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Will Android take the market like PC's did from Mac

by Quentin
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Apple is starting to see dramatic falls in sales even though it is a wonderful product.

There is no real question whether Macs are better than PC's in my mind however their draconian marketing system is what lets them down.

Now we see it happening again with their tight control on what their customers can and can't do.

Is the tide turning and will apple ipad and iphone head down the same road?
#android #mac #market
  • Profile picture of the author g4r3th
    Android seems to be the in thing at the moment. Its good to have some competition for Apple, lets have a price war.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tashi Mortier
      Well, the IPhone is very expensive and that takes it from the list of options of many potential customers.

      Android may outrun IPhone because of a greater market share in the future. However there are a few things to consider.

      With IPhone, usually, as a developer, you have only a few devices to run your tests on, now with Android, this gets a whole lot more complicated.

      The devices SHOULD all support the same applications, but they run different versions of Android and they have been modified by the cell phone manufacturers in many ways. I have heard from many developers that it was a pain to develop for Android. However, you don't need to buy an expensive Apple and register a development Iphone jadajadajada. Also there is no company telling you whether you can sell your product or not.

      So I think that the situation will become the same as with computers: Apple, more stable but a lot more expensive, Android, cheaper, more applications available, but everything a little bit more buggy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Ipad and iPhone are expensive - but so are some Androids. I think one big advantage that Android has is that you have a wide range of phones/tablets to choose from, whereas iPad and iPhone come on apple and that's it. With Android you can choose from LG, Samsung, Optus and all the other phones that come with Android - much better choice and most of them cheaper than iPhone!
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    Absolutely.. It has already started.. I 100% believe apps are taking over the web...slowly but surely.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    Argh.

    Peeve nerve has been hit.

    A Mac is a PC. A Mac can run Windows, and a white box, and any brand other than Apple, can run OS X.

    Will Android dominate the OS market? Not for the next few years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeb
      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

      Argh.

      Peeve nerve has been hit.

      A Mac is a PC. A Mac can run Windows, and a white box, and any brand other than Apple, can run OS X.

      Will Android dominate the OS market? Not for the next few years.
      I think that you'll find that android is already dominating the smart phone OS market :-

      Android leaps beyond RIM to take top spot in U.S. market | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews

      The same thing is happening with apple vs windows again. History is repeating itself. Users love open source as history has taught us.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    A Mac is a PC. A Mac can run Windows, and a white box, and any brand other than Apple, can run OS X.
    But you can only XBOX on Windows Mobile 7!
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    • Profile picture of the author MarioSotojr
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      But you can only XBOX on Windows Mobile 7!
      That's so true.

      The fact that apple is only offering it in the us through verizon or ATT is going to hurt them period.

      I played with an iphone 4 it's ok I like my droid better this is personal choice.

      As for mac being a better computer I have to disagree. Since your a programmer for phone aps. you said it's a nightmare to work on android phone apps I can see that.

      But then you say mac's are better well if you look at it from the same angle that you just wrote about the phone.

      The reason they are so called better is because they handle all the hardware there is no competition for hardware that is within the strict guidelines of apple

      As for a pc there are thousands of combination's of hardware you can have on a computer from memory, motherboards, cpu's etc. It's a coding nightmare and windows 7 has to deal with all that..

      Windows 7 is extremely stable.. Case in point as soon as win 7 came out when was the last commercial did you see about the mac vs the pc?

      None cause Apple knew what they were talking about is null now.


      The bottom line a linux run machine is better
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      • Profile picture of the author SeoWhat
        Apple and Linux are both Unix...I'm just sayin'
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Iphone lost me when I found out you can't even change the battery. I'm out and away from power supplies and carry enough extra batteries to run my droid all day and night in constant use. Case closed for me.

    I pad vs droid. I have to admit I like ipad slightly better. However, droid wins again due to the battery issue and the open source factor.

    Still I can't figure out why there isn't a Windows Phone and a Windows pad that rivals both iPhone and Droid.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Iphone lost me when I found out you can't even change the battery. I'm out and away from power supplies and carry enough extra batteries to run my droid all day and night in constant use. Case closed for me.

      I pad vs droid. I have to admit I like ipad slightly better. However, droid wins again due to the battery issue and the open source factor.

      Still I can't figure out why there isn't a Windows Phone and a Windows pad that rivals both iPhone and Droid.

      George Wright
      George, the battery issue is due to Apple employing extreme measures in whittling down the thickness of the iPhone. The Android phone manufacturers have taken a far more practical approach in that all phones have user replaceable batteries, and the sacrifice in thickness is only somewhere in the region of 2-3 mm for many of the present phones. In addition to that, the upcoming Android phones from Samsung, LG and Sony Ericsson pretty much match or beat the thickness of the iPhone 4, and still manage to provide a user replaceable battery!

      The tablet comparison is a little murkier at the present, as Android 3.0 (Honeycomb - the tablet OS) hasn't quite been fleshed out yet, and there's only one tablet out on the market currently that is available with it (the Motorola Xoom). This OS has a very sophisticated desktop-like interface (as opposed to a phone interface), and it'll evolve into a very powerful alternative to iPad's OS that will enable you to do a lot more with it (true multitasking, live widgets, more productive/higher screen resolution, etc.)

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  • Profile picture of the author g36
    I don't really think so. A lot of people use PC and it's cheap too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    Motorola Droid2 Global FTW! Woooooooooooooooot

    And I love my Windows PC too!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooot
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

    Apple is starting to see dramatic falls in sales even though it is a wonderful product.
    I've heard reports that the Japanese earthquake has disrupted Apple's supply chain, but I don't think that there's been any drop in demand for the iPad...
    AppleInsider | Continued lines for Apple's iPad 2 create 'shock and awe,' sales forecasts surge
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

      I've heard reports that the Japanese earthquake has disrupted Apple's supply chain, but I don't think that there's been any drop in demand for the iPad...
      AppleInsider | Continued lines for Apple's iPad 2 create 'shock and awe,' sales forecasts surge

      It's hit a lot of manufacturers - especially those reliant on memory as one of the memory factories was literally swept away in the disaster and although it would normally cause some problems, it's also promoted panic buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I think one of the things missing here is where the content will come from and who wants it. I do a lot of work in the video industry and the Android platform is good but definitely not taking over the market. The big push right now is in OTT (Over The Top video services - bringing video from around the internet to any device) and multi-screen experience (ie. having all your devices know what you're doing and being able to move from watching a movie at your tv to continuing it on your PC upstairs, or on your mobile device when you go out).

    These things are not dependant on whether you're using Android or not, so they won't make one technology or another outsell the others.

    For many users they don't care whether you call it an ipad or an android - they just base their preferences on the user experience and that's where Apple always come up trumps, even with performance issues they've built a brand that makes people want their stuff - whatever it does.

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  • Profile picture of the author donhx
    Will the Android have a bigger market share than the iPhone? It surpassed the iPhone in May 2010. Android market share passes iPhone's: NPD data - MarketWatch

    It will also be happening with tablets soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author TaiZejan
    So much of my life is connected to the google cloud, and Andoird makes the integration so smooth.

    I believe a lot of people are starting to realize this, apple better watch out.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by TaiZejan View Post

      So much of my life is connected to the google cloud, and Andoird makes the integration so smooth.

      I believe a lot of people are starting to realize this, apple better watch out.
      I couldn't agree more - I use multiple Google services presently that are vital to running my online business, and it's wonderful how they integrate so well with my Android EVO smartphone. I'm pretty sure that the services integration on the Android tablet OS (Honeycomb 3.0) is going to be even better and on a larger scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcellarhughes
    The Android has a HUGE market compared the the Blackberry one, and most of them are free. Also, Android's market is rapidly expanding.


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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    Since we've shifted to tablets,

    The Blackberry Playbook can use android apps as well.

    The Xoom is making me reconsider my opinion on tablets, it's pretty sweet. I'm on the fence but I'm slowly being sucked in to picking one up.

    What I really want is a complete computer experience in a tablet. I could care less about checking my Facebook or watching youtube, I want to fire up real applications and work on the road. I want Windows 7 in a pint sized package. I know a couple are in the works so I'll probably hold off a couple more months and see what's available then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Oh I really hope so.

    Not that I am in the market for a 'smart phone' - my phone is as thick as pig sh1t

    I just dislike Apple and all it stands for. It is the Betamax of computers and should go the same way IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    I like Android more. I love my freedom.

    With more sets, more freedom and Google behind it Android will lead the market but Apple will be a close second so it will not be the supremacy PCs have over Macs. So no, not like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    And there's the problem: Windows 7 isn't a tablet operating system, and Steve Ballmer seems really reluctant to acknowledge that..
    Yeah, the HP Slate doesn't work as well as advertised.

    If I were Ballmer, I'd make a tablet UI for windows a priority. They could go the windows mobile 7 route but it's not the same, it would just be another ipad or xoom.

    Microsoft needs to hire or promote some creative 20-somethings to get a little cool into their product pipeline. I'm not going to covert to apple but I'm tired of them coming out with all of the cool toys first.

    Microsoft needs to take a little initiative, and while they are at it, how about replacing paint with something relevant to the 21st century and a couple of other cool freebie programs. I'd like a microsoft garage band! Seriously, wordpad and windows movie maker aren't cutting it.

    It's expensive but Dell is offering one now (not affiliate link):
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    I'll have to check that out. It's crazy expensive.

    I think what I want is still a couple of years down the road. The MAC air is close, lose the keyboard and replace it with a screen. Make sure it has a usb port so it can be used as a traditional computer with external keyboard and mouse. I'm sure Jobs has something like that in the works.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      If I were Ballmer, I'd make a tablet UI for windows a priority. They could go the windows mobile 7 route but it's not the same, it would just be another ipad or xoom.

      Microsoft needs to hire or promote some creative 20-somethings to get a little cool into their product pipeline. I'm not going to covert to apple but I'm tired of them coming out with all of the cool toys first.

      Microsoft needs to take a little initiative, and while they are at it, how about replacing paint with something relevant to the 21st century and a couple of other cool freebie programs. I'd like a microsoft garage band! Seriously, wordpad and windows movie maker aren't cutting it.
      Yeah, I completely agree on all three counts. It's hard to believe that a company which is supposed to be worth a quarter of a trillion dollars finds it so hard to adapt and innovate.

      A good example is the Kin Phone. Lifetime: Less than 3 months.
      BBC News - Microsoft pulls plug on Kin phone

      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      I think what I want is still a couple of years down the road. The MAC air is close, lose the keyboard and replace it with a screen. Make sure it has a usb port so it can be used as a traditional computer with external keyboard and mouse. I'm sure Jobs has something like that in the works.
      There's talk that Apple are bringing out a keyboard for the iPad. I don't know how many will buy, as it seems to defeat the purpose of a tablet computer. Unless, of course, the keyboard is supposed to live on your desk to be used when you're not out and about.

      More interesting is the way that the iPhone/iPad interface has influenced the next generation of OS X, 10.7 "Lion". Check out "Launchpad" and "Full Screen Apps" to see what I mean... Apple - Mac OS X Lion
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      • Profile picture of the author SeoWhat
        Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

        Yeah, I completely agree on all three counts. It's hard to believe that a company which is supposed to be worth a quarter of a trillion dollars finds it so hard to adapt and innovate.

        A good example is the Kin Phone. Lifetime: Less than 3 months.
        BBC News - Microsoft pulls plug on Kin phone


        There's talk that Apple are bringing out a keyboard for the iPad. I don't know how many will buy, as it seems to defeat the purpose of a tablet computer. Unless, of course, the keyboard is supposed to live on your desk to be used when you're not out and about.

        More interesting is the way that the iPhone/iPad interface has influenced the next generation of OS X, 10.7 "Lion". Check out "Launchpad" and "Full Screen Apps" to see what I mean... Apple - Mac OS X Lion
        There is a nifty keyboard dock from Apple to turn the ipad into a desktop device
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  • Profile picture of the author Boricua
    As long as Steve Jobs keeps alive Android will not be the #1 best choice.

    That is me or perhaps my love for the iphone. Not sure yet
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I think that all of apple products are great and that they have a great marketing team. I think that Apple just gets criticized too much. They really do make good computers but for some reason their computers seem less of business computers and more for play.
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  • Profile picture of the author packerfan
    Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

    Apple is starting to see dramatic falls in sales even though it is a wonderful product.

    There is no real question whether Macs are better than PC's in my mind however their draconian marketing system is what lets them down.

    Now we see it happening again with their tight control on what their customers can and can't do.

    Is the tide turning and will apple ipad and iphone head down the same road?
    Where are seeing that apple's sales are falling? Might want to look a little closer. They're targeting like 50,000,000 Ipad sales this year, probably close to 100,000,000 iphones, countless Ipods, etc.

    If you're talking about overall cell phone market share, then yes, it's declining. But take a look at actual profits. Apple's making a ton...
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    I honestly don't think Android can, in near future, dominate the computers' market. Having said that, I whole-heartedly agree that Android CAN dominate the tablet and the smartphone market.

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  • Profile picture of the author ganesh
    I love ANDROID. It will continue to rise in popularity. The future belongs to smart phones, netbooks and tablets. So there is no surprise if Android leads.
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