Does Your Marketing Advice Smell of Desperation?

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Every time someone posts a desperation type thread (I need $x in y days), it seems the answers are very similar from time to time.

With that in mind, I want to do a little marketing test. For each of the following scenarios, please answer how you would accomplish the stated goal. In each of these scenarios, let's imagine the person is starting from scratch. So, any domain names or website hosting purchases or any other purchased services or products or fees would need to come out of the cash on hand.

For experience, let's say that each person is a competent writer, is technically able to set up a basic website, knows his way around a computer, could figure out how to use an outsourcing service, etc. In short, he has all the basic skills an Internet marketer would need. For Internet marketing experience, let's say he's been learning and doing for three months already, earned $10 his first month, $50 his second and $100 his third month.

Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?

Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?

Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Tom to do to accomplish this goal?

Scenario D: At the end of three months, Mike needs to have $400,000 cash in hand. Right now, Mike has $50,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Mike to do to accomplish this goal?

Are these trick questions?, you may be wondering. Well, each scenario is exactly as it says. No tricks there. However, the test isn't so much what your answer is as it is how you answer the questions.

Also, the test isn't actually about desperation. It's about a different marketing concept altogether, but the desperation context should (hopefully!) reveal whether people grasp that concept or not, or whether they have any empirical knowledge on the topic.

So, please go ahead, be brave and jump right in with your answers. I'll wait for several responses before I reveal what the concept being tested is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    I wouldn't advise Joe on any of these except to give him options ... he is the one that makes the final decision as he is the one with the most skin in the game.

    A and B are probably people that have no business experience so the options would be along the lines of get a job and follow Jim Rohns advise ... work full time on your living while working part time on your fortune.

    C and D have shown the ability to save up or have access to a bit more money. In both cases, I'd ask a lot of questions about their abilities.

    D - I would be hesitant to offer advice since I have only been in that situation once ... and my management skills and judgement at that time sucked big time. But I could probably ask the right questions now .

    Interesting scenarios ... need 8x starting capital in each situation with each one implying an increasing skill set judging by their starting capital.

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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

    Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?

    Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?

    Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Tom to do to accomplish this goal?

    Scenario D: At the end of three months, Mike needs to have $400,000 cash in hand. Right now, Mike has $50,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Mike to do to accomplish this goal?
    Before anything, keep in mind that my way of generating the wanted cash is only 1 way and there are thousands of others to make money online. The methods I choose have worked for me in the past and I would bet they will work for me in the future.

    Scenario A:
    For those in the IM niche, the $50 would be invested on a WSO placement. It's easy to generate $400 profit in three months by just posting a service at a generous price and then interacting with related posts throughout this forum with a link to the WSO in my sig. You could see this profit in a week if you post a lot.

    For a market outside of the IM niche, I would use the $50 for a domain and hosting. This would take up all the investment so let's work with that. Next step, would be to search for a good CPA offer I would like to promote. Do some keyword research revolving around the CPA offer at hand, set up a WordPress site and lightly promote the next 3 months. Article marketing, video marketing, blog commenting, guest posting, and forum marketing would be my ideal methods. $400 shouldn't be too difficult to accomplish.

    Scenario B
    Three months to $4,000 with $500 investment is more in the range of creating an authority website with list building. $500 will easily get you the domain, hosting, autoresponder service, and you would have an $300-$400 left over.

    First step, find the right niche/product to promote. Do the keyword research around this market. Create website, set up squeeze page/autoresponder with at minimum 12 automatic emails and a freebie(1-2 promos to the product), start promoting website.

    For me to estimate a $4,000 profit after three months, I would require myself to publish no less than 120 articles, 35 videos, 450 forum posts, 400 blog comments, and quite a bit of interaction with other bloggers/marketers in the niche for joint venture/guest post opportunities.

    Scenario C
    I would try product launch/high ticket item launch for this amount of cash in only 3 months. With $5,000 investment, you have plenty to play around with. 1-2k for product creation, .5-1k for sales copy, and the rest for content creation/traffic generation help. Throughout the 3 month period, I would focus all my efforts on building a list and more importantly building an affiliate backing for the launch.

    Scenario D
    I haven't had this large of a profit day so I am only assuming what I would do...it is definitely a future goal to do this in a product launch, but this would be my method if I had nothing to start with.

    The easiest way I've found to make large amounts of money is to sell large ticket items though. So, that would be a definite...product price would be $500-$2000 with upsells/downsells/back end galore.

    I would attempt holding a high end conference for this type of deal. You could find 3 experts in your niche with large followings that you could pay $5,000-$10,000 each for an hour of speaking. With $20,000 left over, you can have an ample direct mail, internet marketing, and joint venture attack plan. More than likely, I would use the left over $5-$10k to create a large ticket upsell product from the conference itself.

    Charge $500-$1000 for conference ticket and upsell the $2k product/digital products/video series of conference/etc. If the conference room holds 500 people, you could see $250,000 from ticket sales alone (that's at $500 a ticket). A normal upsell conversion of a product for those that pay that much for a conference is going to be high too. If you could get 75 people to buy your upsell, you made the 400k mark.

    Of course, there would be a lot more going into this, but that would be my plan for accomplishing the goals.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?
    Well, I need to also know how much time Bob has to give the project at hand. But I would say an easy solution that was no investment required would be to provide service on fiverr - with one of the skills you said he has be it article writing, etc.

    He can save the 50 bucks and then he only needs to make 350.

    At 4.00 profit we are looking at roughly 100 articles - in what is that, lol, 2 months on the safe side to get paid in time?

    So, we are looking at 2 articles a day for 2 months? Oh, maybe it's time to put down the vodka - but you can see where this is going...

    lol
    Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?
    Joe needs to step up the game - hmm.

    Ok, well several attack plans here.

    And I just had a brain fart, lol - and see where all this is going, but there needs to be answers to many more variables as well.

    Like, that time factor on how much time someone has to lend in each scenario.

    How desperate are each sincerely? Will legs get cut off? Or are they going to need to move into a cardboard box? The sincere desperation I sense from their answer might have me give different answers - which really makes me think - DAMN YOU DAN! lol

    I think I will find myself not answering questions until I ask some more specific questions first.

    The small potatoes money is likely the easiest to answer.

    For me, when you start hitting the bigger numbers it still is not a matter of how much there is to invest as much as what other factors there are such as longer term goals.

    Why does this not affect the guy who just wanted the smaller amount of money?

    Not sure - his goal just seemed the easiest.

    I may need to answer all this tomorrow. Been a rough week.

    (scenario D is rough as the highest I have seen is 1k days personally so not sure I could answer this effectively - but I would give it the old college try best I could)
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Fascinating questions/situations, Dan. Intrigued me enough to try and make
      my suggestions

      This is just ONE solution I might offer.

      For experience, let's say that each person is a competent writer...
      Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?

      - - - -

      Write articles for $10 to $15 a pop. Find clients who'll hire him to write 50 of them over 3 months.

      50 x $10 = $500 (after $100 'marketing' cost, leaves $400 in hand)

      - - - -

      Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?

      - - - -

      Leverage his article writing skills and the client base he has built up to:

      * get repeat orders from happy clients
      * get referrals for new business through word of mouth
      * get testimonials from clients to beef up his profile as writer

      * create a premium level of his writing services
      * create new 'product lines' - article packs, PLR content, short reports etc.
      * create an article writing membership program?!

      With 10 clients regularly ordering an average of 5 articles a month each, that's 50 articles/month at $15 or higher each = $2,250

      With sales of his article packs and PLR content of 25 packs per month, @ $25 each = $1,875

      Leaves Joe with $4,000 cash in hand. Marketing costs can be negligible if word of mouth kicks in big time.

      - - - -

      Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Tom to do to accomplish this goal?

      - - - -

      Two options.

      1. Scale up his current business and hire help, while soliciting new clients aggressively. Find writers who want to work with him. Get more writing clients by competing on many levels. Consolidate existing groups of writers into co-ops. Go 'super premium' and enter the $100 per article and above market. Write for offline publications and self-publish ebooks and books. Get ghostwriting and bigger content creating gigs.

      2. Enter other businesses where an investment capital lets him buy a running business which throws off reasonable cash - and which has opportunities for growth based on his available skills and talents. With an army of content creators, provided he selects the business wisely, he can add enough value to it and generate profit to justify selling it off at the end of 3 months for a good premium. (A variation could be to do this 'fast-and-dirty' with a series of smaller sites, buy-improve-flip.)

      - - - -

      Scenario D: At the end of three months, Mike needs to have $400,000 cash in hand. Right now, Mike has $50,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Mike to do to accomplish this goal?

      - - - -

      I would direct him to someone I know is very good at teaching this kind of stuff, as my own personal experience will not help him reach this point.

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  • Profile picture of the author mindmarketing
    I'm on my cell, so sorry for being brief. I just couldn't pass up this thread.

    A) I would suggest a service based business model and put their skills to work using a site like Elance. I think its $10 a month for a standard membership so they could spend the rest on coffee.

    B) Still think the service model would work well here. More money to invest in marketing means more clients or higher paying ones.

    C) I'm thinking wholesale business. Take a sizable chunk of the 5G and find a decent lot on eBay. Use the rest to market the products.

    D) You know what, have been lucky enough to be in this position yet. Don't even know where to start.

    Looking forward to your conclusion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by mindmarketing View Post

      I'm on my cell, so sorry for being brief. I just couldn't pass up this thread.

      A) I would suggest a service based business model and put their skills to work using a site like Elance. I think its $10 a month for a standard membership so they could spend the rest on coffee.

      B) Still think the service model would work well here. More money to invest in marketing means more clients or higher paying ones.

      C) I'm thinking wholesale business. Take a sizable chunk of the 5G and find a decent lot on eBay. Use the rest to market the products.

      D) You know what, have been lucky enough to be in this position yet. Don't even know where to start.

      Looking forward to your conclusion.
      Well, you have to remember:

      could figure out how to use an outsourcing service
      The percentage is the same as far as how much money is there to invest, so theoretically there could be one answer that for all four that is scalable.

      (funny what losing an hour and waking up way too early will do to a girls thought process)
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      • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
        I would give the same advice to them all.

        Each one needs 8 times the amount they already have. They should scale up what has been proven to work by at least 8 times.

        If they haven't got the time or it is too much for one person they can use the money they have to outsource the work.
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        • Profile picture of the author garben2011
          Originally Posted by wtatlas View Post

          I would give the same advice to them all.

          Each one needs 8 times the amount they already have. They should scale up what has been proven to work by at least 8 times.

          If they haven't got the time or it is too much for one person they can use the money they have to outsource the work.

          Hmm... what if nothing has worked for them except to get a job?

          Many of the desperate people are people who have lost their jobs in the past year. Let's say the first person has been out of work a long time and is down to $50, the next has more cash left over but soon will be out, and so on. Perhaps the last two are digging into their stocks, bonds, savings accounts, IRAs, etc.

          So, scaling up is what everyone says to do... but what if they have done nothing on the Internet and don't know how to make a penny on the Internet. Scaling nothing up by 8 times = ........ nothing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Dan, get your a$$ in here. lol
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            • Profile picture of the author James Basher
              Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?


              Plan 1) Get a Yellow Pages, sit down and cold call Small Businesses that
              already advertise on his local yellow pages selling them a direct response
              website/autoresponder/google places/Facebook Fanpage etc etc..$50 can be used to buy them coffee when they meet up (reciprocity).

              Plan 2) If he has got writing ability, sign up for elance,odesk,getafreelancer
              as well as post in warriorforum,dp forum,wkf forum advertising his writing
              services,setting himself apart as a premium level writer as opposed to other cheaper but lower quality writers.


              Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?

              Plan 1) Still the same as Plan 1 for scenario A, i will get a good paid script written($100-$250) for setting appointments(increases your number of appointments closed) and buy a Power Dialer like Mojosells ($150) that will boost my calling abilities by up to 400%.The balance for buying them coffee.

              Plan 2) Find the cheapest interior painter you can find in your area,mark up
              their painting services by $200-$300.Write a good salescopy and professionally designed website up for local painting services.Get your google places listings done up for the website with appropriate citations,reviews,simple videos and pictures.All these is totally free.


              Make sure you build links to inner pages which are a minimum of 3 keywords and contain the name of your area(e.g orlando painting services)
              Focus on three main keywords that will bring in leads(use google keyword tool and/or Market samurai to find them), and write 3-5 articles each linking back to these inner pages and post them in Authority Painting Directories that accept articles.Mix them up with Squidoo lenses and Hubpages.

              All of the above is still free and can be done in a week.$500 will go to
              PPC or Pay Per Call ads using Admob where costs per click are currently
              dirt cheap.Sit down relax and rake in the cash.(im making 3k-3.5k net with this monthly and i started it very recently).

              Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Tom to do to accomplish this goal?

              Plan 1) Hit a Niche with an Internet Marketing for (specific niche) 3 day bootcamp.I did this exact thing personally with a $997 per seat bootcamp
              for real estate agents with just a 5k ad budget.My total net profits from that one bootcamp was around $30k.

              I bought a local edm blast from a site where many realtors post their properties.Cost me $2500.I also paid a guy on dp forum $50 to scrape about 5000 phone numbers of realtors of the site as well.My site had a free CD front end,selling the seminar seats on the backend.Got my telemarketer($500) to call the numbers and promote the seminar seats.The seminar room cost me about $1800. (total about $4800-)

              Take into account that i had no previous experience with Real Estate industry and i didnt even do enough research,i was just banking on my IM knowledge which most realtors didnt have.Also many real estate companies hold their own in house seminars etc etc.I didnt even know how the industry worked(mistakes on my part),still managed to hit 30k in profits.

              You can do the same for many other industries,like restaurants as well as spas(which are being ripped off by sites like groupon).

              Plan 2) JV with Real Estate agents,you get them hot leads of home sellers and all they have to do is go meet them , do the listing presentation and sell the house.You make 40%-50% of the commission which in my area is about $4000-$5000.You need 10 sales in three months to get $40k,which is very achievable.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                  You know, maybe I should have started this as something more akin to an actual desperation thread, because then I might have gotten the answers I expected instead of good answers.

                  I'm thinking perhaps I weeded out the clueless by mentioning that this was a test, thus, only people that had a clue actually answered.

                  So, pat yourselves on the back because, unless I've overlooked it, I don't think anyone had a wrong answer.

                  The actual test here was one of scalability.

                  Too many people, I think, especially those with limited experience, believe in unlimited scalability. They too often become victims of math.

                  That is, if Bob has $50, he can buy ten domain names, set up ten websites, sell each for $45 and he earns his $400.

                  Likewise, Joe could buy 100 domain names with his $500, set up 100 websites, sell each for $45 and earn $4,000.

                  And so on up.

                  But, not everything is scalable like that. True, as the starting money increases, it's easier and perhaps more affordable to outsource a lot of the work, but the tough part becomes sales. It may be easier to sell ten websites in 3 months than it would be to sell 1,000 or even 10,000 websites, especially since, the more websites you build, the harder it is going to be to come up with unique ideas and not flood the market being your own competition.

                  So, what works to generate $400 may not be reasonably scalable to generate $40,000 or even $400,000.

                  And, as you start with more money, the more opportunities you have for putting that money to use. Someone with $50,000, for example, could spend $10,000 on a highly rated copywriter to craft a high-converting sales letter whereas someone with $500 or even $5,000 doesn't have that option.

                  A one-size-fits-all approach isn't a practical plan in a lot of cases. It's like, all I need to do to make a $100 is to sell one something for $100. So, to make $1,000, I just need to sell ten of those. How hard is that? If I could sell 100, that's $10,000. Easy, right? For $100,000, I just need to sell 1,000. That's about a dozen sales a day for three months. Can't be that hard. I'm almost a millionaire... All I need to do is sell 10,000 and I'm there! That's just 112 sales a day.

                  You could outsource and use affiliates and such, but typically, people who come up with those ideas, who are thinking in scalability in terms like that, aren't really thinking that far ahead. That is, let's say you've sold 100 widgets for $100. With $10,000 in your pocket, would you continue selling widgets for $100? Why not move up to $250 or $500 gadgets now that you have something to invest? Sell 100 gadgets for $250. Now, you have $25,000 in your pocket. Are you going to keep selling $250 gadgets?

                  Also, the more money you have, the more you can diversify. If you have $500 to invest, that can only go so far. If you have $50,000, you could try five different things at $10k each, or two at $25k each. You could even spend $1,000 here and there and $20k somewhere. You have more possibilities.

                  Of course, a lot of people that have never had more than $500 to spare aren't as likely to think of all the possibilities that $50,000 can offer them because they've never thought in such a scale except in their imaginations. So, they are likely to think along the lines of, well, if I can buy 50 things for $10 with $500, and sell them for $20 to double my money, I can buy 5,000 things for $10 with $50,000 and double my money!

                  And maybe they could. Or maybe it would be easier to buy 50 things for $1,000 and sell them for $2,000. Or develop an information product for $5,000, hire a copywriter for $10,000, build a website for $1,000, drop $10,000 into an advertising campaign, put the balance in the stock market and sell 500 copies (or more) at $200 a pop.

                  So, the thing is that each scenario shouldn't have the same answer. What works to generate $400 starting with $50 may not be practically scalable to generate $400,000 starting with $50,000.

                  Which, again, I think that everyone who responded, unless I missed a post, grasped that concept.

                  Unfortunately, I think that people that don't grasp that concept are too often advising people that need help from those that do grasp it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post


                    The actual test here was one of scalability.
                    Well, I feel relieved then as I think I covered some thoughts on that particular element somewhere in my delusional ramblings. :p

                    Analyzing my own response/thought patterns it is funny how scaling was not in the initial thought, but I might have been under the influence of certain substances. lol

                    I think scaling could work to the top level - but finding the right business model to go that route is what the real challenge would be. And upon finding it, one size fits all again would not apply so while you might enjoy eating lima beans it really isn't my forte.

                    But any day you want to toss some rubber chickens back and forth I'm game.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

    Every time someone posts a desperation type thread (I need in y days), it seems the answers are very similar from time to time.

    With that in mind, I want to do a little marketing test. For each of the following scenarios, please answer how you would accomplish the stated goal. In each of these scenarios, let's imagine the person is starting from scratch. So, any domain names or website hosting purchases or any other purchased services or products or fees would need to come out of the cash on hand.

    For experience, let's say that each person is a competent writer, is technically able to set up a basic website, knows his way around a computer, could figure out how to use an outsourcing service, etc. In short, he has all the basic skills an Internet marketer would need. For Internet marketing experience, let's say he's been learning and doing for three months already, earned $10 his first month, $50 his second and $100 his third month.

    Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him. (Cash, checking account, PayPal, whatever.) What would you advise Bob to do to accomplish this?

    Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available. What would you advise Joe to do to accomplish this goal?

    Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Tom to do to accomplish this goal?

    Scenario D: At the end of three months, Mike needs to have $400,000 cash in hand. Right now, Mike has $50,000 readily available to him. What would you advise Mike to do to accomplish this goal?

    Are these trick questions?, you may be wondering. Well, each scenario is exactly as it says. No tricks there. However, the test isn't so much what your answer is as it is how you answer the questions.

    Also, the test isn't actually about desperation. It's about a different marketing concept altogether, but the desperation context should (hopefully!) reveal whether people grasp that concept or not, or whether they have any empirical knowledge on the topic.

    So, please go ahead, be brave and jump right in with your answers. I'll wait for several responses before I reveal what the concept being tested is.
    Scenario D is very interesting as I would have no ideas how to do this, but if I did, I'd be doing it now.

    It depends how bad he needs the $400k though. If he has to pay his loan shark otherwise have his legs cut off, then he'd do different stuff to if the $400k is just to clear the mortgage off a little quicker.

    The more desperate, the more willing to "risk" the 50k he would be, but the less desperate the more conseravite he would be.

    As for a method? Well $50k can do a lot for you - think of the list you could build via PPC or Solo Ads traffic, or by directly contacting sites and getting advertising banners. With the list you can then promote products. A clever advertiser might get a 250k reponsive list of buyers with $50k to spend, and then just needs to make $1.50 ish per subsriber over a month to make $400k.

    But thats my guess if I was ****-hot sure I'd do it
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Scenario D is very interesting as I would have no ideas how to do this, but if I did, I'd be doing it now.

      It depends how bad he needs the $400k though. If he has to pay his loan shark otherwise have his legs cut off, then he'd do different stuff to if the $400k is just to clear the mortgage off a little quicker.

      The more desperate, the more willing to "risk" the 50k he would be, but the less desperate the more conseravite he would be.

      As for a method? Well $50k can do a lot for you - think of the list you could build via PPC or Solo Ads traffic, or by directly contacting sites and getting advertising banners. With the list you can then promote products. A clever advertiser might get a 250k reponsive list of buyers with $50k to spend, and then just needs to make $1.50 ish per subsriber over a month to make $400k.

      But thats my guess if I was ****-hot sure I'd do it
      I agree, there's a lot that can be done with $50k in terms of leverage. If he is a competent content creator and he'd be willing to spend the bulk of that $50k on targeted advertising and a great copywriter for the sales page, it'd be possible (though not guaranteed) to rake in $400k on a massive product launch (of course, the product would have to be top-notch and a high-end one in order to achieve this feat).
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Simple... I'd tell the the guy in all four
    scenarios to ask Dan.. he's the one with
    all the answers! ;-)

    Now, I'm off to give this some thought.

    My first impression is that it's predominantly
    about scale. The desired outcome is the same
    multiple of the initial investment in all four
    scenarios.

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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Thank goodness I skimmed Dan's message and then read it backwards....because it should change your answers dramatically.

    When read backwards, it will cause you to start thinking about the first scenario in terms of how you can step it into each proceeding step to leverage your time, money, and resources.

    The only note I wish to make for now, before I go back to scribbling down more thoughts which are now racing in my head. My scenario D requires spending almost half of the money on brainstorming sessions with the right people. Be it Jeff Walker, Ed Dale, or whichever guru, by stepping up to their level of thinking instead of my current level of thinking will make a bigger difference than anything else I could possibly do.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    A: $400 in 90 days, $50 seed money.

    Depending on what other skills and resources Bob has available, the surest route does appear to be selling personal services.

    Another viable option is using some form of arbitrage, like buying items at garage sales, overstock markets, flea markets, even acting as an agent for local craftspeople and selling those items on eBay or through Craigslist.

    Depending on the finds, Bob could meet his goal in a couple of transactions over a few weeks.

    b: $4,000 in 90 days, $500 seed money.

    Joe could still make this using personal services, but it's going to be much tougher.

    Arbitrage is also still a possibility, but again, it's going to be tougher because Joe would need to focus on higher ticket items, more volume or both.

    Since the conditions of the experiment say Joe has the ability to use outsource sites, I'm going to let him use those sites on both ends. Joe is going to become a broker and take a piece of the action from both parties for putting them together and perhaps another bite for managing the project.

    A similar route would have Joe hiring salespeople on commission to find work for his outsourcers to do. The seed money covers finding the salespeople and outsourcers. Joe is going to aim for $9,000 in sales and keeping a net of $4,000.

    C: $40,000 in 90 days, $5,000 seed money.

    We're reaching the point where we need to start giving Tom some help. And given the starting conditions, we pretty much have to sell a product. We're going to go after a mass market, and try to fence in a big herd.

    The seed money goes into market research, finding a suitable partner, getting the product created, and some preliminary market testing. We're going to shoot for a $100,000 payday, with an additional $20k going for expenses, and Tom and his partner taking $40k each.

    D: $400,000 in 90 days, $50,000 seed money.

    This one is really swinging for the fences.

    I'd be looking to develop a real mass market winner, and if it happened to be digital (membership site, online game, etc.) so much the better. Much of the seed money is going to go into product development and market testing. At this level, Mike is going to need to hire some serious help.

    We're going to shoot for a $1 million dollar payday, using a blitz to launch online, on TV, in print, anywhere we can swing a Cost per Sale deal. We'll need to partner with people on the level of an Anthony Sullivan, Dan Kennedy, etc.

    Out of our million, a full $600,000 goes to advertising, fulfillment and paying our partners.

    There are probably holes in all of these, and the actual numbers are pure WAGs, but the idea is the thing.

    You don't aim to MAKE the goal amount. You aim to KEEP the goal amount after paying the bills.

    Each level requires increasing levels of leverage in terms of money and expertise.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        For Internet marketing experience, let's say he's been learning and doing for three months already, earned $10 his first month, $50 his second and $100 his third month.
        Given the above, I'm not sure why everyone seems to be advising him to change course to achieve, at least, the first two scenarios.

        Scenario A: At the end of three months, Bob needs to have $400 cash in hand. Right now, Bob has $50 readily available to him.

        Just carrying on with what he's doing will get him to $400 and more after 3 months.

        Scenario B: At the end of three months, Joe needs to have $4,000 cash in hand. Right now, he has $500 readily available.

        $4,000 is probably within scaleable reach of whatever he's currently doing.

        Scenario C: At the end of three months, Tom needs to have $40,000 cash in hand. Right now, Tom has $5,000 readily available to him.

        Okay, now he may have to think of a different method (I say this without knowing what his current method is). One suggestion I'd offer is for Tom to approach the top three experts (with the largest buyer lists) in his niche and pay them $1,000 each for an hour's 1 to 1 interview. This would be on the understanding that they would promote the resulting audio product to their lists (for a 50% share).
        A three-hour audio set, with full transcript, could be sold for at least $97. Tom's share would be $48 and he'd need to sell around 850 units to reach his target.

        Scenario D: At the end of three months, Mike needs to have $400,000 cash in hand. Right now, Mike has $50,000 readily available to him.

        Same principle as scenario C, but the experts do a talk/presentation/demo at an exclusive seminar in front of only 250 guests. Pay the experts $10,000 each and use the remaining seed money for venue hire, promotional expenses and hiring a top film crew to capture the event.

        The guests would probably pay $997 for an exclusive, one-day event. The resulting DVD set (complete with worksheets and pdfs etc) would sell for $497. Again, half to the experts would net him around $250 per sale.
        Including the revenue from the audience sales, he'd need to sell around 600 DVD sets to make his target.

        The only constraint on the model in scenario D would be time. 3 months is slightly pushing it to organize a seminar and get the finished product to market. Although, if the figures stack up, he might be able to buy some extra time by getting the project financed up front by a venture capital company.


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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Given the above, I'm not sure why everyone seems to be advising him to change course to achieve, at least, the first two scenarios.

          Yes, you have a great point there.

          But with the investment available at all levels it boils down to the method used initially as to if they can all be exactly the same.

          I mean, even article writing for example.

          Someone could go on a massive outsourcing spree and have a bazillion articles written which could then be turned around and sold.

          It boils down to finding something in super high demand with the right price point so that inventory can be used.

          Would there be enough demand for all these articles in the market place within such a short span of time? And could you find enough writers with the skills needed to pull it off?

          Even then - with something like an article business you might have different ranges of money for different articles and it is just a matter of crunching out the right proportions of what is needed to accomplish the goals.

          If you are dealing with a product that could conceivably have different price points it could really change the game.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            But with the investment available at all levels it boils down to the method used initially as to if they can all be exactly the same.
            True, Jill. Dan, sneakily, hasn't revealed exactly what method is currently being used. But if it's got our subject from $10 to $100 in 90 days, I have to figure it could at least be scaled up (with the appropriate outsourcing and resources) to cover the targets from the first two scenarios.


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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I must be a bit backward. I don't see the point in doing one thing to meet one goal and then re-adjusting.

              If you start with a good plan and $50 to invest, the $400 is no biggie at all. If you can do that why wouldn't you re-invest in the same plan and scale it up higher and higher?

              If my end goal was a huge amount of money, I wouldn't start by writing articles unless I needed to earn the $50 initially. I'd start by creating products - small ones I could sell at low prices. Then I'd ramp it up to larger products and more advertising coverage.

              The problem with relating this question to those commonly asked here is so many who ask have nothing to invest and don't want to bother with the lower income of getting started but have a goal of jumping straight to C or D.

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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                I guess the "starting from scratch" part had me ignoring the initial efforts. As far as scaling up what the subject was already doing, it's hard to project when you don't know what that is.

                In a 90 day time frame, some methods will require a whole bunch of luck to scale that quickly, especially for someone who hasn't done it before...
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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                I must be a bit backward. I don't see the point in doing one thing to meet one goal and then re-adjusting.

                If you start with a good plan and $50 to invest, the $400 is no biggie at all. If you can do that why wouldn't you re-invest in the same plan and scale it up higher and higher?

                If my end goal was a huge amount of money, I wouldn't start by writing articles unless I needed to earn the $50 initially. I'd start by creating products - small ones I could sell at low prices. Then I'd ramp it up to larger products and more advertising coverage.

                The problem with relating this question to those commonly asked here is so many who ask have nothing to invest and don't want to bother with the lower income of getting started but have a goal of jumping straight to C or D.

                kay
                Article writing does not lend itself to being scaled up in a massive manner very quickly, and would probably not be the right business model/method to use if you have one of the bigger goals listed above. Product creation is a model that can be scaled up pretty big, and so are providing services to offline business owners and CPA marketing. It'd be crucial to pick the right methods, especially if your financial goals are in the vicinity of C or D.

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        • Profile picture of the author theemperor
          Yes please reply Dan

          I want a push-button, fool-proof, zero-risk guaranteed method for multiplying any dollar amount by 8 in 3 months that scales from a $50 investment to a $50,000 investment. Anything less I'm going to be disappointed :p
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

            Yes please reply Dan

            I want a push-button, fool-proof, zero-risk guaranteed method for multiplying any dollar amount by 8 in 3 months that scales from a $50 investment to a $50,000 investment. Anything less I'm going to be disappointed :p
            We want one size fits all.

            Does it truly exist? Or are there some techniques/markets that need the smaller investment and some that need the bigger.

            Oh! News flash.

            If you have some potassium Iodide you have sales and may make that goal of the 400,000 with a 50g investment.

            Apparently it is flying off the shelves in California (at this very moment) as it is known as an anti radiation treatment.

            It's all about being prepared, and in the right place at the right time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I would suggest buying domain names with any of these given scenarios. If you are smart, you could do some good flips with the cash provided.

    Also if you had a lot of money like in C and D you could do some PPC or PPV advertsing or even fb advertising....
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Thanks for the post Dan. I enjoyed just thinking about the scenarios. I would like to do half a million in 3 months one day...this can only help get the wheels turning :-)
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