys" fall, and get called out for the liars they are, and it makes me laugh EVERY time.
      I never made one reference to price gouging.

      Your tangent has drifted from the topic at hand to regurgitated PLR. I'm not sure how, but I'm going to step out of your way, while I still have my sanity
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      • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        I never made one reference to price gouging.

        Your tangent has drifted from the topic at hand to regurgitated PLR. I'm not sure how, but I'm going to step out of your way, while I still have my sanity
        Yes I am afraid it has. It's late. I'm usually not up past 11pm, and it's 3am. I just meant to say that there's much to debate about the subject, and this thread just sparked my irritation at the lengths some marketers are willing to stretch to morally to make a dollar.

        I'm not usually like this; sometimes I make a little bit of sense.

        Well said Oxbloom. That's what I was trying to say, but I let my emotions get in the way.
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        • Profile picture of the author omk
          Wow, you guys and gals are terrific!

          I enjoyed reading everybody's thoughts on this sensitive subject.

          It was great reading all your view points - from people saying how major corporations and media outlets take advantage as well -

          to another person saying how selling bizops to the unemployed or financially strapped buyers is just as bad -

          someone else said "You'll drive yourself nuts trying to figure out where the ethical lines are in this stuff"

          Thanks for caring everybody. Hopefully we can all do our part to help during these stressful events.
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          • Profile picture of the author VBelladonnaV
            I think it’s very interesting that some people think that it would be tasteless to blog or put up a site about disaster preparedness because of the recent tragedy in Japan and people have died.


            Yet people die every day due to starvation and poverty yet there are no qualms about marketing food in all forms from fast food to baking, recipe sites, books, and gourmet food that the cost for one meal could feed a family for a week or more.



            HMMM…so I guess it’s only tasteless to market something if the tragedy happens to be in our face


            Otherwise out of sight out of mind …Right???


            I don't think it's necessarily bad if you want to put up a blog regarding disaster and giving information it actually would be a good time because it's on people’s minds. Life happens and people tend to forget to prepare themselves

            When a major disaster hits people start to think about what they would do in the same situation and realize how unprepared they are. That in itself is not a bad thing

            I think about it and realize I am totally unprepared for a disaster and I live in Southern California and been through earthquakes.

            There is info that can be very helpful to people while it's on their mind If your site is well done instead of looking at it as profiting (Hey the companies that sell the kits do profit themselves)

            Look at it in a more positive light

            You can help in two ways

            Give good information that may help prompt someone to purchase a kit, flashlight or create a kit and become more prepared that info that you provide now maybe down the road will help save their lives in a disaster.

            And in addition donating a percentage to a disaster relief fund is a nice gesture and they get addition funds from your effort.


            Just an opinion.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I would not presume to tell someone else wht they should or should not market. I would have no interest in taking advantage of a catastrophe where so many lives were lost and altered - but that's my view on it. Others may see it differently.

              I built a site after Katrina but it wasn't to monetize anything - just to report from the scene and show the resilience of the people here.

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  • Profile picture of the author PabloVTB
    I do find it a very nice gesture to sell your own products and send your complete earnings to charity, as someone here on the warrior forum already is doing with what occurred in Japan. And I don't see the problem if you send a portion of your earnings to charity, and that actually helps you make more sales by including that aspect in your marketing. Hey, at least you are giving back, and people honor that.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I am originally from new orleans, and it took around 5 days to get relief set up and flowing. And that was in the most dismal conditions; they just couldn't get to the people.
    Sounds about right. I spent a couple of weeks living out of Delgado Community College while providing security, chasing looters and searching house to house for survivors. Despite the miserable situation it was a lot of fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnaHamer
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      Sounds about right. I spent a couple of weeks living out of Delgado Community College while providing security, chasing looters and searching house to house for survivors. Despite the miserable situation it was a lot of fun.
      SMALL WORLD I used to live about 5 in from Delgado. My mom still does. In Kingspoint in Slidell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    You'll drive yourself nuts trying to figure out where the ethical lines are in this stuff.

    Don't try to promote after a disaster, because it's unethical to profiteer on the backs of people's pain and suffering, some people will tell you. Sure, I'll buy it.

    What about promoting "make money" offers in a down economy, when your prospects are emotionally fragile and financially desperate? I dunno.

    What about promoting "lose weight" products? Isn't that just capitalizing on people's self esteem issues?

    There's no black and no white on these issues. It's as easy to say, "It's okay if you send the money to the Red Cross," as it is to say, "Just don't send the money to the Red Cross, because X% of that money is going straight into the pockets of the board of directors, and Y% of that money is going to their pet projects and will never see its way to the Japanese people you intended it for, etc., etc."

    Listen to your conscience. That's about all you can do. If you feel creepy about something, don't do it. It's not worth the spare bucks to saddle yourself with that feeling of guilt. If you don't feel any guilt about a particular issue, you may as well go for it. Because there's sure as heck some guy out there who isn't feeling any guilt, and no sense in letting him have all the fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      You'll drive yourself nuts trying to figure out where the ethical lines are in this stuff.

      Don't try to promote after a disaster, because it's unethical to profiteer on the backs of people's pain and suffering, some people will tell you. Sure, I'll buy it.

      What about promoting "make money" offers in a down economy, when your prospects are emotionally fragile and financially desperate? I dunno.

      What about promoting "lose weight" products? Isn't that just capitalizing on people's self esteem issues?

      There's no black and no white on these issues. It's as easy to say, "It's okay if you send the money to the Red Cross," as it is to say, "Just don't send the money to the Red Cross, because X% of that money is going straight into the pockets of the board of directors, and Y% of that money is going to their pet projects and will never see its way to the Japanese people you intended it for, etc., etc."

      Listen to your conscience. That's about all you can do. If you feel creepy about something, don't do it. It's not worth the spare bucks to saddle yourself with that feeling of guilt. If you don't feel any guilt about a particular issue, you may as well go for it. Because there's sure as heck some guy out there who isn't feeling any guilt, and no sense in letting him have all the fun.
      Nice post, Oxbloom.

      This thread reminds me of the Salvation Army bell ringers that you see all over at Christmas. Do you think they are ringing those bells for free? Nope. I'm pretty sure that they keep half of what they bring in.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      Listen to your conscience. That's about all you can do. If you feel creepy about something, don't do it. It's not worth the spare bucks to saddle yourself with that feeling of guilt. If you don't feel any guilt about a particular issue, you may as well go for it. Because there's sure as heck some guy out there who isn't feeling any guilt, and no sense in letting him have all the fun.
      I think that's the key statement. Profiting from a massive disaster or people stricken with cancer or other health conditions, or pain and suffering in general would make me feel creepy.

      Charity in those circumstances doesn't make me feel creepy. There are plenty of ways to make money without resorting to creepiness.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    I dont see how it could be wrong, online.

    Offline, it would be if you was price gouging but in the USA that's illegal anyway.

    I guess contruction companies are wrong for charging to rebuild. They make HUGE profits on the backs of disasters.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
    If you want an example of a commercial organisation focusing on a disaster here's a good example:

    Google Responds Rapidly

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  • Profile picture of the author eleary
    OMK,
    I think this is a great post! In most or all internet marketing class or material, we are taught to find a serious problem and sell a solution. This is the basics of marketing, especially for information products, which is the bulk of what we sell in IM.
    I thought your post was insightful and tasteful. My degree is in marketing, if anyone has studied marketing, they know that opportunities are creating in times of disaster. However, the advice you gave is what made your post tasteful. It's a great idea to donate some of the money. Furthermore, people want information about disasters, if you are able to provide information for people seeking disaster information, you are actually helping people. This is a business, the fact that you also profit by helping people is OK and good business.
    Thanks for the debate, I have smiled reading most of the posts - the IM industry targets people who are in their own personal crisis most of the time. They need money which can be a personal disaster...; yet no one here has a problem selling them the hope and dream of making money. On the contrary, if we provide information that can help them attain those dreams, quality products, we are actually helping people in financial crisis!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Nice thread.

    I think it is very hard to answer this as is a disaster any more tragic because it has happened recently?

    For instance anyone remember the move about the world trade center?

    How may War films have you seen?

    Remember the movie about Titanic?

    All were REAL events!

    So yes I think it is strange how the impact of these wear off!

    On a side note you can pick up Call of Duty - a computer shooting game and take part in a war game VERY close to what is going on in the world right now.

    If there is interest in it - right or wrong - marketing will always happen.

    Just my 2 pence.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      In most or all internet marketing class or material, we are taught to find a serious problem and sell a solution.
      And that's the problem I personally have with this type of marketing. I don't have a solution for an 8.9 earthquake or for people without power or food.

      No one needs me, as a marketer, to parrot the news coming from the media - and those are the only "facts" I have access to. If I were personally involved as I was in Katrina - then I might have a unique viewpoint or facts to share.

      I'm not set up with paypal to accept donations and I'm not interested in competing with leading charities. The only reason I would have to start a site about a disaster is to make money for myself. I'm not comfortable doing that.

      It's a reasoning process you must do for YOU - it's not up to me to judge what others do...only to decide how I see it for ME.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    You're lucky Chris! My birthday is Dec. 22nd....why does the world have to end one day before my birthday???? Would you all send presents a little early in 2012???
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