WEb Hosting IP

13 years ago

Originally Posted by roddyfonline

I'm very new to this so please bear with me....

Some Web hosting sites are offering with their package an IP, can someone tell me whats the advantage in having a dedicated IP?

If you have your domain with one company (ie, Namecheap) and host with another (ie, Hostgator), the advantage to having a dedicated/static IP is that if your dynamic IP changes, you'll have to go back to Namecheap and change the DNS stuff, and wait for it all to propogate.

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3520478].message }}

seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Drake Kerrigan

If you have your domain with one company (ie, Namecheap) and host with another (ie, Hostgator), the advantage to having a dedicated/static IP is that if your dynamic IP changes, you'll have to go back to Namecheap and change the DNS stuff, and wait for it all to propogate.

NOPE!

HERE is the difference:

There are TWO types of HTTP server name resolution.

1. What ICANN wants EVERYONE that can to use is called NAME resolution! You STILL have your own name, you STILL have a dedicated/static IP, EVERYTHING is EXACTLY THE SAME! It looks EXACTLY the same in EVERYWAY to IP resolution EXCEPT that it works in the following way:

a. Gets SERVER IP from the DNS server pointed to by dns registrar.
b. goes to SERVER which goes to the SITE based on the NAME!

2. IP resolution is EXACTLY like the above, and looks IDENTICAL except it works as follows:

a. Gets SITE IP on the server from the DNS server pointed to by dns registrar.
b. goes to SERVER which goes to the SITE based on the IP!

WHY does ICANN want you to pick #1? If EVERYONE up to now had picked #2, IP addresses would have run out YEARS ago!

WHY might you want #2? WHAT does it give you? Well, on a shared site I can think of just ONE thing. Lets look at how HTTPS servers work. This is as close as I recall:

a. Gets SITE IP from the DNS server pointed to by domain.
b. Goes to SITE to get certificate.
c. Goes to SITE using certificate to encrypt access.
d. BROWSER checks new site name, and signer, as well as date, against the certificate, and gives a warning if there is a problem.

So each IP can only have ONE certificate. The certificate should match the SITE so only one SITE can have a certificate. So this means a communal certificate, or NO HTTPS!

So if you need to collect very personal info on your system, you need an IP address dedicated to it.

Almost NOBODY uses dynamic IPs for a server, and no reputable host would ever offer them. I have NEVER seen them offered, and only about 3 sites use them. They usually have their server communicate with another server to update the IP address in its DNS. Clunky, but good if you don't care about speed, want a dedicated server at your home and want to save money. BTW I last saw them openly used maybe 13 years ago. Dynamic IPs are for browser side access and used to simplify administration and share IP addresses THERE!

Steve

Thanks
2 replies

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3520611].message }}

Drake Kerrigan 13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

NOPE!

HERE is the difference:

Steve

I stand corrected. My information was based on having run my own webservers for many years. I actually had no idea there was such a detailed difference. Learn something new every day. Thanks for enriching my mind
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524710].message }}

Christian Little

13 years ago

Originally Posted by roddyfonline

I'm very new to this so please bear with me....

Some Web hosting sites are offering with their package an IP, can someone tell me whats the advantage in having a dedicated IP?

In all honesty, if you don't know what a dedicated IP address is for, then you don't need one. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Drake Kerrigan

If you have your domain with one company (ie, Namecheap) and host with another (ie, Hostgator), the advantage to having a dedicated/static IP is that if your dynamic IP changes, you'll have to go back to Namecheap and change the DNS stuff, and wait for it all to propogate.

The ONLY reason you would have a dynamic IP on the web is as a browser/web surfer. It's common for ISP's to give them to their customers for internet access, not hosting. I think you either don't really understand the concept or you didn't really read the OP.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Almost NOBODY uses dynamic IPs for a server, and no reputable host would ever offer them. I have NEVER seen them offered, and only about 3 sites use them. They usually have their server communicate with another server to update the IP address in its DNS. Clunky, but good if you don't care about speed, want a dedicated server at your home and want to save money. BTW I last saw them openly used maybe 13 years ago. Dynamic IPs are for browser side access and used to simplify administration and share IP addresses THERE!

I don't think any hosting company uses dynamic IP's, it kinda defeats the purpose of running a web server lol. Managing a web server that's using a dynamic IP would be an administration nightmare lol.

It's possible the poster above confused dynamic IP with shared IP. Either way, seasoned is correct.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

cPanel Shared and Reseller Web Hosting - 30 Day Free Trial Exclusive for Warriors!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3525031].message }}

roddyfonline 13 years ago

[QUOTE=Christian Little;3525031]In all honesty, if you don't know what a dedicated IP address is for, then you don't need one. Plain and simple.

when i say im new im talking about 4 weeks....very new indeed but im a very fast learner
- Thanks
- 1 reply
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3525093].message }}
- Christian Little 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by roddyfonline
  
  when i say im new im talking about 4 weeks....very new indeed but im a very fast learner
  
  Good luck on learning. But here's all you need to know at this point - you do not need a dedicated IP unless:
  
  a) you need a SSL certificate (seeing as you are a newbie, this point doesn't apply to you), or
  b) you really know SEO and how to use IP's to your advantage (again, as you are a newbie this doesn't apply).
  
  As such, we can conclude that you don't need a dedicated IP, so don't base your hosting choice around a company that is offering it. Look at their other features to determine if you want to use them.
  
  Thanks
  
  Signature
  cPanel Shared and Reseller Web Hosting - 30 Day Free Trial Exclusive for Warriors!
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3525232].message }}

Steve Powers

13 years ago

Comparing with shared IP, the security of dedicated IP is higher. In addition, some functions can not be used without dedicated IP.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

HostEase Web Hosting
20% for shared web hosting with coupon code "hostease"! $7.95 per domain with coupon code "695TLD"!
99.9% Uptime Guarantee! 30 Day Money Back Guarantee! 24/7/365 Customer Support!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3521745].message }}

seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Powers

Comparing with shared IP, the security of dedicated IP is higher. In addition, some functions can not be used without dedicated IP.

The ONLY way security is higher is if you use HTTPS, and that is ONLY when you use HTTPS and between the visiter and your site. The security within the server is IDENTICAL!

The ONLY function that people here are likely to ever use that requires a dedicated IP is HTTPS! EVEN FTPS is almost ALWAYS going to give you an error the first time EITHER WAY, and you can disable the error for THAT SITE.

Steve
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522371].message }}

Marketing Cheetah

13 years ago

Don't worry about it at the moment. Just go with Hostgator Baby or Hatchling plan. You will automatically start understanding these terms along with your journey.

Thanks
2 replies

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3521759].message }}

roddyfonline 13 years ago

thanks for the info guys, trying go get into SEO etc is a nightmare for beginners but very interesting
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3521928].message }}

roddyfonline

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jugroo

Don't worry about it at the moment. Just go with Hostgator Baby or Hatchling plan. You will automatically start understanding these terms along with your journey.

Ive been looking at Hostgator alot and it seems one the main host sites to use according to what im reading and advise...

thanks once again

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3521932].message }}

seasoned

13 years ago

BTW Name or IP resolution doesn't affect SEO AT ALL! Everything at this point indicates they use ONLY the name. Besides, checking IP would slow it down and it can change at any time. There were at least three times companies moved my server, and changed its IP. And I changed hosting companies a couple times, which changed the IP address.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522386].message }}

roddyfonline 13 years ago

@seasoned

thanks for the info
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524673].message }}

fmn9999

13 years ago

Here are some advantages:

Less downtime - Each time your IP address refreshes you run the risk of downtime from the server. While this is usually only for a very short time, it can wreak havoc on your gaming. Having a static address eliminates this risk.

Having your own Private SSL Certificate - Secure e-commerce websites need SSL certificates for accepting credit cards online. Web hosts usually offer a shared SSL certificate where clients can share the Web host's SSL.

Anonymous FTP - It means that anyone using the FTP software can access files in a special directory of your site. It's called Anonymous FTP because the user name used to access is "anonymous." Many Web hosting providers require a static IP for the anonymous FTP function to work properly.
You want to access your website by FTP or Web browser even when the domain name is inaccessible, such as domain name propagation periods.

Running an FTP server - File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is an efficient and reliable way to transfer data from one computer to another. Again, specific software must be installed in order for you to set up an FTP site, but this is easy to do and free software is available. You might want to use an FTP site to share files, such as pictures, with your friends, or you might use it to enhance your organisation. Either way, once you've set up the site, clients, partners or friends just need to log in to access, edit or upload files.