Is Anyone Out There... Getting Rich Slowly?

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What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

*smiles*
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  • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
    I don't have a fleshed-out plan yet, because I'm still in the "try a bunch of stuff and see what works" stage - but I do have a goal.

    My daughter is 2, and by the time she's 7, I want to be working online full-time, not be "trading my time for money", and be able to travel with my family and homeschool her and the other children my wife and I are planning.
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  • All my businesses are long-term. For example, I do expect my Amazon sites to go for the long-term, but these sites wouldn't be seen as business from the eyes of an outsider.

    On the other-hand, these websites are helping me collect enough money to execute some great business plans that could be perceived as a real business from an outsider standpoint.

    The difference between the 2 is: my Amazon Sites don't have the ability to hit the 6 or 7 figure mark on their own (singular sites), the latter has... But it also costs a lot more and involve higher risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Is there any other way other than the "throw crap up against the wall and go with what sticks, crap, this is gonna take forever and I'm gonna have to work for years without taking a break?"

    Cuz if there is:

    1. I got screwed making millions the hard way
    2. I want all that time back
    3. Everyone would be rich
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Is there any other way other than the "throw crap up against the wall and go with what sticks, crap, this is gonna take forever and I'm gonna have to work for years without taking a break?"

      Cuz if there is:

      1. I got screwed making millions the hard way
      2. I want all that time back
      3. Everyone would be rich
      I think that there are many ways to make millions but in rare cases does it take absolutely no work at all.
      You must work to achieve this level of success. It is not about the time worked but about the quality of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author steveo
    Just short term freelance work here, imo it's great to start and build up experience with freelance work then move onto technical web development. What do you guys think yea?
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  • Profile picture of the author nerrutis
    Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

    I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

    *smiles*
    Getting rich long way is not interesting at all at our times, as times changes so fast, what you have to do is to grab new ideas coming - one of a examples -mobile marketing - its just a beginning now, sites like w.w.w.mobilabs.net or similar... Long business models our days... void.. Thanks@
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  • Profile picture of the author robinincarolina
    I suppose I am doing it the slow way. I pay my bills now doing affiliate marketing, but things seem to be changing fast and I am always having to learn new things to keep up.

    At the moment I can't even seem to post a new topic here as I am technically challenged to say the least. If anyone would be so kind to pm me how, I would really appreciate it. I have a lot of questions and you all are so great.
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      I'm making a lot of short term money but I think by the time it fizzles out, I'll have something else to move onto. Seems like what I've been doing since 1999 and it's worked so far.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
        I have a 9-5 job and currently spend about 2-3 hours a night on IM. My current focus is working as an amazon affiliate. I want to get a solid system in place and prove to myself that it works, then scale it up via outsourcing.

        I aim to earn enough to quit the 9-5 within 3 years. While I'd love to start seeing results, money isn't really a problem for me at this stage and I'm happy to put in the hard work without it for now.
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        • Profile picture of the author DudleyDog
          Originally Posted by MalceskiFan View Post

          I have a 9-5 job and currently spend about 2-3 hours a night on IM. My current focus is working as an amazon affiliate. I want to get a solid system in place and prove to myself that it works, then scale it up via outsourcing.

          I aim to earn enough to quit the 9-5 within 3 years. While I'd love to start seeing results, money isn't really a problem for me at this stage and I'm happy to put in the hard work without it for now.
          With a little investment and hard work it's possible to give up the 9-5 a lot quicker. It worked for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author AMCeralvo
      Hey Robin,
      I might be on the same wavelength as you. I have invested in my own home business, but happen to be an affiliate for several companies. There is one company that you might find interest in, it has an amazing product and a revolutionary business model. If you were to join today, in 24 months or less you would achieve a retirement income, no joke. I absolutely love it, and can't wait to see where I am in 24 months. I hope you see the same brilliance and potential.

      Check it out here: EasyAsOne2Four.com

      Take care,
      Anne Marie
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    I have to say that I always try hard to stay ahead of the trends, so my businesses evolve over time. Money follows opportunity

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  • Profile picture of the author grahos
    I have tried almost everything,yep,been scammed (lost count)
    I have tried shares forex etc,wow is there some scammers in that lot,even the ones that charge like a bull.
    I am making some out of these in my website tho.
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    • Profile picture of the author pramjakhar
      hey
      yes dude i am getting reach slowley
      if you want than join a a good money making plan
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    There are very nice days when I make a lot of money and I feel that I'm helping the world. When I make many sales I feel somehow superior. However, I also have many days without any sales…

    I’m trying to speed up the process. My field is the most complicated one: mental health. I’m trying to also use my writing talents, but everything takes time… When I sell my ebooks this is wonderful because they are ready and everything works automatically. However, when I sell my articles I have to be a content producer and write for a long period of time. I always work slowly because I’m perfectionist. I really have to speed up… I can’t say that I’m getting rich. I’m simply surviving.
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    • Profile picture of the author jgant
      The fact a website can earn in the long term attracted me to IM. I love the fact I can leverage a website for years and earn from past efforts.

      I'm definitely guilty of being overly optimistic a year ago about making more money faster, but I'm now recognizing it takes a while to build an online brand and business. I'm good with that and in fact love it.

      I don't have a set number of years plan, but I view each site I focus on with a long-term perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnneE
    Hi, I've heard of 365 Days of Startups -- hadn't checked out "Everything" yet (to anyone else reading - the link is in Poster's signature)

    To go back to your question though, YES. While I wouldn't object to becoming an overnight success and I don't have "grow slowly" as part of the business motto, still my primary goal is to build a business.

    I know my signature links show about 49 different niches (been known to exaggerate), most of those produce a few dollars of residual income trickling in. But the business:

    Easy Way to Learn Spanish: Learn Spanish Audio CD: No-Work Spanish ia an on and offline business dedicated to helping people from different cultures connect by making it fun and easy to learn a second language.

    I gave up on getting rich quickly. It wasn't happening for me for a number of reasons, the biggest one being that I was unenthusiastic about many of the products that have the highest affiliate marketing payoff. And i was unenthusiastic about a lot of the recommended IM tactics -- creating products in 24 hours... and well, no point going down that path.

    Again, my answer to your quesiton is Yes. PM me if you want to discuss more, as I don't want to sound like I'm preaching about the path I took.
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    • Profile picture of the author 365Daysof
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      The difference between the 2 is: my Amazon Sites don't have the ability to hit the 6 or 7 figure mark on their own (singular sites), the latter has... But it also costs a lot more and involve higher risk.
      Jason, this I can relate to. I work freelance and do web development right now,a s I'm building the corporate and technical structure for my long-term plan, focusing on my partners' success first - a big risk.

      *smiles*

      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Is there any other way other than the "throw crap up against the wall and go with what sticks, crap, this is gonna take forever and I'm gonna have to work for years without taking a break?"

      Cuz if there is:

      1. I got screwed making millions the hard way
      2. I want all that time back
      3. Everyone would be rich
      LMAO! I like you. *grins*

      Mostly, I'm trying to find those that think like me. It's not that sometimes I don't think that perhaps I'm missing something... I just prefer the long view.

      Originally Posted by steveo View Post

      Just short term freelance work here, imo it's great to start and build up experience with freelance work then move onto technical web development. What do you guys think yea?
      I would say why wait? Do both at the same time. Freelance for clients while you build something for yourself.

      That's what I'm doing, end it's endlessly challenging.

      *smiles*

      Originally Posted by nerrutis View Post

      Getting rich long way is not interesting at all at our times, as times changes so fast, what you have to do is to grab new ideas coming - one of a examples -mobile marketing - its just a beginning now, sites like w.w.w.mobilabs.net or similar... Long business models our days... void.. Thanks@
      Hmmm. I have to disagree. I find the long way of getting rich interesting. Fascinating, even. I like the idea of building something that will last for years.

      The way i see it, I'd rather have Amazon.com over a mobile site I can create in 2 months.

      That's extreme granted. It does show my perspective, though.

      Originally Posted by robinincarolina View Post

      I suppose I am doing it the slow way. I pay my bills now doing affiliate marketing, but things seem to be changing fast and I am always having to learn new things to keep up.
      Yeah, that's what I'm not cut out for! You've got more stones than me. *smiles*

      At the moment I can't even seem to post a new topic here as I am technically challenged to say the least. If anyone would be so kind to pm me how, I would really appreciate it. I have a lot of questions and you all are so great.
      I sent you a PM about your forums issue. I'm happy to help with your posting as well.

      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      I'm making a lot of short term money but I think by the time it fizzles out, I'll have something else to move onto. Seems like what I've been doing since 1999 and it's worked so far.
      *nods* We all have our own methods.

      You've obviously been at it for a long time. Kudos for longevity! I stated making money online in 1996...

      Originally Posted by MalceskiFan View Post

      I aim to earn enough to quit the 9-5 within 3 years. While I'd love to start seeing results, money isn't really a problem for me at this stage and I'm happy to put in the hard work without it for now.
      My point as well, although I do sometimes scramble for money freelancing... I had a contract client suddenly stop paying my bills, because they just ran out of money.

      *shrugs*

      Good thing I hadn't stopped taking all other clients.

      That's part of the challenge for me, though.

      Originally Posted by alcymart View Post

      I have to say that I always try hard to stay ahead of the trends, so my businesses evolve over time. Money follows opportunity
      Oh, I agree. My first online business lasted just over ten years. While the core stayed the same, technology and how I used it changed quite a bit.

      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      I’m trying to speed up the process. My field is the most complicated one: mental health. I’m trying to also use my writing talents, but everything takes time… When I sell my ebooks this is wonderful because they are ready and everything works automatically. However, when I sell my articles I have to be a content producer and write for a long period of time. I always work slowly because I’m perfectionist. I really have to speed up… I can’t say that I’m getting rich. I’m simply surviving.
      How long have you been at it? I find mental health fascinating, and have been working with a therapy group that does promotions and online education for therapists.

      Fascinating stuff.

      Originally Posted by jgant View Post

      I don't have a set number of years plan, but I view each site I focus on with a long-term perspective.
      *nods* I'm the same. I don't limit myself to set years or even specific goals (my brain doesn't work that way), but I do look forward for years. It's important for me to have that long view for the effort I put in.


      Originally Posted by AnneE View Post

      Hi, I've heard of 365 Days of Startups -- hadn't checked out "Everything" yet (to anyone else reading - the link is in Poster's signature)
      Everything is really just the hub, or the "Mother Ship" behind all of my partner sites. It explains what we do, and why. Not thrilling, unless you're looking for that. The sites themselves are FAR more fascinating, LOL!

      Easy Way to Learn Spanish: Learn Spanish Audio CD: No-Work Spanish is an on and offline business dedicated to helping people from different cultures connect by making it fun and easy to learn a second language.
      VERY cool! I studied Frencha nd Russian myself. Miss it. I just love language and the phychology it represents.

      I gave up on getting rich quickly. It wasn't happening for me for a number of reasons, the biggest one being that I was unenthusiastic about many of the products that have the highest affiliate marketing payoff. And i was unenthusiastic about a lot of the recommended IM tactics -- creating products in 24 hours... and well, no point going down that path.

      Again, my answer to your quesiton is Yes. PM me if you want to discuss more, as I don't want to sound like I'm preaching about the path I took.
      No worries about preaching! I'll PM ya. *smiles*

      Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

      I haven't read all the posts (in a rush, sorry if a double someone else's post), however I wouldn't plan online for 10 years in advance.
      I say this simple because I think the online world changes so rapidly, and your plans my get thrown out the window in a years time...
      I understand what you are saying, and agree with the letter of your post, but disagree with the spirit.

      I see no reason not to plan for 10 years, although I certainly wouldn't stick to that path like a stamp to a letter.

      I view it like creating a business plan. You never know what is going to happen, but it better to plan for success, and long-term than to simply do whatever strikes me as right on a given day.

      That is what has worked for me for the past 15+ years. I'll be sticking with it for now.

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Ten?

      How about forty?
      I've seen your posts elsewhere in the forum. I've already decided I like you. *nods*

      The plan as originally written in 1990:

      1995 - $25k income
      2000 - $50k income
      2005 - $100k income
      2010 - $250k income
      2015 - $250k passive income
      2020 - $1M net worth
      2025 - $2M liquid assets
      2030 - $10M net worth

      I missed my 2010 goal, but I'm still focused on making the 2015 goal. The methods of getting to the next goal may change, but the goals themselves are still the same.
      I started in 1995, made $200k - $250k/year starting in 2002, got breast cancer and divorced, left my business in 2007...

      Starting over. But I get you. The great thing is, all of the fundamentals I learned then work now. The technology is different, but the underlying psychology is the same (so it seems to me so far).

      I re-evaluate my methods every year. If I'm not moving fast enough toward the next goal, I adjust my path - sometimes dramatically. In 1995, I was working in IT; in 2000, I was a software developer; in 2005, I was a software project manager; in 2010, I was full-time IM.

      I'm currently creating my own products and focusing on moving into the "expert" circuit, so I can start coaching and speaking and hosting seminars in the next year or two. I expect to hit my 2030 goal about ten years earlier, provided I actually get what I've got in the works done.
      I'd love to chat more with you. Perhaps we can pick each other's brains, and find ways to assist.

      *smiles*

      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      My plan in a nutshell

      ...snip...

      I guess I'm getting rich slowly. We'll see how Part Two plays out in a couple of months.

      So, you're all expected to take part in making me rich buy purchasing my product when it's released
      Looking forward to it. Is it related to WP? I have an opportunity for a WP genius right now...

      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      Thats what im all about

      Long term success. Business success.
      Nice ta meetcha! *smiles*

      Originally Posted by apples2011 View Post

      long term success is possible but imo IM will get more and more "tough".

      Less people clicking on adds for ppc + more back-links needed to rank well for new sites.

      I think having your own product or trying to make a major website is the best way long term.
      I agree. I still believe that IM means "Internet Marketing," not "Instant Monetization," and therefore anyone with an internet presence, especially those who have created their own products (I created over 100 of them in ten years, that i sold over and over) should have an interest in.

      I am finding and noting those here who think more like myself, and looking to connect with planners and schemers, rather than flash-in-the-pans.

      Thanks to all of you who have responded so far. I hope more will jump in and enjoy the party!
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

        Mostly, I'm trying to find those that think like me.
        On some level, that's what we're all doing. It's the perpetual quest of humanity.

        I had a contract client suddenly stop paying my bills, because they just ran out of money.
        I realised last year that I just plain hate having clients.

        I don't hate the clients themselves; the overwhelming majority of my clients are fantastic people, and often actual friends. I just hate being accountable to some other person for my work deliverables.

        I've seen your posts elsewhere in the forum. I've already decided I like you.
        Well, at least I'm still visible to the new members. Sometimes I worry I don't make enough noise here... that my audience has plateaued, and will inevitably begin shrinking if I don't find new ways to grow it.

        I started in 1995, made $200k - $250k/year starting in 2002, got breast cancer and divorced, left my business in 2007...
        I've had several short bursts of massive success. In 1999 and 2000, I was doing Y2K work for banks and financial institutions, so by mid-2000 I had a bank balance in the half million dollar range simply because I'd been so busy I didn't have time to spend it.

        Around 2003, I had built up a contract software business that was turning over $1.7 million a year, but by mid-2004 I had completely destroyed it by essentially not knowing how to turn a small business into a medium business. I still think that's a massive issue in American culture; we don't have a good "medium business" roadmap, and neither small business nor large business techniques work well with medium businesses.

        The great thing is, all of the fundamentals I learned then work now. The technology is different, but the underlying psychology is the same (so it seems to me so far).
        There's a reason copywriters still read Claude C. Hopkins - over a century later, he's still right.

        I'd love to chat more with you. Perhaps we can pick each other's brains, and find ways to assist.
        You can often find me on http://TalkMarketingNow.com/tmn/ where I host four shows and attend several others hosted by friends. There's a list of about eight or nine communities you'll find in common among most of the hosts and high-profile audience members, including the Warrior Forum... and I don't think that's a coincidence.

        looking to connect with planners and schemers, rather than flash-in-the-pans.
        The ironic thing is that by only connecting with planners and schemers, you're only connecting with older IMers. The younger generation can't see the long run, not because they don't care or aren't smart enough, but because on some level ten years is incomprehensible to them.

        To someone 20 years old, ten years is half his life. Half his life ago, he was playing with action figures in the dirt. He doesn't even recognise that as the same person, and naturally enough assumes his 30-year-old self will be equally as unrecogniseable.

        And the danger is that when you ignore these people, you ignore some of the freshest and smartest ideas in the industry. I don't think the industry has ever been turned on its ear by a forty-year-old like me. All the truly disruptive, game-changing ideas I've seen came from someone in his teens or twenties.
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  • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
    I haven't read all the posts (in a rush, sorry if a double someone else's post), however I wouldn't plan online for 10 years in advance.
    I say this simple because I think the online world changes so rapidly, and your plans my get thrown out the window in a years time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Keepinitreal
    I own a couple businesses at physical locations. I recently became friends with a successful IM and he opened up my eyes to the potentials of IM. I have been on WF and a few other sites trying to absorb as much info as possible, or at the very least learn the fundamentals/tools of IM. I am still relatively new and hope to make IM a ft career. If any one can link me to helpful resources, it would be greatly appreciated!! (please no "learn how to make $2,303,823 in 5mins" links)
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?
    Ten?

    How about forty?

    The plan as originally written in 1990:

    1995 - $25k income
    2000 - $50k income
    2005 - $100k income
    2010 - $250k income
    2015 - $250k passive income
    2020 - $1M net worth
    2025 - $2M liquid assets
    2030 - $10M net worth

    I missed my 2010 goal, but I'm still focused on making the 2015 goal. The methods of getting to the next goal may change, but the goals themselves are still the same.

    I re-evaluate my methods every year. If I'm not moving fast enough toward the next goal, I adjust my path - sometimes dramatically. In 1995, I was working in IT; in 2000, I was a software developer; in 2005, I was a software project manager; in 2010, I was full-time IM.

    I'm currently creating my own products and focusing on moving into the "expert" circuit, so I can start coaching and speaking and hosting seminars in the next year or two. I expect to hit my 2030 goal about ten years earlier, provided I actually get what I've got in the works done.
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    "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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    • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      The plan as originally written in 1990:

      1995 - $25k income
      2000 - $50k income
      2005 - $100k income
      2010 - $250k income
      2015 - $250k passive income
      2020 - $1M net worth
      2025 - $2M liquid assets
      2030 - $10M net worth

      I missed my 2010 goal, but I'm still focused on making the 2015 goal. The methods of getting to the next goal may change, but the goals themselves are still the same.
      As you correctly stated your missed your 2010 goal.

      These are goals. Not plans.

      A plan is a set of actions designed in a way to reach a goal.
      The goal is what you aim for. The plan is how you get there.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

        These are goals. Not plans.
        Precisely how much detail do you believe you have some right to demand about my plans?

        Because that list of goals is about the level of detail I find appropriate to this discussion.

        It's not all there is. It's just all you're getting.
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        "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    My plan in a nutshell,

    Part One: Affiliate programs, adsense and passive income - complete. I have several websites that run on auto-pilot generating a reasonable amount of money per month. Having this in place allows me to work on Part Two without having to stress out too much over money. My bills are paid and I'm not eating ramen 7 days a week.

    A lot of marketers stop here, expanding on what is already working. Many make a lot of money with this alone. For myself, I don't want to worry about the next google update, if my adsense account is going to be closed for some wacky reason or any other unexpected internet tsunami to hit. These sites are great while they last but my ambitions aren't to be the guy with 100 adsense sites earning $1 a day.

    Part Two: Developing my own business and product - in alpha testing. What I'm working on isn't necessarily a long term solution but it's something with more longevity than a one shot ebook. It's a product that comes with membership, support and should be relevant (depending on which way the internet winds blow) for the mid-term, 5 - 10 years.

    Part Three: I have a couple of ideas but it's premature to jump on this ship until Part Two is complete. I do know for my long term plans I don't want to be hustling for the next 20 years creating and endless stream of short term products, freelancing or playing the google game. What I end up doing will probably be something along the lines of an authority or high concept site. It's a marathon, not a sprint so I have the time to develop whatever it is properly.

    Misc Stuff: I have a few experimental sites and ideas that I'm also playing around with to keep marketing interesting. Most of these sites are primarily What is all the fuss about... but ended up being marketing avenues that didn't interest or appeal to me. There is also list building but that is kind of a given for most marketers.

    I guess I'm getting rich slowly. We'll see how Part Two plays out in a couple of months.

    So, you're all expected to take part in making me rich buy purchasing my product when it's released
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

    I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

    *smiles*
    Thats what im all about

    Long term success. Business success.
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  • Profile picture of the author apples2011
    long term success is possible but imo IM will get more and more "tough".

    Less people clicking on adds for ppc + more back-links needed to rank well for new sites.

    I think having your own product or trying to make a major website is the best way long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    Looking forward to it. Is it related to WP? I have an opportunity for a WP genius right now...
    Yep

    It's the illegitimate love child of studiopress and optimizepress.
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  • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
    Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

    I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

    *smiles*
    We are 5 years into running an SEO company. Doing really well at the moment. We get clients that have brick and mortar type businesses to the top of Google for what they do.

    We have had the mindset all along of building a real company.

    In the 13 years that I have been in and around small business, I have never met a single person that has done well with the 'get rich quick' mentality. They might exist, but I have never met them.
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    • Profile picture of the author 365Daysof
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      Yep

      It's the illegitimate love child of studiopress and optimizepress.
      Yay for illegitimacy! *grins*

      Do you know anyone that might be itnerested in teaching (ie. writing and managing) a short WP course? One of my partners is on the lookout for my opposite in WP (I do WP well, but my specialty is more in Joomla/Moodle etc.).

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      On some level, that's what we're all doing. It's the perpetual quest of humanity.
      Uh oh... don't get me started. I grew up with a philosophy professor.

      I don't hate the clients themselves; the overwhelming majority of my clients are fantastic people, and often actual friends. I just hate being accountable to some other person for my work deliverables.
      Up until this year, really, I never had any problems with either deliverables or receivables... now, suddenly, people are falling to pieces. Maybe running out of unemployment? *grins*


      Well, at least I'm still visible to the new members. Sometimes I worry I don't make enough noise here... that my audience has plateaued, and will inevitably begin shrinking if I don't find new ways to grow it.
      Well, I tend to read a lot, to poke around and see who I can relate to before doing much posting.

      I'm not a new member who's going to ask a question that's easily answered on Google. Probably not your primary target.

      I still think that's a massive issue in American culture; we don't have a good "medium business" roadmap, and neither small business nor large business techniques work well with medium businesses.
      That why I'm partnering with some many entrepreneurs, is to guide them through that path as they grow a sustainable business.

      Notice I said "business," rather than "job." I feel many people do not actually have a small business, but a job they happen to won. Not the same thing.

      I think it was Bradley Sugars that said a business is something you can walk away from and come back four months later to find it still running, perhaps better than you left it.

      There's a reason copywriters still read Claude C. Hopkins - over a century later, he's still right.
      True 'nuff.

      You can often find me on Welcome To The Talk Marketing Now Network | Real Marketers. Real Talk. where I host four shows and attend several others hosted by friends. There's a list of about eight or nine communities you'll find in common among most of the hosts and high-profile audience members, including the Warrior Forum... and I don't think that's a coincidence.
      I'll check it out. I'm wary of too much socializing, but also on the lookout for what is valuable to me.

      And the danger is that when you ignore these people, you ignore some of the freshest and smartest ideas in the industry. I don't think the industry has ever been turned on its ear by a forty-year-old like me. All the truly disruptive, game-changing ideas I've seen came from someone in his teens or twenties.
      I agree. There is no reason to ignore anyone. I'm here to help when I can, and learn where I can.

      I also like to find a few like souls when I arrive somewhere, to be sure that I fit in, then I like meeting all the "others." *smiles*

      Originally Posted by greggreg View Post

      Ive had a few 2 year plans "now 1 year in the making." I'm now thinking about switching my niche as the clickbank sales have completely disappeared over the past 4 months.. Which is strange because I continue to get the same amount of traffic/ clicks, etc..
      It's certainly frustrating when that happens.

      Originally Posted by iamchrisgreen View Post

      We are 5 years into running an SEO company. Doing really well at the moment. We get clients that have brick and mortar type businesses to the top of Google for what they do.

      We have had the mindset all along of building a real company.
      Good plan! So many SEO businesses are still just getting started. To have that kind of longevity really says something these days.

      In the 13 years that I have been in and around small business, I have never met a single person that has done well with the 'get rich quick' mentality. They might exist, but I have never met them.
      Agreed! *smiles*

      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      In my humble opinion, the IM world is too dynamic to plan too long-term ahead (5 or 10 years). Sure, you can have a "wishful plan" or "dream" of where you want your online business to be in 5 or 10 years time, but in reality the internet moves SO fast that it's unrealistic to project any educated guess that far ahead in time.
      I disagree. There are businesses that have grown over a 10 year (and more) period online that have done just fine.

      Are they flexible? Sure. ANY business plan has to be. Otherwise, it's not a plan, it's rules, and that's sure to fail.

      For example: there are quite a few Warriors now a days managing multi-million businesses based on Facebook or iPhone apps. Guess what: 5 years ago Facebook nor iPhone didnt even exist, so they couldn't have possibly business-planned their business' current situation.
      Again, though, this is where I get confused. Internet Marketing, to me, applies to many types of businesses. And, just like offline business, online business can stick around or die quickly - think of Prudential versus "The Pet Rock."

      Another example: I know many people who make quite a chunk of money coding Wordpress themes and plugins, having even hired a group of coders for this reason. Guess what: 5 years ago Wordpress didnt exist either!
      But a good coder then could have easily been planning to make a business of of templates (which did exist) for CMS (Yep, those, too), like Template Monster (which still does a good business, despite the cheese-factor).

      Another example: say you are building a massive range of niche-sites, SEO'ing them to oblivion so they rank at the top of Google, generating each a small-yet-consistent revenue off organic traffic. Guess what: 5 years ago Google's search algorithm had NOTHING to do with its current form, so your current sites might not rank at all in 2016!
      Which is why SEO'ing a site to the top of Google is not my main priority in longevity planning. There are hundreds of thousands of sites that will never make it to the top of Google that nonetheless make plenty of money.

      What I'm trying to say is that this IM world is far too dynamic, far too changing and far too volatile to be able to project any type of planning 5 or 10 years ahead in time. Don't get too caught up in the "long-term horizon", because it's my belief that this is a business you walk step by step, constantly evolving and adapting along the way. Long-term business planning is just not feasible for 99% of IM'ers in this forum.
      And owning a successful business is not feasible for 99% of people in general.

      *shrugs*

      I understand what you are saying, and agree with your points. I could just as easily point out that the opposite is true over and over, and we'd both be right (or wrong, depending on your POV).

      I'll stick with my long term plans. They continue to bring me not only challenges and interesting people to work with, but satisfaction every day as I see a new piece fall into place, especially the unlooked-for pieces that really boost effectiveness.

      *smiles*
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  • Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    2, 5, or even 10-year plan?
    In my humble opinion, the IM world is too dynamic to plan too long-term ahead (5 or 10 years). Sure, you can have a "wishful plan" or "dream" of where you want your online business to be in 5 or 10 years time, but in reality the internet moves SO fast that it's unrealistic to project any educated guess that far ahead in time.

    For example: there are quite a few Warriors now a days managing multi-million businesses based on Facebook or iPhone apps. Guess what: 5 years ago Facebook nor iPhone didnt even exist, so they couldn't have possibly business-planned their business' current situation.

    Another example: I know many people who make quite a chunk of money coding Wordpress themes and plugins, having even hired a group of coders for this reason. Guess what: 5 years ago Wordpress didnt exist either!

    Another example: say you are building a massive range of niche-sites, SEO'ing them to oblivion so they rank at the top of Google, generating each a small-yet-consistent revenue off organic traffic. Guess what: 5 years ago Google's search algorithm had NOTHING to do with its current form, so your current sites might not rank at all in 2016!

    I could point out dozens of examples.

    What I'm trying to say is that this IM world is far too dynamic, far too changing and far too volatile to be able to project any type of planning 5 or 10 years ahead in time. Don't get too caught up in the "long-term horizon", because it's my belief that this is a business you walk step by step, constantly evolving and adapting along the way. Long-term business planning is just not feasible for 99% of IM'ers in this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      In my humble opinion, the IM world is too dynamic to plan too long-term ahead (5 or 10 years). Sure, you can have a "wishful plan" or "dream" of where you want your online business to be in 5 or 10 years time, but in reality the internet moves SO fast that it's unrealistic to project any educated guess that far ahead in time.

      For example: there are quite a few Warriors now a days managing multi-million businesses based on Facebook or iPhone apps. Guess what: 5 years ago Facebook nor iPhone didnt even exist, so they couldn't have possibly business-planned their business' current situation.

      Another example: I know many people who make quite a chunk of money coding Wordpress themes and plugins, having even hired a group of coders for this reason. Guess what: 5 years ago Wordpress didnt exist either!

      Another example: say you are building a massive range of niche-sites, SEO'ing them to oblivion so they rank at the top of Google, generating each a small-yet-consistent revenue off organic traffic. Guess what: 5 years ago Google's search algorithm had NOTHING to do with its current form, so your current sites might not rank at all in 2016!

      I could point out dozens of examples.

      What I'm trying to say is that this IM world is far too dynamic, far too changing and far too volatile to be able to project any type of planning 5 or 10 years ahead in time. Don't get too caught up in the "long-term horizon", because it's my belief that this is a business you walk step by step, constantly evolving and adapting along the way. Long-term business planning is just not feasible for 99% of IM'ers in this forum.
      I think this assessment of IM is a prudent one to have. While we can make plans to a certain degree when it comes to our internet marketing, we have to take care in ensuring that they're not too rigid and formulaic, because this arena is far too dynamic and fluid to adopt this type of an approach. One has to be open and receptive to new (real) opportunities as and when they come around, and I believe that the key to being able to do this effectively is to systematize what we're presently doing efficiently (and be able to remove ourselves from day to day operations as much as possible without worrying about our present business taking a huge hit). By doing so, we're leaving ourselves in a position to capitalize on real opportunities on the internet as and when they materalize.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Hi Heather!

    With me, it's the best of both worlds....

    I depend upon my Amazon Associate sites which is one of the best models of get rich slowly right now. It's just a matter of research a good niche and build the site and backlinks. It's not overnight but like clockwork it brings in a nice steady monthly income.

    Really, you can do the same with any other affiliate model. The trick is scaling up!

    Of course when you commit to a get rich slowly method, you have to have another avenue that's more immediate so I do work part-time and dabble a little with some offline marketing.
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  • Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

    I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

    *smiles*
    Yip I am. I'm slowly building up my niche sites. One site may only make $300 a month, but 5 years from now I could have 200 + sites mostly running on autopilot.

    That's the plan anyway. I'm not in this to make $50,000 next month. I'm looking for something that I can build so that I can work for myself, and build a business that will give me financial freedom and the ability to be wherever I want to be on the planet at any given time for the rest of my life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    Doing this to get rich will sadly disappoint you.


    Hey, It's a fact.

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  • Profile picture of the author ben1ewis
    I think to run a successful business you need high quality content that is very niche related. As soon as you start a business just for money problems occur. If you focus on your business the money will come making it a long-term earner.
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    • Profile picture of the author 365Daysof
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      I think this assessment of IM is a prudent one to have. While we can make plans to a certain degree when it comes to our internet marketing, we have to take care in ensuring that they're not too rigid and formulaic, because this arena is far too dynamic and fluid to adopt this type of an approach. One has to be open and receptive to new (real) opportunities as and when they come around, and I believe that the key to being able to do this effectively is to systematize what we're presently doing efficiently (and be able to remove ourselves from day to day operations as much as possible without worrying about our present business taking a huge hit). By doing so, we're leaving ourselves in a position to capitalize on real opportunities on the internet as and when they materalize.
      Fascinating. Paul, I completely agree with what you said, but disagree with the OP that you quoted.

      Perhaps because your reply didn't say anything against long term planing, but FOR flexibility, whereas the OP suggested that long term planning was not possible, because of a lack of flexibility.

      Systemization is something that i have read about for decades, and yet, I just recently (past 5 years) took it to heart and really started looking at it as a viable way of doing business.

      At first, I read about it, and it resonated, but I was 19 and in corporate, training people 2 and 3 times my age for Kinko's of Manhattan. It didn't apply to me, others had systemetized everything.

      Then, I read it and it resonated, but I was 28-29, and was making $200k+, while traveling the country teaching and writing about sewing, and loving my life. It didn't apply to ME. I was living my dream...

      Now, I devour concepts and systems and look for ways to help others begin their own processes and understand the concept to make them more successful, even while I create my own systems, because I am out of the "lone wolf" stage and into the "build a corporation that can outlast me" stage.

      So I agree with you, Paul. *smiles*

      Originally Posted by Michael Franklin View Post

      Hi Heather!

      With me, it's the best of both worlds....

      I depend upon my Amazon Associate sites which is one of the best models of get rich slowly right now. It's just a matter of research a good niche and build the site and backlinks. It's not overnight but like clockwork it brings in a nice steady monthly income.

      Really, you can do the same with any other affiliate model. The trick is scaling up!
      I agree. And to me, it's very rewarding to make things happen. Unfortunately for me, living in NC means I can't do Amazon... at least not to my address. Boo!

      LOL!

      Living in this gorgeous area does make up for that, though. *smiles*

      Of course when you commit to a get rich slowly method, you have to have another avenue that's more immediate so I do work part-time and dabble a little with some offline marketing.
      True enough! I freelance my mad web dev skillz every day. It's fun for me to work with a wide variety of people and projects from $200 - $20,000+, and I get to learn from their challenges and successes as well, while I build my empire.

      Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing View Post

      Yip I am. I'm slowly building up my niche sites. One site may only make $300 a month, but 5 years from now I could have 200 + sites mostly running on autopilot.

      That's the plan anyway. I'm not in this to make $50,000 next month. I'm looking for something that I can build so that I can work for myself, and build a business that will give me financial freedom and the ability to be wherever I want to be on the planet at any given time for the rest of my life.
      *smiles* Good onya!

      Originally Posted by Jake Gray View Post

      Doing this to get rich will sadly disappoint you.

      Hey, It's a fact.
      Jake, I completely agree. I do it to follow my passion AND to get rich. And by rich, I mean having the money to cover all my bills, let me travel, enjoy my time with friends and family, and so on.

      About $250k/year is a very comfortable place for me. More is nice, too, but that's my place.

      Even better that now I am running a corporation, so building equity is also a big part of what I do, so I'll make money on paper and in-hand.

      Originally Posted by Cast25 View Post

      Im also building nich sites slow and currently making $300 a month. Hope to earn more soon.
      Hey, that'll pay the light bill and dinner! Good for you!

      Originally Posted by ben1ewis View Post

      I think to run a successful business you need high quality content that is very niche related. As soon as you start a business just for money problems occur. If you focus on your business the money will come making it a long-term earner.
      I agree with you that starting a business just for money is usually a bad idea. However, I know MANY, MANY people who do a lot of focusing on their businesses and never make any money.

      IMO, it's a matter of WHERE you focus and WHAT you focus on.

      One guy I recently spoke with has 16,000 subscribers, and has never made more that $3,000 in a year. His focus has obviously not bee on making money, because with that number, he should be able to sell enough to make a base living (at least), IMO.

      But, because his focus was not on making aprofit to begin with, he may not have built the right list, and may have to work 10x as hard to get the conversions as someone else.

      *smiles*
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    I never expected to get rich overnight, and when I started properly and did my niche marketing full time I quickly learnt that it is very hard work. Even if you outsource alot of your work.

    But is it worth it? hell yes! Do I have fun? hell yes..... I mean I do not have to work for a cracky smelly old boss. Win win really!
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    Count me in I have a Video Creation Business which is in Full Flow Now With 20 Members. It took me a year and half to be in this position but its definitely worth it!

    I am in a very good market and see myself serving a helluva lot of clients in the coming years . I have now got one asset which I was lagging in my previous years: FOCUS
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      I never expected to get rich overnight, and when I started properly and did my niche marketing full time I quickly learnt that it is very hard work. Even if you outsource alot of your work.
      LOL! Yes, especially in that training period. And there is a reason people hire managers. Because managing is a JOB, LOL!

      But is it worth it? hell yes! Do I have fun? hell yes..... I mean I do not have to work for a cracky smelly old boss. Win win really!
      I sometimes joke that my boss is SUCH a bitch... *grins*

      Originally Posted by GopalG View Post

      Count me in I have a Video Creation Business which is in Full Flow Now With 20 Members. It took me a year and half to be in this position but its definitely worth it!

      I am in a very good market and see myself serving a helluva lot of clients in the coming years . I have now got one asset which I was lagging in my previous years: FOCUS
      WOW! Congrats to you! *applauds* Focus is a BIG deal! I'd love to know more. I have some video stuff from a while back that I haven't done anything with.
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    Hello,
    I happen to be "getting rich slowly," in two ways, one is by investing in stocks, and the other way is via a new company that launched in August 2010, called One24. Ever heard of it? It's quite amazing, actually. It was created to eliminate attrition and for everyone to do nothing but succeed. You can discover more at my website: EasyAtOne2Four.com. Let me know what you think!

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    Originally Posted by 365Daysof View Post

    What I mean is, is anyone here in WF building a business model that just happens to be online, focusing on long-term success, and a 2, 5, or even 10-year plan? And what do you do?

    I'm new to this forum (not to the 'net, or making money on it), and I'm looking to meet others with a plan focused on longevity.

    *smiles*
    You see..it't good to think years ahead but...
    I prefer to do business like i walk with the car in the night. I only see what the lights allow me to see...in the dark..is surprise...

    seriously meaning....everything is changing so quick around that you can't forecast tomorrow. my modest opinion
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    LOL! So now the hyenas join the thread...

    Interesting.
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