Is this what is killing article marketing?

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I came across an articles site, Amazines, where an author who is, apparently, an IM expert, publishing 25 spun versions of the same article, on the same site, on the same day.:rolleyes:

And I wonder.
Isn't this the worst use of article spinners?
Could it be automatic article submitters fault?
Could it be that this is one of the reasons for the suspicion of search engines towards articles ?
#article #killing #matketing
  • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
    The author you linked to there is a Warrior, and a good Warrior too(in my opinion). I must admit, that set of spun articles doesn't look too good, but you're breaking rule #1(don't insult other members) of the forum here I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author SylvainM
      Where did you see an insult ?
      I'm not even implying that the author did it on purpose.
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        Originally Posted by SylvainM View Post

        Where did you see an insult ?
        I'm not even implying that the author did it on purpose.
        Well, you weren't to know you were actually referring to a Warrior. Actually, I don't know if she is still active here - haven't seen her for a while. I know you weren't intentionally insulting anyone, sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author SylvainM
          Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

          Well, you weren't to know you were actually referring to a Warrior. Actually, I don't know if she is still active here - haven't seen her for a while. I know you weren't intentionally insulting anyone, sorry.

          Hey Liam.
          Of course I'm not here to insult or offend anyone.
          I'm here, and glad I am, to read the valuable and enlightening comments by Chris, Alexa Smith, Allen Graves, Oxbloom and all the other warriors.

          But I've heard you, and removed the reference to the author.
          My best to all.
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          • Profile picture of the author hlvasquez
            I don't think Article marketing is dying.

            As long as you keep honest work writing your articles with real, unique and relevant content you should not be worried.

            I tried to use an article spinner software, but I didn't liked the results at all, so I take my time, wrote a good and quality articles by myself and that's it.

            I.M. is not rocket science, but is a BIG lie that you can make $$ on a real automated way without get your hands dirty.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Nothing is killing article marketing.

        Article marketing is thriving, flourishing and expanding.

        What you're talking about is only "article directory marketing", which has been gradually on its way out ever since I've been online, and isn't a viable business model anyway.

        I know what you mean, with the questions in your post, but can't really answer because I know of no good or useful purposes for article spinners and/or mass submitters anyway - only purposes which many people mistakenly imagine are "good" or "useful" (either to themselves or to others).
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        • Profile picture of the author nigerianguy
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Nothing is killing article marketing.

          Article marketing is thriving, flourishing and expanding.

          What you're talking about is only "article directory marketing", which has been gradually on its way out ever since I've been online, and isn't a viable business model anyway.

          I know what you mean, with the questions in your post, but can't really answer because I know of no good or useful purposes for article spinners and/or mass submitters anyway - only purposes which many people mistakenly imagine are "good" or "useful" (either to themselves or to others).
          I trust you! Anything article submission service is out of your dictionary. Don't you think this might be working for some other people? Why then are people into it? I think if well managed and optimized, it might help. Yes!
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by nigerianguy View Post

            Anything article submission service is out of your dictionary.
            I use article directories every day.

            But I don't use article directory submission services, because their only real benefits are for backlinks, and the backlinks you can get through syndication to better quality, more context-relevant sites are (literally) tens of thousands of times as good.

            I used to do that, but I've learned better.

            Originally Posted by nigerianguy View Post

            Don't you think this might be working for some other people?
            To a very small and deteriorating degree, yes. Certainly not like it used to. And it's getting harder, and producing worse results, for entirely understandable reasons, all the time.

            Originally Posted by nigerianguy View Post

            Why then are people into it?
            Four main reasons, I think:-

            1. It's one of these things that so many people try because it's what all the out-of-date guidebooks are advising. It's become accepted as "normal" even though it works badly (and getting worse all the time). But a lot of people have discovered that it's far easier to make a living selling e-books on article marketing than it ever was for them by doing article marketing themselves, so this dreadfully inappropriate "advice" still persists.

            2. Most people think that article directory marketing is "article marketing" and are unaware of other, better ways.

            3. Many people genuinely don't understand (and some even "deliberately refuse to believe") that all article directory backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks - there are even people who imagine that submitting an article to what they define as a "PR-4 directory" will give them a "PR-4 backlink" - and this belief, albeit very widespread, is just completely, verifiably, provably wrong on so many levels that it helps to account for the constant turnover of people "trying article marketing" and then either dropping out and disappearing or coming back a year later and starting a thread under the title "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More" (you must have seen hundreds of those threads here? What they nearly all have in common is that their creators and participants are doing "article directory marketing" imagining that it's actually "article marketing").

            4. There's a whole industry of people promoting various "automation" tools out there (spinning software and/or article submitters, some of them with the most blatant lies all over their sales pages, typically preying on the naivety of gullible customers who don't understand the difference between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content") - because selling them is an easy living compared with the type of marketing they facilitate - and there's an even bigger group of marketers who have an emotional (i.e. rather than a financial) motivation for continuing to believe all this nonsense, and a very small minority of them are even articulate and literate enough to be able to try to defend their shifty, unreliable and illogical "position" in discussions of the subject, and they do actually continue to fool some of the people, some of the time.

            When you look at the tiny proportion of people who "try article marketing" and end up making a living out of it, it's not really surprising that "what most people do" isn't too successful, is it?

            Originally Posted by nigerianguy View Post

            I think if well managed and optimized, it might help. Yes!
            There's admittedly no downside except in terms of opportunity cost (albeit that to those of us actually building an asset-based business and making a living, that's a high cost).

            But the realisation that one high-quality, context-relevant backlink is worth many tens of thousands of article directory backlinks and the translation of that realisation into growing, residual income from article marketing transform the attitudes, beliefs and earning-power of the small minority of people who try it. Several of them do post here, and their posts are very instructive.

            Of one thing you can be quite certain: people who switch from "article directory marketing" to "article marketing" don't switch back.

            "It might help" in the sense that there can be a benefit to using article directories for article directory backlinks and article directory traffic; but it's just such a tiny benefit that, compared with real article marketing, nobody's going to make a living from it (apart from maybe a small number of people who've been doing it for many years and are expert at it - and for the reasons Allen Graves wisely alludes to in his post immediately above, they'll probably gradually be changing their minds soon anyway - but almost nobody starting off now is likely to make a living from it at all).
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            • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
              Hi Alexa! Well said. Keep the good information coming!
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            • Profile picture of the author Robert Dempsey
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I use article directories every day.

              But I don't use article directory submission services, because their only real benefits are for backlinks, and the backlinks you can get through syndication to better quality, more context-relevant sites are (literally) tens of thousands of times as good.

              I used to do that, but I've learned better.
              So that begs the question Alexa are there any good resources for those looking to do article marketing "the right way" as opposed to the total crap and lies being sold to us?

              I'm testing out some (what may now be supposed) article marketing for one of my niche sites and the backlinks are showing up and I've had a 200+ position jump for one of my three major keywords. However it could and is probably other factors.

              Either way, any recommendations for those of use new to article marketing? Much appreciated.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                There's a really good e-book by Bill Platt ("tpw") which you can download free of charge from the link in his signature-file.
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              • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
                Originally Posted by Robert Dempsey View Post

                So that begs the question Alexa are there any good resources for those looking to do article marketing "the right way" as opposed to the total crap and lies being sold to us?

                I'm testing out some (what may now be supposed) article marketing for one of my niche sites and the backlinks are showing up and I've had a 200+ position jump for one of my three major keywords. However it could and is probably other factors.

                Either way, any recommendations for those of use new to article marketing? Much appreciated.
                The major resource you want to consult is the single sentence that follows this one.

                Stop creating content to please Google, and start creating content to please readers.

                From that simple premise, all the rest flows quite easily and naturally.

                When you create content with an attitude that says, "bollocks to Google if they don't like it," many things happen at once.

                ...You stop trying to cram your content full of awkward SEO-rich phrases that, stylistically speaking, have no business in a properly written sentence to begin with.

                ...You begin to actively and positively engage a much higher percentage of your readers than you would have had you been trying to appease the Google-bots.

                ...You attract the notice of other folks who are engaged in the business of discussing your subject with actual human readers.

                ...You create something that people who are passionate about your subject (and, after all, THEY are your target audience) remember, and think about, and possibly share.

                ...Suddenly, everything you write has the chance to be more than a one-off content stuffer. It has the chance to be the first salvo in a succession of contacts among like minded readers, thinkers, and buyers. Blog owners will recognize your name, and become eager for your content. Ditto for ezine publishers. And the biggest ditto of all for the readers.

                The upshot of all this, is that even though you may be losing some amount of Googlejuice, you replace the eyes you might have lost from a higher SEO rank with the eyes of people who have gone, literally, out of their way to find content exactly like yours.

                And ask any marketer. Would he rather have 1,000 sets of apathetic eyes fall upon his hard-wrought messages? Or would he prefer 50 sets of passionate ones? The good news is, when you get noticed, and get known as somebody who actually *does* create real content, for real humans, instead of somebody simply sowing SEO seeds around the Internet plains, you're likely to draw way more sets of eyes than that. Eager eyes.

                It's my belief that the way forward is to pretty much ignore Google. And ironically, as they adjust their algorithms in search of higher quality content, you may just end up appeasing them along the way as well.
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                • Profile picture of the author Robert Dempsey
                  Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

                  The major resource you want to consult is the single sentence that follows this one.

                  Stop creating content to please Google, and start creating content to please readers.

                  From that simple premise, all the rest flows quite easily and naturally.
                  I've been doing this for all of my main authority-style sites and it works quite well. For my niche sites I have not used article marketing up until this point - I'm testing the waters so to speak. I've hired an article writer to write quality content that I am releasing on a regular basis on the blog portions of my niche sites. While there is very little SEO in mind on these articles, they do get traffic and are meant more to help the readers, not just "bulk up" the site.

                  Seemingly I have run into the same advice that many others have - get the articles out there as wide and deep as possible to build links to niche sites which are mainly a simple source of revenue. While this is a short-term view it does seem many (not here necessarily) give this as the advice, hence we that find this advice get sidetracked with the crap.

                  From the advice you've given I should do what I do on all of my authority sites - create quality, original content that helps, and focus more on syndication.

                  Much appreciated.
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            • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I use article directories every day.


              Of one thing you can be quite certain: people who switch from "article directory marketing" to "article marketing" don't switch back.
              Alexa,

              That is an interesting concept.... that there is a difference between "article directory marketing" versus "article marketing".

              I want to make the switch to true article marketing. But what I am wondering is that does "article marketing" imply that you write articles but don't post them to article directories, and you post them to your own websites instead?
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              • Profile picture of the author BulletheadX
                "That is an interesting concept.... that there is a difference between "article directory marketing" versus "article marketing".

                Perhaps instead of trying to change the name of the "bad" type of article marketing to "article directory marketing", y'all should change the name of the "good" type of article marketing to "article syndication" (since that's the name/descriptor to which everyone seems to default). Re-brand the "good" process and at the same time distance it from the bad old days and ways, no?
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                • Profile picture of the author drmani
                  Originally Posted by BulletheadX View Post

                  "That is an interesting concept.... that there is a difference between "article directory marketing" versus "article marketing".

                  Perhaps instead of trying to change the name of the "bad" type of article marketing to "article directory marketing", y'all should change the name of the "good" type of article marketing to "article syndication" (since that's the name/descriptor to which everyone seems to default). Re-brand the "good" process and at the same time distance it from the bad old days and ways, no?
                  EXCEPT... there's nothing 'bad' about article directory marketing.

                  At all.

                  Indeed, for YEARS, since Travis started the 'bum marketing' movement, that
                  very activity has got hundreds launched in a career in Internet marketing.

                  Look, the difference is in how much LEVERAGE you get for the same effort.

                  If it's fair exchange of time and labor for money, article directory marketing
                  works just fine.

                  If you're looking for exponential leverage from every minute and ounce of
                  work you invest into your writing, you must tap into the reach and power of
                  article syndication.

                  It's like a day trader selling a winning stock, then going out and partying
                  with the quick profits - versus investing it into bluechips for the longer
                  term and reaping ongoing rewards from dividends and stock appreciation...
                  both options being possible for the exact same research into his chosen
                  stock pick!

                  Or to stick to the article writing analogy, it's like doing work for hire
                  as a freelancer (where you get paid once) versus writing for your own site
                  where the content remains forever, earning you ongoing income from whatever
                  way you chose to monetize it effectively.

                  Article directory marketing has a place in an information marketers arsenal.
                  It has limits to efficiency, unless done with a spin - in which case it
                  gets exponentially more profitable.

                  The point is that spin is relatively simpler and easier than the actual
                  writing itself - which is why you see so many article experts advising
                  going that extra inch which makes all the difference.

                  Maybe your description can be tweaked to read:

                  Article directory marketing = "good article marketing"

                  Article syndication = "BETTER article marketing"



                  All success
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      • Profile picture of the author MBizInc
        It all depends on what the client requests and what the website allows for publishing.

        Personally, I am not a fan of spinned articles. And our teams of writers usually write original content.

        But hey, the Internet offers freedom for anyone. So freelancers seek what is best for them.
        If things go on like they are right now, soon there will be a need of original content. 100% original. So eventually, things will change. For better, we hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    In a word, Yes!

    This is part of the reason that the update was put into place (I believe).

    My actual take on article spinners is they do not work, for me anyway.

    I have tried using them but always found that I can get better results by writing REAL content that provides value and then getting the articles syndicated.

    As it is real value and solves a problem in the article some of them go viral and become popular and I get tons of traffic to my website or blog.

    Although to answer your question:

    Yes the update will make it harder for you to rank if you are throwing out generic articles that are 90% the same.

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author SylvainM
    Sorry I don't have a thank you button yet, but I do thank you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    The problem with "article marketing" in the Internet marketing industry started back around 2003. Back then, article marketing was just that - marketing.

    Slowly but surely, people began realizing that the more links they had to their website, the better their S.E. rankings would be. This idea became mainstream when Google admitted that this was actually the case.

    At that time, article marketing quickly took on a new and entirely different definition in the Internet marketing world. Instead of being used to share information/news, brand your product/image, strive to write great stuff so people would come to your site prequalified and eager to buy (usually nearer the end of the purchasing mindset), it changed to nothing but getting backlinks to your website.

    Article directory owners were swamped with a bunch of crappy, spun content. Remember complaining about it taking months to get an article published at some of the premier directories? Well, that's why - they literally had submission queues thousands and thousands of articles long.

    Then came the marketers who decided to actually create article directories for Adsense income. They were auto-accepting all of this trash. Why should they care? The pages were ranking and they were making cash from Adsense. So began the rush of "bottom-feeding" article directories.

    Since then, hundreds of millions of these crappy article pages were published, syndicated around the Internet and over the course of a few years, we ended up where we are today - an Internet flooded with shallow, duplicate and often unhelpful content and sales pitches.

    Meanwhile -

    The original definition of "article marketing" and those who were dedicated to the model were losing traction and some even losing their entire businesses because they were drowned out by all of the crap that was outranking their legitimate articles and content.

    The original purpose and definition of "article marketing" were all but eliminated by greedy (although admittedly smart) Internet marketers who were doing nothing but spamming the Internet with crap so they could get backlinks to their sites.

    So to answer your question -

    ...and this is just my opinion, but I've been around a while.

    If your definition of "article marketing" is the mainstream Internet marketer's definition - which is to use article directories to get backlinks to your website - then, absolutely. The example you provided is not what was killing article marketing, but what did kill it. It is now dead for that purpose. Google, via Matt Cutts, last week admitted that links from most article directories are pretty much worthless now. So spinners, mass submitters and the like are now useless and I wouldn't be surprised to see most of them slowly disappear over the next few months. They're not needed anymore (according to what is being said related to submitting articles for backlinks).

    But if your definition of article marketing is about branding, prequalifying your visitors, getting people interested in your niche, working to make yourself and your services a top player in your niche, then no - the example you provided didn't kill article marketing at all.

    In fact, it resurrected it and brought everything full circle.

    Article marketing is in the process of being given back to the true article marketers...the small and mid-sized business owners and those who enjoy publishing high-quality content and seeing real results from their efforts, not just supposed increases in search engine result pages!

    If you have any old ebooks or information from back in the day, get it out and read it. It's kind of funny, but that's just what I've done over the last few days and it is remarkable that now, after all of this, it is accurate again. After 5 or 6 years and becoming obsolete because of the crap competition and saturation, it is starting to work again.

    The next couple of months will be very interesting to watch, for sure.

    Good luck and KEEP WRITING!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Article marketing is in the process of being given back to the true article marketers...the small and mid-sized business owners and those who enjoy publishing high-quality content and seeing real results from their efforts, not just supposed increases in search engine result pages!

      If you have any old ebooks or information from back in the day, get it out and read it. It's kind of funny, but that's just what I've done over the last few days and it is remarkable that now, after all of this, it is accurate again. After 5 or 6 years and becoming obsolete because of the crap competition and saturation, it is starting to work again.

      The next couple of months will be very interesting to watch, for sure.

      Good luck and KEEP WRITING!
      Allen Graves

      Allen is one of those rare people who have been involved in article marketing for almost as long as I have.

      He has summarized the story of article marketing on the Internet very well.

      He describes those people who have used article marketing as a tool for "branding, prequalifying your visitors, getting people interested in your niche, working to make yourself and your services a top player in your niche".

      That is the only way I have ever used article marketing. Right or wrong, it is the way I do things.

      What is most interesting to me about that is the model he defined is also a strategy that has been used in print media for decades.

      What? You thought we Internet Marketers created article marketing? :rolleyes:



      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      There's a really good e-book by Bill Platt ("tpw") which you can download free of charge from the link in his signature-file.

      You have to follow the link to my WF blog to get the link for that ebook.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Article marketing is in the process of being given back to the true article marketers...the small and mid-sized business owners and those who enjoy publishing high-quality content and seeing real results from their efforts, not just supposed increases in search engine result pages!
      LOVE that quote. Might swipe it for using elsewhere (if that's ok with you,
      Allen! )

      If you have any old ebooks or information from back in the day, get it out and read it. It's kind of funny, but that's just what I've done over the last few days and it is remarkable that now, after all of this, it is accurate again.
      Wow! Coincidentally, I've dug out three great guides from my archives and
      been reading them lately. They are about the "lost art of article writing"


      They are:

      * Michael Southon's EZINE WRITER
      (don't think this is available for sale, it's from 2002)

      * Jim Edward's TURN WORDS INTO TRAFFIC
      Turn Words Into Traffic

      * Dr.Ken Evoy's MAKE YOUR CONTENT PRESELL (now a free download)
      Make Your Content PREsell!

      Do you have any other favorites, Allen? Chances are they are lying on my
      hard drive, and it would be instructive to review them again.

      All success
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by drmani View Post

        ...the "lost art of article writing"
        * Jim Edward's TURN WORDS INTO TRAFFIC
        Turn Words Into Traffic

        All success
        Dr.Mani
        I have long ago forgotten about this one, "Turn Words Into Traffic", although I've had it on my hard drive for over seven years. Thanks for reminding me, Dr Mani. It basically summarizes everything I have ever posted here in the WF regarding article syndication, as well as what all of the other experienced and successful writers have said, LOL!

        One of the authors, Jim Edwards was a syndicated newspaper columnist. This ebook is much more relevant than ever now, and well worth the investment of $39 available through Clickbank. Many have acted as if this concept of syndication is something new. We're back to the future.
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        • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
          Hey Sylvain,

          The process of article marketing isn't dying.

          I think the Ezine articles team creamed a lot of articles that had a high bounce rate and some with those articles that didn't make sense - were obvious rewrites.

          You see there is spinning and there is rewriting and there is research and writing.

          Let's assume you get to do an article on Quantum Physics and the importance of Calculus in theories of Astro Physics.

          I just went blank thinking about it.

          Now you would have to research a topic you know nothing about. What should be done is that the article should be rewritten to accommodate this option, but how it is rewritten is the thing.

          I think things that just add synonyms will only hurt in the long run as one topic can be completely saturated until Google finds a way to block spun content.

          So don't worry continue as you were.
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          • Profile picture of the author ruthlindsey
            Many thanks to the brilliant minds posting here! After a week long trial period, I was about to spend $37 to join an im training site I found on WF. There we are taught to use article spinners and being new I trusted the im site trainers seeing as they've made millions in im. While I have learned quite a lot over there, something told me to come back here. I'm so glad I did! You are are helping me to "eat the meat and spit out the bones"...
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            • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
              Originally Posted by ruthlindsey View Post

              ...After a week long trial period, I was about to spend $37 to join an im training site I found on WF. There we are taught to use article spinners and being new I trusted the im site trainers seeing as they've made millions in im. While I have learned quite a lot over there, something told me to come back here...
              The person(s) you are following over there may actually have proof that the technique in questions works (worked). But the problem is that times change and rules change and people who become content in their teachings don't realize that what they're teaching may not be working anymore.

              I remember back in the day, after Google began penalizing for hidden text and keyword tag stuffing - for months and month, people continued to teach others that it was the best thing since sliced bread - all the while, their students were getting banned left and right.

              It's OK to "follow" other people, but you should always stay up-to-date on things in this industry on your own. This is your business - your life - that's we're talking about here. Don't leave it completely in the hands of anyone else. Always question, always ask, "How can I know this is true?"

              Good luck!
              Allen

              p.s. Chances are that if anyone has made millions in IM, they probably won't be pimping their stuff in a WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cash37
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      The problem with "article marketing" in the Internet marketing industry started back around 2003. Back then, article marketing was just that - marketing.

      Slowly but surely, people began realizing that the more links they had to their website, the better their S.E. rankings would be. This idea became mainstream when Google admitted that this was actually the case.

      At that time, article marketing quickly took on a new and entirely different definition in the Internet marketing world. Instead of being used to share information/news, brand your product/image, strive to write great stuff so people would come to your site prequalified and eager to buy (usually nearer the end of the purchasing mindset), it changed to nothing but getting backlinks to your website.

      Article directory owners were swamped with a bunch of crappy, spun content. Remember complaining about it taking months to get an article published at some of the premier directories? Well, that's why - they literally had submission queues thousands and thousands of articles long.

      Then came the marketers who decided to actually create article directories for Adsense income. They were auto-accepting all of this trash. Why should they care? The pages were ranking and they were making cash from Adsense. So began the rush of "bottom-feeding" article directories.

      Since then, hundreds of millions of these crappy article pages were published, syndicated around the Internet and over the course of a few years, we ended up where we are today - an Internet flooded with shallow, duplicate and often unhelpful content and sales pitches.

      Meanwhile -

      The original definition of "article marketing" and those who were dedicated to the model were losing traction and some even losing their entire businesses because they were drowned out by all of the crap that was outranking their legitimate articles and content.

      The original purpose and definition of "article marketing" were all but eliminated by greedy (although admittedly smart) Internet marketers who were doing nothing but spamming the Internet with crap so they could get backlinks to their sites.

      So to answer your question -

      ...and this is just my opinion, but I've been around a while.

      If your definition of "article marketing" is the mainstream Internet marketer's definition - which is to use article directories to get backlinks to your website - then, absolutely. The example you provided is not what was killing article marketing, but what did kill it. It is now dead for that purpose. Google, via Matt Cutts, last week admitted that links from most article directories are pretty much worthless now. So spinners, mass submitters and the like are now useless and I wouldn't be surprised to see most of them slowly disappear over the next few months. They're not needed anymore (according to what is being said related to submitting articles for backlinks).

      But if your definition of article marketing is about branding, prequalifying your visitors, getting people interested in your niche, working to make yourself and your services a top player in your niche, then no - the example you provided didn't kill article marketing at all.

      In fact, it resurrected it and brought everything full circle.

      Article marketing is in the process of being given back to the true article marketers...the small and mid-sized business owners and those who enjoy publishing high-quality content and seeing real results from their efforts, not just supposed increases in search engine result pages!

      If you have any old ebooks or information from back in the day, get it out and read it. It's kind of funny, but that's just what I've done over the last few days and it is remarkable that now, after all of this, it is accurate again. After 5 or 6 years and becoming obsolete because of the crap competition and saturation, it is starting to work again.

      The next couple of months will be very interesting to watch, for sure.

      Good luck and KEEP WRITING!
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      Sounds good, but when your articles arent getting indexed... then its a moot point, is it not?
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

        Sounds good, but when your articles arent getting indexed... then its a moot point, is it not?

        There are 4 benefits of article marketing, and only two of them utilize search engines.
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Dempsey
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          There are 4 benefits on article marketing, and only two of them utilize search engines.
          I just finished one of Bill's paid eBooks as well as his free eBook and they are awesome for article marketing. It's pretty much 100% different than what I've been told for quite sometime, and is more focused (in my opinion) on the bottom line result of the articles - making money with a serious method. Pure awesome.

          Thanks to Alexa for pointing me to Bill.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

        Sounds good, but when your articles arent getting indexed... then its a moot point, is it not?
        Nobody, not even Google, has said that the articles are not being indexed.

        Be careful not to confuse indexing/ranking with passing page authority.

        The articles are still being indexed and ranking highly, you just need to find out which directories are ranking well now for which niches. There's even a chance that the places you've been submitting to are getting just as much, if not more traffic to your articles since Panda.

        You guys and gals need to set aside some time to do your own research about Panda and study your own statistics and rankings - instead of relying on a bunch of opinion and speculation. Do that and you'll see things a lot more clearly - I promise you that!

        Also, there is nothing wrong with getting your article in front of as many eyeballs as possible - that's what you're supposed to do. The issue lies in how people think they should do it, and it certainly doesn't involve spamming article directories with mass submitters and giving bottom-feeding article directories more fodder.

        And Doc Mani - I sent you a PM!

        Good luck and KEEP WRITING,
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoWizzard
    Article spinning still works, but you just have to take your time and do a complex spin
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    • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
      Originally Posted by SeoWizzard View Post

      Article spinning still works, but you just have to take your time and do a complex spin
      I think you might call that a rewrite.

      I do that quite often for content for my site and my blog. I see these "crap" articles out there that have been run through an automated spinner to the point of not making any sense at all, but the main concept is still buried in there somewhere. You might have to really look for it. :rolleyes:

      Here's a good example of what I would call a piece of garbage article but one that still has potential:
      Unusual Party Favors | Unique Party Favors | Unusual Wedding Favors

      "Unique party favors can also be very practical and useful because many of them anything to get what we encourage, but we can not believe that we have." What???

      So I take articles like the one above and rewrite them into valuable and informative ideas and tips that my readers will like.

      I kind of have fun with it too, trying to turn some trash into something usable. Beats my writer's block.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    25 spun versions of the same article, now that is what I call quality content!

    Google should just blacklist all of those sites and forget about them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    Another reason people like spinners and auto submitters - is becasue it is easy, and it looks like it does a lot.

    Look at the percieved advantages:

    Write an article in 5 minutes

    Why 5 minutes? Well after you have spun it 500+ times it is going to turn into crap anyway! Also 495 out of the 500 article directories it will be submitted to don't have any human readers, so there is no point in writing for humans as opposed to search engine spiders.

    Spin your article 500 times with just one click of the mouse

    Sounds impressive doesn't it - 500 unique articles! It would cost a lot of money or time to get 500 unique articles any other way. Of course no-one mentions that 495 of them are completely unreadable! No-one questions why you need 500 articles all saying the same thing - and those that do confuse duplicate and syndicated content.

    Submit your article to 500 directories with one click of the mouse.

    This also sounds impressive - automation saves many hours of work. But about those 500 directories - how many of them are still in existence, and still accepting and approving articles? How many of them provide any value other than the backlink. How many of those directories are simply not going to approve your article anyway (That directory for dog articles will not want your latest opus on **** berry)


    This is one reason people use this type of thing - it looks like you are automating boring routine stuff - and getting a great return. There was even a time when it worked for a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    In this case the problem is more with the site, that doesn't seem to have any quality control, than the author. But in the long term this is not going to help as I simply can't see the value in publishing like that as it guarantees a Google slap for the site and , consequently, loss of how much the links are worthy to the author.
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  • Quality will still rise to the top.

    Nothing is killing anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Articles will always be around. The problem came out of greed. Google was giving too much love to large adsense article directories that had way too much garbage content.

    -Google was greedy by sending so much organic traffic to low quality, high keyword quality articles just because they had massive adsense ads all over the place.

    -The directories was greedy when they decided to approve garbage articles

    -The marketers were greedy when they spun senseless articles for pure profit instead of focusing on quality and value for their readers.

    This mess will eventually clean itself up. Article marketing will always be around. What's happening right now is good. It's cleaning up the crap that's readily available all over the net leaving room for good marketers who want to put in the time for more quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
      Originally Posted by pmiafa View Post

      dreadful things those sipnners
      I bought a copy of The Best Spinner last year, because I was tired of spinning articles by hand. I must say that it is an impressive tool.

      But I also found that The Best Spinner does NOT save any time whatsoever, in my opinion. You still have to go through and manual review the spun article to ensure grammatical correctness.... and then sometimes even FIX mistakes that were made by the program.

      So while it may save some manual effort, I find that it takes just as much time to spin an article using The Best Spinner, as it does to spin it by hand, AND to write a new article from scratch.

      Each one is tedious / time consuming / requires various degrees of creative thought in their own right. For me, article spinning is a terribly boring process, regardless of whether I use software or not.... It puts me to sleep.
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      • Profile picture of the author diegoortiz
        in my opinion article marketing has worked very well for me, now i advice that instead of having 200 links from 1 site and user,, its better to have 3-5 in 10 sites with different usernames. but im no SEO expert I just now it works. good luck on your business...
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  • Profile picture of the author danemorgan
    I know this is about "Article Marketing", but i am struck by the fact that if you were to take the words Allen Graves, Alexa Smith, tpw and Oxbloom have written here and substituted the words "niche blogging" for "article marketing" you would have another spot on analysis that would do another set of people well to read.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOExpert999
    This type of marketing only work when you use relevant and problem solving content. Excellent content is the only way to stay in front.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana K
    I agree that "article directory marketing" (not article marketing) will phase itself out; an industry can only accept so much garbage.

    When I first started writing articles, I admit to trying the article spinning route. I was new to IM and was told that's how article marketing was done. I spun about three articles into dozens of versions, posted the spin-offs on hundreds of directories and then was left feeling definitely deflated. I knew I'd posted work far below my best efforts, and it seemed a bit manipulative.

    If the idea of a search engine is to return helpful content, how helpful is it to have the top ten results be the same article, only all worded just a bit differently? It's happened to me several times. And although that's great for the person who spun those articles, for a live person, it's actually annoying to have to sift & compare all those nearly-identical articles.

    Beyond that, there's little satisfaction in article spinning for a true writer. While the spun articles read okay on their own, the finished products were far inferior than the original I'd written.

    My articles reach far fewer directories these days, but at least I'm proud to put my name on them. And I show more respect for my readers, because they're getting my best. Isn't that who we're ultimately writing for, anyway?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Dana K View Post

      I agree that "article directory marketing" (not article marketing) will phase itself out; an industry can only accept so much garbage.

      When I first started writing articles, I admit to trying the article spinning route. I was new to IM and was told that's how article marketing was done. I spun about three articles into dozens of versions, posted the spin-offs on hundreds of directories and then was left feeling definitely deflated. I knew I'd posted work far below my best efforts, and it seemed a bit manipulative.

      If the idea of a search engine is to return helpful content, how helpful is it to have the top ten results be the same article, only all worded just a bit differently? It's happened to me several times. And although that's great for the person who spun those articles, for a live person, it's actually annoying to have to sift & compare all those nearly-identical articles.

      Beyond that, there's little satisfaction in article spinning for a true writer. While the spun articles read okay on their own, the finished products were far inferior than the original I'd written.

      My articles reach far fewer directories these days, but at least I'm proud to put my name on them. And I show more respect for my readers, because they're getting my best. Isn't that who we're ultimately writing for, anyway?
      I've had this happen numerous times to me as well. It's incredibly annoying to see these "reworded" articles all showing up on the first page of Google or some other search engine, and I can see why Google is actively taking steps to get rid of this phenomenon.

      Even if these "spun" articles somehow make it to the first page of Google after all the recent changes, it still won't do the person submitting them much good - as we've both stated, it's just really annoying, and chances are the majority of people are just going to quickly click away from these obviously rewritten articles.

      The issue here is that these articles are only written for the search engines and not humans, and won't convert well as a result, making their first page position in the search engines a moot point anyway.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chuah
    I think article marketing is here to stay. However, we need to diversified the link building activities. What is more important is to get backlink with real link juice from authority sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author CH Yeo
      Article marketing will go on just like writing will. What is not good is crappy writers. No wonder EzineArticles.com recently has a new membership level - the Diamond Level - to differentiate the best from among the crop ... and within the crop are the crappy ones.
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