A Challenge for an IM 'Guru' - Any Takers?

150 replies
Hi there,

I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

THE CHALLENGE...

I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

Chris
#challenge #guru #takers
  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
    Banned
    Wow! Some guru is going to be one lucky person to be able to teach you for free. I would recommend interviewing them first to pick the right guru. I am sure you will get a lot of gurus just wanting to be the "one."

    You wouldn't want to waste your time working with the wrong guru.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522572].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
      Yes you are quite right Thomas, have you any tips? Your sarcasm is well noted...are you up to the challenge then?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522590].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
        Banned
        Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

        Yes you are quite right Thomas, have you any tips? Your sarcasm is well noted...are you up to the challenge then?
        Sorry, I have my own business and customers to take care of. They are my priority.

        Charity wise, I am setting up a non profit to help people in 3rd world countries get college educations so they can help themselves and their families.

        I believe that will keep me more than busy and personally satisfied.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522606].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
      LMAO!

      Good one.

      Here is some free advice. Stop buying, start looking in the free part of this forum about proven methods and put those into effect.

      Also since you have some skills think about offering a service.

      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Wow! Some guru is going to be one lucky person to be able to teach you for free. I would recommend interviewing them first to pick the right guru. I am sure you will get a lot of gurus just wanting to be the "one."

      You wouldn't want to waste your time working with the wrong guru.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522605].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Wow! Some guru is going to be one lucky person to be able to teach you for free. I would recommend interviewing them first to pick the right guru. I am sure you will get a lot of gurus just wanting to be the "one."

      You wouldn't want to waste your time working with the wrong guru.


      Are you British by any chance?!!
      Signature
      Living in SE Asia.. BKK.. PM me for a beer!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522627].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        spending lots of money trying out BS products
        Why are you spending lots of money trying out BS products? There are tons of non BS products you could have bought.

        Were the sales letters that good?

        Here is a question for you - what is your marketing plan? You know, the one you implemented from the BS product? Can you show us what went wrong with that plan or campaign? Wrong niche? Bad sales letter? Unresponsive list? No traffic to your site?
        Signature

        "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522652].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          Why are you spending lots of money trying out BS products? There are tons of non BS products you could have bought.

          Were the sales letters that good?

          Here is a question for you - what is your marketing plan? You know, the one you implemented from the BS product? Can you show us what went wrong with that plan or campaign? Wrong niche? Bad sales letter? Unresponsive list? No traffic to your site?

          This seems like a genuine question by Jill. Answering her questions could be starting point in getting those products to work.

          The people here are quite helpful, however they will no respond kindly to OPs like this.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522686].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Wow! Some guru is going to be one lucky person to be able to teach you for free. I would recommend interviewing them first to pick the right guru. I am sure you will get a lot of gurus just wanting to be the "one."

      You wouldn't want to waste your time working with the wrong guru.
      LOL... .
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3567079].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Good luck on this. You have absolutely no risk and the guru type (your words) has all the liability.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522574].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Good luck on this. You have absolutely no risk and the guru type (your words) has all the liability.
      Thanks for the comment, I fail to see the 'liability' if the guru type knows their onions, if you are confident in your knowledge where is the risk?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522601].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
        Banned
        Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

        Thanks for the comment, I fail to see the 'liability' if the guru type knows their onions, if you are confident in your knowledge where is the risk?
        The "liability" is you not doing what you are told or not following instructions.

        You have no skin in the game and thus no reason to follow through.

        Why waste our time?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522615].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          The "liability" is you not doing what you are told or not following instructions.

          You have no skin in the game and thus no reason to follow through.

          Why waste our time?
          Regarding doing what I am told and following instructions this would go without saying, as I said previously I am a blank slate, and regarding no reason to follow through on it, I have 5 children that I provide for, I don't claim benefits off the state, I work and I work damn hard, I want to be successful in the realms of internet marketing so I can actually be a part of my kids lives, and spend as much time as possible, that in itself is plenty enough reason to follow through...
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522638].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

            Regarding doing what I am told and following instructions this would go without saying, as I said previously I am a blank slate, and regarding no reason to follow through on it, I have 5 children that I provide for, I don't claim benefits off the state, I work and I work damn hard, I want to be successful in the realms of internet marketing so I can actually be a part of my kids lives, and spend as much time as possible, that in itself is plenty enough reason to follow through...
            Ok, if you say you work and you work damn hard, the first thing you need to do is quit getting taken in by all those "pushbutton make money overnight" products and be prepared to focus and work hard on your internet marketing. $200 won't get you very far in IM, especially if you utilize paid advertising, so you're going to have to really knuckle down and work on an established method in IM, there is no "magic pill" that is going to make you magically materialize $15k overnight here. For traffic, some of the more typical free sources are going to include article marketing, video creation, blog commenting, social media, etc. - are you prepared to work hard at this, or are you just a poseur?

            Paul
            Signature
            >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522747].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
        You don't see the liability to the guru?

        How about all his time that you are not compensating him / her for?

        They spend their time working.

        Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

        Thanks for the comment, I fail to see the 'liability' if the guru type knows their onions, if you are confident in your knowledge where is the risk?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522616].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author SantiSantana
        I think you are going about this the wrong way. For those who have been on the forum for a while, your thread is a well worn one. Many people have tried to do this and as far as I know none of them ot a "guru" to take them up on the "offer".

        The issue is, someone who is already making a good living online doesn´t need to prove to anyone she is doing it. His monthly checks are proof enough for her.

        From what I have seen in the past, the right way to go about this is by offering yourself as an "apprentice" to a succesful marketer in return for the knowledge you seek. You offer value to them, they offer value to you.

        To expect anyone to teach you for free is gonna have you waiting for along time. YOu might find someone but its not gonna happen overnight.

        Hope this helps.
        Signature

        Writer for hire

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522636].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
          Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

          I think you are going about this the wrong way. For those who have been on the forum for a while, your thread is a well worn one. Many people have tried to do this and as far as I know none of them ot a "guru" to take them up on the "offer".

          The issue is, someone who is already making a good living online doesn´t need to prove to anyone she is doing it. His monthly checks are proof enough for her.

          From what I have seen in the past, the right way to go about this is by offering yourself as an "apprentice" to a succesful marketer in return for the knowledge you seek. You offer value to them, they offer value to you.

          To expect anyone to teach you for free is gonna have you waiting for along time. YOu might find someone but its not gonna happen overnight.

          Hope this helps.
          Thank you for your reply, I can see the sense in where you are coming from with this and will take it onboard, could you elaborate a little on what value I might present to a successful marketer? maybe future jvs or doing some of their workload maybe? - you aren't looking for an apprentice are you just out of interest?
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522654].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author SantiSantana
            Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

            Thank you for your reply, I can see the sense in where you are coming from with this and will take it onboard, could you elaborate a little on what value I might present to a successful marketer? maybe future jvs or doing some of their workload maybe? - you aren't looking for an apprentice are you just out of interest?

            Usually you will be asked to perform tasks in a field you are qualified in exchange for the knowledge. It would likely work as an apprenticeship of sorts.

            On a different not i see people talking about methods and formulas. he method is one: Find a market that needs a product or solution and provide it to them.

            The formula also happens to be one only: money= conversions/traffic x price

            price:your price point, it can affect conversions
            traffic: the number of people that get to read your sales proposition
            conversions: the nomber of people that read your sales proposition and eccpt it, becoming buyers/customers.

            You will read about all sorts of "magic" systems, turnkey businesses, "ninja" techniques and so on and so forth. In the end pretty much alll boils down to the above method and formula.

            You might ask yourself why are there so many people selling the same thing with different names or different approaches. Ask yourself why are there so many car brands when everyone could be just driving a ford escort or why are there so many soap brands.

            What happens with IM and MMO products is that each publisher finetunes the system their own way or explains it in a different way. Some people "connect" better with others, be it for their writing style, the way they explain things or many other reasons.

            The good news for you is that for the most part, you have already paid for most of the knowledge you need to be succesful in this business, the bad news is if you are looking for a mentor you learn better by working with other people than by instructing yourself, which tends to be more costly (coaching is dearer than books).

            There ar eplaces where you can find people in your situation, you might be able to help each other out.

            Hope this helps.
            Signature

            Writer for hire

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522722].message }}
        • Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

          I think you are going about this the wrong way. For those who have been on the forum for a while, your thread is a well worn one. Many people have tried to do this and as far as I know none of them ot a "guru" to take them up on the "offer".

          The issue is, someone who is already making a good living online doesn´t need to prove to anyone she is doing it. His monthly checks are proof enough for her.

          From what I have seen in the past, the right way to go about this is by offering yourself as an "apprentice" to a succesful marketer in return for the knowledge you seek. You offer value to them, they offer value to you.

          To expect anyone to teach you for free is gonna have you waiting for along time. YOu might find someone but its not gonna happen overnight.

          Hope this helps.

          This is exactly what I did.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4240950].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

        Thanks for the comment, I fail to see the 'liability' if the guru type knows their onions, if you are confident in your knowledge where is the risk?
        I understand where you are coming from however i think the main thing here is Time!

        I work online full time and it is HARD work!

        Not hard in the sense of laboring and a damn sight easier than working for someone else but some days I work 12 - 14 hour days and do it because I enjoy it.

        I enjoy growing MY business.

        The thing I don't get here is that you want someone to GROW your business so you can document it and say "Yes it does work!" - so the "guru" has to invest all the time and impart the lessons they have learnt to you for free so they have your approval.

        I think a better idea would be this:

        I see you are a member of the War Room - if i were starting out again I would pick a topic that interests me from there and THEN record it all as I try out the strategy.

        There is MORE than enough information in this forum to build a business and make a VERY good income for FREE.

        As you say you are not lacking on any of the skills you need you just need to take action (or it sounds like that).

        There ARE no secrets!

        Just building up contacts, building your lists, finding a good niche and getting your slice of the pie.

        I don't think anyone will step up for your challenge because I think the "challenge" would be:

        "How can I run my business when I am helping you grow yours for free?"

        Jut my 2 pence mate and I wish you luck with it!

        Chris
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522988].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Dave Lianelli
        Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

        Thanks for the comment, I fail to see the 'liability' if the guru type knows their onions, if you are confident in your knowledge where is the risk?
        The risk lays in you. A factor that can't be controlled. Therefore results are not guaranteed

        On a more serious note, I recommend you take Brian's offer.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523544].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Besides what Thomas pointed out... here is what I see as a "problem":
    It has to be methods you claim work,
    You are still looking for the "magic" method! However, it is not the method that makes you money. Offer something (product or service) that people want to buy = that's the magic.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522622].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    Instead of looking for the magic formula (there isn't one that works for everyone) spend your time and money on obtaining the tools you need to put a successful business together.

    This can be software for creating products and doing research or getting a domain and hosting. Stuff like that.

    Then find a niche that has a need and create or market a product that fills the need.

    That's what I did when I started out and it has treated me very well over the years.

    Full time IM since April 2005.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522666].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
    Hi.

    Unfortunately what you're offering wont be accepted.

    A guru is already getting paid for what they are doing. You are offering to take their time for the tiny bit of exposure your blog would provide.

    Don't take this too personally but this sort of request by you has been made many times before on this forum. You simply have no skin in the game (as others have been pointing out).

    -Simon
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522672].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    Why don't you have a look in the Members Challenges and Contests section of this forum? There's an active thread about "sponsoring a warrior" that could be helpful for you.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522679].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      There are often group coaching programs offered as WSO's - obviously you want to choose one that is offered by someone who is successful in IM and has been around for a while.

      These are inexpensive and can be helpful in getting started. Later, when you have learned more and are seeing progress it might be smart to spend some money for a few hours with a top coach who can help develop your business plan/path.

      You can also use the search function on this forum to find excellent advice on almost any IM topic. A few hours of reading here is enough to be able to start judging who offers real information and who is posting for signature views or ego.

      You have good reasons (5 of them) to work hard to succeed. Don't wait for someone to show you - start digging in an learning all you can. Examine the different ways to make money online so you can choose a method that suits you - and then stick to it.

      Don't buy into the "make money fast/easy" crap products and promises. IM isn't hard once you get going but it can be a bear at first so be prepared for that.

      kay
      Signature
      Every child needs a pet because every family needs an optimist

      Saving one dog will not save the world....but will forever change the world for one dog.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522707].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    What is it that you want to do? Sell info products? Have niche sites that make money from adsense? or niche products like Amazon? Do you have a particular niche you want to be in?

    Different coaches will specialize in different areas so you probably need to narrow this down first. Of course, I doubt any real coach is going to come in here and volunteer to coach you for free as they are probably quite busy with their paid students but if you can narrow down what you want to do then you can maybe find some courses that set you in the right direction.
    Signature
    Gone Fishing
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522710].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I can hear the frustration in your voice. You might find someone to take the challenge, but there is a quicker way to get a "guru's" mentoring without spending money. Not that it won't cost you something mind you.

    If you would be willing to write articles, place ads, man a help desk, be a virtual assistant, or do any and all grunt work that a guru needs done for the experience... you might be able to work with someone that is awesome. It has to be real effort and you must be sincere. You must be willing to go the extra mile.

    Even then no one is going to turn over everything to you until you've proven to be hard working and worthy.

    If you have cycles (hours) that you can dedicate to helping someone else with their business it would be as valuable or more so than what you propose.
    Signature

    Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. -Winston Churchill

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522727].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      If you would be willing to write articles, place ads, man a help desk, be a virtual assistant, or do any and all grunt work that a guru needs done for the experience... you might be able to work with someone that is awesome.
      This is how I got started. I knew how to write, but not what to do with what I wrote. So I...

      - Responded to an ad requesting writers
      - Bought a WSO about ghostwriting
      - Started promoting myself as a writer
      - Worked for a lot of article marketers
      - Raised my rates
      - Worked for a lot of authority bloggers
      - Raised my rates
      - Worked for a lot of product creators
      - Started creating my own products

      Now I don't write for anyone except myself. I learned a lot about how different people used my writing to make money, and I ultimately chose to follow the path that I thought made the most sense for my business.

      The best part is, I was getting paid to learn this stuff the whole time.
      Signature
      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3530463].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        This is how I got started. I knew how to write, but not what to do with what I wrote. So I...

        - Responded to an ad requesting writers
        - Bought a WSO about ghostwriting
        - Started promoting myself as a writer
        - Worked for a lot of article marketers
        - Raised my rates
        - Worked for a lot of authority bloggers
        - Raised my rates
        - Worked for a lot of product creators
        - Started creating my own products

        Now I don't write for anyone except myself. I learned a lot about how different people used my writing to make money, and I ultimately chose to follow the path that I thought made the most sense for my business.

        The best part is, I was getting paid to learn this stuff the whole time.
        Thank you for sharing this, CDarklock! I'm following, more or less, the same path and I'm very optimistic! Tiffany Dow, a marketer whom I trust very much and learned a lot from, gives the same advice for those who want to make good in Internet. Here's a summary (in order):

        1) First, offer a service (ghostwriting is an example).
        2) Then, learn from your clients.
        3) Then, create and sell your own products (e.g. e-books and PLR articles).
        4) Finally, create other streams of income (affiliate marketing, etc.)

        To Chris (a.k.a. ergosum): Before you spend your money on any other IM course, make sure that you already have access to the War Room. $37 is all you need to spend and you will have access for 20 years! That's the best $37 investment I've ever made. There's a boatload of great information in there. This is a place where the gurus are generous!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565723].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by cyberdenizen View Post

          Thank you for sharing this, CDarklock! I'm following, more or less, the same path and I'm very optimistic! Tiffany Dow, a marketer whom I trust very much and learned a lot from, gives the same advice for those who want to make good in Internet. Here's a summary (in order):

          1) First, offer a service (ghostwriting is an example).
          2) Then, learn from your clients.
          3) Then, create and sell your own products (e.g. e-books and PLR articles).
          4) Finally, create other streams of income (affiliate marketing, etc.)

          To Chris (a.k.a. ergosum): Before you spend your money on any other IM course, make sure that you already have access to the War Room. $37 is all you need to spend and you will have access for 20 years! That's the best $37 investment I've ever made. There's a boatload of great information in there. This is a place where the gurus are generous!
          This is a great course of action to take, especially for newbies who are in an almost constant state of confusion as to what they should do in IM.

          By providing services initially such as article writing (which is highly recommended because it is such an evergreen service in IM), not only do you get to earn money almost immediately, but you also learn how this can integrate very effectively into a long-term IM business strategy.

          This experience will be absolutely invaluable in preparing you for the next step in your IM journey, whether you choose to go with product creation, affiliate marketing or site creation/flipping.
          Signature
          >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565858].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        The best part is, I was getting paid to learn this stuff the whole time.
        Definitely a great way to learn while you earn!
        Signature
        What Misunderstood Traffic Source SUCKS In
        3 Million Visitors Daily and Spits Out
        $560.81 Per Day In Commissions?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565752].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    I think there is a 30 Days challenge some where online...Google it and get started with it....It's free...

    Don't waste time looking for the magic pill...it doesn't exist....
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522729].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.

    Chris
    Chris, I sense - and quite understand - your frustration with the route
    you've followed in the past.

    Many years ago (and from time to time since then), I too have
    felt that way - as I'm sure have thousands of Warriors.

    The trouble is, EVEN IF a 'guru' gave you a proven system and
    step by step guidance, it would still be up to YOU to carry
    out the things s/he teaches you - and the results you get
    will be a function of that action.


    If you'd like to follow a system, try the one I outlined in
    a recent post here

    It's a system I based my OWN early growth upon - and so I
    know it works.

    So... Will YOU try it?

    All success
    Dr.Mani
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522909].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Gurus love working for free and being openly challenged at the same time. You should have them lined up fighting one another to accept your offer.

    Do you really think successful marketers have to prove themselves to you or anybody else for that matter?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522940].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Happy_Balance
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      ...
      Do you really think successful marketers have to prove themselves to you or anybody else for that matter?
      • Successful affiliate marketers have nothing to prove.
      • 'Gurus' who repeatedly take advantage of newbies are a different breed, IMO.
      • SEO 'Pros' and back-linkers are Spammers!
      Signature

      Every Day Is Fun! :)

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3567686].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    hey I agree with Tim Carer, being honest you don't need to spend money to learn. The warrior forum and internet is full of content explaining how IM works for free. Yes you probably will find someone willing to take your money and may build you a nice site or set up some marketing...whatever but a real mentor is someone who can guide you through your journey.
    It will probably take you time to make some real money because you need to understand how the whole industry works unless you join a great programme or launch a fab product which will make you rich very quickly.

    I would advise that you carry out some research and implement whatever you know. I mean you mention videos/blogs etc so why not give it a try and invest in some education rather than a mentor.

    Spend your money on tools and resources that will last and benefit you and your business in the long term. Unfortunately there is no secret 'get rich quick scheme'.

    You can find some recommended tools which I use on my blog, either google me or pm me for more info.
    All the best
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522949].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I wonder if this type of proposal would work on a college admin office.

    "I have flunked out of several schools, after they all claimed that I would get an education. I challenge you to let me go to school here for free to see if this 'education' thing actually works. Oh and I also need you to buy my books. What do you say, Harvard, are you in or is this education claim a bunch of BS?"
    Signature
    My New Video Series is Free (for now)
    Crazy good marketing tips from the founder of JVZoo.
    Get EBR 365 Now!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3522973].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys!

    I'm willing to bet 90% of those products weren't BS and it comes down to this again

    Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

    Give someone a chunk of wood and a carving knife and what do you get?

    > A small percentage will create a work of art.

    > A somewhat larger percentage will create a pile of shavings.

    > A large percentage will hand you back the wood and the knife, having done nothing with it and claiming that

    woodcarving is impossible or evil.

    > A small percentage will produce a trip to the emergency room, having tried to use the carving knife as a hammer...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523044].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      I'm willing to bet 90% of those products weren't BS and it comes down to this again

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
      Give someone a chunk of wood and a carving knife and what do you get?
      Robert, this reminded me of a favorite poem:

      A Bag of Tools
      Poet: R. L. Sharpe

      Isn't it strange
      That princes and kings,
      And clowns that caper
      In sawdust rings,
      And common people
      Like you and me
      Are builders for eternity?

      Each is given a bag of tools,
      A shapeless mass,
      A book of rules;
      And each must make,
      Ere life is flown
      A stumbling block
      Or a stepping-stone.


      All success
      Dr.Mani
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523116].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      I'm willing to bet 90% of those products weren't BS and it comes down to this again
      I'd be willing to bet you're exactly right.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523887].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Funny thing... there's plenty of free information on this, and other forums to build yourself a nice business.

    So why do you expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter?

    Discipline yourself to a regular process and effort around a specific technique that you learn here.

    That's "the secret".

    No guru will get you to get off your arse and work if you're already expecting them to hand the entire program to you. Sounds like doom from day 1.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523045].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      My rates are $100 per hour.

      Good luck finding what you're looking for.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523074].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I'm going to add this (trying to keep the steam from coming out of my
        ears from these damn entitlement threads)...Listen and listen very closely.

        THERE ARE NO MAGIC BULLETS

        THERE ARE NO SECRETS

        THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS

        THERE IS ONLY WORK, WORK AND MORE WORK...SOME OF IT HARD
        .

        Stop looking for the magic cure all, get off your ass and DO SOMETHING.

        I'll stop here before I say a whole lot of things that I'm going to regret.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523109].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        I understand the OP's frustration. Not all "entitlement" threads are written by people looking for a magic bullet.

        I know plenty of people who are willing to work hard and just want an opportunity to learn how to build their own business.

        Unfortunately they don't know how to get started or they get distracted by all the information and products that are available.

        That's what makes this forum so valuable. There is an incredible amount of FREE information available!

        My advice:

        1. Study the WF forum and decide on a business model
        2. Take advantage of all the free information
        3. Offer a service to help fund your new business
        4. Find a mentor and either offer to barter your services for their mentoring or pay them
        5. Work your plan

        Good luck!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523147].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        My rates are $100 per hour.

        Good luck finding what you're looking for.
        Chris,

        This is a reasonable offer (actually as Steven pointed out it is an extremely reasonable offer but he won't work with you so you'll have to look elsewhere) and once you're clear on your business model, you could probably invest "in as needed" coaching to help you amp up your progress.

        But "free", you just ain't gonna find it! (Apparently I was wrong, if you visit this thread there are several warriors willing to mentor for free: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...h-can-you.html )

        Merlyn
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523180].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by MerlynSanchez View Post

          Chris,

          This is a reasonable offer and once you're clear on your business model, you could probably invest "in as needed" coaching to help you amp up your progress.

          But "free", you just ain't gonna find it!

          Merlyn
          Reasonable is an understatement, but I wouldn't work with the OP if hell
          froze over tomorrow. I have a strict weeding out process and this person
          failed right out of the gate.

          No thanks...I'll pass for any amount of money.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523189].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Reasonable is an understatement, but I wouldn't work with the OP if hell
            froze over tomorrow. I have a strict weeding out process and this person
            failed right out of the gate.

            No thanks...I'll pass for any amount of money.
            You made me laugh - thank you!

            I'm sure your weeding out policy makes your job much easier and infinitely more pleasurable!

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523206].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          What can you tell me about that HGC diet? Why only 3 links to the site? Where is your list builder there?

          Doesn't even look like you really tried.
          Signature

          "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523197].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        My rates are $100 per hour.

        Good luck finding what you're looking for.
        That's too cheap dude...
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3532229].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
    In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

    If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

    Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

    Chris

    This is now approximately the 2,348th time someone has issued
    this "challenge" on the forum since I've been a member.

    For me, the amusement value never seems to wane...

    Tsnyder
    Signature
    If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523135].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      This is now approximately the 2,348th time someone has issued
      this "challenge" on the forum since I've been a member.

      For me, the amusement value never seems to wane...

      Tsnyder
      Maybe, but I'm more amused from reading a stop sign.

      This stuff, for me, is just plain annoying.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523152].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mediasurgeons
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      This is now approximately the 2,348th time someone has issued
      this "challenge" on the forum since I've been a member.

      For me, the amusement value never seems to wane...

      Tsnyder
      Also the 2,348th time the gurus have passed on such a wonderful offer?

      The mind truly does boggle...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523165].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by jacobjoseph View Post

        Also the 2,348th time the gurus have passed on such a wonderful offer?

        The mind truly does boggle...
        Please describe the wonderful part for me... lol

        Tsnyder
        Signature
        If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do...
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523178].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      This is now approximately the 2,348th time someone has issued
      this "challenge" on the forum since I've been a member.

      For me, the amusement value never seems to wane...

      Tsnyder
      It is pretty amusing, especially when they act like they're entitled to this - they just don't realize how much time, energy and effort go into coaching someone effectively, and that in the majority of cases more money can be made by doing this stuff rather than teaching it, especially on a one-to-one basis.
      Signature
      >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523267].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mediasurgeons
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        It is pretty amusing, especially when they act like they're entitled to this - they just don't realize how much time, energy and effort go into coaching someone effectively, and that in the majority of cases more money can be made by doing this stuff rather than teaching it, especially on a one-to-one basis.
        Best thing anyone has said so far.

        Why would anyone successful here spend their time coaching an unknown?

        The time it would take to teach a novice effectively would cost me 50 websites, a couple of well written books and time with my friends and family at the very least and I'm nowhere near "guru" level, just one of the many people who are quietly comfortable.

        There are people out there who work 9-5 in hellish jobs, they get up at 5am to spend an hour or two in the morning working on their business and when they get home they do the same until late at night. They plug away for months consistently, maybe even years in some cases. Testing what works and what doesn't THEMSELVES, Working THEMSELVES and having faith in their OWN ability. Call me old fashioned but this is the way it should be. You want to live the dream then do your time in the unknown.

        It is literally infuriating when people come on here believing they have a God given right to answers when they're first website didn't work. Madness.

        Anyway, I'm off to try and get Lady Gaga to produce my next record so I can truly believe that a 22 year old overweight white male can be a success in the rap industry...
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523357].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
    showing you how to do everything.

    You'll build websites, traffic, products, offers,
    services, and your industry network.

    We'll be in touch every work day for at least
    one 20 minute heartbeat call.

    Only one catch - all the $ goes to me.

    You get your irrefutable proof for yourself and
    others as well as your education.

    I get initial financial rewards of your efforts.

    When do we start?

    Best,

    Brian McLeod
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523276].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
      showing you how to do everything.

      You'll build websites, traffic, products, offers,
      services, and your industry network.

      We'll be in touch every work day for at least
      one 20 minute heartbeat call.

      Only one catch - all the $ goes to me.

      You get your irrefutable proof for yourself and
      others as well as your education.

      I get initial financial rewards of your efforts.

      When do we start?

      Best,

      Brian McLeod
      As funny as that sounds...I know people who HAVE done that sort of deal and have NOT regretted it. Your answer is actually the ClOSEST I think to how the OP really needs to go about this.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523316].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SantiSantana
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
      showing you how to do everything.

      You'll build websites, traffic, products, offers,
      services, and your industry network.

      We'll be in touch every work day for at least
      one 20 minute heartbeat call.

      Only one catch - all the $ goes to me.

      You get your irrefutable proof for yourself and
      others as well as your education.

      I get initial financial rewards of your efforts.

      When do we start?

      Best,

      Brian McLeod

      Honest to God question: When do I start???
      Signature

      Writer for hire

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523363].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

        Honest to God question: When do I start???
        I second that!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523414].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

        Honest to God question: When do I start???
        If Brian's really serious with his offer and you're still floundering about with your internet marketing, I'd recommend you start contacting him right away before he changes his mind.
        Signature
        >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523457].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author cashcow
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
      showing you how to do everything.

      You'll build websites, traffic, products, offers,
      services, and your industry network.

      We'll be in touch every work day for at least
      one 20 minute heartbeat call.

      Only one catch - all the $ goes to me.

      You get your irrefutable proof for yourself and
      others as well as your education.

      I get initial financial rewards of your efforts.

      When do we start?

      Best,

      Brian McLeod
      I don't know if McLeod is kidding but if he isn't and you don't take him up on this, you would be a complete idiot.
      Signature
      Gone Fishing
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523379].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mediasurgeons
        Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

        I don't know if McLeod is kidding but if he isn't and you don't take him up on this, you would be a complete idiot.
        I second that if it is serious. I'm sure there will be a couple of people reading this right now that would be thrilled at that prospect.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523386].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
      showing you how to do everything.

      You'll build websites, traffic, products, offers,
      services, and your industry network.

      We'll be in touch every work day for at least
      one 20 minute heartbeat call.

      Only one catch - all the $ goes to me.

      You get your irrefutable proof for yourself and
      others as well as your education.

      I get initial financial rewards of your efforts.

      When do we start?

      Best,

      Brian McLeod
      HaHa I agree with this. I don't mind answering people's questions but I will not coach them for free.
      Signature

      Recent domain flips : $8->$1000 Social recruiting Software dot com $8->$2000 MobileSalesSoftware.com
      Invest in domains without the hard work !
      Email for details...Mike McAleer at me dot com

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523488].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      I'll put you to work for the next 6 months,
      showing you how to do everything
      What a fantastic offer from Brian McLeod! 4 months down the line I would love to hear the feedback from the OP!
      Signature
      FREE Video to Build Your Website:

      http://www. createmyownwebpage.net

      This Step-by-Step video guide will show you how to buil your website from scratch!(For FREE)
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4239162].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jack Doug
    If you like, you can visit my website for the details of how I make my first buck online
    Signature

    Your One And Only Acne Treatment Solution | Learn How To Get Rid Of Acne Fast In The Fastest Possible Ways! Everything is possible=!

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523280].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
    Firstly guys thank you all for your input, especially the one's who genuinely do want to help people who are stuck deep in the Analysis Paralysis stage of Internet Marketing, which I think I probably fall into the category of, I understand I have also irritated the hell out of some of you, which I apologise for and hope it didn't put you in too much of a bad mood for the day. I honestly never expected a Guru to come forward and accept the challenge, I knew it would be scoffed at by some, but I also know there are some people out there who do genuinely want to help others - and in the majority of the books I have read such as napoleon hill etc on becoming wealthy this is a biggie in becoming truly wealthy in mind and spirit as well as the bank, giving a little back..so once again to those who did give me the useful advice that will steer me on my path, thank you very much, I will take on board everything said to me, and will try and put it together to formulate a path through the minefield, enjoy the rest of your day, and thanks again,
    Chris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523287].message }}
    • To the original poster: I would reconsider your stand on this business man, you have the wrong mentality and it'll be difficult for you to grow your business like this.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523832].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      Firstly guys thank you all for your input, especially the one's who genuinely do want to help people who are stuck deep in the Analysis Paralysis stage of Internet Marketing, which I think I probably fall into the category of, I understand I have also irritated the hell out of some of you, which I apologise for and hope it didn't put you in too much of a bad mood for the day. I honestly never expected a Guru to come forward and accept the challenge, I knew it would be scoffed at by some, but I also know there are some people out there who do genuinely want to help others - and in the majority of the books I have read such as napoleon hill etc on becoming wealthy this is a biggie in becoming truly wealthy in mind and spirit as well as the bank, giving a little back..so once again to those who did give me the useful advice that will steer me on my path, thank you very much, I will take on board everything said to me, and will try and put it together to formulate a path through the minefield, enjoy the rest of your day, and thanks again,
      Chris
      Two hundred words. One period. Somebody call Guinness!
      Signature
      My New Video Series is Free (for now)
      Crazy good marketing tips from the founder of JVZoo.
      Get EBR 365 Now!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523972].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author petelta
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Two hundred words. One period. Somebody call Guinness!
        So article marketing is out....:p
        Signature
        TEESPRING Student Rakes In Over $116k In Less Than 3 Months
        Niche Pro Profits - How I raked in OVER $120k in 9 months with authority niche sites...

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524016].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
          Originally Posted by petelta View Post

          So article marketing is out....:p
          There look, I have just learned I need to create paragraphs
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524034].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Two hundred words. One period. Somebody call Guinness!
        Did you actually count them all? wow
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524027].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Two hundred words. One period. Somebody call Guinness!
        Brian, I just called Guinness. They referred me to the following sentence...

        From: Remembrances Of Things Past, Marcel Proust


        "He had the sudden suspicion that this hour spent in
        Odette's house, in the lamp light, was perhaps, after all,
        not an artificial hour, invented for his special use (with the
        object of concealing that frightening and delirious thing
        which was incessantly in his thoughts without his ever
        being able to form a satisfactory impression of it, an hour of
        Odette's real life, of her life when she was not there), with
        theatrical properties and pasteboard fruits, but was per-
        haps a genuine hour of Odette's life; that if he himself had
        not been there she would have poured out from him,
        not some unknown brew, but precisely this same orange-
        ade; that the world inhabited by Odette was not that other
        fearful and supernatural world in which he spent placing
        her–and which existed, perhaps, only in his imagination–
        but the real world, exhaling o special atmosphere of
        gloom, comprising that table at which he was now being
        permitted to taste, all these objects which he contemplated
        with as much curiosity and admiration as gratitude for it, in
        absorbing him from them, they showed him the palpable
        realization of his fancies, and they impressed themselves
        upon his mind, took shape and grew solid before his eyes,
        at the same time as they soothed his troubled heart."

        Funny, if I wrote this in 9th grade English class I'd be spending the next 3 years sitting in the dummy room with a pointy hat on. If I wrote it at age 50 I'd get a Nobel Prize for literature. It's a strange world, huh? --Mike
        Signature

        I'll help you create a reputation-building evergreen product in any niche and launch it successfully!
        Check it out here.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524109].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Two hundred words. One period. Somebody call Guinness!
        Maybe he was drinking Guinness at the time. ;-)
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524196].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
          Banned
          Last time I worked for Brian, I woke up in a Mexican prison wearing only lingerie and a "Brian Is Swell" tattoo.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524570].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
            I seriously don't want to see that - and now it is in my head and I can't help it.

            I am going for a lobotomy now.

            You will then find me hanging out at Digital Point.......

            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Last time I worked for Brian, I woke up in a Mexican prison wearing only lingerie and a "Brian Is Swell" tattoo.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524640].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

              I seriously don't want to see that - and now it is in my head and I can't help it.

              I am going for a lobotomy now.

              You will then find me hanging out at Digital Point.......
              That conjures up some pretty unsavory thoughts for me too; the image has been burned into my mind now and I can't get rid of it!

              It won't be easy to erase, but I think I'll recover...eventually.
              Signature
              >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524647].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Last time I worked for Brian, I woke up in a Mexican prison wearing only lingerie and a "Brian Is Swell" tattoo.
            Yeah, but you didn't tell them where you got the tattoo...

            Or the part about how you can only see "Brian Is" until...

            Well, nevermind.

            I didn't think you'd go through with it, really.

            Next time, don't eat the worm, Thomas.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524768].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
      Guess what, if you're planning to put US$ 200 for the capital, you need to work hard as hell. I mean it. Consider this:
      If you want to succeed in IM, you'll need at least 1 domain and 1 webhosting. That alone already cost you US$20. Rather than buying the WSO, try reading up mass amount of free posts here on warrior forum. I know some WSO are shared to public before they are sold as WSO.

      Be careful not to overload your head with the readings. I managed to survived the IM world having only a little amount of money to start. I don't have enough experience or time to spend. All I do is put all my effort to build my own business.

      Good luck.

      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      Firstly guys thank you all for your input, especially the one's who genuinely do want to help people who are stuck deep in the Analysis Paralysis stage of Internet Marketing, which I think I probably fall into the category of, I understand I have also irritated the hell out of some of you, which I apologise for and hope it didn't put you in too much of a bad mood for the day. I honestly never expected a Guru to come forward and accept the challenge, I knew it would be scoffed at by some, but I also know there are some people out there who do genuinely want to help others - and in the majority of the books I have read such as napoleon hill etc on becoming wealthy this is a biggie in becoming truly wealthy in mind and spirit as well as the bank, giving a little back..so once again to those who did give me the useful advice that will steer me on my path, thank you very much, I will take on board everything said to me, and will try and put it together to formulate a path through the minefield, enjoy the rest of your day, and thanks again,
      Chris
      Signature

      Thanks,

      William Prawira

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3526418].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      ...people who are stuck deep in the Analysis Paralysis stage of Internet Marketing, which I think I probably fall into the category of...
      Hi Chris,

      There's a wonderful post that lays out the main types of IM business in a menu format and might help you to overcome that "paralysis of analysis"...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...n-english.html

      Best Wishes,
      John.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529553].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make
    No doubt there is a lot of that going on. But...how did you "conclude it" in general? What were your logical steps and actions you took to reach this conclusion.

    If anybody even did consider taking you up on this challenge I would hope they would require you to document all the products you bought, what steps you implemented from the product in detail. Where you got stuck. What you did to get unstuck when you hit a block.

    Plus whether you were to pay for this or not, it should be YOU that is seeking out the mentor that YOU want to study with - not just their techniques, but their outlook on marketing and ways of running their business and marketing.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523304].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Why not just challenge yourself to create the successful internet business you want?

    There are lots of WSOs out there for cheap that go over business models that work. Buy one and follow it relentlessly.

    How about this?...I have a WSO launching Thursday on my method of creating one form of successful internet business. Send me a PM and I will let you have it for free once I release it. I promise if you follow the steps inside, you will create wealth from your web business.

    Travis

    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
    In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

    If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

    Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

    Chris
    Signature
    TEESPRING Student Rakes In Over $116k In Less Than 3 Months
    Niche Pro Profits - How I raked in OVER $120k in 9 months with authority niche sites...

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523307].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by petelta View Post

      Why not just challenge yourself to create the successful internet business you want?

      There are lots of WSOs out there for cheap that go over business models that work. Buy one and follow it relentlessly.

      How about this?...I have a WSO launching Thursday on my method of creating one form of successful internet business. Send me a PM and I will let you have it for free once I release it. I promise if you follow the steps inside, you will create wealth from your web business.

      Travis
      Travis, it's great that you're so generously offering your upcoming product to the OP.

      The truth of the matter is that many of the WSOs offered on here actually do work, but you have to focus on one method consistently until you start seeing results. A WSO (or any other IM course, for that matter) is not a magic pill that will magically make you money without a fair amount of effort and persistence, and too many people just quit prematurely before they've put in the required amount of work to get it running properly.

      Paul
      Signature
      >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523413].message }}
    • I can empathize with your situation. I am working through the same situation as I am new to the IM field. I have found a couple of really special people that seem to help a lot and I attribute all of the "BS" you and I have (or are) working through as paying my dues.
      Why not offer to do the work with the guru and give them all of the money on whatever project they want to do. After all, you will know how to do it on your own projects after training. I would offer to do whatever they said to do, as long as they where honest, for however long it took so they could reap the rewards.
      This way they make money and you get an education.
      I believe that instead of sarcasm you have to hit a win-win.
      By the way...teach a man to fish or give him a fish. I want to know how not just fed for a night...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565477].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Damani Tabor
      The forum is the guru.
      You just need to know the right question to ask.

      What method are you concentrating on right now?
      BUM marketing?

      If that were the case you could ask;
      1. longtail keyword research
      2. backlinking strategy
      3. direct linking vs landing pages, and best practices.

      You need to know what to ask the SUPER GURU that is the Warrior Forum.

      Cheers!
      Signature

      For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
      - Google beware!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565516].message }}
  • You should probably post this in the Challenges section of the forum.

    LOL.
    Signature
    @xxxx[{::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> IM COUPONS <::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::}]xxxx@
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523325].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Chris has just contacted me.

    Give him his first props, peeps.

    Takes balls to call that raise.

    And thank you to everybody who said nice things
    about taking me up on the offer.

    Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

    I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
    whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
    stuck in a pattern.

    We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
    stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

    Brian
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523511].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

      Brian

      Brian...you're a better man than me.

      My hat's off to you.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523559].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
      It's good to see that something good has come out of this thread. :rolleyes:

      I hope that the exchange goes well for both Brian and Chris, and I'm looking forward to hearing how things have gone in six months time!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523566].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

      Brian

      Brian,
      Awesome that he contacted you. I was posting a reply when you posted yours. That does show that he's willing. And he did say what he already knew how to do, which is a big step. It seems he just needs some guidance on how to use his skills to create and leverage the model.

      Congrats Chris!

      -Dani
      Signature
      Easily Recruit JV Partners & Affiliates
      with lifetime commissions
      Lead Money Locker
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523584].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mediasurgeons
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

      Brian
      Best of luck to you both, I hope it goes well.

      No doubt this has the potential to be a very convenient deal for you both.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523592].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

      Brian

      Awesome Brian. Good on ya'.

      Document the entire process, and then sell the product with Chris getting a cut when he hits his goals.

      Sweeten the pot.

      Chris, if you muck this up, it's 100% on you. Brian is no slouch.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524763].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hey Brian,

      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself

      Brian
      I agree about Chris.

      so, when he "graduates" (i.e. after fulfilling his obligation to you), I'll give him a complimentary license for Rapid Action Profits.

      You're the coach, so you decide when he's ready. I'll send you a link and you can award it to him.
      Signature

      Sid Hale
      Coming Soon... Rapid Action Profits (Pro)

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3526317].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Hey Brian,

        I agree about Chris.

        so, when he "graduates" (i.e. after fulfilling his obligation to you), I'll give him a complimentary license for Rapid Action Profits.

        You're the coach, so you decide when he's ready. I'll send you a link and you can award it to him.
        Sid,

        You're awesome.

        THIS is how I remember the Warrior Forum of old...

        I've got Chris going through some of my material,
        to learn more about me and what I do.

        The first step is to make sure that there can be a
        second step, then a third, and so on.

        I appreciate you and you know I loves me some RAP.

        Brian
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3528103].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          This is the spirit of the Warrior Forum. Brian, Sid and anyone else who offered to help - you're all awesome!

          I know we see our share of entitlement threads here so sometimes we get jaded. We respond to all requests for help the same way.

          I think Brian may have taught a lesson to more than just the OP.
          Signature
          Discover how to have fabulous, engaging content with
          Fast & Easy Content Creation
          ***Especially if you don't have enough time, money, or just plain HATE writing***
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3528546].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
          Hi Guys,

          I have just re-read all the posts in this thread, and must say I am pretty humbled, thank you all so much, of course big thanks to Brian who I am certain will help me become a success story out of this, also to Dani who has offered her knowledge, Travis for his kind offer, and Sid for his very generous offer also.

          As well as that to every one who has offered there input, there were a few who disliked my initial posting, and their words made me more determined so they are very useful too, at the end of the day the majority of you recognised my frustration and offered great words of inspiration and advice, so from the bottom of my heart thank you for that!

          I am sure this post will be invaluable to a lot of newcomers and hope they read it, I am currently in the process of absorbing all the material Brian has given me to kick off with and thankfully understanding it , I am sure he is just the type of guy who can teach me exactly what I need to learn, and I know the onus is on me to not let him or myself down, I am extremely grateful for the opportunity given to me and won't waste it.

          Thank you all guys and I hope to get to the chance to provide some inspiration and help to others myself in the future, as you have done for me

          Chris
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3530315].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

            Hi Guys,

            I have just re-read all the posts in this thread, and must say I am pretty humbled, thank you all so much, of course big thanks to Brian who I am certain will help me become a success story out of this, also to Dani who has offered her knowledge, Travis for his kind offer, and Sid for his very generous offer also.

            As well as that to every one who has offered there input, there were a few who disliked my initial posting, and their words made me more determined so they are very useful too, at the end of the day the majority of you recognised my frustration and offered great words of inspiration and advice, so from the bottom of my heart thank you for that!

            I am sure this post will be invaluable to a lot of newcomers and hope they read it, I am currently in the process of absorbing all the material Brian has given me to kick off with and thankfully understanding it , I am sure he is just the type of guy who can teach me exactly what I need to learn, and I know the onus is on me to not let him or myself down, I am extremely grateful for the opportunity given to me and won't waste it.

            Thank you all guys and I hope to get to the chance to provide some inspiration and help to others myself in the future, as you have done for me

            Chris

            Chris, first of all, I do sincerely hope Brian helps you. He's one bright guy
            and somebody I'd want as a mentor if I were just starting out.

            My response to you was out of pure frustration and personal experience
            with so many people who I have offered to help, free of charge, and ended
            up either wasting my time or doing nothing. I can't even count the hours
            I've wasted. As a result, I no longer offer help. Burn me once, shame on
            you. Burn me twice, shame on me. Burn me three times and I should have
            my head examined.

            And trust me...I have been burned more than a few times.

            Heck, I've had people pay for my services and do nothing with them.

            So please don't take my reply personally.

            It came from years of wondering if there is anybody out there really
            serious about being successful.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3530637].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Chris has just contacted me.

      Give him his first props, peeps.

      Takes balls to call that raise.

      And thank you to everybody who said nice things
      about taking me up on the offer.

      Maybe I need to run an Indentured Servitude WSO?

      I don't get the impression that Chris is your typical
      whiner - I think he's just genuinely frustrated and
      stuck in a pattern.

      We'll see what happens, but I give him kudos for
      stepping up to a reciprocal challenge himself.

      Brian
      Give yourself super kudos and intergalactic props for replying with an actual offer to help the guy instead of being a sarcastic tool.

      That takes balls.

      Cheers!

      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

      Hey Brian,



      I agree about Chris.

      so, when he "graduates" (i.e. after fulfilling his obligation to you), I'll give him a complimentary license for Rapid Action Profits.

      You're the coach, so you decide when he's ready. I'll send you a link and you can award it to him.
      ^^^ That's awesome, Sid... and a pretty sweet "bonus". You rock.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3572852].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author xtrapunch
    I am not a marketing guru. Actually, I bought an Amazon Affiliate course a couple of months ago for $37. It didn't have any "SECRET" for making money. Everything mentioned in there was already in the public domain and I had fairly good idea about it. All that the marketing guru did was create compelling pitch.

    You need to start working! Best advice is always free. Try niche websites or something like that. All the best.

    PS: You will have to offer something ($$$$) for the IM guru in your challenge if you want someone to actually accept it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523526].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author steveshills
      Dude, understand your pain, but the first thing you must start to implement is the amount of time spent here in Warrior Forum, places such as the Warrior Forum are designed to help people, but just like in your case and many others you search around for the magic pill, the problem is that So many products are being sold with claims of this so called magic pill, and this is where most newbies come unstuck.

      I agree with the other warriors when they talk about sticking to one method, I'd love for someone to take this guy up on his offer, if you look at pot pie girl and her one week marketing course, she showed a guy how to make money via squidoo, and for free.

      So go on, someone take him up on his offer, its a whole new chance to create a new product?
      Signature

      No Lies, No BS, Just Good Info So All Can Succeed
      Visit Steven shillingford

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523589].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    I noticed you didn't reply to Jill, or at least not in public.

    Therein lies your answer.

    Figure out why you failed to achieve what you want to achieve, make corrections. Ask intelligent questions about the particular problems that you had on your way to following a course/strategy/product/button.

    You'll gain invaluable advice when you are stuck actually 'trying' to make something work, from this very forum.

    On a different note, if you end up not taking Brian's offer (if he was serious about it), if you plain and simple don't like his face. I make you the same offer.

    Although Brian makes more money than I do, he is probably cooler too. I seriously offer you a similar deal. A place in my private group coaching program (re-open april), on the same terms. All the $$ go to me for the next 3 months.

    Jim Rohn once said, 'You can help a thousand, but you can't carry 3 on your back'. Food for thought.

    Maddi Murtaza
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523560].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Maddi View Post

      I noticed you didn't reply to Jill, or at least not in public.

      Therein lies your answer.

      Figure out why you failed to achieve what you want to achieve, make corrections. Ask intelligent questions about the particular problems that you had on your way to following a course/strategy/product/button.

      You'll gain invaluable advice when you are stuck actually 'trying' to make something work, from this very forum.

      On a different note, if you end up not taking Brian's offer (if he was serious about it), if you plain and simple don't like his face. I make you the same offer.

      Although Brian makes more money than I do, he is probably cooler too. I seriously offer you a similar deal. A place in my private group coaching program (re-open april), on the same terms. All the $$ go to me for the next 3 months.

      Jim Rohn once said, 'You can help a thousand, but you can't carry 3 on your back'. Food for thought.

      Maddi Murtaza
      Great to see you stepping up to the plate, Maddi. I know it can be a confusing time especially for newbies at his stage, and what they really need to do is be cognizant of their situation and not just blindly follow advice when it is given, i.e. learn to think for themselves.

      I'd also be open to a 3-month coaching session with anyone who feels like they need it, but of course it'd be under the same terms, and they'd have to be willing to devote at least 2-3 hours on a daily basis at the very minimum. It seems that there are many out there who need this kind of help, and perhaps this might just be the right kind of push needed to get them taking action and experiencing results.

      Paul
      Signature
      >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523585].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
    In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

    If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

    Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

    Chris
    The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!
    I have to admit, some products do fall short when they teach a 'method' in that they don't show the whole 'system' of what makes the method work. Once you can 'see' the 'system' the methods just fall into place as a piece that powers the machine.

    When you see the whole 'system' what you see is a series of channels that produce 'multiple streams of income' which is where the huge numbers come from.

    I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    You know more than you think you know. What you don't know is how to 'process it' it all together as the system yet.

    You know what your skills are. These are 'resources' which can be income producing assets. You may not realize that yet, but you at least know what you can do, which is a far site more than a lot of other people know.

    Those skills, assets and resources, can be leveraged to create the income, and the platforms need to accomplish and leverage even more...

    And that is the 'system.'

    I am not the 'guru' you seek, and God help the person who ever calls me one, but I'm pretty successful, have created and sold many products, built lists, have a very limited amount of success with affiliate email marketing, but I'm learning, and have put together a joint venture mastermind group that has been beneficial to all the members in more ways than I can list here. If you want some guidance, use the info I gave you in that PM. I don't want anything in return, just 'paying it forward' as my own mentor requested when she gave me the same advice.

    -Dani
    Signature
    Easily Recruit JV Partners & Affiliates
    with lifetime commissions
    Lead Money Locker
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523570].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Chris, I understand what you are saying and your willingness to learn, but I don't see anyone at the level you are alluding to helping you out.

    There are tons of people here, and in the big world out there who have spent many years honing their skills in the schools of hard knocks to get to where they are today. What you are asking is to sidestep the kinds of work they have done and go right to the top and it just doesn't work that way.

    I understand when you say the guru types sell a lot of crap through overly-hyped sales pages, but some of them actually do have some very good products. They, just like you, have families to support and bills to pay just as you do.

    Sure, there are many scammers on CB, CJ, and even here on the WF. There is just as much phony hype here in the WSO section as there is on CB or anywhere else. I don't condone it, but it's the nature of the business. Smart buyers can spot that stuff a mile away though.

    If you're serious about developing your skills you can do that without really spending a cent. You say you want a guru-type to train you? Make a list of the top five people you would like to learn from. Think big. Think very big. You can actually reverse engineer what these guys do if you just study them. Anyone can.

    Google up their names. Find their sales pages. Opt in to their lists. Maybe even buy some of their products. Then study their emails. How often do they send them? What are they like? What kinds of products do they promote? What auto-responders are they using? How are they opting in names to their lists?

    If you buy one of their products, carefully examine their traffic flows. Do they have up-sells and OTOs built into their sales funnels? Take screen shots of everything they do in their sales funnel.

    What are they doing on their download pages? Are they promoting their own products there? Are they offering free bonus download products there? Why do you think they do that and whose products are they? How do you think they get their affiliates? Sign up to promote some upcoming product launches. Watch the leader boards and see who the top super-affiliates really are! On their affiliate pages they will often mention the top copywriter they used by name to write their sales copy.

    Look on their sales pages. At the bottom you can often see who designed their sales pages. Check them out. Go to article directories and video hosting sites and search out their names. Often, a lot of the guru types posted some of their best ideas there before they made the big time. Read and watch their stuff.

    Some of the people here on the WF have made more money through this forum than any of the hot-air buffoons and have never run one single WSO selling a product ever. Figure that one out!

    I have done this with a number of guys and found the free stuff they have posted on such platforms discloses as much if not more than you get with their expensive products.

    Chris, I'm not trying to be critical, I'm just suggesting to you and anyone else struggling to get started that you can often reverse engineer the techniques almost any guru-type uses if you are willing to do your homework, put in the time, and study what you learn.

    Like many have said before--don't do what the gurus tell you; Do what they actually do! And what they do can be learned and applied as needed. So finally, the gurus you are looking for to help you are out there. If you're willing to work and study you can actually get exactly what you want from them--and much more just by studying their actions and techniques from afar.

    It isn't rocket science. Don't beg people to share their secrets--just steal them by observing what they do. The education is free. The tuition is just a matter of time.

    Now, I'm not bragging--many people here know a lot more about things than do I, but if you study what I said, let it soak in, and cogitate on it a bit it's worth more than a few thousand dollars worth of those ebooks you've bought that are jamming up your hard drive.

    Final tip: It's not always the people here on the WF or in the big, real world out there who are jack-hammering their jaws about how much money they make who are the most successful. There are a lot of "quite folks" making a killing too. Search them out, shadow them, learn from them and profit.

    There are people here, and some of them have posted above, whom I follow religiously--and I've learned more about making money doing that than from any guru-type Clickbank product being sold.

    Good Luck! --Mike
    Signature

    I'll help you create a reputation-building evergreen product in any niche and launch it successfully!
    Check it out here.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523614].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
      Thanks mike. I agree with you.

      One of the thing I've been doing is signing up on everybody list that I know is contributing to the forum. I'm not signing up to buy things from them, at least not now when I know I only have little to spend.

      I opt-in to see what exactly are their sales letters really look like. It takes time, some of the newsletter I signed up from last month, still send me mail at least 3 days once. But I can save because I don't need to buy the Sales letter Magic anymore. I can simply duplicate mine out of their letters.


      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      If you're serious about developing your skills you can do that without really spending a cent. You say you want a guru-type to train you? Make a list of the top five people you would like to learn from. Think big. Think very big. You can actually reverse engineer what these guys do if you just study them. Anyone can.

      Google up their names. Find their sales pages. Opt in to their lists. Maybe even buy some of their products. Then study their emails. How often do they send them? What are they like? What kinds of products do they promote? What auto-responders are they using? How are they opting in names to their lists?

      If you buy one of their products, carefully examine their traffic flows. Do they have up-sells and OTOs built into their sales funnels? Take screen shots of everything they do in their sales funnel.
      Signature

      Thanks,

      William Prawira

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3526441].message }}
  • {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523687].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Tim_Hawksworth
      Chris,

      You got some very good advice by starting this thread so
      I hope you take it all on
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523739].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Cliff_OBA
        Chris:

        You took some abuse here, most of which I would say was not justified, but you took it on the chin. Let me say that I think the content so far (2 pages) will be useful to many out there. I think there is more then enough feedback so I'll stay away from your initial post.

        Brian: Lots of respect, man. In a 'community', its great to see a veteran step up to create a service for someone in need. Hopefully you get good value for this. And don't throw away that Indentured IM idea too quickly.

        Lots of positive help here. I am not sure why so many had 0 patience for Chris, though. Yes, there are probably 2000+ posts like this as someone claimed, but IM can be frustrating. If everyone had the innate ability to suck it up and make themselves successful, I suspect the IM niche would not be quite so lucrative. Careful what you wish for...
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523787].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
          I don't see anything wrong with requesting coaching, I think the misunderstanding came about when members assumed he wanted it for nothing. Brian offering him an opportunity to learn in return for work is a great way for those who are serious to learn the ropes.

          In fact, while I am here, what the heck, let me give it a go.

          I make a fulltime living from adsense and now I want to expand into other more lucrative methods of making money whether it be affiliate marketing, cpa, list building etc.

          I got free time on my hands, I know the basics of SEO, backlinking, article writing etc etc. I want a serious mentor, and willing to put in work needed.

          Who is up for the challenge? lol

          Better to get it straight from the horses mouth......
          Signature
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3523953].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      Let me make it real easy for you, based on your skills. Go watch this video and do it:

      Want $1 Million Per Month? | Internet Marketing Advice, Internet Business Blog, Work From Home Blog
      This is excellent advice that can be implemented on a shoestring budget (I've viewed this in its entirety twice before - it is that good). While the specific strategy described in the video advocates outsourcing and scaling up massively right off the bat, you could also start off at a more sedate pace if you'd like.
      Signature
      >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524612].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
    Hi Guys,
    I would just like to say thanks again to all of you who have put encouraging and helpful comments on this thread, and I would especially like to thank Brian, Dani and Travis who actually contacted me personally to offer their help. If nothing else this thread will show that there are good people out there who recognise that someone does need help, and are also willing to give that help, a lot more of you than those with the 'screw you and sod off scrounger' attitude. So thank you all for your comments, I will keep re-reading the thread and take note and listen to all the advice given, the info from from Mike is brill, and as 'IM Walkthrough' said the advice given will be invaluable to many newcomers, it has worked for me and I look forward to my journey ahead, watch this space
    Cheers Guys
    Chris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524015].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      ...a lot more of you than those with the 'screw you and sod off scrounger' attitude.
      I don't think that anybody had a "screw you" attitude. I think most of us post answers in a way that is comparable to the question. If the question is serious, you get a serious answer. If it's off the wall, you get an off the wall answer.

      With that being said, I think that most people recognized that you were serious and then answered accordingly. The only screw you attitude that I am seeing is coming from posts like the one you just made.

      Cute baby, by the way.
      Signature
      My New Video Series is Free (for now)
      Crazy good marketing tips from the founder of JVZoo.
      Get EBR 365 Now!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524054].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
    Thanks, thats my little boy Jonah , it would be counter-productive to pick parts and debate them, on the whole this has been a very positive experience, I am looking forward to increasing my knowledge and thank everyone for their input. I'll stop now before I need to create another paragraph
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524082].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
      Banned
      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      Thanks, thats my little boy Jonah , it would be counter-productive to pick parts and debate them, on the whole this has been a very positive experience, I am looking forward to increasing my knowledge and thank everyone for their input. I'll stop now before I need to create another paragraph

      If you want help then ask for it. You didn't ask but issued a challenge. If you can't see the difference then that would be the first place to start your education.

      People get helped on this forum all the time. If you ask "How to make money" then you won't get very good responses.

      If you ask more specific questions to what you are doing then you will get far better responses.

      Trying to manipulate people by issuing challenges won't get you happy responses.

      Pretty simple. You still haven't said what you have done. All you said is you work hard.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524601].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
    In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

    If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

    Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

    Chris
    The METHODS to succeed are NOT secret. They're very well documented here. Your biggest problem is your belief system. You think it's impossible and need someone to prove you wrong.

    Whether you believe it's possible to earn a living doing IM or not, you're right.

    You need to fix your belief before you ask for help.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3524856].message }}
  • I get this all the time. So many people want something for nothing. I have already done it. I have a comfortable 6 figure a month biz. Why should I waste time on something like this? Givers get. Show me why you are worthy and then maybe you'll get some tips.

    I made over $112K my first 7 mos in IM and sell a course that teaches STEP BY STEP how to to it. Think anyone does it? It's sad. But not surprising.
    Signature

    Susan Lassiter-Lyons
    http://www.LassiterMarketing.com
    Have fun. Create value.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3525336].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Anup Mahajan
    Stop chasing gurus, pick a method & start taking action... There, I revealed the Million dollar secret to making lots of $$$ online...

    Would you buy me a beer?
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3526477].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    I think you should refer to the War Room.!

    Many "gurus" have shared their methods there!

    Karan
    Signature
    Penalty Safe, Long Term, 100% Whitehat Backlinks
    Love your site? Then check out SafeSpokes!
    ~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_
    karan996@irchiver.com karan997@irchiver.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3528580].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author IdeasThatExcel
    Ok let me place a real challenge out to all those Gurus.

    Prove to me that you are making all those thousands of dollars you claim by sending me all your daily earnings into my bank account. Those that deposit thousands into my account I will thank on this forum.




    Signature
    Excel Help - Excel Expert Available To Assist You!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3528933].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AzzamS
    OK so the OP has not done bad since the thread came out. A lot of stick, sure, but he kept going.

    That is a sign of determination. He also got a few offers from his challenge, not bad.

    Offered a freebie once he is qualified, nice!

    Not bad collaborative work from the warriors.

    The OP and others should understand that this is how it rolls here on the warrior forum. Plenty of voice and opinion and one single thread could be the changing point of your life

    I think most of the criticism although may seem harsh from the one angle was constructive. All the BS that flies on around in the IM world that can take you into a spiral of wasted money, time and energy can be saved if you come over here and chat to a few genuine people who do not mind indirectly coaching you through replies on posts and PMs.

    You my friend landing a great deal from this thread, I think God termed it 'wisdom', i'll go with 'sound enough advice to get you going'
    Signature
    Download 101 Actions for a Complete Website SEO Technical Audit Sample FREE today and charge clients $$$ with it.
    SEO Case Study: 1.7M Visitors from 27,000 Keywords Click here to read the post .
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529068].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Last time I worked for Brian, I woke up in a Mexican prison wearing only lingerie and a "Brian Is Swell" tattoo.
      Well, at least now he is only doing tatoos in the form of QR codes - so everyone is safe if they stay away from cell phones.
      Signature

      "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529235].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Brian, Sid and all the others that stepped up to the plate for Chris, thanks.

    I had that happen to me more than 5 years ago and I know, I knew less than Chris did. But a fella by the name of Big Mike got hold of me and set me on the right path.

    Big Mike said:

    1. Stop buying every WSO that promises "Money". (Even though some are very good)


    2. Focus on your strengths.


    3. Don't recreate the wheel.


    4. You want my help, what can you bring to the table.


    5. Take Action, Profit, Do It Again.


    6. You will be accountable to your family 1st, yourself 2nd and me 3rd.


    7. Don't lie, tell me when you make a mistake and we will fix it.


    8. Adhere to the deadlines you and I set.


    9. Reach out to others with what you learn.

    10. You and I will review each idea and determine if it is a
    short term or long term business.
    The truly amazing part of this is he and I still have an outstanding relationship, both personal and business. We are in almost daily contact and sometime spend an hour or more just shooting the bull. But we almost always discuss our business every time.

    Once in awhile we will even BBQ a Warrior or 2.

    Take heed folks, if you haven't read every post in this thread, and I can tell quite a few haven't because of their responses, I strongly recommend you do so. There is Gold In This Here Thread.

    Ken Leatherman

    The Old Geezer
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529910].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Skelly
    I feel your pain and while others may be inclined to publicly shame you, I for one can sympathize and recommend checking out www.bradgosse.com and www.internetmarketingcrunch.com for FREE valuable, effective IM info from 2 of the biggest ANTI-Gurus I know. And remember...

    Actions Produce Results!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529970].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by Andrew Skelly View Post

      I feel your pain and while others may be inclined to publicly shame you, I for one can sympathize and recommend checking out www.bradgosse.com and www.internetmarketingcrunch.com for FREE valuable, effective IM info from 2 of the biggest ANTI-Gurus I know. And remember...

      Actions Produce Results!
      Two very good sites that you point out here. Great for any newbies.
      Signature

      Recent domain flips : $8->$1000 Social recruiting Software dot com $8->$2000 MobileSalesSoftware.com
      Invest in domains without the hard work !
      Email for details...Mike McAleer at me dot com

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3529981].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author omk
    Hey Chris,
    That's a great challenge. I think it would work better if you had something to lose too. If you were to agree to go through the I.M. training, follow each step or method exactly and also do a 60/40 split until you paid the guru 1k, 3k or 5k - then it would be a fair challenge.
    When the guru's account reached the agreed upon sum, he would then completely transfer all the accounts into your name or give u 100 percent commission on everything.
    What do you think? Fair or not?

    update - I'm glad u were able to start getting the type of help u were looking for. When I initially read you OP - I thought u just wanted to make some type of big challenge and write it up - not just seeking help and free info.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3530435].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
    Hi Steven,

    Thanks for your comment, I understand where you're coming from, I myself don't have a lot of tolerance for people who won't help themselves and I know firsthand how frustrating this can be, as for me personally I am a firm believer in the old chinese proverb 'give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life', I don't want a fish, I want to learn how to fish, and I am sure Brian will be a fantastic mentor for me.

    I am pretty thick skinned and honestly can take criticism, only a fool would discard negatives and only look at positives, all opinions can be valuable and as I said previously in this case they only increased my determination, so no worries there,

    I know that you are very successful in your chosen area, and I am sure I could learn a lot of valuable stuff from you also, at the same time I would like you to accept that in my case I am very serious about become successful and hopefully my actions in the coming months will go a little way to proving this to you
    Well its now 11pm here in the UK, I have loaded my Ipod up with Brians webinars and I am off to the Gym for some focused training and thinking!

    Thanks again Steven

    Chris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3530962].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

      Well its now 11pm here in the UK, I have loaded my Ipod up with Brians webinars and I am off to the Gym for some focused training and thinking!
      Bro, the gym at 11 pm? And you've a kid on top of that? My hat is off to ya.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3531074].message }}
  • Howdy there young fellar! You went and called out for a guru and lo and behold... HERE I BE!

    Now then, I can shore understand yore frustration but there is one problem with yore question and it is...

    what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work,
    See, I knowed this fellar what is one of them accounting gurus. He's all edumucated up and he's a rite smart fellar! Now what if I was to walk into his office and tell him, "Lookie here now Mr. Accountant Guru, I want you to be provin to me that there accountin really works! Iffin you can prove it to me, I will believe you but if you DON'T prove it to me, I shore ain't gonna believe you!" Do you see the problem there? See, he KNOWS accountin works! Why should he be provin it to anyone?

    I'd be willin to bet a swaller a shine that yore problem lies more with INACTIVITY than CREATIVITY! If you were to take one a them there ebooks you bought, put it all into action and then stick to it like Jedidiah Urkey's drawers stick to the wall, I shore reckon you will have all the success was wantin'!

    Lot's a folks cain't believe that they will actually make money on the interneet so they have lost fore they even begin. They just don't put forth the effort cause they figger there's just no use! Yore interneet success is determined a LONG time fore you ever get on the interneet. It's determined by the filter of yore past raisin an how you let it determine your present prospects!

    I have a friend who owns a super large business an his name is Phil Knight. Ole Phil has this here logo what says, "Just DOO It!" See he owns a fertilizer company an he is up to his elbows in doo all the dadburn day long!

    So, young fellar, just let me be sayin to you, "JUST DOO IT!"
    Signature
    Thaddaeus T. Hogg, The Hillbilly Marketeer
    http://www.hillbillymarketer.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3531209].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mahal788
      LOL ROFL and LMAO at the quote below.
      Anyways, I saw Brian took you up on your challenge. That's amazing someone accepting your challenge is already proof to me that some systems do work.
      And I hope to read about your progress soon. Please keep us posted! Best of luck!
      Originally Posted by Thaddaeus T. Hogg View Post

      Howdy there young fellar! You went and called out for a guru and lo and behold... HERE I BE!

      Now then, I can shore understand yore frustration but there is one problem with yore question and it is...

      See, I knowed this fellar what is one of them accounting gurus. He's all edumucated up and he's a rite smart fellar! Now what if I was to walk into his office and tell him, "Lookie here now Mr. Accountant Guru, I want you to be provin to me that there accountin really works! Iffin you can prove it to me, I will believe you but if you DON'T prove it to me, I shore ain't gonna believe you!" Do you see the problem there? See, he KNOWS accountin works! Why should he be provin it to anyone?

      I'd be willin to bet a swaller a shine that yore problem lies more with INACTIVITY than CREATIVITY! If you were to take one a them there ebooks you bought, put it all into action and then stick to it like Jedidiah Urkey's drawers stick to the wall, I shore reckon you will have all the success was wantin'!

      Lot's a folks cain't believe that they will actually make money on the interneet so they have lost fore they even begin. They just don't put forth the effort cause they figger there's just no use! Yore interneet success is determined a LONG time fore you ever get on the interneet. It's determined by the filter of yore past raisin an how you let it determine your present prospects!

      I have a friend who owns a super large business an his name is Phil Knight. Ole Phil has this here logo what says, "Just DOO It!" See he owns a fertilizer company an he is up to his elbows in doo all the dadburn day long!

      So, young fellar, just let me be sayin to you, "JUST DOO IT!"
      Signature

      Success is the sum of small efforts, repeated day in and day out.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565775].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author casey09
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3532152].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Thaddaeus T. Hogg View Post

      Howdy there young fellar! You went and called out for a guru and lo and behold... HERE I BE!"
      I really need to book you on a Wednesday some time.

      I can clearly hear your accent - and that alone will carry the show.

      lol
      Signature

      "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3532173].message }}
      • Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        I really need to book you on a Wednesday some time.
        Howdy Jill, I shore didn't be knowin you was with the law enforcement folks. You cain't book me for nuthin cause I was out a town when that shine was found an I didn't have nuthin to do with it an I SHORE ain't gonna squeal on my friends. No ma'am, you can be torturin me all you want but I ain't no squealer... you might check on John Schwartz cause he's always hidin sumthin!
        Signature
        Thaddaeus T. Hogg, The Hillbilly Marketeer
        http://www.hillbillymarketer.com
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3536613].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Ok...buy me a $100 lunch somewhere and I'll tell you everything you need to know to make 5 figures a month. Then you would be set for life right? The chasm that lies between knowing how to do something and actually doing it is a billion light years wide. I suspect that's where you find yourself at the moment. But writing a post like this is not going to get you across man. There is only one thing that will and that is through hard work, by not whining about your setbacks, and by becoming the most persistent sonbitch around. You accomplish those three things you'll be absolutely amazed at the difference it will make in your bank account.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3532218].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mahal788
    Wow, you opened up a can of worms on this thread.
    I think you just want to find a system that works. But I don't think anyone is going to take your challenge.
    I'm very new to IM so I don't expect you to listen to me. But I believe that if you pick just one thing and never give up on it, it will work for you.
    It will take hard work, money (more than $200) and time (maybe months or years) but HARD WORK ALWAYS PAYS OFF.
    You don't need a guru to fulfill your dreams of working at home & spending more time with your kids. You can do it yourself if you educate yourself thoroughly and never give up. Plus, The Warrior Forum is literally packed with lots of info and free resources to help you. Especially the War Room.
    I wish you the best of luck I hope you achieve your dream because it is the same as mine - I want to always be there for my son.
    Signature

    Success is the sum of small efforts, repeated day in and day out.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565636].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    [EDIT]: Just saw the OP's response above, after I posted this but decided to leave it up as it may be a useful dose of reality for other newbies that may be struggling to find a beginning.

    Okay it's been exactly a week since you posted this "Challenge". What have you done for the past week? There were a few ideas on here that pointed you in the right direction so my "Challenge" to you is answering to everyone who took the time to post in this thread what exactly have you done over the course of the week?

    a) Sat idly by because you didn't like anything you read so far
    b) Still waiting for answers
    c) Too busy to start until I have someone kicking my ass
    d) All of the above

    Dude, I feel for you but sooner or later you're going to have to jump off the fence and start something... anything. Just do one little thing and stick to it until it works. Tweak it, adjust it, change it until it works for you and then build upon that.

    Start with a clean slate and just begin. The mistakes you'll make, well no one can teach those lessons and those are the ones that are invaluable that will certainly help you get over obstacles in the future. It's called growth so you may as well start now and get the mistakes out of the way before you reach success.

    So my advice to you is "Start screwing up and do it big time" start with the free to-do stuff and once you get a handle on that keep moving forward.

    PS. The more times you screw up the better your success story will be in the end
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3565835].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
    Hi chris

    hope all is well. I'd very happy to help you even I just started Internet Marketing last month but I feel that I choose the right guru so I can see decent penny grow from my website. Not so much but I know if I keep doing I can multiple my profit.

    I will share what I've got for free.

    Just prepare your hosting and I will help you out.
    Don't worry every penny you got from website its yours.

    Just add my skype and I'll try tell you what works for me.
    Signature
    BisnisOnlineZ - Indonesian Make Money Online Blog


    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3566630].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author social joe
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!
    Hey Chris, you made it!

    Your like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix movies where he suddenly realises that what he believed to be the real world was all a fake! Your right, a lot of Guru's make a lot of money by making BIG promises to newbies. Plus, unfortunatley and (with the greatest respect to this fantastic forum and its heroic members) if you take a look around you will see a number of claims just as bold here too.

    The truth is a little more reassuring though: There is money to be made online and offline using your internet marketing skills. What it takes is originality, creativity and some sound business acumen. Identify a target market and create a product or service around fulfilling a need. Its not going to happen overnight though, it takes time, planning and great execution.

    The GURU's have identified a niave market of people (We have all been there right!) and appeal to their human instincts. We all want things right now with the least amount of effort expelled!

    So the Guru's tell us "Earn 10k a week within a month with zero experience..."
    Signature

    Happy to be amongst like minded warriors!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3566702].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    Hi there,

    I have been kicking around for a while now, and trying different products for sale etc etc, the same I am sure as many other people who are new to Internet Marketing, spending lots of money trying out BS products, that at the end of the day just dangle a big fat carrot for all us donkeys! The promise of $15k a month from whichever 'secret' method that promises the earth, I have concluded that the IM gurus make all their money from the newbies to internet marketing and not from actually carrying out the methods they claim make them these outstanding fortunes...I would like someone to prove me wrong!

    THE CHALLENGE...

    I'd like one of you successful Internet Marketers to prove me totally wrong, I am a blank slate ready to be molded, I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200.
    Who out of you would be willing to take me and teach me how to make a good living making money from products, listbuilding, video marketing or whatever other means you specialise in, but NOT making money from other IM newbies by selling an impossible dream and fake earnings screenshots. It has to be methods you claim work, instead of the carrot give me the meat of it.
    In return I will document every step of the way in a blog, and possibly on the warrior forum itself, of course the actual methods used will not be identified in great depth to protect the way you work, what I am looking for here is actual proof for myself and other ppl that these methods really do work, this would also be of benefit to you as your credibility will increase drastically if the training you are selling to other newcomers actually does exactly what it says on the tin.

    If you are interested in taking me up on the challenge please PM me and we can get started asap.

    Lets see how many of step up to the Challenge...

    Chris
    Dude, its clear even from the way you're writing that you're overcomplicating this stuff way too much.

    Stop all this talk about methods.. Its just selling. Different ways of selling. That's how money is made.

    You put a page that sells something compelling, then send traffic to that page.

    Yes there are different methods of sending traffic.

    And there are different methods of selling on the page.

    But asking whether the methods work is like asking whether sales occur over the phone.

    Or face to face sales really work

    Or people buy things from websites.

    Yes, they do.

    Stop being a chump, and just sell something.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3567619].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by daedalus1 View Post

      Dude, its clear even from the way you're writing that you're overcomplicating this stuff way too much.

      Stop all this talk about methods.. Its just selling. Different ways of selling. That's how money is made.

      You put a page that sells something compelling, then send traffic to that page.

      Yes there are different methods of sending traffic.

      And there are different methods of selling on the page.

      But asking whether the methods work is like asking whether sales occur over the phone.

      Or face to face sales really work

      Or people buy things from websites.

      Yes, they do.

      Stop being a chump, and just sell something.
      It's funny how newbies keep questioning whether this or that will work, and allow their minds to prevent them from taking any action as a result.

      You'll never know if it works unless you do it, trying to speculate and theorize will never get you anywhere, and you'll probably spend more time and effort thinking and wondering about it than you would doing it!

      As the commercial says, just do it. Don't overthink anything, in this case you start doing and then ask questions later. Fail fast and reach success faster - I know that it sounds counterintuitive, but if you do this consistently you'll actually attain success much more rapidly.
      Signature
      >>> Features Jason Fladlien, John S. Rhodes, Justin Brooke, Sean I. Mitchell, Reed Floren and Brad Gosse! <<<
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3567645].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Carol_A
    Wow, it takes all kinds to make the world go around.

    True audacity!

    I've been at it for almost 4 months and started with a completely different mindset.

    Guess what?

    Because I took responsibility and didn't expect a hand out and actually started GIVING to other newbies that were less experienced than me, ...I was blessed by a guru taking interest in me, giving me personal tips and help on a certain facet of this business JUST BECAUSE!

    I was shocked but so very thankful I took responsibility and started giving FIRST....then the help came to me.

    Sow/Reap

    period
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3569119].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Happy_Balance
    ^^
    Nice reminder Carol, thanks
    Signature

    Every Day Is Fun! :)

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3569488].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mizesean
    Chris, There is no real secret to making money online. You must create a product that people are willing to buy, and sell it to them. Here's my formula: find a niche that is competitive (that means there are lots of buyers) and create a squeeze page so you can build a list. Then drive traffic to the squeeze page, building a list. Build a relationship with those subscribers. Ask them what they need help with. Then create a product that helps them with that need. Then sell it to them. I've done this with multiple products, that is what I see most other gurus doing, try it -
    Signature
    Have you thought about starting a group coaching program, but don't know how?

    If so, Watch This YouTube Video: Group Coaching Program


    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3569569].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author NikkiDelgado
    If I were you take the 30 day challenge. This teaches you the basics of internet marketing and gives you all the basic tools to make your first $$$ online in just 30 days.
    I followed it when I was first getting started and it gave me a really good ground work. Once I discovered other things I was able to put my basic knowledege to use and develop my own stratagies and make money doing things I really enjoyed.

    You can do the challenge and register for free here:

    The Challenge
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3569666].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Davy44
    Originally Posted by ergosum View Post

    ... I am a fairly intelligent guy who picks stuff up pretty quickly, and I have a little knowledge of SEO, video creation, ppc and building a basic wordpress site, and a budget of $200. Chris
    I go about this IM thing the old fashion way. IM = Internet Marketing, right? Ask your yourself this question: What am I marketing? Is it something real or made up by someone? Is it what I would want to spend my money on?

    I have the same advice for anyone in your situation. Here it is. Find something you are good at. Make it the theme of your website. Build quality content around it. Promote your website. Want proof? Proof it yourself. This formula works 100% of the time. It may take some time for you to achieve success but you will be successful. Period!

    It is unfortunate that some people are making a bucket load of money online selling garage and doing nothing of substance. But, that's the way it is. It is so because there are a lot of people who have latched on to this idea that they can make money online overnight literally, so they are willing to do anything including spending money on ideas that don't worth a minute of attention. By the time they realize their mistakes, they have spent all their resources on "snake oil" with nothing to show for it.

    So, you know enough about how the Internet works to be successful. Just find a theme to build real website around and then promote it any way you can. Give yourself time; it takes time to achieve success. It REALLY does!
    Signature
    PAYDAY LOANS- cash on demand!
    PAYDAY LENDERS You can trust!
    CHECK LOANS for unexpected expenses
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3654780].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    I'm still laughing. SEO Guru, for free. Who ever you find, askem if they're not too busy if they could pop their head in on me.

    I just started out, I paid for a little help, then i've learnt the bit(s) I'm now using.

    As has been said, the answer is in here. Lots of different answers in fact, they all work, you just have to actually follow through all the way.

    I am proof. Well ,I think I am.

    Amazon - I've setup 3 sites using wordpress, all have made at least 1 sale, 1 has made many more than 1.

    I have clickbank products on some pages, and have made 1 sale. (Yipee 1st Sale)

    I have adsense on all pages, I have made some from that too.
    I've built a referral site, and advertised it.

    Not loads, but it's just 1 month, and I can see it going up already.

    I am also about to start a web directory.

    I've spent at most $150 dollars, 50/50 on Domains and paid links.
    I will keep on pushing.

    I've taken almost as much in the above sites.

    If I can do it, YOU can do it.
    Signature
    The Best Organic Traffic Solutions.
    For yours, take the next step: Visit Safeserps
    .
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3655165].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hi Chris,
    I have now read through 3 pages.Whew what a lot of responses.
    You have made a very wise decision Brian is one heck of a guy he won't bs you he won't pussyfoot around and he will teach exactly what you need to do. You better not waste his time at all. Dude is super busy and has a big heart so I am saying it be serious and do what he says and you will get more than you could imagine out of it.
    Some of you I know yes it becomes a little monotonous hearing things but you know what sometimes people are so darn frustrated they need some encouragement that they can do this.

    Brian, This is exactly why I like you and am very proud to call you friend.
    I would be willing to contribute as well when he is done 50.00 cash and a copy of every product I have out at that time. I also would be willing to help you in any way I could.
    You made my day seeing this Mac.thank you!
    -Will
    Signature

    "As a man thinks in his heart so is he-Proverbs 23:7"
    Coming Soon http://graphicsdon.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3655678].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    So - what happened with this? Full of hot air or did he take the bull by the horns?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4239898].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Shaw
    Hi Guys,

    I have had a few messages recently regarding the offer from Brian etc..I'll start by saying my wife gave birth to a beautiful little boy this morning, we have named him Noah, which means I am a bit busy today

    I will however say that the last four months have been a HUGE learning curve, and a bit of a rollercoaster ride, regarding my work with Brian he is an extremely busy guy so we haven't actually took the bull by the horns and sunk our teeth in at the minute, but we do have plans to work on a fantastic project together which will be happening soon, and to be honest I reckon it will blow your socks off! the idea is that good!

    I'll add that Brian has given me some amazing advice to get going with my own stuff, he's an extremely cool guy who definitely knows his stuff..

    I'll put in a more detailed report at some point this week on some of the different things I have been trying and the successes I have had, plus of course in the spirit of the warrior forum I have an awesome free report that I will be giving away to my fellow warriors...watch this space

    Best
    Chris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4240697].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
      Congratulations on your new family member, and on taking action. You are already ahead of most people that say they want to earn a living this way.


      Originally Posted by Chris Shaw View Post

      Hi Guys,

      I have had a few messages recently regarding the offer from Brian etc..I'll start by saying my wife gave birth to a beautiful little boy this morning, we have named him Noah, which means I am a bit busy today

      I will however say that the last four months have been a HUGE learning curve, and a bit of a rollercoaster ride, regarding my work with Brian he is an extremely busy guy so we haven't actually took the bull by the horns and sunk our teeth in at the minute, but we do have plans to work on a fantastic project together which will be happening soon, and to be honest I reckon it will blow your socks off! the idea is that good!

      I'll add that Brian has given me some amazing advice to get going with my own stuff, he's an extremely cool guy who definitely knows his stuff..

      I'll put in a more detailed report at some point this week on some of the different things I have been trying and the successes I have had, plus of course in the spirit of the warrior forum I have an awesome free report that I will be giving away to my fellow warriors...watch this space

      Best
      Chris
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4241105].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
        Congrats on the baby and finding a "mentor", anyway I'm going to offer up some advice for yourself and others that are reading this thread.

        First, I don't know why a lot of you get caught up in buying product after product, all you need to buy in this business are the tools that help make your business a little more productive. And you buy them as you go, don't be racking up the credit cards and then months later be asking yourself, "WHY am I still broke or whatever?"

        Make some money and invest in what you can afford to spend on such and such gizmo. Buying products is like gambling, if you can't afford to lose money, don't gamble - because a lot of stuff out there, is just one big crap shoot.

        I make pretty decent money and you want to know what I've spent so far this year on work related items? Probably under $1,000, bought a few wordpress theme's, some domains, a few graphics/logo's/headers and outsourced a bit of work, that's it.

        At the end of the day, your success is not based on a guru's advice or anything, it's YOUR desire to invoke change in your life. A product is a stepping stone to that change, nothing more than that and if you don't see it as being such, then you're in the wrong business.
        Signature

        Need FRESH PLR? Limited PLR sales, ALWAYS Fresh!
        http://provenprofitsplr.com

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4241554].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    You mean I get to coach you for free and I don't have to charge you my usual $500-$1000 monthly rate, AND I will spend the whole time convincing you of the right thing to do because of your skepticism? Wow awesome deal! Where do I sign up?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[4243214].message }}

Trending Topics