How Important is Gravity in Choosing Clickbank Products Really?

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I am looking for a new niche to work on and in the process of this I am looking through the Clickbank Marketplace to what I would like to promote. I am never sure how to treat Gravity. I normally avoid anything over 100, but how low should I go? I am guessing low gravity could mean a product that doesn't convert or one that affiliates just haven't really found yet.

And what about new products - is the view that it is better to leave products that have not yet been tried and tested in the marketplace first, or that you should get in there quick before anyone else does??
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  • I usually do an advanced search and filter out all the clickbank products released in the last 3 months. That way you know you're getting a "fairly" true Gravity, and not being tricked by people who launch new products, and abuse the gravity system. Noobs always think high gravity means the product is converting well, when it actually doesn't.

    I like to go for gravity between 10 and 30.. but thats just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    What exactly IS the gravity score?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rumpleteazer
      Gravity is a measure of how many sales a particular product has had.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    gravity is a VERY rough average about the overall performance of a product on clickbank.

    To tell the truth, it doesn't mean ANYTHING.

    If you want to decide on a product, look at their landing page(s) (popups? squeeze page?) and their affiliate material like banners. Often, the overall first impression of a site already makes me shudder and NOT promote the product(s).
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  • Profile picture of the author ThelemaqueTip
    I agree with GeorgR from my experience not every clickbank product with heavy gravity do well..You just have to find the one that you think needed for the market right now
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Is there any rule of thumb for picking THE best clickbank offers to promote? (other than gut feeling by looking at the website?)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Rumpleteazer View Post

      Gravity is a measure of how many sales a particular product has had.
      This is completely wrong.

      There's no correlation between gravity and numbers of sales.

      It's actually common for products with gravities around 5 - 10 to outsell products with gravities over 100.

      Gravity is an indication of how much competition there is. It measures the number of affiliates who have each made one or more sales over the previous 8 weeks. Each affiliate gets, effectively, a “score” between 0.1 and 1.0 (according to when they made their last sale, but not according to the quantity they sold) and the total is the product's gravity figure. Sounds easy enough to understand? It isn’t.

      Nearly all internet marketing guides make the howling mistake of advising beginners to promote only high gravity products. This has a hugely distorting effect on the market and its observed statistics. There's a big and constant turnover of new affiliates trying to sell high gravity products, failing, dropping out and being replaced by others repeating their experiences. This of course boosts those products' gravity figures further and further, because gravity measures the number of affiliates who (eventually) make a sale, not the number of sales made.

      If there are two otherwise equivalent and equally good products, with otherwise matching statistical parameters, but one has a gravity of 15 and the other has a gravity of 150, my own instincts are to suspect very strongly that (other things being equal) both the conversion-rate and the numbers of sales are actually very likely to be higher for the lower gravity product.

      So, I actually avoid high gravity products: the day I learned that (and a few other things) and started acting on it was the day I started earning some real money through being a Clickbank affiliate

      I promote 15 different Clickbank products at the moment, and my two best-converting products, by far, out of all those, both have single-figure gravities. Some people think that's a “coincidence”. I think they’re wrong.

      I stay away from high gravity products because (as Clickbank now, finally, advises affiliates openly on their site) the one thing you know for sure about a high gravity product is that it's going to be competitive to sell.

      Here's a little example, which might possibly clarify the issues:-

      Clickbank Product A

      - Sales-page conversion-rate 2.8%
      - Solid product from well-known marketer
      - Product has almost no refund requests
      - He has 20 affiliates of whom 10 are superaffiliates who sell huge numbers of the product
      - Product is easy to promote and sell
      - Sales numbers are therefore very high, but the gravity figure is obviously very low (maybe around 10)

      Clickbank Product B


      - Sales-page conversion-rate 0.2%
      - Dreadful product from scammy marketer
      - Refund request-rate is higher, of course
      - Product had a "professional launch" with 100 "temporary affiliates" (accounts used once each to buy one product, privately refunded, and/or the figures were massaged in one of the other "customary ways")
      - Product is obviously a complete and utter nightmare to promote and sell because the sales-page doesn't convert well
      - Gravity figure starts out at about 110, and rapidly rises to 150/200 because gullible affiliates are attracted by the gravity figure, believing wrongly that it "validates the fact that the product is selling very well", and they all struggle and waste time/money, but eventually they obviously make 1 or 2 sales each anyway, and for this reason the gravity figure rises still further to 250/300 as the inevitable consequence of its self-fulfilling prophecy for the naive.

      Obviously enough, product "B" is the high gravity product.

      Obviously enough, product "A" is the one for which I want to be an affiliate.

      These examples are in no way contrived. They're both realistic and common.

      A product with 20 affiliates each making 1,000 sales will have a far lower gravity than a product with 500 affiliates, all attracted by the high gravity and struggling to make 1 sale each because the sales page hardly converts their traffic at all. But by the time they make 1 sale each, that boosts the gravity figure still higher. This is part of the explanation for the sometimes dreadful conversion-rates of the sales pages of the products with the highest gravities.

      Key points:

      (i) there's no correlation between the gravity figure and the conversion-rate

      (ii) there's no correlation between the gravity figure and the number of sales: specifically, for various reasons, low gravity products can have enormous numbers of sales without this showing. High gravity products can (and quite often do) have comparatively low sales. This confuses a lot of people.

      Here are more little examples of how the numbers work:-

      - A product with 100 active affiliates each making steady sales will typically (but not necessarily) have a gravity score around 50 - 70

      - A product with 100 active affiliates who all made their sales very recently will have a gravity score much closer to 100

      - A product with 100 active affiliates who all made their last sale seven and a half weeks ago will typically have a gravity score of about 10

      - A product with 100 active affiliates can't have a gravity figure higher than 100, however many copies they each sell

      - If product A has 100 affiliates who each made one sale last week but have never made any other sales at all, and product B has 100 affiliates who have each made 500 sales over the last 2 months, of which in each case the most recent sale was last week, then these two products have the same gravity, though one has of course sold 500 times the number of copies of the other. (This difference will be reflected to some extent in the product's "popularity score", but not in its "gravity score").

      If the five points above make sense to you, then you know how "gravity" really works.

      Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

      Is there any rule of thumb for picking THE best clickbank offers to promote? (other than gut feeling by looking at the website?)
      It depends what you mean by "rule of thumb". I have ten little rules of thumb. (Does that make them "rules of 2 thumbs and 8 fingers"?).

      They seem to have helped some people: you can read them here, anyway, and see if you like them.
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      • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I have ten little rules of thumb.
        Good stuff, Alexa. Thanks. Unfortunately, EVERYone has "leaks" these days (kinda hard to find one without). Oh well.

        So what IS an article marketer? What do you "do", exactly?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

          Unfortunately, EVERYone has "leaks" these days (kinda hard to find one without).
          Time-consuming, yes. But with 14,000+ active products, there are plenty with no leaks.

          Time very, very, very well spent, though. It can easily be the difference between making a living and not making a living.

          Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

          So what IS an article marketer? What do you "do", exactly?
          I write articles for syndication and gradually develop content-filled niche sites building lists and promoting (mostly) Clickbank products on the sites and by autoresponder, and get targeted traffic and high-quality, context-relevant backlinks by having my work as widely syndicated as possible (after having it all published and indexed on my own sites first). I use one or two article directories, too, but not primarily for their own traffic and backlinks - just as a way to "reach better places".
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          • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            But with 14,000+ active products, there are plenty with no leaks.
            Gotcha. Well, in my case I'm currently seeking Spanish language offers... and believe me, there ain't no 14,000 products in Spanish!

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I write articles for syndication and gradually develop content-filled niche sites building lists and promoting (mostly) Clickbank products on the sites and by autoresponder...
            Interesting. Veeeery interesting.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

              in my case I'm currently seeking Spanish language offers... and believe me, there ain't no 14,000 products in Spanish!
              Ah, I see ... yes. Point taken.

              Well, you may have to tolerate "minor leaks", then. (But not vendor's opt-in on the sales page, surely? I mean, you must draw the line at that?).

              Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

              Veeeery interesting.
              Hmmm, Spanish is pretty much like English, then?!
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              • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Hmmm, Spanish is pretty much like English, then?!
                I don't speak Spanish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rumpleteazer
    Thank you Alexa. This is really helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    Alexa is an expert in this field. I think gravity is a stat that shouldn't be too important, it's like alexa ranking. It depends on lots of factors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
    As alexa said in earlier post about newbs being gullible and going for the high gravity because other established Affiliate marketers tell you to, i made that mistake a few times already. Alexa, thanks for clearing up the clickbank gravity mystery, maybe now i can fix my PPC campaigns and start making some money
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  • Profile picture of the author fmn9999
    When it comes to choosing profitable products from the market place, you can’t rely on gravity alone.
    The effectiveness of the salesletter to convert visitors into customers will have a big impact on the amount of commissions that you make by promoting the product.
    That is why you should take some time and evaluate the salesletter of the product’s that you are thinking about promoting. Just because the product has a high gravity score doesn’t mean that it will convert into sales for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Thank you for your explanation, Alexa!

    I’m trying to find Clickbank products to promote in a new lens and I was acting based on what I have learned from a known internet marketer anyhow, and he said that a good gravity for choosing a product was over 50. He didn’t give us any explanations about this advice… I didn’t understand what gravity really meant.

    I’m going to choose low gravity products, and pay attention to other factors, after your enlightening lesson.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Is there any rule of thumb for picking THE best clickbank offers to promote?
    I wish! I don't know how often i already promoted the "hottest" products which didn't sell at all. So..don't listen to all the hype the vendors do.

    One tip is actually to look around what other people are selling. For example on ezinearticles, why a certain person is promoting a product over and over.

    This helped me personally, even for products/niches where i though they are WAYYY saturated because everyone and their mama is promoting them.

    But it showed what worked for them also worked for me.

    The rest is trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayo1234
    Thanks Alexa I think now the term "Gravity" got all new meaning for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author brianboyer
    I am new to ClickBank so this was helpful. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author pilaruk
    There are products that convert better that dont have a high gravity. (maybe because they are new products)

    If you are promoting a product which has high gravity you will have more competition (other people trying to promote it too) because most people will tend to promote higher gravity products. Then there are more chances of the person interested in buying that product clicking in one of the other sites trying to promote it and they could also get the commission.
    I hope you understand what i am trying to explain.
    Hope it helps:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    As already said in this thread, gravity doesnt reflect sales.

    My web design business startup kit did $1,151 in the last 15 days, and it has a gravity of 2.54 Infact that is one of my best selling products, and for close to a year, it had a gravity of less than 1.
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