What do you think a newb should start out with?

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I was trying to ask myself what a newb should start out with. There are so many ways to make money online that it is sometimes hard to choose what to do. Should everyone be doing niche adsense sites? Should everyone do CPA? Should everyone try to flip websites? Should everyone try to build a list?

I don't think anyone could do all of these especially a newb. So what should a newb start with then considering the levels of difficulty of each online money making method?
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post


    Should everyone be doing niche adsense sites?
    No!

    Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post


    Should everyone do CPA?
    Don't be silly!

    Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post


    Should everyone try to flip websites?
    Of course not!

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    Should everyone try to build a list?
    Absolutely Yes!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      No!



      Don't be silly!



      Of course not!



      Absolutely Yes!
      HaHa Alright about the list building. I think that is a great idea because the sooner you build a list the better.
      I was just trying to point out that people have got to learn a lot. They think it is really easy but it is not. It only can be easy after learning how to do it correctly.
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    • Profile picture of the author DudleyDog
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Everyone should build a list
      Absolutely Yes!
      I didn't and it's absolutely not neccesary
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by DudleyDog View Post

        I didn't and it's absolutely not neccesary
        Nor did I (I started out doing AdSense and Amazon-monetised niche sites, with SEO for traffic) and I would agree that it's not always necessary to earn a decent, consistent income.

        However, it's not until you start building a list that you realise just how much money you were leaving on the table, and how inefficient your business was.

        Harnessing prospects' email addresses, and allowing yourself the ability to contact them over and over again, reduces your reliance on generating and receiving such a huge and constant turnover fresh, new traffic; it leaves you a little less immediately reliant on the continued availability of your traffic sources, too - whether that be traffic from search-engine rankings, sig-file referrals from a forum on which you're a member, banner advertisements, or PPC campaigns and so on.

        It's an asset, and it grants your business greater autonomy; it leaves it a little more impervious to the hiccups and uncertainties of outside forces over which you have very little (if any) control.

        The more you think about it, the more you realise - no matter what you're promoting/selling or what your business is - that it nearly always makes sense to capture your visitors' email addresses. It just helps toward maximising the efficiency of your business. Why let anyone get away when they needn't have to, and why restrict yourself to only cashing in on the relative minority of people who are prepared to take immediate action toward buying a product/service, when you might only have needed to have made subsequent contact a handful of times for them to open their wallets?

        Heck... I don't really care if it takes 365+ days and as many emails (through an autoresponder series I've gradually built up, for example) before someone buys: once they do, it's a sale I almost certainly wouldn't otherwise have made!

        I can't think of many cases in which there'd be disadvantages in regard to putting up an opt-in and engaging in list-building; I can think of many cases in which having a list could confer significant advantages - both short-term and long-term - in relation to your bottom-line. So long as it's mostly all upside and no downside, why would you dismiss or avoid it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Nor did I (I started out doing AdSense and Amazon-monetised niche sites, with SEO for traffic) and I would agree that it's not always necessary to earn a decent, consistent income.

          However, it's not until you start building a list that you realise just how much money you were leaving on the table, and how inefficient your business was.

          Harnessing prospects' email addresses, and allowing yourself the ability to contact them over and over again, reduces your reliance on generating and receiving such a huge and constant turnover fresh, new traffic; it leaves you a little less immediately reliant on the continued availability of your traffic sources, too - whether that be traffic from search-engine rankings, sig-file referrals from a forum on which you're a member, banner advertisements, or PPC campaigns and so on.

          It's an asset, and it grants your business greater autonomy; it leaves it a little more impervious to the hiccups and uncertainties of outside forces over which you have very little (if any) control.

          The more you think about it, the more you realise - no matter what you're promoting/selling or what your business is - that it nearly always makes sense to capture your visitors' email addresses. It just helps toward maximising the efficiency of your business. Why let anyone get away when they needn't have to, and why restrict yourself to only cashing in on the relative minority of people who are prepared to take immediate action toward buying a product/service, when you might only have needed to have made subsequent contact a handful of times for them to open their wallets?

          Heck... I don't really care if it takes 365+ days and as many emails (through an autoresponder series I've gradually built up, for example) before someone buys: once they do, it's a sale I almost certainly wouldn't otherwise have made!

          I can't think of many cases in which there'd be disadvantages in regard to putting up an opt-in and engaging in list-building; I can think of many cases in which having a list could confer significant advantages - both short-term and long-term - in relation to your bottom-line. So long as it's mostly all upside and no downside, why would you dismiss or avoid it?
          I agree that building a list does really add a ton of lifetime value and profits!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
    it sure is NOT easy for a newbie, lol.

    but hey, like any other business, you have to learn from the bottom, just have to put in the time and effort... i keep seeing this "build a list" phrase countless times. How the heck do you do that if you are doing CPA? you virtually never see the person who bought your offer, as an affiliate, i mean, i have not developed my own product yet. SO, is it impossible to build a list that way?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by Mly2000 View Post

      it sure is NOT easy for a newbie, lol.

      but hey, like any other business, you have to learn from the bottom, just have to put in the time and effort... i keep seeing this "build a list" phrase countless times. How the heck do you do that if you are doing CPA? you virtually never see the person who bought your offer, as an affiliate, i mean, i have not developed my own product yet. SO, is it impossible to build a list that way?
      This was exactly my point. I was trying to show that some things are easier than others to start out.

      For building a list, you have to find a good niche and then offer a freebie to get subscribers. You also have to get traffic to that opt in page. From there you can either promote clickbank products, amazon products, other cpa offers, or your own products. People say "build a list" but then most newbs have no idea HOW to do it. You must also learn the best ways to get conversions through your email marketing among other things.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        This was exactly my point. I was trying to show that some things are easier than others to start out.

        For building a list, you have to find a good niche and then offer a freebie to get subscribers. You also have to get traffic to that opt in page. From there you can either promote clickbank products, amazon products, other cpa offers, or your own products. People say "build a list" but then most newbs have no idea HOW to do it. You must also learn the best ways to get conversions through your email marketing among other things.
        once i find it i will click the "thank" button. That is the clearest and most to the point answer i have ever received. as soon as i get more savvy with building websites than i am now, i will launch something like that, appreciate the answer.
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        • Profile picture of the author mikeroosa
          Building a list can be difficult because you need .... TRAFFIC.

          If you can create a free product to give away then look into some of the jv giveaways or don't be afraid to spend a little money on a solo ad.
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          • Profile picture of the author php0606
            Originally Posted by mikeroosa View Post

            Building a list can be difficult because you need .... TRAFFIC.

            If you can create a free product to give away then look into some of the jv giveaways or don't be afraid to spend a little money on a solo ad.

            I absolutely agreed with this...build your list first because list is the most important for IMers especially to sell your own product or affiliate product...making list will help you to wave your sale...

            LIST = $$$$
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
              Originally Posted by php0606 View Post

              I absolutely agreed with this...build your list first because list is the most important for IMers especially to sell your own product or affiliate product...making list will help you to wave your sale...

              LIST = $$$$
              I agree with this somewhat but there are so many other ways to make money that you don't really need to build a list. There are tons of people who have lists who are promoting the same stuff to the same people. There's lots of competition unless you have something unique to offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Henry White
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        This was exactly my point. I was trying to show that some things are easier than others to start out.

        For building a list, you have to find a good niche and then offer a freebie to get subscribers. You also have to get traffic to that opt in page. From there you can either promote clickbank products, amazon products, other cpa offers, or your own products. People say "build a list" but then most newbs have no idea HOW to do it. You must also learn the best ways to get conversions through your email marketing among other things.
        Not all niches monetize equally well. And it's painfully obvious that most newbies are obsessed with monetization first when it should come last, while they're desparately trying to avoid doing everything that comes before the sales funnel when all that "stuff" is precisely what determines how much, how well, how fast they could be monetizing. If they could simply stop doing what they're doing now - which isn't exactly setting the IM world on fire now is it? - and think things through from the potential customer's point of view - WIIFM - each step along the way could be so much easier to nail.

        You can't make sound decisions without knowing all the options available.

        Knocking your out doing the wrong things or doing them in the wrong way or the wrong order isn't going to get you ranking or build your list or make any sales. Why is that so hard to grasp?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by hwhite View Post

          Not all niches monetize equally well. And it's painfully obvious that most newbies are obsessed with monetization first when it should come last, while they're desparately trying to avoid doing everything that comes before the sales funnel when all that "stuff" is precisely what determines how much, how well, how fast they could be monetizing. If they could simply stop doing what they're doing now - which isn't exactly setting the IM world on fire now is it? - and think things through from the potential customer's point of view - WIIFM - each step along the way could be so much easier to nail.

          You can't make sound decisions without knowing all the options available.

          Knocking your out doing the wrong things or doing them in the wrong way or the wrong order isn't going to get you ranking or build your list or make any sales. Why is that so hard to grasp?
          I agree. You do not need to monetize stuff instantly. That will come at a later date.
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        • Profile picture of the author malaika
          It truly is confusing out here. This is what I would recommend as its totally worked for me.
          1. Pay for the war room,
          2. Read about keyword research. There are different methods of doing it, so read all and select one you feel comfortable with and that has positive reviews/comments.
          3. Do keyword research and pick 4 keywords you can build sites on.
          4. Build your 4 sites on Wordpress, self hosted. If you can't afford that, build blogger sites..you get an Adsense account easily if you use blogger.
          5. Write good articles for each site, at least 10 articles per site and post 3 of them on the sites. Schedule the posting so that they go out every week. Submit the articles to Ezinearticles and other directories with a link back to your sites.
          6. Learn in the war room again how to social bookmark and do this.
          7. Go back to war room and read all you can about traffic generation. Create a plan that you can stick to for a month at least, and for a newbie, it surely will involve article marketing.
          8. Work your traffic generation plan DAILY!
          9. See your Adsense account begin to bring you money slowly.
          Your costs will be under $100 and lots of time.
          Once you are done with your daily plan, spend some time in the WAR ROOM learning more. You can then figure out slowly what direction you would like to go without spending too much money. There's invaluable resource in the war room. I started by reading all of the admin posts and digesting those and moving on from there.
          And yes, you do need to build a list. Its so true that the money is in the list.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by malaika View Post

            It truly is confusing out here. This is what I would recommend as its totally worked for me.
            1. Pay for the war room,
            2. Read about keyword research. There are different methods of doing it, so read all and select one you feel comfortable with and that has positive reviews/comments.
            3. Do keyword research and pick 4 keywords you can build sites on.
            4. Build your 4 sites on Wordpress, self hosted. If you can't afford that, build blogger sites..you get an Adsense account easily if you use blogger.
            5. Write good articles for each site, at least 10 articles per site and post 3 of them on the sites. Schedule the posting so that they go out every week. Submit the articles to Ezinearticles and other directories with a link back to your sites.
            6. Learn in the war room again how to social bookmark and do this.
            7. Go back to war room and read all you can about traffic generation. Create a plan that you can stick to for a month at least, and for a newbie, it surely will involve article marketing.
            8. Work your traffic generation plan DAILY!
            9. See your Adsense account begin to bring you money slowly.
            Your costs will be under $100 and lots of time.
            Once you are done with your daily plan, spend some time in the WAR ROOM learning more. You can then figure out slowly what direction you would like to go without spending too much money. There's invaluable resource in the war room. I started by reading all of the admin posts and digesting those and moving on from there.
            And yes, you do need to build a list. Its so true that the money is in the list.
            This is a solid plan that is pretty much evergreen, but I think you'll probably do better if you expand the monetization of your sites beyond just Adsense to affiliate products as well as CPA offers. By providing highly targeted offers that pay more than Adsense, you'll probably make significantly more money without really doing much additional work.
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        • Profile picture of the author King Louie
          It's so easy for people to say "build a list," but actually it's easier said than done. Do you think newbies will know how to build up and manage a mailing list? Most likely they'll lose their subscribers faster than they get them.

          So if you're a newbie, the best starting point for you is to be an affiliate for Clickbank, Commission Junction or Amazon. Study how to choose niches and do keyword research. Build a WordPress site and write review-type articles about the products you are promoting. Build backlinks to your site through article directories, social bookmarks, forum posts, blog comments, etc.

          Once you get a significant amount of traffic to your site, sign up for Aweber or any good autoresponder. Offer a free report or ebook in exchange for your visitors signing up to your mailing list. Every now and then, send an email to your subscribers promoting an affiliate product.

          You can then venture into creating your own information product. It's better since you can keep most of the profits instead of being an affiliate for someone else.
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          • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
            You are handing them a method to continue to give value to a growing list while still growing it.

            If you are submitting content to article directories, give that content to your list as well. They are, obviously, interested in the subject so there is added value here.

            There is no reason to not have the list being the forefront of your marketing efforts from the beginning.

            Originally Posted by Content Winner View Post

            It's so easy for people to say "build a list," but actually it's easier said than done. Do you think newbies will know how to build up and manage a mailing list? Most likely they'll lose their subscribers faster than they get them.

            So if you're a newbie, the best starting point for you is to be an affiliate for Clickbank, Commission Junction or Amazon. Study how to choose niches and do keyword research. Build a WordPress site and write review-type articles about the products you are promoting. Build backlinks to your site through article directories, social bookmarks, forum posts, blog comments, etc.

            Once you get a significant amount of traffic to your site, sign up for Aweber or any good autoresponder. Offer a free report or ebook in exchange for your visitors signing up to your mailing list. Every now and then, send an email to your subscribers promoting an affiliate product.

            You can then venture into creating your own information product. It's better since you can keep most of the profits instead of being an affiliate for someone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author C A Perez
      Wouldn't it depend on an individual's perceived talents, likes, and dislikes. But, then there is the problem of a newbie not having any idea of what all these methods, CPA, Adsense, offline, article marketing, list building, etc., require in terms of knowledge, effort, etc.

      I still think a newbie should choose one method he feels comfortable with or he's attracted to and work it till he starts making a little money before he ventures into something else or until he finds that what he chose is not for him.
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        Originally Posted by C A Perez View Post

        Wouldn't it depend on an individual's perceived talents, likes, and dislikes. But, then there is the problem of a newbie not having any idea of what all these methods, CPA, Adsense, offline, article marketing, list building, etc., require in terms of knowledge, effort, etc.

        I still think a newbie should choose one method he feels comfortable with or he's attracted to and work it till he starts making a little money before he ventures into something else or until he finds that what he chose is not for him.
        Exactly! Each person is different, and no one strategy will work for everyone. Plus, everyone has different needs, and someone who has plenty of time and other resources may choose a different path from someone who is starting with nothing and needs to generate some quick cash.

        I generally recommend that someone just starting out and needing quick cash spend a day or two becoming an expert on some topic, or at least a subset of a topic, and then writing a short report on that topic. Think of it as writing a book report for school, except you research dozens of books, forums, blogs, and any other resource you can find.

        Then approach a list owner and make a deal with them to split profits from the sale of your new report.

        You'd be amazed at how much you can make in a week by following this basic advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brianne
    I would try offering a service. Are you good at anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    1. Get your own domain at one company.
    2. Get your own website hosting at another.
    3. Get an autoresponder account at yet another.
    4. Pick something that seems like you could do it, and do it the best you can for thirty days.

    No matter what you choose to do, you should do it for no less than thirty days, on your own website, at your own domain, and build a list.

    If you honestly try to make money with a particular approach for thirty days, and you don't make any, that's not a good approach for you. Either pick a new one, or try harder. But don't even consider switching to another approach for thirty days.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      1. You need to know why you're getting into IM. What are your goals? Do you want a long term career in IM? Do you want to make money in the short term?

      2. How would you like to spend your time? Would you enjoy writing reviews? Doing SEO? Answering customer queries? Creating Products? Advertising to get traffic? What would your perfect work day consist of?

      3. What skills do you already have that are suited to the things you'd like to do?

      If you can answer those 3 questions then once you read about the different types of marketing out there you'll be much better prepared to know where to start.
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      1. Get your own domain at one company.
      2. Get your own website hosting at another.
      3. Get an autoresponder account at yet another.
      4. Pick something that seems like you could do it, and do it the best you can for thirty days.

      No matter what you choose to do, you should do it for no less than thirty days, on your own website, at your own domain, and build a list.

      If you honestly try to make money with a particular approach for thirty days, and you don't make any, that's not a good approach for you. Either pick a new one, or try harder. But don't even consider switching to another approach for thirty days.
      All that is fine, yes, but as a newbie, it isn't that simple. When I started out almost 2 years ago, I didn't know what a domain name was, nor did I know how to go about getting a website, let alone setting up the autoresponder. As simple as it sounds, for a newbie it would be overwhelming.

      Building a list is good too yes, but as someone said above, it takes traffic and will a newbie know how to do that. The there is seo and keyword research.

      I remember what it was like. The key though is to find something you are passionate about. I joined a forum in my niche. I started posting advice and interacting. Private messages started coming in, I built relationships. Every time I got a new email, I saved the address. I started sending out bi monthly newsletters and it grew. A backwards way of building a list I know. I sill don't have an auto responder.

      AS fate would have it the forum closed. My door opened. I recreated thanks to a fellow warrior member here helping me. My list followed me and on day 7 of the opening of the forum, I already have close to 100 members registered.

      Start with one thing, and yes stick to it. Article marketing is simple and free. Like with anything, it takes work and dedication and not giving up.

      The 30 day challenge is an excellent resource for newbies and is also free. At the end of the 30 days a million light bulbs will be going off in your head.
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      • Profile picture of the author cynthea
        Originally Posted by robinincarolina View Post

        The 30 day challenge is an excellent resource for newbies and is also free. At the end of the 30 days a million light bulbs will be going off in your head.
        Can someone say more about what the 30 day challenge is?
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        • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
          Monetizing last does no good.

          If you have built up traffic or readers, and they are used to a lack of ads, you could lose portion of your audience in the changeover.

          You could come up with a niche you are passionate as could be about, but have absolutely no way to monetize it due to a lack of products/adsense/etc. There are some niches and topics that have no products or plenty of products that you have no ability to promote.

          Some of these niches are so protected that trademark/copyright owners will get sites shut down that promote products or create products in the niche. Being in the gaming niche myself I can mention that Games Workshop products fall into this category. They want you to go to them for everything (as mail order is their prime business model), and have went as far as having listings taken down on Ebay and Amazon... as well as no longer selling to stores that sell products online.

          If you don't monetize initially, you need to at least prepare for it.

          As far as my thoughts on what to start with... it depends on how badly they need the money.

          If you are in dire need then you probably better offer a service as it is the only "guaranteed" route. (as close to a guarantee as you get)

          If you are not, then pick a method and hammer it for a month or so like Caliban mentions. If you fail, try again.
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        • Profile picture of the author THK
          Originally Posted by cynthea View Post

          Can someone say more about what the 30 day challenge is?
          Cynthea
          You can check out this page here- The Challenge

          Now they call it only "challenge", not 30 day challenge. Never followed it myself, but heard a lot of good things about it.

          This page gives you some history - The Challenge « The Challenge . Also has the link to their blog, forum etc.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
            Originally Posted by THK View Post

            Cynthea
            You can check out this page here- The Challenge

            Now they call it only "challenge", not 30 day challenge. Never followed it myself, but heard a lot of good things about it.

            This page gives you some history - The Challenge « The Challenge . Also has the link to their blog, forum etc.

            Tanvir

            Forgot about this. This is a very good way to make money as a newb while learning the ropes.
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      1. Get your own domain at one company.
      2. Get your own website hosting at another.
      3. Get an autoresponder account at yet another.
      4. Pick something that seems like you could do it, and do it the best you can for thirty days.

      No matter what you choose to do, you should do it for no less than thirty days, on your own website, at your own domain, and build a list.

      If you honestly try to make money with a particular approach for thirty days, and you don't make any, that's not a good approach for you. Either pick a new one, or try harder. But don't even consider switching to another approach for thirty days.
      This is a great rule actually. Let's call this the 30-day rule. This is great for newbies and non-newbies alike!
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        This is a great rule actually. Let's call this the 30-day rule. This is great for newbies and non-newbies alike!
        Mike, 30 days is probably the bare minimum a newbie should spend on any IM method to even halfway grasp things. From talking to my clients and students, it seems like the majority have issues even being able to stick to one thing for this short length of time!

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          Mike, 30 days is probably the bare minimum a newbie should spend on any IM method to even halfway grasp things. From talking to my clients and students, it seems like the majority have issues even being able to stick to one thing for this short length of time!

          Paul
          Yep. It is very hard to stay focused on your plans and that is one of the most difficult things in IM.
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          • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
            I can tell you what not to do....don't write an ebook on internet marketing right off like some idiot did when he first started! I had a BBS for years before I came to the Warriors and was selling things online, so I figured I knew about internet marketing, guess what? I didn't, it was a whole different ball game.

            Thanks to a few of my friends, Willie, Paul and etc., I found out I didn't know anything about IM, well, not what I should have known!

            Build you list like stated above and learn!
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            • Profile picture of the author diegoortiz
              I say BUILD A LIST by giving away your "best stuff" for FREE. Build with FREEMIUM
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    • Profile picture of the author SpinnerHawk
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      1. Get your own domain at one company.
      2. Get your own website hosting at another.
      3. Get an autoresponder account at yet another.
      4. Pick something that seems like you could do it, and do it the best you can for thirty days.
      I think this is the most basic skill on this industry, you have to master it whether you like it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
    Join Date: Jan 2011
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    How on earth did you post 1,086 in less than 90 days? That's about 145 posts every single day?? Amazing.

    The War Room is the First Place to start and the best $37 you'll ever spend. Then Do NOT spend any more money. If you want REAL Business ideas, watch this http://wealthlpp.com/ppp

    This is the Thank-you Page for one of best FREE offers I've ever seen http://www.ez-1.net/jvfree but that's not where it ends. It never does and so when the OTO came out I ignored most of it while working on something else - I always have 2 or 3 computers going so I'm never stuck waiting, watching or listening without doing something else too.

    Then I heard something about products that had been recently launched for $497 and $997 and even $1997 so I stopped and looked closer at what this guy was yapping about. I couldn't believe it - no wonder my son sent that link to me. He knew.

    I guarantee you one thing - no guru will ever promote that FREE offer with THAT OTO full of so many quality products that aren't even old yet. . . $97 for everything. BUT don't buy it. Remember, don't spend any more money on anything but the War Room.

    Just get the free offer and take a look at what's there and if you see something you want to try - let me know. I would like to get 3 people working on each product and see if working as a group would be easier to make money than it would all alone. I have no problem getting special permission from each product owner so their TOS are not violated either.

    Anyone who says NO, is really saying NO, my product isn't good enough to fool the power of 3. Yes means the product works and the owner will get some free referrals and more testimonials. It won't cost anything to earn while you learn for a change but that doesn't mean free. It means you save your money but you still pay with your time. No more getting ripped off for both - nothing to complain about if your money stays in the bank right? No more excuses. Just do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dash Evra
      Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

      Join Date: Jan 2011
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      How on earth did you post 1,086 in less than 90 days? That's about 145 posts every single day?? Amazing.
      erhhh...No. That's about 12 posts per day... Just saying
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  • Profile picture of the author lstoops
    I am all for newbies starting with selling a service. Why? Because you learn how to market your services online and at the same time get paid (almost instantly). That's invaluable learning lessons while you make money at the same time. You can take that cash you make and put it into something else you would like learn. It just makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author machia
    If starting from scratch one of the easiest things nearly anyone can do is to write about something they can promote on a themed blog. It can be and at least start out as simple as that.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by machia View Post

      If starting from scratch one of the easiest things nearly anyone can do is to write about something they can promote on a themed blog. It can be and at least start out as simple as that.
      Actually, it isn't "as simple as that". You have to get people to read that blog, and that takes an investment (either time or money).
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      • Profile picture of the author machia
        Originally Posted by AlanT View Post

        Actually, it isn't "as simple as that". You have to get people to read that blog, and that takes an investment (either time or money).
        If what one writes is very to extremely interesting, they'll not only read it but actively seek it out. And if it's written by "you," meaning entirely unique, G will suck it up like a vacuum cleaner and happily serve it up to those looking for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cherie
    A Newbe should start with: Loads of Research...Time...and more research...What type of themed blogs are people interested in reading? What questions are these people asking? What would draw them to 'your' blog? As a newbe what are your interests?
    A lot of soul searching goes into a Newbe's world. They want to be an overnight success...But,
    As Alan says definitely it is an investment. You are aiming for a long term investment!
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  • I think you should inform yourself of the methods that exist, and pick one that best fits you. If none fit what you want, deal with it, or don't bother at all; or find a way to make it work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jelle Kaldenbach
    Well, since I'm still a newbie, I can't really answer this.

    But what I found out is that Traffic & Building a list are important, but what if you have members on your list? You can't just keep on mailing them offers, they would get sick of it. Never EVER heard someone say more than "give them good content". Well, learn me how to write good content, learn me how to stay in contact.. Al those things are really hard I think.

    Everything together: Building a list is important, but knowing what to do if you have one is even more important.

    -Jelle
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  • Profile picture of the author Grommeman
    I would create an authority website about a topic that isn't too competitive, and I would work on building a network of websites and spend 70% of the time building them up.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeafAndy
    The biggest thing holding new people back is not knowing where to begin. There is too much information and too much advice and the majority of the information and advice is simply wrong. So new people spend all day reading conflicting advice and no time creating.

    Step one: Stop worrying and dive in. You will never feel like you know enough, so don't let it hold you back.

    Step two: Pick a niche topic you would like to target. Skip SEO, weight loss, insurance, acne, and other heavily saturated topics at all costs. You can target those once you have built up some skills.

    Step three: Buy a domain name and throw up a site with some unique content. Don't fret too much about the domain name, it's not as important as you think.

    Step four: Build links. Lots of links. Build links with targeted anchor text. Vary the anchor text. Use the site name occasionally. Use click here once and a while. Basically look natural. Use sites like ezine, hubpages, squidoo, articlebase, go articles, etc and post a unique article with anchor text back to your site. Don't send the same article to all of those sites.

    Step five: Block out! Block out! Block out all of the crappy advice people want to give you. Block out their crappy products that promise the world. Focus on those links. Don't wast time with social media like stumbleupon and dig. Build those links!

    Step six: keep creating. Keep testing. Keep exploring what works for you. And then create some more.

    And yes, I see the irony in me offering my own crappy advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by DeafAndy View Post

      The biggest thing holding new people back is not knowing where to begin. There is too much information and too much advice and the majority of the information and advice is simply wrong. So new people spend all day reading conflicting advice and no time creating.

      Step one: Stop worrying and dive in. You will never feel like you know enough, so don't let it hold you back.

      Step two: Pick a niche topic you would like to target. Skip SEO, weight loss, insurance, acne, and other heavily saturated topics at all costs. You can target those once you have built up some skills.

      Step three: Buy a domain name and throw up a site with some unique content. Don't fret too much about the domain name, it's not as important as you think.

      Step four: Build links. Lots of links. Build links with targeted anchor text. Vary the anchor text. Use the site name occasionally. Use click here once and a while. Basically look natural. Use sites like ezine, hubpages, squidoo, articlebase, go articles, etc and post a unique article with anchor text back to your site. Don't send the same article to all of those sites.

      Step five: Block out! Block out! Block out all of the crappy advice people want to give you. Block out their crappy products that promise the world. Focus on those links. Don't wast time with social media like stumbleupon and dig. Build those links!

      Step six: keep creating. Keep testing. Keep exploring what works for you. And then create some more.

      And yes, I see the irony in me offering my own crappy advice.
      Haha. Don't worry! Your advice is not crappy one bit. I agree with most of it and the rest of it isn't bad. Very important stuff for newbs.
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    • Profile picture of the author cynthea
      Originally Posted by DeafAndy View Post

      The biggest thing holding new people back is not knowing where to begin. There is too much information and too much advice and the majority of the information and advice is simply wrong. So new people spend all day reading conflicting advice and no time creating.

      Step one: Stop worrying and dive in. You will never feel like you know enough, so don't let it hold you back.

      Step two: Pick a niche topic you would like to target. Skip SEO, weight loss, insurance, acne, and other heavily saturated topics at all costs. You can target those once you have built up some skills.

      Step three: Buy a domain name and throw up a site with some unique content. Don't fret too much about the domain name, it's not as important as you think.

      Step four: Build links. Lots of links. Build links with targeted anchor text. Vary the anchor text. Use the site name occasionally. Use click here once and a while. Basically look natural. Use sites like ezine, hubpages, squidoo, articlebase, go articles, etc and post a unique article with anchor text back to your site. Don't send the same article to all of those sites.

      Step five: Block out! Block out! Block out all of the crappy advice people want to give you. Block out their crappy products that promise the world. Focus on those links. Don't wast time with social media like stumbleupon and dig. Build those links!

      Step six: keep creating. Keep testing. Keep exploring what works for you. And then create some more.

      And yes, I see the irony in me offering my own crappy advice.
      Thank you DeafAndy!! I'm going to post this next to my computer. Funny how simple it is, but it's the best advice I've read for newbies. Keep it simple - stay focused - keep creating - Thank you!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author SmartHealthShop
    build a list but learn how to get organic traffic first as a list does absolutely nothing without organic targeted traffic.

    a newb should learn consistency, time, patience, and trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author eguten2
    I can not tell you how much this information has helped me. I have finished reading just about all I can about "how to make money on-line" till I'm blue in the face. So, I'm at the poin where I'm doing my research to find my niche, however you have all brought up some really good points! Thank you again!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    One of them certainly interest you a little more than the others. DO THAT ONE!
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    I would say newbie should start to learn about affiliate marketing. Affiliate marketing involve niche research, list building, providing valuable content to your subscribers and eventually recommending product.

    It also involve article writing and other sort of list building techniques which may come handy when you plan to sell your own products in the future. So I would say for a new, learn the ropes of IM with affiliate marketing....
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronngoh
    I think newbie should start with CPC as it is the least complicated model to start with.

    Just need to do a niche with less competition and drive traffic to the site and made money when people click on the ads.

    Bingo, you made money once that happen...
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Maybe starting by choosing the niche that they will enter, once they have the niche, they interested for they can start building plans to working out for th niche, like how to market their niche, is their any market for it, how the competition are, buidling website, building list etc
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    No matter what you do with IM, IF you can't make a dollar without spending a dollar, then IM is not for you.

    Once you get the free ways working, scale, by re-investing back into yourself & your sites.


    Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

    I was trying to ask myself what a newb should start out with. There are so many ways to make money online that it is sometimes hard to choose what to do. Should everyone be doing niche adsense sites? Should everyone do CPA? Should everyone try to flip websites? Should everyone try to build a list?

    I don't think anyone could do all of these especially a newb. So what should a newb start with then considering the levels of difficulty of each online money making method?
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  • Profile picture of the author poolhall
    Become an expert at some traffic generating system (SEO, FB,Adwords or something) and build a high quality list of people who buy stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wechito
    Everyone's likes, preferences, knowledge and abilities are different, so there is no one model to follow.

    In my opinion, what a beginner should do is learn about all the different business models that can be followed on Internet marketing and choose just one. For some people this will be creating a product on a niche they know about, for others building a blog about something they are passionate about and monetize it, for others building niche sites... What I think is important when starting out is to pick one system and stay stuck to it. Later one it is a good idea to diversify, but in the beginning, just start focus on one model and learn from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeafAndy
    "Never fear, wait a year."

    I was reminded of this great truth when a friend of mine wrote one article, called me two days later and said, "I'm so disappointed, I haven't made any money."

    Getting solid traffic to a quality site can take time. I've got one site that had about 25 visitors a day for the first 6 months. That dropped to nearly 0 when it got moved to the Google sandbox for 3 weeks. Once Google brought it back it shot to 100 visitors a day at the end of the 7th month and now 200 a day at the beginning of the 8th and still heading upwards.

    Time is your friend in this business. I think 99% of the people that start will simply give up too soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by DeafAndy View Post

      "Never fear, wait a year."

      I was reminded of this great truth when a friend of mine wrote one article, called me two days later and said, "I'm so disappointed, I haven't made any money."

      Getting solid traffic to a quality site can take time. I've got one site that had about 25 visitors a day for the first 6 months. That dropped to nearly 0 when it got moved to the Google sandbox for 3 weeks. Once Google brought it back it shot to 100 visitors a day at the end of the 7th month and now 200 a day at the beginning of the 8th and still heading upwards.

      Time is your friend in this business. I think 99% of the people that start will simply give up too soon.
      the key is to never give up
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    I think a newbie should not be given too many information at once that they be able to follow or use right away. It can be ideal if they can start off with doing something they like, perhaps talking about their passion/interest. Blogging can be a nice start for newbies who doesn't want to dig in affiliate marketing for the mean time.

    Andrea
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  • Profile picture of the author colll999
    If your new or thinking of starting in internet marketing always start by building a list, It doesn't matter what niche your in or thinking about going into once you have a list you have people who are interested in your niche that you can market to over and over again.
    The thing that puts a newbie off this is getting traffic, which can be hard when you first start out.
    You get a domain name, hosting, put your squeeze page online giving away a great product then you get very few sign ups!
    Just don't give up, stick with it, there are so many methods of getting traffic, find the ones that work best for you and stick with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glad Warrior
    I am also a newbie. Can you guys let me know how can one build a list? Actually, i am looking towards building a blog with my affiliate ads/links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    I think they should start out just learning the basics, ie

    1. buy domain
    2. Buy hosting
    3. Change nameservers
    4. Research some keywords using free Google Keyword tool
    5. Build site using wordpress or wysiwyg editor
    6. Write Content / reviews
    7. FTP or post content
    8. Build anchor text backlinks
    9. Keep Promoting sites using various methods
    10. Find affiliate or cpa offers etc..

    Making money online is a numbers game, your first site may bomb but you just need to get good quality pages up and find some keyword gems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      I think they should start out just learning the basics, ie

      1. buy domain
      2. Buy hosting
      3. Change nameservers
      4. Research some keywords using free Google Keyword tool
      5. Build site using wordpress or wysiwyg editor
      6. Write Content / reviews
      7. FTP or post content
      8. Build anchor text backlinks
      9. Keep Promoting sites using various methods
      10. Find affiliate or cpa offers etc..

      Making money online is a numbers game, your first site may bomb but you just need to get good quality pages up and find some keyword gems.
      yep and that is only one part of making money online there are so many other things to do...

      I guess what you are saying can apply to most methods though.
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  • Profile picture of the author THK
    I think a newb should start by providing services for other marketers. If someone experienced is willing to pay for their service, that will give them a lot of confidence. They would know that they are doing something right and they can get paid while sharpening their skills.

    I think it is the most practical way as well. It happens in real world too. People get a job, learn the business and the industry as a whole, and when they have enough capital/can arrange it, they start their own.

    Tanvir
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    Forgot to say, the biggest thing anyone should have starting out is a burning desire to learn and a focus on taking action every day.

    At the end of the day there are probably only a few essentials, a domain,hosting and some sort of site builder ( free wordpress will do). And your TIME. In theory you can actually do well with a free blog but that's not a long term plan.

    Probably mindset is more important than the tools, think positive and eliminate distarctions such as watching TV. It's amazng the amount of people who are "interested" in making money online but won't spend 2-3 hours per day working online or give up watching TV.

    Different things work for different folks, I couldn't offer a website design service but many folk rock at that but struggle with keyword research.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
    Building a list gets my vote.

    The hard part is committing yourself to a long term business plan and being willing to work at it every day to build it slowly over time.

    Especially when all this flashy, shiny new get rich quick junk is all over the place. It's too easy to switch every month (been doing that for years).

    Instead, pick a topic, become an expert (study and take action) and be a leader to others to build your list and your business over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davy44
    You don't begin your internet career/business by choosing a marketing method and focusing on how money you will make. That is a recipe for FAILURE; it won't get you too far.

    How do you begin? Well, ask yourself these questions. What am I going to market? What is my product/service? What am I good at? What is my passion? What is a hobby of mine I can make other people to be interested in?

    Attempting to answer these questions would ultimately lead you to discover the theme of your website. Build your website around this theme, and then decide how to market it. You have to build the foundation of your website before you tell people about it. It's that simple.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by Davy44 View Post

      You don't begin your internet career/business by choosing a marketing method and focusing on how money you will make. That is a recipe for FAILURE; it won't get you too far.

      How do you begin? Well, ask yourself these questions. What am I going to market? What is my product/service? What am I good at? What is my passion? What is a hobby of mine I can make other people to be interested in?

      Attempting to answer these questions would ultimately lead you to discover the theme of your website. Build your website around this theme, and then decide how to market it. You have to build the foundation of your website before you tell people about it. It's that simple.

      Good luck!
      marketing is about "marketing" a product to consumers and making it presentable. that is basically all.
      If you are passionate about the product and show that it is worthy of purchase, you will be rewarded.
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