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I'm a beginner myself who hasn't taken any action. But I now now its definitely WAY to late now to even try!
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  • Profile picture of the author waterburn
    It's never too late. Read hxxp://associateprograms.com/articles/1032/1/SBI-vs-Google-Farmer---Ken-Evoys-Response/

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by cantfigureout View Post

    I'm a beginner myself who hasn't taken any action. But I now now its definitely WAY to late now to even try!
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    I couldn't disagree more.

    If you think an online business is a get rich quick scheme or if you want to just produce rubbish and spam the web with it, then yes, it may be difficult for you.

    If however you think this is a business and it requires work and effort then it isn't over.

    Did you actually read the whole article? It's actually a pitch. The last sentence is...

    If you're interested in learning our SEO content writing practices, check back later this week for our SEO content writing report. We hope it proves helpful and welcome an opportunity to personally work with you improve your copy for Google ranking success.
    Finally, if you think it's way too late for you to try, you're probably right.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      I couldn't disagree more.

      If you think an online business is a get rich quick scheme or if you want to just produce rubbish and spam the web with it, then yes, it may be difficult for you.

      If however you think this is a business and it requires work and effort then it isn't over.

      Did you actually read the whole article? It's actually a pitch. The last sentence is...



      Finally, if you think it's way too late for you to try, you're probably right.
      I have to agree with Richard 110%. This business is definitely not a get rich quick job for anyone I've met or talked to online. It requires a mindset of determination and persistence along with the ability to learn a LOT of information and then apply it. If you are already talking about quitting before you even get started then that sort of thinking may make things even more difficult. Change your mindset, get excited and shoot for the stars!
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Well said Larry.

        The thing is the place the OP's linking too isn't something that should frighten anyone anyway. One of the gems of the site is this...

        Google wants to see higher quality content on websites and blogs. They created Panda to weed out content farms, those backlinking systems that game the search engines, to increase visibility on the search results pages
        All the site is doing is the old, "Oooh be scared, you're doomed, however we are doing well still and we can show you how we do it" trick.

        I can't quite understand why that site would put anyone off.

        Cantfigureitout. Have a look throught the forum for threads on the Panda/Farmer update. It's been discussed quite a bit and when you realise it's actually not a bad thing at all, hopefully you'll feel a bit more confident getting your IM career off the ground.

        Good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          All the site is doing is the old, "Oooh be scared, you're doomed, however we are doing well still and we can show you how we do it" trick.

          I can't quite understand why that site would put anyone off.
          Yep. And everytime a big update happens at Google the sky is always falling. Yet, IMers are still here... :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Yes, I suggest all beginners and newbies just quit now. It is all over for you. :p

            So, let me ask the OP this question.

            Suppose I have a brand spanking new product/idea. And so I am the first one to write content on this, and coin a new keyword phrase.

            Do you think I have a chance?

            What happens if Google disappears tomorrow. Do you think someone will stop using all the search engines? Is Google the only one out there?

            Could I possibly create a Facebook group, and find others interested in my product or service, and drive traffic from there?

            Could I perhaps make an ad in the local papers, or a magazine on the topic of my niche, and drive some people in who directly type in my website?

            Can someone make sales even if they don't rank in google? I wonder......
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Come on Jill,

              It's all those fairies you keep talking to.

              Lets face facts...this will be unsettling for you....We're all doooomed .
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              • Profile picture of the author Dheer
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                Come on Jill,

                It's all those fairies you keep talking to.

                Lets face facts...this will be unsettling for you....We're all doooomed .

                hey dude I know you are trying to make your journey way more easier to less saturate the market. But don't think with your above comments it will impact on a determined person.

                There is always a big room in IM and everyone can make money and will make.

                Don't think like this way:- We have enough doctors in the country and we have stopped all the medical courses as we don't need new doctors anymore.
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by Dheer View Post

                  hey dude I know you are trying to make your journey way more easier to less saturate the market. But don't think with your above comments it will impact on a determined person.

                  There is always a big room in IM and everyone can make money and will make.

                  Don't think like this way:- We have enough doctors in the country and we have stopped all the medical courses as we don't need new doctors anymore.
                  Sorry Dheer, you seem to have mistaken what I said, it was a joke. You can see that from the two previous posts I made.

                  I don't need to say things like that to make my journey easier. I'm in charge of my life and that's fairly straight forward.

                  We have enough doctors in the country and we have stopped all the medical courses as we don't need new doctors anymore.
                  Not sure what country you're in but why on Earth would any country stop it's medical courses? You may have enough today but what about next year and the one after that...What country are you in? I'd be interested in looking up what possible reason they have for not making any more doctors. Seems a silly idea to me.

                  As for impacting a determined person, no it won't stop them, they're determined, right? If they gave up on account of that one post then how can they be called determined?

                  If you read the two posts I made before the one you commented on you can see I was trying to show the OP the link he/she inserted isn't a bad thing, hence my comment...

                  Have a look throught the forum for threads on the Panda/Farmer update. It's been discussed quite a bit and when you realise it's actually not a bad thing at all, hopefully you'll feel a bit more confident getting your IM career off the ground.

                  Good luck.
                  As for your comment...

                  There is always a big room in IM and everyone can make money and will make.
                  Does everyone that starts up a business make money? No. Are all the people in IM going to make money? No.

                  This is business, it's not easy. It's not some easy way out. That's a fact. Not everyone in IM will make money.
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            • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
              The truth about Google is you shouldn't worry about keywords. Steve Pavlina said that long time ago and now it is more true than before. Focus on good content and building some links and you'll get your reward in the long-term.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmartHealthShop
    its never to late to start but it gets more challenging every day to rank well due to competition and algorithms - if you focus on creating original content for people to read and engage on your site and keep at it for years then even a beginner can find success.

    everyones a beginner at some point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparklesperson
    And not everybody relies on Google for traffic. There are other sources.. perish the thought..
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    • Profile picture of the author xtrapunch
      Originally Posted by Sparklesperson View Post

      And not everybody relies on Google for traffic. There are other sources.. perish the thought..
      I guess a lot of people do rely on Google for traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    It has become a little harder especially if you are using Google for traffic but that does not mean to say it is too late.

    As for recent algorithm changes, I am sure there has been some changes on the types of backlinks Google is willing to accept but most of the news has been about Content and the Farmer.
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  • Profile picture of the author bogdan247
    I don't think it's impossible to succeed now. In fact, the guys who started 10 years ago probably think that it's much easier these days to begin, with all the information available freely. They had to discover everything back then, remember?
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    To late for beginners
    Yes,

    The easy days when $100 bills would shoot out of your USB port are behind us.
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    • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
      Ahh c'mon man stop feeling sorry for yourself, if you think it's too late then for you it is.

      For everyone else it's a good opportunity. I've got a site that get 2000 visitors a day 100 come from Google.. maybe I should pack up now and go and become a pool cleaner
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      Yes,

      The easy days when $100 bills would shoot out of your USB port are behind us.
      Silly. Everyone knows they would shoot out of the CD Rom. A USB port is way too small for bills to come out. They would be all wrinkled - not crisp like you see in the pictures.


      Richard - I am stockpiling ice for your arrival. The fairies seem to be attracted to the smell of vodka - and I will be placing that around the house as well. In all corners.
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    It was never easy. Not ever. Perhaps with enough horsehoes up you a$$ you could become that 1 in 5 000 000 who actually make "5 Figures In A Month Online" in a few weeks, but for the rest of us, IM is like anything else in this life. To get what you want from it, you have to put tireless energy into it - along with a belief in yourself that isn't easy for some.

    Google's update only made things harder for people who have no business being in IM in the first place. Google just devalued one technique that was used by certain types to "game" the system. Expect more of this to come. So here's an idea... don't come at IM as a business you can "game" for quick cash. Come at this business adding value straight out of the gate, and you'll cruise past every single update google hands this industry, every time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenwrites
      What's Google?????? LOL

      Too late? Never.

      As a matter of fact, if you look at it perhaps this is the best time. Sub-par content getting pushed to the back of the line so high quality useful content is pushed up in the rankings.

      Just had someone post a question on my blog about whether a certain CB product I promote would still work since the Google update. Sure it works as long as you work it. Google changes all the time. Big deal. If you are driving traffic by supplying your potential customers with quality useful information, promoting a product or products that are useful and you would place your good name behind them then Google changes should only be a hiccup in your business.

      This is not get rich quick. This is business. Whether its marketing or writing web content, it is a business.

      Quality, value, consistency and time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
      Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

      It was never easy. Not ever. Perhaps with enough horsehoes up you a$$ you could become that 1 in 5 000 000 who actually make "5 Figures In A Month Online" in a few weeks, but for the rest of us, IM is like anything else in this life. To get what you want from it, you have to put tireless energy into it - along with a belief in yourself that isn't easy for some.

      Google's update only made things harder for people who have no business being in IM in the first place. Google just devalued one technique that was used by certain types to "game" the system. Expect more of this to come. So here's an idea... don't come at IM as a business you can "game" for quick cash. Come at this business adding value straight out of the gate, and you'll cruise past every single update google hands this industry, every time.
      100% agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Critic
    If you are one of those who want to add more crap to the internet you deserve to be hunted down by Google and be punished for it.

    If you are not, the opportunity is there, you just need to add quality content to the web and you can succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Critic View Post

      If you are one of those who want to add more crap to the internet you deserve to be hunted down by Google and be punished for it.
      I like this, I might use it in copy.

      Google will hunt you down and punish you. Horribly.

      Bit dramatic but it gets the point across beautifully.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingMembers
      Originally Posted by Critic View Post

      If you are one of those who want to add more crap to the internet you deserve to be hunted down by Google and be punished for it.

      If you are not, the opportunity is there, you just need to add quality content to the web and you can succeed.
      I couldn't agree more. Very nicely stated
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    Its never too late. I have done some pretty bad mistakes and im not really happy right now. Work hard and try to establish a plan.
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    • Profile picture of the author bross
      Of course, It`s never too late! I started with IM two months ago and since then I`ve become quite successful. I will even have my first product finished in a few days..

      Just don`t think of anything like that. Keep working and money will come, for sure
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  • Profile picture of the author sidharthbanyal
    Its never too late to start. I am a beginner and started my career as a web developer but very much interested now in seo. I am learning new things every day and very much confident of my success. Whatever you do you have to start one day. It doesn't matter when you started but waht matter is how far you want to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author cantfigureout
    Read all the post, that really cheered me up matter of fact. I really thought I had no chance of taking in part of the game only because I didn't start up sooner. I was better off regretting and whining but NO, there is still slight chance of making a dime on the internet.

    But if you think about it, producing 'quality content' on a product which is already marketed is much more difficuilt instead of just publishing random content and boosting its ranking via backlinks. But now, according to the article regarding Google, the effects of backlinking seems to be turned off. Which now means spending MUCH more time on single piece of product and promoting it every time with unique 'quality' content.

    All this means is now cash to time ratio is significantly should decrease i.e will take much more time generating money then before.

    Also, we need WSO's VERISON 2.0 PANDA EDITION!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You are still just being negative.

      Of course it's more difficult to create original content than to simply copy what you find that others created. Why would that be a surprise? Quality always take more effort to create in anything you do.

      We don't need another WSO to explain what is explained through other threads here. The google changes are what they are - and those of us who work online adjust and move on. Change happens a lot online.

      Over the years I've watched methods rise and fall depending on google's updates and changes. The changes are usually a direct result of one or several methods being overused and abused (like backlinking) - so google makes changes to disallow the abuse.

      The "cash to time" ratio is something newbies have to figure out - most start with the idea of doing a bit of work and watching money roll in. Usually - when you start you do a lot of work and money trickles in.

      In the end - you either do it or you don't. Your choice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by cantfigureout View Post

      but NO, there is still slight chance of making a dime on the internet.

      But if you think about it, producing 'quality content' on a product which is already marketed is much more difficuilt instead of just publishing random content and boosting its ranking via backlinks. But now, according to the article regarding Google, the effects of backlinking seems to be turned off. Which now means spending MUCH more time on single piece of product and promoting it every time with unique 'quality' content.

      All this means is now cash to time ratio is significantly should decrease i.e will take much more time generating money then before.
      but NO, there is still slight chance of making a dime on the internet.
      Well I do ok. Many others do and will continue to do, very well. Only in your mind, is there a slight chance.

      Sorry chap but reading this does indicate the get rich now mentality that drags so many into this game.

      But if you think about it, producing 'quality content' on a product which is already marketed is much more difficuilt instead of just publishing random content and boosting its ranking via backlinks.
      Indeed it is more difficult. Why do you want to publish "random" content and fire backlinks at it? Do you want a business? That's the same as saying "I want to clean windows", rather than saying "I want to run the window cleaning business".

      Which now means spending MUCH more time on single piece of product and promoting it every time with unique 'quality' content.
      With all due respect, how much time are you willing to spend, to live the life you want to achieve? Will you do anything you can for it or will you only go for it if it's easy? Dude, since when has life been easy?

      There's always hit and hope on the lottery if this doesn't appeal to you (?)

      All this means is now cash to time ratio is significantly should decrease i.e will take much more time generating money then before.
      Again that completely depends on whether you think this is just some easy to make money business and the money just comes for nothing (where I come from we call it robbing banks) or you want a long term, sustainable business, that you work hard for, that in time, works for you.

      I'd say you think this is the "robbing banks" version.

      In which case, it may well be over for you, unless you take the advice in this thread, which is very good.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Just because Google has changed their algorithms doesn't mean it's too late for beginners. Somebody out there is doing something right to get on page 1. Find out what those sites are, reverse engineer their SEO techniques and duplicate the process as many times as you can until you achieve the same results.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    There was an internet gold rush in the 90's, but that is over. OK so now you have to work hard for success. Still, it is not impossible for you. Key is to do what you enjoy. That way you will be very happy in your area.
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  • Profile picture of the author Point Blank
    Just keep this thought in mind, once you start your already half way done.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by cantfigureout View Post

    I'm a beginner myself who hasn't taken any action. But I now now its definitely WAY to late now to even try!
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    Oh God yeah. If your business model was spewing SEO keyword garbage articles all over the Internet to get high ranking garbage delivered to searchers, then it's dead. Gone. Kaput.

    A lot of people actually have written quality, interesting content all along and have only gained by the recent Google Panda Bear/Farmer change.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejb2059
    If you've already given up before you started, why are you here?
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    • Profile picture of the author Christina Osorio
      Debated on if I should even post a reply cause nothing seems to be sinking in but I just started in IM and have produced a couple of quality info products. (I can say quality because of the number of sales vs. zero refunds.) It didn't take years. It took weeks. In both cases I made 4 figures and am still making money from them. I had no experience when I started and I made mistakes. What I did and do have is a serious commitment to build a long term business. Like any business when a challenge presents itself I face it and move on. I don't quit.

      If that's what you're into get started. If it's not good bye.

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Christina Osorio View Post

        Debated on if I should even post a reply cause nothing seems to be sinking in but I just started in IM and have produced a couple of quality info products. (I can say quality because of the number of sales vs. zero refunds.) It didn't take years. It took weeks. In both cases I made 4 figures and am still making money from them. I had no experience when I started and I made mistakes. What I did and do have is a serious commitment to build a long term business. Like any business when a challenge presents itself I face it and move on. I don't quit.

        If that's what you're into get started. If it's not good bye.

        Christina
        Brilliant Christina.

        It's exactly that attitude that got me from a place I was, without a roof to live under to where I am now. Never give up. Know when something isn't working but never give up.

        I'm very pleased to see with that attitude you're seeing results. I admire it, encourage it and recommend anyone else reading this thread to realise it too.

        Well done Christina and I wish you all the best for the future.
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      • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
        its definitely WAY to late now to even try!
        I agree! Now all you beginners, stop doing IM IMMEDIATELY!

        Less competition for me

        And no, I don't think it's too late - maybe for the scammers and spammers, but if you want to build a real business, now is the time (whenever 'now' is)!

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb D Miller
    Google is just trying to make things better for people.

    I know that I don't like to search for the answer to something only to land on a page with unreadable, unhelpful spun content. Do you?

    When you pick a low competition niche that you really care about and now about, the game starts to change. You produce better content. Write content that gets shared. Enjoy it and make money helping people.

    Don't give up, just keep digging and dig deeper!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by cantfigureout View Post

    I'm a beginner myself who hasn't taken any action. But I now now its definitely WAY to late now to even try!
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    This is scarcity thinking at it's worst. I have the complete opposite view. I've been online for over a decade and in my opinion, I see this period, right now, as the greatest time in history to get started. Even compared to the 1990s where all you had to do was send out an e-mail blast to your list and make an easy 3,4, and 5 figure payday.

    Google is actually less than 8% of all internet traffic (most people cite the famous 15% but in reality it's far, far less, especially when you in throw in mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets).

    Another thing to consider is that more and more internet marketers are using a hybrid model of offline and online marketing tactics. We use press releases, guest spots on radio shows, and are experimenting with local cable television. Mobile advertising is taking off, and these are just a few examples.

    So, no, the sky-is-not-falling; if nothing else, jump in now with the abundance of opportunities that are out there. Being a beginner today you have 100x more information that many of us had 5-10 years ago. Don't allow other people or media sources to dictate your destiny. I sure don't.

    Several new internet marketing millionaires are created every single day. And this trend will continue to grow, despite the economy because there are those that see opporunities and know how to jump on them.

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  • Profile picture of the author neojr
    Hi,

    I totally agree with Richard.

    Neo
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  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    From my point of view, this Google update was aimed only at content farms with scammy content and very low quality articles. If you write half decent content and publish it mainly on your own sites, not publishing badly spinned stuff in thousands of articles directories nothing much will change.

    But in some google searches the quality is still very bad though. You see pages and pages of automatically made for google sites with no content at all but the keywords stuffed in the URLs. I hope the next update is aimed at those.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I forgot which speaker said this, but it made a big impression on me many moons ago:

    "If Google going out of business puts you out of business, then you don't have a well-diversified, well-planned business strategy."

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  • Profile picture of the author donny531
    You can't worry about every little (or big) change google makes. I just read a Time magazine article that said google tests out something like 6000 changes to their algorithm a year and implements 500 annually. Thats like 1 and 1/3 changes a day. If you worried about everyone you would go crazy!

    Another thing the article said was that even tho sites like ezine were droping in rank sites like e-how were improving. So there are still oportunities out there to use.

    I dont know if all that is true. I'm sure there are some people here who know more but there is still money to be made out there sure it may take quality content but thats ok!
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  • Profile picture of the author jewel3000
    I'm sorry that you feel discouraged. You really needn't be. I think the point of Panda is that all of us should:

    1) post decent, original content that makes sense for people to read & use, and

    2) think very carefully about where you accept backlinks from.

    We just have to have more respect for how we contribute to the Internet.

    Mine is one of the sites that's benefited from Panda. That's probably because, as a copywriter, I care about trying to provide good, thorough content on my blog. (CopyClique.com). I also never chose to fill my site with ads.

    I'm glad that "little people" like you and me have a more fair chance to rise in the SERPs. That's what Panda has done so far, in my opinion. It's giving exposure to people who really try to give quality content, and not just buy a bunch of links to rise on the search pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejoliet31
    Forget the "too late" song and force yourself to do something... anything... that moves you toward positive action. I, for one, procrastinated for ... well more time than I want to admit online. I read everything, bought WSOs, studied, etc.

    Then I realized that I was just putting off really getting started. Here's my secret: Take some action doing something that you believe will work. It it doesn't work, see what you can tweak. If all that fails, move to something else.

    Bottom line: Most of us who are making shekels online didn't fall into success overnight. We went through the detour sometimes labeled "Failure." But it's only a detour, not a destination, unless you decide to quit there.

    As Winston Churchill reportedly said: "Never, never, never give up!"
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanT
    As many others have pointed out, it's never too late to get started in any business, online or offline.

    We've seen fast-food places for DECADES, yet new ones spring up all the time. There are always new clothing manufacturers, retail stores, and even car companies (which require HUGE investments).

    If it's not too late for those types of businesses, it's certainly not too late for an Internet business, which is still a relatively young industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Unique content blogs always there to compete.Try to avoid content farms
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