Finally Accepted to Ebay Partner Network

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I'm pretty much just making this thread out of pure joy. lol After getting rejected twice already, Ebay finally let me into their affiliate program. Yay me! On today's list of things to do - slap up an Ebay listing page on all of my affiliate sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Congrats ... first I've seen a thread about getting accepted to EPN. Plenty of rejected threads, but not accepted. Any tips on how you did it?
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  • Profile picture of the author darren13
    Congrats ofthemix. Thats great. I have been rejected once already. Do share if you have the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    Well done, brilliant success, WSO on the way on how to get accepted?

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  • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
    LOL Idk if there is any magic formula to getting accepted. I was surprised at how quickly they did it though. I applied last night around midnight, got a call from them today at around 10am, and that was it, I was accepted into the program. I didn't even give them a full list of all of the websites that I planned to use it on because I expected to get rejected.

    In the paragraph that they require you to write about your websites and how you plan to drive traffic to your sites, I pretty much just pointed out two of my better sites. The first one I told them gets 30,000 unique visitors a month and that I think the EPN would be perfect for it (which isn't a lie, no other program can match the niche), and the second site I promoted to them I told them makes about $600 a month with the Amazon affiliate program. I guess they thought they might want a slice of that pie. I also explained that I've been an internet marketer for almost 2 years and listed all of the various ways that I drive traffic to both of the sites. Also, I linked my Ebay seller account to my EPN account. That may have helped as I have really high feedback that's 100% positive.

    Maybe it was just luck, I'm not sure. Because when I first applied for the EPN I was an Ebay Powerseller and they still rejected me.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizsolutions
      It's good to know, but I don't have sites with that kind of positive results. Not yet
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Well done - you've achieved a task that does seem very difficult lately.

    I think you've given them some good details with your site and plans to drive traffic, I'm sure that has helped enormously.

    Congrats!
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    • Profile picture of the author StuHaynes
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      Well done - you've achieved a task that does seem very difficult lately.

      I think you've given them some good details with your site and plans to drive traffic, I'm sure that has helped enormously.

      Congrats!
      I got accepted first time in April and got off to a promising start, actually made a small amount of cash - then the rules changed, seeming to make it impossible to make money from 'unwelcome' clicks. Basically ebay will accept the traffic but generally pay me 'F' all for the intro.

      Similarly Squidoo has gone t*ts up as well - any ideas anyone?

      As for EPN - if you are new - don't waste your time unless your traffic is clicking on 'collectibles' or new to ebay.

      Not really good news is it? Some good news would be good....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
    Thanks. I reapplied on a whim. I was on there to do niche research and then I saw the Affiliate link at the bottom. I guess it was dumb luck, cause after the second rejection I had honestly never planned to apply with them again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pubster
      Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

      Thanks. I reapplied on a whim. I was on there to do niche research and then I saw the Affiliate link at the bottom. I guess it was dumb luck, cause after the second rejection I had honestly never planned to apply with them again.
      So it appears you re-applied with a different website than the one that got rejected first 2 times...right???...And the site with 30000 visitors already that they approved for you...did it have monetization through someone else when you submitted to EPN?...
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      • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
        Originally Posted by Pubster View Post

        So it appears you re-applied with a different website than the one that got rejected first 2 times...right???...And the site with 30000 visitors already that they approved for you...did it have monetization through someone else when you submitted to EPN?...
        The 1st time I applied I used a website that someone else had built for me specifically for the EPN. That site got rejected.

        The 2nd two times I used the same websites. The site with 30,000 visitors earns revenue exclusively through Adsense, usually just a dollar or two a day. I've put some Amazon stuff on there but it hasn't done well at all. Hopefully Ebay will do better since they have more stuff on there that's geared towards the niche.

        The other main site that I pitched to them was an Amazon review site that makes money via both Amazon and Adsense. That site only gets about 3,000 unique visitors a month.
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        • Profile picture of the author Pubster
          Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

          The 1st time I applied I used a website that someone else had built for me specifically for the EPN. That site got rejected.

          The 2nd two times I used the same websites. The site with 30,000 visitors earns revenue exclusively through Adsense, usually just a dollar or two a day. I've put some Amazon stuff on there but it hasn't done well at all. Hopefully Ebay will do better since they have more stuff on there that's geared towards the niche.

          The other main site that I pitched to them was an Amazon review site that makes money via both Amazon and Adsense. That site only gets about 3,000 unique visitors a month.
          Good Job or maybe lucky you had the whim to re-apply. In any event congrats to you....2 Thumbs Up!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author edge83
            Congrats.

            After being with them for more than two years, here are a few things that have been 100% consistently the case for me.

            0.13 per click seems to be a default setting of sorts. Perhaps that number is related to some secret "quality" score for my sites, but there is definitely a default amount for me. It was 0.14 at the beginning of the CPC switch - but then it went to 0.13. I've basically been at 0.13 per click whether I sell 30 items in a month or 3. My site that uses EPN is in the 1 to 200 visitors per day range.

            The only time this has ever changed is if i start getting too many clicks. More than 60 in a day, and all of a sudden i'm fluctuating on a day to day basis - it's also always lower than 0.13 in this case unless there were some very big sale on one of those days.

            It's as though a certain number of clicks in a (day/week who knows) triggers something

            One time I got way more than 0.13 per click, more than 0.30. That lasted for a few days after selling a car. Sweet. However, it almost immediately dropped me down to 0.01 per click after that, as though to compensate for the lots of money made those days. From this I believe that to get a higher CPC and keep it up you have to consistently be making sales at the dollar amount of whatever secret formula it is to keep them up there. Which makes sense.

            It appears that though it is CPC, the CPC starts adjusting itself when your monthly amount reaches a certain point so that what you make doesn't become crazy dis-proportionate to how much money you've made ebay.

            One thing very important: if you have a site that really attracts a lot of clicks but not tons of buys.. think cars.. people just love to click to see what's going on in those car auctions - but it's very bad for you. Every time i activated that site, my clicks went way up, but the overall EPC tanked.

            My EPC has never been different for different sites. If I turned on said car site, it tanked ALL sites down to 0.01. I believe that this only changes if you have a certain total number of clicks from individual sites.


            Basically you want to keep things so that you aren't getting tons of clicks for clicks sake, the ratio of buys to clicks.. the better that is, the better for you. If you start trying to boost clicks thinking "sweet, 0.13 for every click, let's get more clicks" that has always backfired for me big time.

            For this reason - and this is the only time I started making money with EPN, auctions are the very last thing on my page. All my content is there and the auctions are there as an afterthought, there is no call to action about them at all.

            I never made a single sale until I did what I just described. February had near daily sales.

            Oh, also, it seems to be about 10-13 days. If you go that long without a sale, you are at 0.00 for every click. Get one sale and I'm back to where I was.. fortunately this barely happens to me anymore.

            Hopefully this helps.

            For the particular site I use it for, EPN is best - it's quite niche and #1 for many keywords, but the products just don't cost a lot of money- sometimes it leads into higher priced items in the niche but it would equate to peanuts on amazon commission at my current rate with it. I do way better getting paid per click. My placement means I don't get tons of clicks but ratio of buys to clicks is good and that has this site make a good piece of income every month that I use to pay all hosting/service/subscription type fees that it just wouldn't generate if it were straight sales commission from amazon.
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            • Profile picture of the author markowe
              Originally Posted by edge83 View Post

              Congrats.

              After being with them for more than two years, here are a few things that have been 100% consistently the case for me.
              Dude, your experience is pretty much IDENTICAL to mine! Right down to the click price and the occasional tanking CPC.

              One experience I will add right now - I had one day with an abnormally high number of clicks (though I am pretty sure it wasn't a bot, it was just 50% up or something) and suddenly, just like that, my CPC went right down to zero! It's been there for a couple of days (though I had almost a month of it last November). Something's not right with that, I can't see that as a correction, there are just some really weird things with EPN. But then someone buys a $2000 musical instrument and it's all smiles again!

              Although I have a vested interested of sorts in EPN it's very much a love-hate thing, and I definitely want to diversify.
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            • Profile picture of the author EmilyRoseSanders
              Originally Posted by edge83 View Post

              Congrats.
              Basically you want to keep things so that you aren't getting tons of clicks for clicks sake, the ratio of buys to clicks.. the better that is, the better for you. If you start trying to boost clicks thinking "sweet, 0.13 for every click, let's get more clicks" that has always backfired for me big time.

              For this reason - and this is the only time I started making money with EPN, auctions are the very last thing on my page. All my content is there and the auctions are there as an afterthought, there is no call to action about them at all.

              I never made a single sale until I did what I just described. February had near daily sales.

              Oh, also, it seems to be about 10-13 days. If you go that long without a sale, you are at 0.00 for every click. Get one sale and I'm back to where I was.. fortunately this barely happens to me anymore.

              Hopefully this helps.

              For the particular site I use it for, EPN is best - it's quite niche and #1 for many keywords, but the products just don't cost a lot of money- sometimes it leads into higher priced items in the niche but it would equate to peanuts on amazon commission at my current rate with it. I do way better getting paid per click. My placement means I don't get tons of clicks but ratio of buys to clicks is good and that has this site make a good piece of income every month that I use to pay all hosting/service/subscription type fees that it just wouldn't generate if it were straight sales commission from amazon.
              Thanks for this. Have been looking all over for some decent info on how to play ebay. Didn't realise that if you went 10 days without sales they tanked your payment per click. Will try to put the widgets only on posts that actually convert.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Well done, I take a close interest in this topic - did you know that 90% of people get rejected for EPN?! (as stated by the boss-man at EPN Chas Wermaker in a video recently) Pretty crazy, but I think a lot of people are not taking some of the simple steps that you did because so many affiliate programs are basically 'auto-approve' so they don't really make an effort with EPN and get rejected.

    The fact is the EPN (formerly operated through CJ) was HEAVILY defrauded in the old days and now they are a whole lot more careful about whom they accept.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Congratulations mate. I applied a few years ago and got rejected, probably because I wasn't getting enough traffic. I reckon only the medium to large traffic websites with proven affiliations with Amazon Associates get the majority of acceptances.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruth P
    Congrats on getting accepted! I've only ever been rejected in the past, like many others. It sounds like your detailed explanation of traffic methods and proof of prior success really helped. I'll definitely be using that if I apply again in future.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      Congratulations mate. I applied a few years ago and got rejected, probably because I wasn't getting enough traffic. I reckon only the medium to large traffic websites with proven affiliations with Amazon Associates get the majority of acceptances.
      Originally Posted by Ruth P View Post

      Congrats on getting accepted! I've only ever been rejected in the past, like many others. It sounds like your detailed explanation of traffic methods and proof of prior success really helped. I'll definitely be using that if I apply again in future.
      ~Ruth
      You definitely don't need HUGE amounts of traffic, just some stats that show you are getting targetted traffic for products that sell on eBay. Also I think it goes a long way if you give them a good explanation of your business model - how you are targetting visitors, what their demographic is, and why they will go on to buy from eBay.

      I think a great deal of would-be applicants just do not bother with this, yet it is not difficult really. Pick a little niche that there are listings for on eBay (reasonably), make a half-decent Wordpress-based site (hey, you are doing that ANYWAY, right?) that looks OK, has a dozen good pages of content that is helpful to visitors, and that can send BUYERS to eBay, not random clickers. And link to specific products, not just the eBay homepage, they DON'T like that.

      No, I don't believe you need a proven track record with Amazon or anyone, I just think they want to see that you are serious about your online business and can send them legitimate buyers. Good communication with them goes a long way, too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Oh, I wanted to comment on your, er, to-do list!

        I wouldn't advise going crazy with the eBay listings unless you have really solid content that will balance them out. I have made a lot of 'thin' eBay sites over the last few years, and very few of them did anything. Basically, if you are pulling eBay products through the RSS feed, that IS a kind of 'content' which you would expect to give you an SEO advantage too, but it leaves a footprint a mile wide and Google will definitely demote your site in the rankings if there is a lack of other content on your pages.

        Just go easy, is my advice - just put a few products on each page. Also, don't be disappointed if some pages/sites just don't convert. I recently had a site with great traffic, but it was in a home improvement niche, and the items on sale, well, people just don't buy them from eBay - they want to go and see them in a showroom. Needless to say I had very poor sales.

        The best converting items on eBay are still those that you won't see advertised through Adsense (otherwise, frankly, you are better off with Adsense) - used and collectors items still do very well. I have sold some seriously high ticket stuff like that, I think some kind of $10,000 antique vase was my record
        lol I put it on sites that I already make money through Amazon with and I didn't bother to go back and put one product in at a time. Instead I added a full page with nothing but Ebay listings, kind of like what you see on a lot of turn key sites that people sell. I have absolutely no intentions of ranking for that particular page. I'm just going to let the rest of the site's traffic do its work. Most of the people that go to my websites are buyers looking for either reviews and/or the best deals on products.

        Though I'm very happy to be accepted to the EPN, Ebay will always be second to Amazon in my eyes as far as specific product promotion.

        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        You definitely don't need HUGE amounts of traffic, just some stats that show you are getting targetted traffic for products that sell on eBay. Also I think it goes a long way if you give them a good explanation of your business model - how you are targetting visitors, what their demographic is, and why they will go on to buy from eBay.

        I think a great deal of would-be applicants just do not bother with this, yet it is not difficult really. Pick a little niche that there are listings for on eBay (reasonably), make a half-decent Wordpress-based site (hey, you are doing that ANYWAY, right?) that looks OK, has a dozen good pages of content that is helpful to visitors, and that can send BUYERS to eBay, not random clickers. And link to specific products, not just the eBay homepage, they DON'T like that.

        No, I don't believe you need a proven track record with Amazon or anyone, I just think they want to see that you are serious about your online business and can send them legitimate buyers. Good communication with them goes a long way, too.
        I can't really agree with you on this. As you said earlier, they reject 90% of people who apply, and I can't force myself to believe that 90% of the people that apply don't present them with a decent enough business plan to pass through.

        I re-applied with the same sites that I've been rejected with before (sites with over 50 pages of content that would appeal to Ebay buyers) and pretty much the same speal that I gave them last time except for that my marketing plan this time was much less detailed. I literally just said, "I do marketing through pinging, social bookmarking, and article marketing." Nothing impressive.

        Pretty much the only difference between this time and last time was adding that I'm making money with Amazon. And I was a bit afraid to do that because I didn't want to piss them off by mentioning a competitor, but since I figured I would be rejected anyways it didn't really matter. Do I think it helped? Well, unless they just randomly discriminate, I think it was probably one of the driving factors that got them to accept me, knowing that I'm earning decent money by selling their competitors products.

        Still, no one can convince me otherwise that they just reject people on a whim.
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

          lol I put it on sites that I already make money through Amazon with and I didn't bother to go back and put one product in at a time. Instead I added a full page with nothing but Ebay listings, kind of like what you see on a lot of turn key sites that people sell. I have absolutely no intentions of ranking for that particular page. I'm just going to let the rest of the site's traffic do its work. Most of the people that go to my websites are buyers looking for either reviews and/or the best deals on products.
          That works too Fair enough, though they have to click through to that page, so it's an extra step. Hopefully it won't adversely affect your rankings (shouldn't do) - Google just seems to see eBay content as 'thin', though that's true for any affiliate program.

          Though I'm very happy to be accepted to the EPN, Ebay will always be second to Amazon in my eyes as far as specific product promotion.
          Who knows, maybe you'll be surprised (I doubt it too, though, to be honest )

          I can't really agree with you on this. As you said earlier, they reject 90% of people who apply, and I can't force myself to believe that 90% of the people that apply don't present them with a decent enough business plan to pass through.

          I re-applied with the same sites that I've been rejected with before (sites with over 50 pages of content that would appeal to Ebay buyers) and pretty much the same speal that I gave them last time except for that my marketing plan this time was much less detailed. I literally just said, "I do marketing through pinging, social bookmarking, and article marketing." Nothing impressive.

          Pretty much the only difference between this time and last time was adding that I'm making money with Amazon. And I was a bit afraid to do that because I didn't want to piss them off by mentioning a competitor, but since I figured I would be rejected anyways it didn't really matter. Do I think it helped? Well, unless they just randomly discriminate, I think it was probably one of the driving factors that got them to accept me, knowing that I'm earning decent money by selling their competitors products.

          Still, no one can convince me otherwise that they just reject people on a whim.
          Ha, yeah, sounds like you ran into the right reviewer on the right day. I'm not saying their acceptance criteria aren't somewhat inconsistent, but there are things you can do to improve your chances and I certainly wouldn't have recommended THAT spiel you gave

          I really wouldn't be surprised if most of those 90% ARE basically making a random application without giving it any thought most of the time, because they are used to auto-approve affiliate programs, or easy-to-get-into ones like Amazon, so they just fire off the application with no thought. I heard Chas Wermaker (sp?), the EPN director, say that they get a good proportion of applications where the applicant hasn't even specified a business address. *shrug*

          Whatever their criteria exactly, there's no point in actively reducing your chances of getting in. Though your case disproves what someone said earlier (was it in this thread?) that you only get one chance at applying. Actually, you can go on applying indefinitely until you get it right, as far as I know

          Anyway, well done for getting in - would be interested to hear your performance with EPN after a few days. It can sometimes be REALLY bad - the earnings model is VERY vague, I would have given it up long ago if it weren't for the occasional big-ticket days and the ease of promoting eBay.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
            Originally Posted by markowe View Post

            That works too Fair enough, though they have to click through to that page, so it's an extra step. Hopefully it won't adversely affect your rankings (shouldn't do) - Google just seems to see eBay content as 'thin', though that's true for any affiliate program.



            Who knows, maybe you'll be surprised (I doubt it too, though, to be honest )



            Ha, yeah, sounds like you ran into the right reviewer on the right day. I'm not saying their acceptance criteria aren't somewhat inconsistent, but there are things you can do to improve your chances and I certainly wouldn't have recommended THAT spiel you gave

            I really wouldn't be surprised if most of those 90% ARE basically making a random application without giving it any thought most of the time, because they are used to auto-approve affiliate programs, or easy-to-get-into ones like Amazon, so they just fire off the application with no thought. I heard Chas Wermaker (sp?), the EPN director, say that they get a good proportion of applications where the applicant hasn't even specified a business address. *shrug*

            Whatever their criteria exactly, there's no point in actively reducing your chances of getting in. Though your case disproves what someone said earlier (was it in this thread?) that you only get one chance at applying. Actually, you can go on applying indefinitely until you get it right, as far as I know

            Anyway, well done for getting in - would be interested to hear your performance with EPN after a few days. It can sometimes be REALLY bad - the earnings model is VERY vague, I would have given it up long ago if it weren't for the occasional big-ticket days and the ease of promoting eBay.
            The first time I applied, I honestly didn't put much effort into it for the same reason that you mentioned above, I was so used to being effortlessly accepted into affiliate networks that I didn't think it was a big deal. lol

            The second time I was thinking, "Darn it, I want in." lol So I wrote them a novel on my marketing tactics and why they should accept me. :p

            This time I was thinking, "Mer, what the hell, I'll try it again." Better effort than the first time, much less effort than the second time.

            It's kind of funny. Yesterday when i got accepted I was thinking about how much I would bank with it. Today I'm thinking more on the realistic side of things. We'll see how it does though. Perhaps I'll report back in a week and let you guys know if I've made anything. I currently have EPN running on about 10 websites.

            You aren't kidding about their earnings model being vague. I don't even think I was able to find a number on the entire site. In fact, let me cut and paste so that I can give people who haven't gotten into the EPN a more precise visual of what to expect.

            "
            My Program Details eBay US
            Advertiser: eBay US
            Participating Sites and Content: eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices
            Payment Structure:
            • Qualifying Transactions:
              • Click: A deliberate and voluntary click by an end user on a Link that directs him to Participating Sites and Content.
            • Compensation:
              • Quality Click Pricing:
                eBay Partner Network will pay for each qualifying click sent to this program. The price paid will depend on the traffic's quality - the more incremental revenue the traffic generates for eBay, the higher the amount paid per click. The quality of the traffic will be assessed using a number of different factors, including revenue from sales and the long term value of new users, as today, but also eBay advertising and PayPal revenue, and user engagement. Essentially, the more incremental revenue your traffic generates for eBay, the more you'll be paid per click.
                Just as in the prior CPA system, there is no limit to the total amount you can earn under Quality Click Pricing. On average across eBay Partner Network, publishers make between $0.06 and $0.21 per click sent to eBay. Note that this varies among programs based on the economics of each program. Publishers sending high quality, targeted traffic can make much more. We have hundreds of publishers earning more than $0.40 per click. However, results will vary by business model as well as how targeted you are in driving traffic to your own site and then sending that traffic to eBay.

              Quality Click Pricing

              With Quality Click Pricing, we pay publishers for clicks sent to eBay sites. The amount paid per click (EPC) on a daily basis depends on the traffic’s quality. The quality of the traffic is assessed using a number of different factors, including revenue from sales and the long term value of new users, but also eBay advertising and PayPal revenue and other user behaviour factors. Essentially, the more incremental revenue your traffic generates for eBay, the more you’ll be paid per click.
              Key Benefits:

              1. As the payout will be more closely aligned with traffic quality, we will pay more to good publishers per click, regardless of the size of the publisher.
              2. Simplifies the commission structure
              3. Publishers are rewarded for multiple sources of value, such as revenue from advertising on eBay pages and PayPal transactions
              4. The EPC is visible the very next day (Mountain Standard Time) and is more stable on a day-to-day basis.

              EPC Amount Posted


              After you deliver traffic to eBay, we assess the quality of those clicks and then post an EPC amount. Here’s more info about the EPC:
              • The EPC (earnings per click) amount will be posted the day after you clicks were delivered to eBay. Please note that eBay Partner Network works on Mountain Standard Time, GMT -7 hours.
              • Once posted, the EPC amount for a particular day will not change.
              • In the summary reports, the EPC Rate is displayed at a Program level (e.g. eBay US or eBay FR) and also at a Campaign level.
              • You can view the aggregate network and program level EPC on the publisher dashboard. More details, including the campaign level EPC Amounts, are available in the Reports tab.
              • EPCs will vary from publisher to publisher, depending on the quality of their traffic; and from program to program, due to different market conditions.
              • The EPC can be 0 if your traffic drives no revenue.
              • The EPC is available at Campaign level to allow you to optimize.
              • If you drive only a small number of clicks a day to eBay, you will receivea default EPC amount, which is equivalent to the EPC amount of all small publishers pooled together. If you believe your traffic is worth more than the default amount, then send more traffic of the same quality to eBay to see if your EPC increases"
            Definitely a bit sketchy concerning finding out how much you can earn. That was pulled from several different parts of the site, btw.
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            • Profile picture of the author MoneyVideo
              Well, you might think of this as a joke. But, I would suggest..make a video and share your feelings and thoughts and the process to get approved. You can make thousands of dollar by selling this video ..sure...
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              • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
                Originally Posted by MoneyVideo View Post

                Well, you might think of this as a joke. But, I would suggest..make a video and share your feelings and thoughts and the process to get approved. You can make thousands of dollar by selling this video ..sure...
                I'm still unsure of why people are asking me to make a WSO out of a process that isn't a science. I couldn't, in my heart of hearts, sell something that I'm not 100% sure has some type of guaranteed process behind it.

                As I have said before, I can't be convinced otherwise that this was just luck of whoever was reviewing my application was in a good mood.
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              • Profile picture of the author celente
                Originally Posted by MoneyVideo View Post

                Well, you might think of this as a joke. But, I would suggest..make a video and share your feelings and thoughts and the process to get approved. You can make thousands of dollar by selling this video ..sure...
                I actually know someone in denmark who does this. And uses ppc to flog it. does really well on teh backend too.
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                • Profile picture of the author markowe
                  Originally Posted by celente View Post

                  I actually know someone in denmark who does this. And uses ppc to flog it. does really well on teh backend too.
                  Ha, they've made is so difficult people are actually making a business out of it. It's like membership of some secret society, ha! It's not THAT amazing, it's another nice income stream with certain benefits other programs don't have, but downsides too. Which leads me to...

                  Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

                  I'm pretty convinced at this point that EPN doesn't have accurate click tracking. I have a widget on one of my sites that tracks the number of clicks that a certain ad gets. It says that my Ebay ad had received 7 clicks (before I disabled the ad) and yet none of them display in my EPN control panel.
                  There has been a fair bit of doubt about EPN's tracking but personally that's one of things I HAVEN'T had an issue with - I get a pretty close correlation, but I use a PHP stats counter. I wouldn't trust a Javascript widget to track accurately. The PHP code hooks off my redirect and infallibly tells me which links were clicked on.

                  Also bot clicks are discounted by EPN, pretty accurately too it seems to me - I have had days where some bot has gone crazy on my links and there has been nary a blip in my EPN stats.

                  Not defending the system entirely, just suggesting some ideas why the discrepancy.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

    Yay me! On today's list of things to do - slap up an Ebay listing page on all of my affiliate sites.
    Oh, I wanted to comment on your, er, to-do list!

    I wouldn't advise going crazy with the eBay listings unless you have really solid content that will balance them out. I have made a lot of 'thin' eBay sites over the last few years, and very few of them did anything. Basically, if you are pulling eBay products through the RSS feed, that IS a kind of 'content' which you would expect to give you an SEO advantage too, but it leaves a footprint a mile wide and Google will definitely demote your site in the rankings if there is a lack of other content on your pages.

    Just go easy, is my advice - just put a few products on each page. Also, don't be disappointed if some pages/sites just don't convert. I recently had a site with great traffic, but it was in a home improvement niche, and the items on sale, well, people just don't buy them from eBay - they want to go and see them in a showroom. Needless to say I had very poor sales.

    The best converting items on eBay are still those that you won't see advertised through Adsense (otherwise, frankly, you are better off with Adsense) - used and collectors items still do very well. I have sold some seriously high ticket stuff like that, I think some kind of $10,000 antique vase was my record
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  • Profile picture of the author Gail Sober
    Maybe this has something to do with their new pricing structure and wanting to get the word out and maybe an influx of new "potential sellers" since they can list for free now.

    I was approved years ago and did basically the same thing you did.

    I think there was some ebay storefront building software that was kicking out hundreds if not thousands of pretty much identical sites at one point (I won't mention the name of it) and google ended up burying most of those sites and that seems like when ebay tightened things up.

    Who knows though, that's all speculation on my part.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Gail Sober View Post

      Maybe this has something to do with their new pricing structure and wanting to get the word out and maybe an influx of new "potential sellers" since they can list for free now.

      I was approved years ago and did basically the same thing you did.

      I think there was some ebay storefront building software that was kicking out hundreds if not thousands of pretty much identical sites at one point (I won't mention the name of it) and google ended up burying most of those sites and that seems like when ebay tightened things up.

      Who knows though, that's all speculation on my part.

      Congrats
      I had thought about that being one reason why I was accepted. Perhaps will the change in the pricing structure they're now looking to bring on new affiliates to help supplement the income they'll lose from eliminating their listing fees.

      I also know about the software that you're talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author sidharthbanyal
    congrats i got rejected twice. Didn't applied again.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Yeah, the aforementioned software got pretty much, er, BANned by Google - I wonder if there are ANY sites out there still ranking that are running on that script! It was nice while it lasted, I guess

    As for teaching others the process, yeah, it's so hit-and-miss, all you can do is give a 'best practice' scenario and hope it works. If it's not already obvious, it's usually the site that gets people rejected at the end of the day, assuming they've done all the other stuff like make sure they have supplied full business info and a valid phone number! And the problem is the site is the aspect that is least explained by EPN except in vague terms. I tried to make a bit of sense out of it in the article I mention in my sig, but there are still a fair few question marks. There are even guys offering services to build websites that will get you into EPN - they must have some sort of arcane, hidden knowledge that they are keeping to themselves, ha!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      There are even guys offering services to build websites that will get you into EPN - they must have some sort of arcane, hidden knowledge that they are keeping to themselves, ha!
      lol Idk about that. I bought a website from one of those 'guys' and still got rejected. That was my first go round. Luckily they refunded me the price of the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author vheissu28
    Wow, that's great!

    Ebay is rigid on who they let into their program . . .

    You're in the big time now.
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  • Profile picture of the author raven007
    Hi, I got approved by EPN the other day. Really pleased. Would really appreciate what you guys would do once you get approved.......would you dump amazon and concentrate on ebay for example?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by raven007 View Post

      Hi, I got approved by EPN the other day. Really pleased. Would really appreciate what you guys would do once you get approved.......would you dump amazon and concentrate on ebay for example?
      Oh heck no! lol I hate to say it, but for the types of websites that I build, it's so much easier to use Amazon as opposed to Ebay on them. I personally think that the Amazon affiliate tools are much cleaner looking than Ebay. Plus, I do a lot of hyperlinking and I'm still trying to figure out what exactly my affiliate link for Ebay is.

      I told myself I'd never use Ebay as the prime offer for an affiliate product, but I actually made a page on one of my websites today where I did that. We'll see how it goes.

      Other than that I only use their Editors Kit to create pages of nothing but Ebay products.

      I'm also still trying to figure out how their click tracking works. In the 1 day that I've had EPN on my sites I got 2 clicks . . . >_> which I honestly think were my own (whoops). They're paying me $0.10 per click for right now. I certainly hope their tracking system can weed out clicks that I place . . . otherwise I don't see how they keep their affiliates from screwing them over. If anyone knows about this, I'd greatly appreciate it if they chimed in.

      Nevermind, I just found this:

      "You will not be compensated for invalid click activity, consisting of any clicks and impressions that may artificially inflate a publisher's earnings. This includes, but is not limited to, clicks or impressions generated by a publisher clicking on his own ads, automated clicking tools or traffic sources, robots, or other deceptive software. Invalid click and impression activity will not be reflected in your reports. To be considered valid, clicks and conversions must result from genuine user interest. Any method that artificially generates clicks, impressions, or activity is strictly prohibited by our Network Agreement, Code of Conduct, and Program Terms."

      By the way guys, I'm really thinking that now would be the time to apply if you either haven't applied or have applied before and been rejected. I have a feeling they're gearing up for their new pricing structure change.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
    lol You guys make EPN sound kind of crappy, no offense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
    I'm pretty convinced at this point that EPN doesn't have accurate click tracking. I have a widget on one of my sites that tracks the number of clicks that a certain ad gets. It says that my Ebay ad had received 7 clicks (before I disabled the ad) and yet none of them display in my EPN control panel.
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  • Profile picture of the author gchagasteam
    congrats Ofthemix! I was rejected by EPN twice also, going for the 3rd. Tell me what you did to get accepted.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    Congrats ... I gave up on it after a couple of rejections.
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  • Profile picture of the author SebastianJ
    Congratulations!

    I was also rejected by EPN first - but I got accepted on my second try - and I just re-submitted my original application!

    EPN is awesome, I make a few thousand dollars through them and EPN makes me about 90% of my affiliate income right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author mitoshthewarrior
    EPN is pretty easy to get into if you don't mind getting your hands dirty. In fact getting multiple accounts is just as easy. Purely white hat, yeah it's a bitch.


    Two things that will help keep your CPC high (or at least decent) is it to use PHPBay & OneLung's QCB plugins. These will reduce your garbage clicks and prevent your CPC from tanking form bots and other fraudulent clicks. It isn't perfect, but it does help a lot.
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    • What do you consider a high CPC?

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      • Profile picture of the author mitoshthewarrior
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        What do you consider a high CPC?

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        $1+ but with Ebay anything over $.5 is good. Average is $.07 - $.21 for US affiliates.
        Get below $.03 for long and you are at risk of being banned.
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        • Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior View Post

          $1+ but with Ebay anything over $.5 is good. Average is $.07 - $.21 for US affiliates.
          Get below $.03 for long and you are at risk of being banned.
          That's good to know, thanks.

          I am currently at $.13 but have been as low as $.07. It's a tough way to make money.

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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

    I'm pretty much just making this thread out of pure joy. lol After getting rejected twice already, Ebay finally let me into their affiliate program. Yay me! On today's list of things to do - slap up an Ebay listing page on all of my affiliate sites.
    Sorry - But I'm a natural worry wart.

    You may want to make sure you don't violate any of eBays T&Cs on the other affiliate sites before you jump on that.

    Or you may lose the EPN status you worked so hard for.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    Congratulation, I applied once over 6 months ago, and they brought me down, since then I didn't really bother applying again
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Cashins
    Wow, congrats. I didn't think they were giving out EPN accounts anymore,lol. In all honesty good luck and keep the click through solid and welcome to the club!
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  • Profile picture of the author Reed7
    What a terrific accomplishment, many never get accepted, most have to fight for it many times over, almost always takes a long time, this must be a new record...!

    -Congratulations-Great News/ Made my day ...!
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    • Profile picture of the author ThanksGod
      I am starting to build few sites.
      Hope I can make some extra money from EPN.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    I don't understand the problem, I applied once and got accepted first time within 2 days.
    I was phoned by ebay and asked what domains I had used when applying and I couldnt remember off the top of my head because I listed about 5 and 4 had not even got so much as an index page on them, just empty and fresh from being setup on a hosting account.

    I think with 99% of affiliate or partner or developer accounts its a case of being 100% honest and providing your real name address and phone numbers.
    Also your domains whois must match the details you use to apply to these types of accounts.
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  • Profile picture of the author mert
    I missed the old days of EPN. Are they still giving commision for ACRU?
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by mert View Post

      I missed the old days of EPN. Are they still giving commision for ACRU?
      Naah, well, they are, but it's not a flat $25-$50 any more (ah, happy days!), now it's absorbed into their arcane CPC model, and you do get a spike in earnings, but it's impossible to gauge how much you got.

      Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

      I don't understand the problem, I applied once and got accepted first time within 2 days.
      A lot of people get refused just because they don't put any effort into their application or don't provide basic information, or have a crappy site. It doesn't have to be amazing, but there was a guy on the Adsense forum the other day complaining that he got refused by EPN. When I looked at his site, it looked nice, but it was obviously a PLR job - I found gazillions of copies of the same site all over the Internet. And he wonders why he got refused!

      I mean... Most applicants just need to read the instructions!!
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      • Profile picture of the author chuckle
        Hi

        Had not realised EPN was such a difficult club to get into :-) I signed way back when it was run by CJ, it did seem pretty much an apply and your in job then.

        Earned a little bit of money with it then, followed EPN across from CJ to eBay and done nothing with it since.

        Starting to build some niche Wordpress based sites again now, putting some relevant eBay listings on them at the bottom of the page, below the rest of the page content and see how it goes.

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  • Profile picture of the author scout99
    I just got accepted to EPN on my first try. Have never had kind of ads on my site (design blog) so maybe they are loosening up their qualifications. It did take about a week, though, and it was mostly just to verify that I was the real owner of the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author marco005
      Hi,

      there are some free wp plugins to make money with ebay.

      But I miss one big point here; Does you make good money with EPN or does adsense payout more? And how do make money with EPN (good free wso about that?).

      And what kind is that, a blog with monthly 30.000 visitors makes no money with direct linking to relevant amazon products?????? How can that be?

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  • Profile picture of the author RobusCop
    Love EPN at the moment
    Since the domain validation change in February its been a solid source of income for me
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    A lot of it comes down to the opinion of the person reviewing your site. If they think you've got a decent site, you're getting in. Few people can produce a decent site though, so the denial rate is very high.
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  • Profile picture of the author Facebookcash
    Awesome! How did you get accepted? I'm still waiting.
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