Fun with math - the Arbitrage Conspiracy

They inebriated themselves on crates of beluga?

The thing that I don't quite understand is this - there are not an unlimited supply of CPA offers floating around at any given time like there are affiliate products.

Why would I want to jump into competing with all of the other students of this course over the few hundred CPA offers available at any given time?

Did it have the world famous qualifier "up to" in front of 10k? The whole thing stinks. If I was making $50k per day, I'd be done developing new stuff for quite some time. In fact, if I could sustain that for a year, I could go on for the rest of my life without ever earning another dime.

I'd like to see this sales page.

Take into account that people at the event had an inside run on promoting. They could easily re-coup that investment by applying the material and then becoming an affiliate for the launch.

He did make it clear that he was making $50,000 $100,000 in net profits.

50k - 100k NET is what they state. That is PROFIT.

Yeah, the bar tab alone would be ridiculous... I"m an expensive guest as well lol

You're not seriously comparing this launch to doing charity work, are you? Are they giving laptops to homeless people and teaching them the system?

If money lost its appeal, why do a big launch, which would seem to be intended to generate money? Retire or travel or something.

LOL.
So if he is releasing the information in order to get a "warm fuzzy feelin" from helping people, why charge $2000 for it? When Bill Gates donates funds for malaria pills or antiretro virals, he does not add a 2000% mark up on the pills. Imagine if Bill Gates opens a charity pharmacy somewhere in Africa and in it the pharmacist is told to "sell up" and offer the "really powerful super duper" malaria pills to anyone for an extra 50% of the purchase price of the malaria pills on sale. I do not think most people would consider that charity.

That angle is B.S. If "established entrepreneurs" like Eben, Reese, Kern etc really did not care about money, they would not be charging thousands for their courses nor would they be pimping often times suspect products. It is all about money - and more power to them. In my experience, the richer a person is, the more obsessed with money they become. Go to any village in Africa and then to Manhattan if you want proof of this.

I too, like many others on this forum also support charities in our own small ways, but that does not mean I do not want more money or that I have stopped actively pursuing it.

Interesting point.

Of course only a small percentage of customers will reach the most elite level. But that's totally ignorant to say he wouldn't develop a product and train people to become affiliates. Developing products that train people to be your affiliates (or reps, downline, whatever) is a business model that has thrived for a long time both in and outside of our industry.

Also I never said that was his only motive... but it may be one of his motives.

about 79% of all businesses fail by the ten years mark (Startup Failure Rates — The REAL Numbers | Small Business Trends)

so you could be quite general and say that in LIFE many people do not reach full potential.

Who decides the portion that succeed? The customer. As long as the material is good don't blame the seller.

A few possibilities that spring immediately to mind:

He's full of it.

He's bored and wants something fun.

He wants to be a celebrity.

He's an empire builder and can't stop himself.

He has a specific target he wants to hit fast, and then retire.

He's looking to start his CPA network with a bunch of high producers already in place, who will get him a lot of primo clients fast, with him getting a cut of all of those deals.

Some combination of the above.

Something else I haven't thought of.


Paul

Yeah... I have Kool Aid - it's the same color as sarcasm.

It's called unnecessary sarcasm - it's like a red-ish blue color

True... in fact these guys are FREAKS when it comes to managing the numbers. They care about recouping their cost on a $0.50 click ;-)

Matt he actually tells you on the sales page,

You can bid on every single product in the store for Home Depot etc.... Nobody can cover every possible bid for the unlimited available offers.

The only limits are time, talent, ability for automation, creativity, desire etc...

Hey, their profit is twice what CJ did in total sales last year. Aren't you impressed?

I'm with you. I'd rather deal with more honest people whose numbers aren't so wildly questionable.

I saw on John Chow a mention that Jerry West - a well-known PPC marketer and search engine optimizer walked out on the Vegas seminar.

Now, the following is not based on the course - so take it with a grain of salt and MAYBE some of these issues are covred in the course - so I wouldn't mind having someone address these issues:

There are extremely experienced marketer's like Jerry West telling people not to by the Arbitrage Conspiracy product and even told the guys at John Cow: 'Don't get sucked into the hype. It isn't real. I was there and I walked out after 40 minutes because the material was very basic.'

That's interesting - because if they do NOT cover one VITAL aspect of running CPA marketing - and that is keeping track of a huge inventory of CPA offer start and end dates and having an automatic way of starting a new offer when one expires you are going to go completely nuts.

My business partner and I run CPA offer through a large number of organic sites and we use an open source ad-serving solution called OpenX.org to manage that type of thing - although there are also commercial ad serving services like AdJuggler, AdSpeed, and AdButler to name a few.

One thing I don't agree with is that selling the course will bring about too much competition for the owners - that was something Charles Heflin from SEO2020 was saying. But the truth is that the amount of viable traffic for CPA offers is just enormous - and even if you use the ONE rudimentary trick of using domains as keywords they "revealed" (um, that trick has been revealed MANY times over the past several years - including by ME about 4 years ago. LOL) there are SO many ways to go about finding them that even in ONE market you could have hundreds of people "playing well" together - and there are man, many markets where CPA offers are findable - PLUS if you really want to you can work out deals with businesses in markets where they are NOT common.

So in my opinion all of this noise about "If it's so profitable why are they selling it?" is nonsense.

BUT I would also point out that certain CPA tricks are MUCH harder for people NEWER to PPC to pull off.

For example - I one ran a test on the "domains as keywords" technique on Adwords and discovered that often the NEWER advertisers are kind of screwed. Here's what I did:

I had a friend of mine who had advertised minimally on Adwords for about a year put in the EXACT Ad, Exact Offer, and Exact Keywords (match type, etc.) going to the EXACT same landing page (this was direct-linking) and what we discovered was very interesting and should be disheartening for anyone considering buying the the Arbitrage Conspiracy:

His minimum bids we're often between .50 to $1.00 per click while MINE for the EXACT same set up were between .15 - .30 per click!

In other words, it appears that Account History has a fairly major impact on bid prices in some (maybe many) cases.

Now, you can certainly build up a great account history - but that means that you'll probably have to WAIT until you can pull off some of the more profitable tricks such as the one "revealed" in the free Arbitrage Conspiracy training...(I'm not sure why I keep using "revealed" for that domains as keywords trick - it's almost like saying I've just discovered "THE INTERNET").

So I wouldn't call Arbitrage Conspiracy a scam, but I CANNOT recommend it - especially if you are not already an experienced marketer - and if you ARE then you'd probably know everything in the course from what I'm hearing from people like Jerry West.

Anyhow, here's some information about why Jerry West doesn't recommend the Arbitrage Conspiracy product:

Don't Buy The Arbitrage Conspiracy - I Was There In Vegas

I guess the one thing I would leave you with is - if you STILL plan to buy The Arbitrage Conspiracy system then look for a bonus or bonuses that cover one or all of the following:

* How to manage a huge volume of CPA offers.
* How to manage start and end dates of CPA offers.
* How to build a CPA affiliate "team".
* Strategies for establishing a high-quality Adwords Account

Paul Schlegel

Think about this. lets imagine you have a CPA offer with MaxBounty for Homedepot.

Now to drive traffic to that offer you have campaigns using PPC to drive traffic directly to the offer.

To get a lot of traffic you might use every product in Home Depot as your bid terms.

This is why there is unlimited opportunity to send traffic to CPA offers .

Using segmentation and creativity with keyword research and then testing it you can dig up great campaigns.

This answers your question about limited offers. There may not be a lot of offers (there are) but the traffic is the bigger variable.

That is great info. I had a wonderful campaign for a highly contested space but I did find that edge. The creative angle is usually a winner.

The more competition, the more money to be made.

Would you want to go into a market with prospects that dont have money to buy what you're selling? Thats pointless.

Or do you want to go to a market where theres plenty of money being thrown around?

You just need to learn how to deal with competition, some people are afraid of it, and some look for it


CPA is cost per acquisition. You get a lead for an offer- you get paid, its that simple and its lead generation. Some people do it threw affiliate networks and some people will go straight to a company and do it.

CPA is affiliate marketing. Just because someone doesn't have to purchase something, doesn't mean its not "affiliate marketing".

Those are examples of CPA. And it IS affiliate opportunities. Its a different model of affiliate marketing. Do you think you could convert more people if they had to fill in some quick info, or having to convert someone to buy a product?

Since you don't sell anything, CPA (lead gen.) is very lucrative. CPA is lead gen. and lead gen is lots, and lots, and lots, of money and has been around longer than the internet.

If you're working with a company (affiliate) and you're doing advertising and marketing for them to capture leads- HOW is that not affiliate marketing? Same tree, different branch.


Your WEALTH is only limited by your MIND. Unlimited mind = unlimited wealth. Now, making 100k a day, to me, would be considered unlimited wealth (financial wise). A lot less would be considered "unlimited" wealth for me@!

doesn't he usually create short reviews of products? I haven't seen anything yet..

So true. Some people don't understand the power of networking.

A very successful entrepreneur said-

"You're NET-WORTH is only as big as your NETWORK"

He's not lying!

Actually, it didn't say refund requests. It said support requests. The person who posted the email was looking for a refund. That doesn't mean that all support requests were for refunds.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if they're getting more refund requests than the typical launch.

The Arbitrage Conspiracy free report tells you, in general terms, that you can pay for PPC (pay per click, like Google AdWords) to promote your affiliate landing pages offered by CPA (Cost per Acquisition) Companies, and the "arbitrage" part comes from the difference between your investment (what you had to spend in PPC) and your prize (what the CPA companies pay you for the action made by the visitor you sent).

Then, the idea is that if you find a successful combination (PPC --> CPA) then you would add up some leverage, investing more and more into that profitable one.

I would have loved to buy the course, because it is apparently proved that this guy makes over between $50K and $100K every day, so he must really know what he's doing. The price of the full 12 week course is $1997.

You can get the free report at arbitrageconspiracy.eu

Perhaps a sum = the amount of self righteousness those who question the happines of others need to feel.

The world clearly isn't flat. As for the authenticity of the Apollo mission, I think it's certainly in Capricorn One territory

Why is it so hard for so many here to believe that someone can pay, say, $50G on direct advertising and double his money in a day? I just don't understand all of the kerfuffle. Its exactly the same thing that so many here and everywhere else are doing everyday...only scaled. It's scaled up in relation to many internet marketers' activities, but also, scaled down in relation to the daily adspend of countless household name brands in mainstream vertical markets.

Of course it is possible. Case closed. Conspiracy over.

Thomas