These posts made me sick to my stomach...

Emailrevealer

15 years ago

I've never bought an ebook and I make money online.

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

I wouldn't say you have to spend money. But you will have to put in more time.

I can find free information on these forums, other forums, in book stores, library, than any 30$ ebook will ever give me.

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talfighel

15 years ago

Guys, you are not getting my point. I am referring to the people who are new to internet marketing.

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MaskedMarketer 15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Guys, you are not getting my point. I am referring to the people who are new to internet marketing.

Tal

I understand you're point. When I want to learn something new, I go to forums, library, and book store.
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Emailrevealer 15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Guys, you are not getting my point. I am referring to the people who are new to internet marketing.

Tal

I may be missing your point. Sorry.
But even when I was new, brand new I never boght an ebook.
I learned everything for free. 99% from this forum. I got a lot of great advice, help and tips. Even some outright charity when I was in big trouble. But it was all free and never from an ebook.

oops I take that back, I bought the Perry Marshall PPC course. It was a huge help to my PPC campaign. Sorry.
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eholmlund

15 years ago

Sure you can "make money" online without spending money, but if you want to build a real BUSINESS, you need to spend some money. At a bare minimum you need a computer, an internet connection, a domain/website, and probably a few other tools.

And don't tell me you can go sit at the public library and work on their computer all day or something... if you're serious about starting an online business you have to make at least a small investment.

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talfighel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by eholmlund

Sure you can "make money" online without spending money, but if you want to build a real BUSINESS, you need to spend some money. At a bare minimum you need a computer, an internet connection, a domain/website, and probably a few other tools.

And don't tell me you can go sit at the public library and work on their computer all day or something... if you're serious about starting an online business you have to make at least a small investment.

Thank you and AMEN to that.

That is what I was referring to people.

Tal

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by eholmlund

Sure you can "make money" online without spending money, but if you want to build a real BUSINESS, you need to spend some money. At a bare minimum you need a computer, an internet connection, a domain/website, and probably a few other tools.

And don't tell me you can go sit at the public library and work on their computer all day or something... if you're serious about starting an online business you have to make at least a small investment.

GENIUS! I haven't been making money all this time because I need my own computer and internet system :rolleyes:

Don't forget to invest in food and shelter, first!

You don't NEED to spend ANY money. You PUT IN WORK. You put in TIME.

And I agree with you, that you should invest money. But you do not have to spend your own money at first.

The OP said I need to buy training ebooks for 30$ to make money, LOL...

By the time you get to an e-book that is worth the time, you've already spent over 30$. Most information you can find in an ebook (for newbie stuff) can be found for free here.

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eric is an affiliate marketer, of course he's going to tell you different! It will take longer with no money, but to say it won't work is plain ignorant.

And to the OP- You didnt know this would happen going into your market? did you happen to research your market at all?

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David

15 years ago

And don't tell me you can go sit at the public library and work on their computer all day or something... if you're serious about starting an online business you have to make at least a small investment.

Umm, I did just that.

didn't have a computer

didn't have a car

didn't have a roof over my head (other than the Frederick Maryland Homeless Shelter)

did make money

made enough to get my ass out of the homeless shelter too

and did it with Free Blogspot blogs
see my WF blog post

http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/da...s-shelter.html

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by David

Umm, I did just that.

didn't have a computer

didn't have a car

didn't have a roof over my head (other than the Frederick Maryland Homeless Shelter)

did make money

made enough to get my ass out of the homeless shelter too

and did it with Free Blogspot blogs
see my WF blog post

http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/da...s-shelter.html

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Emailrevealer

15 years ago

I'd spend 30 on PPC or a directory submission service or maybe 3 articles before I'd buy an ebook.

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MaskedMarketer 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Emailrevealer

I'd spend 30 on PPC or a directory submission service or maybe 3 articles before I'd buy an ebook.

This may or may not be smart.

Anyone who says you HAVE to pay (for ebook) to see results is only saying that because they are selling you something. I , personally like to invest money, but when you're creative, you actually don't need your own money to start.

What is an Ebook?

An ebook is information.

You can find information on blogs, forums, by networking with other people, library, book store, etc.

There is no secret, its out there for free (atleast most "newbie" stuff)

Its true most newbies will have a very hard time making money with out money (they'll have a hard time making money with money too), but using that powerful device called your mind can actually do wonders, lol..

Very few people still use that thing
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15 years ago

I don't have a problem with people not wanting to spend
money on e-books because that's really not a necessity
to making money online. Besides you can obtain so much
information online for free these days that it's best to
invest your money elsewhere. I do have a problem with
people who do not want to learn anything - and I mean
nothing - they think they can hire someone else to do
EVERYTHING for them. Another thing that bothers me is
newbies not wanting to setup a real web presence and
thinking that EVERYTHING they do should be on the free
services like tripod and squidoo. That's fine for a while
but eventually you need to establish a REAL presence if
you plan to be taken seriously.

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Frank Donovan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

Tal,

Have you ever thought that perhaps you were a little too sensitive for this business?

Just sayin'

Frank

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DonDavis

15 years ago

I don't really think it's a matter of needing to spend money to make a little money. I am sure there are thousands out there trying to find their way based on free information. But it is a matter of how much easier, quicker, and how much more money they could be making if they were willing to spend a little on their education.

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Bob Monie

15 years ago

You can make money without investing but alot of factors come into it, that work against you. Alot of luck involved.
lucky enough to find this forum, which i consider the best internet marketing resource on the net. better than any products available.
lucky enough to choose the right marketing path.
lucky enough to find the right niche, etc, etc.
Obviously without investment its going to take 10 times as long to build your business and see any profit. To long for these tight ass newbies who simply loose motivation after seeing no profit and quit.

Iv always believed that it "takes money to make money". And this is so true for a very high percentage of us. Without investing in new marketing tools, my business would go nowhere, fast.

I can see how it would be hard for some. In countries where $1 - $2 an hour is a common wage, i can see how it would be like 2 weeks wage to buy $100 corse.

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Trent Brownrigg

15 years ago

I don't think the original poster was necessarily saying that you must buy an ebook or spend money on any other specific thing. I think his point was that most people coming into online business think they are going to get rich overnight without doing anything or spending any money. When they find out that's not going to happen they usually start complaining and quit.

It almost always takes a lot of time, work, and some money to succeed online. That's just all there is to it. Yes, there are rare cases when this is not true, but you won't find many of them.

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talfighel

15 years ago

The ebook was just an example my friends.

I was referring to many things like PPC, getting your own domain name and having a host for that domain name.

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Steve Mount

15 years ago

My best selling ebook was written without ever purchasing anything related to earning money online. So, your post is not really valid for everyone.

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Eric Lorence

15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

That's our future competition...

God bless 'em

They can't all be serious about starting a home business, it would just make our job that much harder...

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Hesaidblissfully

15 years ago

I don't think it's an issue of spending money or not spending money. It's an issue of people taking their business seriously or not. Everybody wants to make money online, but few want to build a real business. And even many of the ones that do don't really know what "building a business" entails. It may require money. It WILL require time. No matter what, it involves effort, and you may or may not see any results for awhile.

Either way, I think the problem weeds itself out. You should let people know that if they really want to be successful, they need to think long term and build a business, but in the end, they're still going to do what they want to do. Some of them will take your advice and build a business. Others will keep the "make money online" mentality and eventually when it bombs, they'll reevaluate and decide that building a business really is the answer. Or, they'll just get frustrated and give up.

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

See, this is the thing about some people here that drives me nuts.

They focus on one line or one word that somebody says, forget about the
general context of the message, and beat him up on that one thing.

Look, I am the cheapest SOB on the planet when it comes to my business.
I can count the number of ebooks I've purchased on one hand in 6 years
of doing this. And yes, I could have found all this stuff for free..somewhere.

But when I first started out, I didn't know where to look. Hell, I didn't even
know that this forum existed. So for somebody with no direction, purchasing
some kind of home study course may very well be the best thing they could
do IF it's a good one.

Also, the OP mentioned putting in time. I'm still waiting for somebody to
show me a push button system so I can just hide in my recording studio
and record heavy metal all day.

The OP made some good points, though maybe not expressed as elegantly
as some would like. But just don't focus on the "buy an ebook" part
because that's not what he's saying. Even a dimwit like me can see that.

So how about we all come out of our ivory towers and realize that not
everybody can just go to all these places online, find all the info they
need, and put together a successful business. Some of us (me for one)
need some kind of general direction at the start in order to build a
foundation to work on. Today, I can pretty much get what I need from
the SEs because I learned how to use them.

New people may not be able to do that.

And again, he was talking about money and time, not just buying a $30
ebook.

Sometimes the anal retentiveness of this world drives me nuts.

Okay, so ease up on the guy...he actually makes sense if you read what
he's really saying.
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  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  And again, he was talking about money and time, not just buying a $30 ebook.
  
  Money and time. That's what it's all about.
  
  I know Ryan Deiss says he buys pretty much every major IM product that comes out, because it's a lot quicker to pay for good, proven information than to sort through a ton of free unproven content.
  
  If you don't have money to invest, you're probably going to have to invest a lot of time. But if you have the money, respect your time! I do.
  
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Franck Silvestre

15 years ago

Well said Steven! Crazy stuff going on on this thread...

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Louis Raven

15 years ago

IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

No it doesn't. For my whole first year online I never spent a penny and my second year I brought John Leger's eBook for $7.

In my first year I made.. well.. a few thousand pound.

I never suggest buying anything. I recommend learning though and that's completely free in every niche. I'd trade Mass-control, Traffic Secrets2.0 for the WarriorForum any day.

Just because they're not willing or able to spend doesn't mean they will not learn and build a probable fortune 500 company.

IMHO.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

No it doesn't. For my whole first year online I never spent a penny and my second year I brought John Leger's eBook for $7.

In my first year I made.. well.. a few thousand pound.

I never suggest buying anything. I recommend learning though and that's completely free in every niche. I'd trade Mass-control, Traffic Secrets2.0 for the WarriorForum any day.

Just because they're not willing or able to spend doesn't mean they will not learn and build a probable fortune 500 company.

IMHO.

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Louis

Bullshit ... and I say to ALL that claim they don`t
need to spend a penny to do this ... don`t pay your
electricity bill and tell me how far you get ... yes
THAT is also a cost of this business ... :rolleyes:

There will always be a cost, even if it isn`t a direct
one like ... "buying an ebook" ... buying a computer
5 years before you decide to start is STILL a cost.

There`s a lot of these sort of costs people don`t
take into account ... no matter what, you will spend
more than one penny before you make two ... one
way or the other ...

... for everyone.

Prove me wrong

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Biggy Fat

15 years ago

Couldn't agree more with the OP. I just wanna add in my two cents:

The only "method" out there that makes money without spending it is:

Get ready.....

The J-O-B.

Yeah, get yourself a job if you wanna make cash without spending any. In the online world, there IS NOT a true method that makes cash without spending any.

Okay, you're probably gonna say "But Biggy Fat, there's bum marketing!"

Yeah, bum marketing IS a way to get cash without spending any, but the percentage of failure is WAY TOO HIGH. That is, if you do it the traditional way. In order for bum marketing to REALLY start cranking out the cash, you're gonna need an advantage, and those advantages cost MONEY.

Same way with Associated Content: While the failure rate is a tad lower (and I say a TAD because AC may or may not accept your articles), you're gonna need some sort of advantage to make it work for you.

One other thing: There are dozens upon dozens of eBooks being released everyday that teach the latest method of "make money with no investment" or any form of it. But then when you scroll down, you see that you have to pay $20/$30/$40 or whatever for the eBook. Then newbies say crap like "Hey, I thought this didn't require an investment!" The point is this: In order to learn the no investment techniques shown, you will have to INVEST money. Because if you don't invest, you won't know the no investment technique shown. The moral of THAT story is: There are NO true "no investment" techniques. Because the money you plopped down on that eBook IS an investment.

Long story short: Grab some capital and gradually build something that's gonna last you a lifetime.

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Gregg Hall 15 years ago

The fact of the matter is that the online world is no different than offline. By that statement I mean that you have the same percentage of people that are successful AND the same type of people that are successful. If you work hard and SMART you will be successful, if you think that the internet is like a lottery ticket you will fail.

I am kind of like Steve Wagenheim in my work habits. Prior to internet marketing I managed construction projects, car dealerships, and owned a financial planning business so long hours are something I am used to. BUT, I also take off when I want, like a couple years ago when I rented a waterfront house in the Bahamas for a month!

I have been marketing online for 14 years and I plan to be able to retire completely within 3 years, maybe less depending upon how my company's stock offfering does over the next year or so.

Do something constructive everyday and at the end of the day ask yourself, "If I had employees working for me that did what I did today would my company succeed or fail?" If your answer is the latter then you need to kick yourslef in the butt and get to work.

So, LIMIT your time that you spend hanging out in forums make yourself accountable for your hours each day. Are you REALLY working or are you just B.S. ing yourself?

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15 years ago

Such a silly, silly thing.

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Rich_Newell

15 years ago

Why are you getting sick when you have lived in this world. People are people. Not all of them have the right mindset. When they don't have the right mindset they don't realize that money is easy to make and you have to work some to get the ball rolling.

Also, too many people wait until the get deep in a hole before they make the choice to change what they are doing. There is no funds left available for them. They need a jump start, a shot in the arm, a kick in the A. They have to stop thinking they are desperate for money and do some work.

Your job as a marketer is to educate and move on. If they follow you, they may make it. If they don't follow you it is not your problem. Just move on.

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Aaron Bennett

15 years ago

Usually I find that people pushing e-books, are the same people selling them...

Here is a good way for a lot of people, new or old to look at this...

If you are looking for "training", whether in sales, marketing, web affilate management, personal coaching, website optimization, whatever...

Why spend a crapload on an E-book, when you can order a "real" book through barnes & noble, or amazon, or whoever else.

What is the difference? At least a real book beared some scrutiny by a reputable publishing source - e-books do not. Also, because real books are not being massively "re-sold" through affiliateships, you can find reviews on them that are fairly non-biased through sources that are monitored appropriately. You spend the same 29 bucks, and you end up with information that is real and useful. If I am looking for e-book information, why would I by from a hack "selling how to get rich", when I can get practicle selling information from the Dale Carnegy group for the same price???

I know when you get online for a while, it is hard to forget there is a real world...Been there...But for newbies, yeah.....If you are buying training online, I hope you have a lot of cash to burn. Better yet, I have a bridge I can sell ya!

Good luck to you all...

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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaron Bennett

If I am looking for e-book information, why would I by from a hack "selling how to get rich", when I can get practicle selling information from the Dale Carnegy group for the same price???

I have all of Dale Carnegie's books on Internet marketing. They are right up there with Charles Dickens' guide to the iphone and Shakespeare's Camtasia tutorials.

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Mike McBride

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Merz

Hmmm ... that's funny. I thought Marketing on the Internet ... running an Online Business, was essentially still a business ... and demanded at least some degree of personal and monetary input in order to operate and grow.

You intend on building a 6 figure business using only free advertising? Free hosting? Free autoresponders? Free software? Free services? ... on your 'free' time?

If you're successful not treating your business like a business, and not spending a dime in the process ... that's an ebook I'd spend $30 on, anytime.

Best,

Mike Merz

Well said, Mike.

There will always be those who believe in some sort of "financial alchemy," in which
LAZINESS + IGNORANCE + LACK OF EFFORT = FINANCIAL SUCCESS.

And as always, there will be those who feed those pipe dreams. I remember a few months back, every time I watched a ball game or news show, there would be ads for some "make money on the internet" program (I believe it was something like "Crazy Like a Fox.") And there are the late night infomercials promising internet success without effort.

Hey, when I was a kid, it was promises of mail order riches that were all the rage. Heck, when John Taylor was a kid, the big promise was "Get Rich With The Telegraph!"

As is often said, times change, but people don't - human nature is what it is.

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I have all of Dale Carnegie's books on Internet marketing. They are right up there with Charles Dickens' guide to the iphone and Shakespeare's Camtasia tutorials.

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Diana Lane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaron Bennett

Usually I find that people pushing e-books, are the same people selling them...

Here is a good way for a lot of people, new or old to look at this...

If you are looking for "training", whether in sales, marketing, web affilate management, personal coaching, website optimization, whatever...

Why spend a crapload on an E-book, when you can order a "real" book through barnes & noble, or amazon, or whoever else.

What is the difference? At least a real book beared some scrutiny by a reputable publishing source - e-books do not. Also, because real books are not being massively "re-sold" through affiliateships, you can find reviews on them that are fairly non-biased through sources that are monitored appropriately. You spend the same 29 bucks, and you end up with information that is real and useful. If I am looking for e-book information, why would I by from a hack "selling how to get rich", when I can get practicle selling information from the Dale Carnegy group for the same price???

I know when you get online for a while, it is hard to forget there is a real world...Been there...But for newbies, yeah.....If you are buying training online, I hope you have a lot of cash to burn. Better yet, I have a bridge I can sell ya!

Good luck to you all...

When paying for training materials, newbies would actually be better off paying for an ebook rather than hard copy in many instances as an ebook is more likely to be current. There are lots of books in IM-related subjects (e.g. selling on eBay) that are still available for sale despite the fact that they were obsolete almost as soon as they hit the stands, due to the constantly changing nature of their subject matter. Not only are some of the eBay selling techniques being advised by these books ineffective or even impossible now, some would even get your account suspended because of changes to eBay's terms of service since publication.

Good luck too to the ebook-averse who are spending their money on 'real' books such as the WordPress ones that booksellers are still happily taking money for, which mostly describe WP 2.5 (a completely different beast to the current WP 2.7) because these 'real' books can't be produced quickly enough to keep up with upgrades.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,
Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.
Tal

I agree with you. Sure, you can make money without spending a dime on an ebook or software or anything else, but to me that seems like a waste of time, trying to get everything free. If you don't believe in yourself enough to "buy a pizza" you are not going to make the kind of mistakes that will ultimately teach you how to make money. Or maybe you don't believe there's anyone out there who can really teach you something of value. Which is also a mistake.

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Aaron Bennett 15 years ago

If I want to learn Photoshop, for instance, I could spend $50 for online "ebooks", that have not been scrutinized, published by a reputable source, and with little to no real un-biased scrutiny...I can go through dozens of online e-books, spending countless hours researching (because I have), and end up with some viable information, and a ton of inconsequential info...

OR...

I can spend $45 on a photoshop book at Barnes and Nobles or Amazon, written by on of the authors of photoshop, with a full scrutinized resume' on the cover, and the names of all those project editors, tech sources, etc...

What do you think would give me better information for the same price???

I would certainly NOT say there are NO good E-books online, but a good 95% are filled with 90%waste and 10% viable info...

However, if you like to spin your wheels and throw money out the window, don't let me stop you...It's your business...
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Li Weng

15 years ago

There are really only 2 choices:

a) spend the money to learn proven tactics and model other people's success
b) spend a lot of time and energy researching and trying to work it out on your own

It's either time or money, a basic trade-off. If you don't want to spend money, then expect to spend a lot of time and the possibility to not getting anywhere for years. If you want to take action now, then it's better to make that monetary investment and learn effective techniques which will make you money ASAP.

"Unfortunately, there are many people who stand in front of the stove of life and say, "Stove, give me some heat and I'll put some wood in you""

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Bob Monie

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Li Weng

"Unfortunately, there are many people who stand in front of the stove of life and say, "Stove, give me some heat and I'll put some wood in you""

-- Zig Ziglar

Hehe, thats a good one, must try to remember it.

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Here's how I learn a new program...

I click the Help tab, then the Help Contents... usually F1 in windows based apps..

If it's not a windows based app, but a script, I look at the help files that are included.

My point is, no matter what you are into, there is always a 'free help file' alternative to learn anything you want.

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

This should not make your stomach upset... it's simply a reality. The majority of people want to learn without having to pay for knowledge that is provided for free if you are willing to take the time to look for it.

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Kevin Riley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

Fully agree!

It doesn't make me sick to my stomach, but I discount them as people who will most likely never succeed and never build a true business.

If you're not willing to invest in your business, you will have a very hard time building it.

Having come from a time of offline business, where I once invested $75,000 in starting up a business, I find it difficult to comprehend the miserly mindset that stops someone from investing a measly $100 in their business.

I don't advocate waste or reckless spending. But investing in your business by buying info, tools, or services that will help it grow is just smart business.

Instead, I see people here who can't invest $100, but will go out and buy a $100 pair of shoes or a meal at a nice restaurant. WTF are your priorities? Read Kyosaki. Get a grip on how to spend your money!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

Completely disagree.

I focus entirely on SEO & article marketing for my income, and it works.

Just a domain purchase and hosting - that's it on financial costs over here.

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dbarnum

15 years ago

I know it's difficult for some people to believe, but really, some people have zero in the budget to invest at all to make money. It's just life. No shame there.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dbarnum

I know it's difficult for some people to believe, but really, some people have zero in the budget to invest at all to make money. It's just life. No shame there.

Sorry. I disagree. It's mismanagement of funds. How many people I see who have a crippling mortgage on some ridiculously oversized house, and can't invest in their future. that is just stupidity in my book.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Sorry. I disagree. It's mismanagement of funds. How many people I see who have a crippling mortgage on some ridiculously oversized house, and can't invest in their future. that is just stupidity in my book.

I agree with you Kevin on your mismanagement of funds info and living above your means, but mismanagement of 'time' is the real killer within any industry...

If you can properly manage your time & effort in any given field, you have an upper hand so to speak. Getting that right can be the difference between success and failure.

OK, for example, are you going to spend a years worth of your precious time learning a certain trade, or are you going to go to someone who has already put those learning experiences under their belts, and you can save yourself precious time in trying to learn what someone else has already learned and is willing to share with you?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Sorry. I disagree. It's mismanagement of funds. How many people I see who have a crippling mortgage on some ridiculously oversized house, and can't invest in their future. that is just stupidity in my book.

People make mistakes. Dismissing them and their capability to find their business niche and become successful because they put themselves in a bad financial position is pretty unfortunate.

Time, talent, treasure. If you're missing one of them, then do the most that you can with the other two. Success doesn't have to cost money to start, I've been in this business for way too long and seen people go from absolutely nothing to pretty substantial success. Heck, in my time I've even allowed one or two of those with nothing but desire attend one of my live sessions for free, just to help them get started.

If people truly desire to change their circumstances and truly don't have any funds to invest, they don't turn my stomach... no, they inspire me to want to help them get going.

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Kevin Riley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by faxinator

People make mistakes. Dismissing them and their capability to find their business niche and become successful because they put themselves in a bad financial position is pretty unfortunate.

I've made mistakes in my past, too. However, I would forgo other things to scratch up the money to invest in the future.

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Steven Carl Kelly 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

I've made mistakes in my past, too. However, I would forgo other things to scratch up the money to invest in the future.

Well, everyone's situation is different. Some people can't "forgo" groceries to feed their children to speculate and drop $30 on an online marketing course.
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- allisonwahm 15 years ago
  
  I don't believe you have to spend money to make money. Of course I have in the past about 7 years ago when I still thought you could get rich quick lol. But my hubby won't allow me to spend anymore money. Only make it. I'm sure one day when the time is right I will. But for now, I only invest time.
  
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- naruq 15 years ago
  
  In order to build a successful Online or offline business a person has to Invest time, money and in their education.
  
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  Originally Posted by naruq
  
  In order to build a successful Online or offline business a person has to Invest time, money and in their education.
  
  Thanks for the agreement....This is MY POINT.
  
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  Making money online can be time consuming if you do not have any money to invest. Somebody wrote about the fact that if you want to start a business you need money, if you don't have money, you need a job.
  
  I have to make money online through free stuffs but success has not been forthcoming. That does not mean you can make money online without spending money, but how long are you to work before making it without money? The money you spend on browsing the internet looking for free stuffs, don't you count that as money spent? If you are into affiliate marketing, will you not spend money on advertising? If you say that you can get free traffic from forum, seo, traffic exchanges and so on. How long will it take before you can begin to get the traffic and how much will you have spent browsing on the internet and learning how to, for example. master seo? Will you be patronised as a newbie on a forum?
  
  Let's face it. If you really want to be serious with your Internet Marketing Business, you need money. That's the fact of the matter.
  
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  Any successful business endeavor requires some investment - either time or money. Some may have a 95:5 time/money investment; others may have a 10:90 time/money investment. It all depends. One thing though, one must take action, which I think is paramount. Action doesn't mean over-studying something either - a problem which could lead to analysis-paralysis.
  
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Perhaps this could be a scarcity vs abundance mentality.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

This thread made me sick to my stomach.... LOL

I don't know about you Tal. Everybody have their own limitation.
$30 ebook might be nothing to you but it is really big for some of
us. For example, $30 ebook is equal to RM 100 in our local currency.
RM 100 is a lot for an ebook. Not everybody are willing to spend
RM 100 for an ebook. And what if you convert it to Indonesian Rupiah.

So I don't think it is proper for you to post this... it make all of us look
bad...All we want is their money...

It is up to them on how they want to learn their IM. We can't force
people to buy things if they don't want to. If they want to learn, let
them learn with their own pace.

My 2 cents,

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pavondunbar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by p1a1u1l1

What does it matter?

They will have to decide what's more valuable to them...Time or money.

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AverageGuy

15 years ago

you don't have to spend any money to start, but you will have to spend time, some time to work. there are so many ebooks 'teach' people to earn $$$$$ with a little $ and a little work, they may work for others, but unfortunately, never worked for me.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by p1a1u1l1

Regardless of the example, you can still build a business without spending a
penny in monetary terms.

However I agree the investment in time & effort has to be present.

EDIT: I've been there an done it, so I know it's possible to build a business without
any upfront investment. If you have no money to start with you have to put in the
time and learn by trial & error.

-paul

Thanks for your insight Paul... I identify with your reasoning... been there myself, and there is no stopping someone with no money, that has plenty of time & motivation as an initial 'investment'.

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James Schramko

15 years ago

Not buying any ebooks cost me a
lot of money in my first struggling
six months.

I bought and read a lot of business books in
my offline career to rise to a high level job
at an early age.

Once I applied this to online everything took
off.

I bought an expensive course, applied it,
went overseas for $10k. Applied the learning
and did it again. Applied it and a few other high
ticket courses that helped me learn and now I can
often make that in a day.

There is no way I would have achieved
this in less than a year taking the free path.

The other massive mistake I think people are
so incredibly wrong about is this notion of
bum marketing and using other peoples sites
to build a business on. Lunacy.

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briank99

15 years ago

Why get sick over something you can not change?

It really depends on your business model. You can do very well without spending money. Isn't that the business model of most charities and non-profit organizations? They make their money by not spending their own money. Red Cross is a multi-million dollar organization. A few panhandlers make a nice chunk of change.

Wasn't Carlton Sheets, No Money Down course based off of "Other People's Money" (OPM)? Using squidoo, free autoresponders, article directories, etc would be using OPM.

All these business models required time and effort, failure and success but not their cash investment.

So can you start a business online without cash? Yes. Can you be successful? Yes. BUT you must be very dedicated to working hard and expect more failure than success. But that also goes for the people that spend money.

With any business model, you spin the wheel and take your chances. Just don't cry when you lose.

Just my thoughts - free of charge!

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15 years ago

Allison:

There are lots of WAHM's like yourself who have started with nothing at all and through hard work have built themselves a successful online business.

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aleisterone

15 years ago

Hmm, I recently bought an ebook for 147$ that taught me how to spend 10 dollars and make 30$ with almost now work at all except writing an ad and setting up some links . It was worth it. The thing is..in order to make 3 thousand, I should spend 1 thousand. You can make money by not spending money, but you`ll have to pay something in the end,if not money then time. Or you can get a brilliant idea that I and many other people can`t think of.

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hughbanks

15 years ago

The roads to profit have already been paved. Along the way these roads yields knowledge.
All one has to do is adventure down these ALREADY paved roads to obtain it.

They are not Toll Roads (requiring payment). They are free to all that would like to travel upon them.

What is required is knowledge and it takes ones time and effort to obtain it.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to travel down theses roads.

But here's the thing.

New Roads are being built every day to help one save time getting from one place to another. If one doesn't get a new map then one might end up taking the long way around just to get to the same place.

When one starts a j.o.b. at any given excepted wage eventually one could over time rise in ranks to other positions if applicable. But non the less, the amount of experience/knowledge one picks up would justify the advancement. (in most cases).

When one works for themselves, it's one's own choice to how fast one wants to advance to a new level (since there are no rules laid out by another). It's ones own choice to when and how one wants to obtain the knowledge to justify any advancement.

When I hear someone say "I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY." I don't have a problem with that until the person that stated it starts complaining about the amount of time and effort it's taking to obtain the amount of money they are wanting to obtain.

If one can not afford to pay for knowledge, then one has to take the time to look for it. Complaining about something doesn't speed up results. it hinders focus.

I'm a firm believer in "Where there is a will there is a way".

Lose your will and you lose your way.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by hughbanks

The roads to profit have already been paved. Along the way these roads yields knowledge.
All one has to do is adventure down these ALREADY paved roads to obtain it.

They are not Toll Roads (requiring payment). They are free to all that would like to travel upon them.

What is required is knowledge and it takes ones time and effort to obtain it.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to travel down theses roads.

Bruce Hughbanks

Damn, I like that!!
"They are not Toll Roads"

I make money and do it from free blogspot blogs

... the same blogspot blogs that the guru's say are no good and you gotta be using wordpress on your own hosting account

and I do SEO

do SEO with blogspot blogs

and the blogspot blogs I make for my clients are outranking conventional websites in local SEO

... and they didn't cost me a dime, only time

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi Mike,

"Get Rich With The Telegraph!"

I thought it was stone tablets distributed by pterodactyls - attached just under the dorsal guiding feather?
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  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
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  I thought it was stone tablets distributed by pterodactyls - attached just under the dorsal guiding feather?
  
  Um, Roger, I only made my statement because there's an ocean between John and me - you're not so lucky. (I recently watched "Braveheart" again ... )
  
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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Originally Posted by David

Damn, I like that!!
"They are not Toll Roads"

I make money and do it from free blogspot blogs

... the same blogspot blogs that the guru's say are no good and you gotta be using wordpress on your own hosting account

and I do SEO

do SEO with blogspot blogs

and the blogspot blogs I make for my clients are outranking conventional websites in local SEO

You're giving away some good advice there Bro... Blogspot blogs DO have their place in the profit pond.. and a BIG place too... regardless of the naysayers

... and they didn't cost me a dime, only time

I get your point.. BUT.. time is my most valuable thing in the world.. use it wisely

not sayin' you don't.. just sayin'

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi Mike,

Um, Roger, I only made my statement because there's an ocean between John and me - you're not so lucky. (I recently watched "Braveheart" again ...

Bearing in mind the Mc, I'd say you felt safe because you might be of the same clan - particularly if you spend time watching those type of films

And on that note, I guess it's fair to mention that my clan historically don't see oceans as any sort of barrier, more as providing a false sense of security.

I must dash, as there are red-faced men in skirts swarming from the hills....yes, it's opening time, happy hour and there's footie on the box at the pub again.

(Ducks)
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talfighel

15 years ago

Wow, this thread has gone really far. That's great.

I probably did not get my message across properly so I will try again.

When a NEWBIE who is completly new to the internet world and wants to make money, what I have learned in the past 5 years of being online (THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED AND NOT YOU GUYS WHO GOT TO MAKE FREE MONEY WITHOUT INVESTING MUCH) is that it DOES take money to make money.

(AGAIN, THIS IS MY POINT OF VIEW)

From my own experience, it does take money to make money.

Second, I see so many people who want to succeed on the internet. They join a program that has proven time and time again to work for so many.

Let's take a look at MLM:

A program has made a lot of people really succeed online and the reason is because they followed a step by step instructions on where to ADVERTISE online. They were taught where to advertise and they were told that it would cost them money. So they did take those actions and evantually succeed.

Those who spent money and did what ever it took, did make money after all and are now full time network marketers.

Those who were looking for free ways and did not want to buy the products, books, motivational tapes from the company and still wanted to make money, did not succeed.

I am referring to those who DID NOT SUCCEED. Those of you who are here in the forum and are succeeding and did not spend anymoney whatsoever, your story is unique.

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15 years ago

I think MaskeMarketer said it short and sweet - your time is also money. Some training e-products are good and will save you time, and others are a waste of the digital paper they're printed on. The knowledge IS out there - the issue is how efficiently can a newbie find it and sift it out. If a $7 (or $70) ebook saves them 40 hours of research, that's a huge bargain.

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Aaron Bennett 15 years ago

I would agree with that, but here lies the problem:

An average newbie would have to pay for ten $70 ebooks before they find one that will truly help their business. Obviously, everyone will make the ebooks sound phenominally usefull when they are selling em'.

Why do that, when they can research for half the time and a third the expense?

Why do that, when they can buy a well-scrutinized book at a local bookstore? Yes, there are killer, proven books in print that will help you succeed...

Generally speaking, if you're a newbie, and you click on a link, and find that an e-book is being advertised. In other words, it says it will "make your clients come to you", or "double your business", or "get more traffic in 6,10,20,or thirty days, and so on and so forth....Then is almost always NOT a good idea...If the book is being pitched, it will generally have little-to-no value, so don't waste your hard earned money...
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CloudHand 15 years ago

Very interesting thread here!

Faxinator said it very nicely... "Time, Talent, Treasure(i.e. resources)". If you have all 3, then the sky is the limit. If you are missing one, then you can still make it just fine with some creativity. But if you are missing 2, then you will be extremely challenged on what you can accomplish.

For instance, if you are missing resources but have time and talent, then it is very reasonable that one can make a good income with just SEO and article writing. Not everyone can do this. I do know some people who cannot write themselves out of a paper bag if their life depended on it (they are missing talent and in some cases resources as well). SEO and article writing is not a viable model for them unless they can get the resources to some how procure the articles.

Also, there really are some people out there who cannot afford to purchase a $30 ebook. It may be mismanagement of funds for some, but that blanket statement certainly does not apply to all. I know of some single parents who are not living above their means, living paycheck to paycheck, have no education, have not had the fortune to do much better than minimum wage jobs, and every week are pinching every penny to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. Purchasing an online course is not an option for them. Unfortunately, some people in this situation who do not have the resources may not have the talent nor the time to invest to work free methods.

I also do not think that Tal is actually sick to his stomach... it is just a figure of speech to show his disgust at those who are trying to freeload and want everything for nothing. I believe his commentary is addressing those who do not want to spend time or money to make it online and are habitually looking for handouts. These people will never make it online, no matter what is given to them.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

When a NEWBIE who is completly new to the internet world and wants to make money, what I have learned in the past 5 years of being online (THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED AND NOT YOU GUYS WHO GOT TO MAKE FREE MONEY WITHOUT INVESTING MUCH) is that it DOES take money to make money.

(AGAIN, THIS IS MY POINT OF VIEW)

There's a very useful tactic you can employ to better understand- and its being able to see ALL points of view from every 'eye' and every angle.

Originally Posted by write-stuff

I think MaskeMarketer said it short and sweet - your time is also money. Some training e-products are good and will save you time, and others are a waste of the digital paper they're printed on. The knowledge IS out there - the issue is how efficiently can a newbie find it and sift it out. If a $7 (or $70) ebook saves them 40 hours of research, that's a huge bargain.
Russ

Write-Stuff,

It also goes both ways. Think about all the crappy ebooks out there. Just by reading the sales letter for a crappy product, you are wasting time and money.

If you buy a crappy product (lots of them out there) then how much time and money are you wasting implementing stuff that is old, doesn't work, or doesn't give you the FULL PICTURE? Lots of them out there.

I think its important to invest into education, but most "education" in the 'IM' world is a complete joke

The best education you can get is probably a GOOD coach/consultant, or real mentor/trainer.

Anyone can put out a crappy ebook and write a fluffy sales letter...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

There's a very useful tactic you can employ to better understand- and its being able to see ALL points of view from every 'eye' and every angle.

Write-Stuff,

It also goes both ways. Think about all the crappy ebooks out there. Just by reading the sales letter for a crappy product, you are wasting time and money.

If you buy a crappy product (lots of them out there) then how much time and money are you wasting implementing stuff that is old, doesn't work, or doesn't give you the FULL PICTURE? Lots of them out there.

I think its important to invest into education, but most "education" in the 'IM' world is a complete joke

The best education you can get is probably a GOOD coach/consultant, or real mentor/trainer.

Anyone can put out a crappy ebook and write a fluffy sales letter...

You know, for the most part, I actually agree with you. I think the best
way to learn this business is from somebody who is in it and is successful
at it. Nothing like one on one training.

But not all ebooks are crap. I couldn't afford a mentor when I first started.
Hell, I didn't even know such a thing existed. I needed something to give
me some direction. So I bought a couple of ebooks. The first was Secrets
Of The Big Dogs and the second was Insiders Guide To Profits Online.

Guess what?

I went from making $28 in my first 5 months to making between $1,500
and $2,000 a month immediately after that once I got those books.

Now granted, they only gave me a basic foundation and everything I
learned after that I did on my own, but without that foundation, I'd still
be posting FFA ads and wondering why I'm not getting any traffic.

Again, not all ebooks are crap.

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J. Barry Mandel

15 years ago

Man, if posts like that literally make you physically sick to your stomach maybe you should spend your time offline!

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Jonathan 2.0 Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Mandel

Man, if posts like that literally make you physically sick to your stomach maybe you should spend your time offline!

Or try some of my girlfriend's "cottage pie" with those things which look like cucumbers but taste horrible. Then you'd really have a good perspective of what constitutes being sick to your stomach.
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bhopkins

15 years ago

Some people look at this as a hobby and not really a business. And then there are people who are desperate and need money right now, but don't have any to spend. I agree that some money must be spent, but its doesn't definiteluy have to be on ebooks. I make money every day and while I may occassional purchase some IM item its not a lot. And thne most of what I purchase is either content or scripts to help me do my job better.

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Mike Merz

15 years ago

Hmmm ... that's funny. I thought Marketing on the Internet ... running an Online Business, was essentially still a business ... and demanded at least some degree of personal and monetary input in order to operate and grow.

You intend on building a 6 figure business using only free advertising? Free hosting? Free autoresponders? Free software? Free services? ... on your 'free' time?

If you're successful not treating your business like a business, and not spending a dime in the process ... that's an ebook I'd spend $30 on, anytime.

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Jonathan 2.0 Banned 15 years ago

You tell 'em Mike. Stop being tight-fisted, scarcity-minded, lazy *******s and get serious. (Plus never eat cucumbers and cottage pie.)
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Mike Merz

15 years ago

I guess what I'm trying to say is who honestly approaches the serious undertaking of starting a business ... online or off, when in a dire financial situation? ... constantly searching for free components, rather than testing and researching the ones that will best help your business grow and prosper within your assumed budget? Are we talking about the same thing, here?

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James Schramko

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Merz

I guess what I'm trying to say is who honestly approaches the serious undertaking of starting a business ... online or off, when in a dire financial situation? ... constantly searching for free components, rather than testing and researching the ones that will best help your business grow and prosper within your assumed budget? Are we talking about the same thing, here?

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I'm totally on the same page Mike.

You deal with lots of new to the internet people as do I and this is exactly
how I feel when people are looking for instant solutions to generate wealth
in desperation.

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HomeBasedBusinessPLR

15 years ago

Everyone has SOMETHING to invest.... that is if they REALLY want to build a business. It's not about having a huge budget but if you're unwilling to invest the cost of a domain name or a reasonably priced ebook you're probably not that serious about it.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HomeBasedBusinessPLR

Everyone has SOMETHING to invest.... that is if they REALLY want to build a business. It's not about having a huge budget but if you're unwilling to invest the cost of a domain name or a reasonably priced ebook you're probably not that serious about it.

True. I agree. Some people don't have the correct mindset. But I really can't be bothered squabbling about it. It's kind of like "We're the proper marketers" and "You're not" and well that kind of stuff bores me.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Merz

I guess what I'm trying to say is who honestly approaches the serious undertaking of starting a business ... online or off, when in a dire financial situation? ... constantly searching for free components, rather than testing and researching the ones that will best help your business grow and prosper within your assumed budget? Are we talking about the same thing, here?

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Mike Merz

Unfortunately people who end up in the Internet Marketing community are hard up for money. Some of them are desperate. And that's something I sympathise with. I can't blame a struggling house wife who wants to bring more joy to her family for not having the money and experience to found an online business correctly. At this time of year people are even more concerned about money.

That said a certain percentage of people don't have a good mindset for creating wealth online and those of them who are reading learned that from the first 1 or 2 posts in this thread. Mostly we're just "opinionating" now. Which is what usually happens with threads like these. Sometimes people need a good kick in the ass. Sometimes I think it would be better if people provide some valuable information to steer them in right direction. (That's what I'd do if I really wanted to help them.) And if I had the knowledge and expertise to do that I would create another thread.

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Merz

I guess what I'm trying to say is who honestly approaches the serious undertaking of starting a business ... online or off, when in a dire financial situation?

Lots of people. For some, online may be a last resort. I expect the number has grown due to the serious economic issue of late.

One thing is certain: you can make money online without spending any. For a start, I don't hold anything against anyone who has to go that route due to their circumstances.

Once they're established, I naturally expect any serious online business person to spend money to grow their business. But to get off the ground and generate enough money that they can afford to then re-invest that money in the business? In that case, free is good and people who need to go the free route are okay with me.

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barrytan

15 years ago

Everyone will definitely want to spend the least amount of money and make alot of money. There are some site out there providing easy step by step video coaching and can help those new to online business.

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Habbit

15 years ago

Wow...this thread is an education in itself,so many perspectives from new and seasoned warriors.Success follows success and within this forum there are so many people making money using free and paid avenues.Most important is to find what you can verify works and plough all available resources ,effort ,time into making it a success and profitable.Very few opportunities mature over night and it is most important to stick with it and not be distracted with greener pastures to success offered every day with in the forum....Informational overload must be controlled or your efforts will simply tread water.Good Luck To All

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DavidJBrooks

15 years ago

Yes it's true that there really are people who are absolutely on the bread line, and the sad fact is that they'll never be able to get ahead until they find a way to take the first step. It depends on how motivated and innovative people can get.

eg, someone who currently has no means to get ahead could offer to pull weeds in someone's garden in exchange for a few dollars, or take pre-orders for christmas cakes in your local neighborhood, so you get the money first, then use this to buy the ingredients etc. There's actual stories of very successful people who had nothing and began this way, but for each one of those, there's ten thousand who thought it was too hard and sat their lives away in front of the TV.

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affhelper 15 years ago

I want to add something from my experience

When I first started online I didn't know where to start. The first
ebook I have purchased was "Google Cash" and it got me really
excited. My problem was that at that time I didn't really have much
money to spend on advertising so I got a second job JUST TO PAY FOR
PPC Costs!

I started my first Adwords campaign and it was profitable. I struggled
with keeping it going because I needed the money to pay for Adwords
and my affiliate pay check wouldn't come for another month. So I borrowed
money from whoever I could. Seriously, I did everything I could to keep
paying for that campaign so I wouldn't have to pause it.

When my affiliate check came in the mail I paid everyone back their money
and I quit both jobs..lol

So back to the subject, it took MONEY! and work to start making money
online. If you don't have money then go and take a loan or something.
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15 years ago

To the OP: Mind PMing me that forum you spoke about in your original post? This is just out of pure interest, not for anything else.

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avaxtasulta

15 years ago

theres folks like me who can't afford to pay for resources but really want to make money online. i struggle to pay my rent and i try so hard with all the spare time i have to make profits online. i do have some ebooks on the subject but some of the info on offer is priced at $297 and upwards! ive found that lots of these books are just rehashed info from cheaper books too. its not good spending the last of your cash on a book containing info you already have.

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Carl Pruitt

15 years ago

There is a reason that a small portion of any group tends to
produce the most results. There is a reason why you can take
one man, give him a million dollars and a free house and then
come back a year later and find him broke, or take another man
and leave him homeless in a strange city and come back in a year
and find him making a good living. People are different from
one another.

A distinction has to be made between the type of people who want
something for nothing (neither money or time and effort) and
the type of people who want free information just because they
aren't confident enough about what they are doing yet to make
an investment. Even further, a distinction has to be made between
the people who want something for nothing because marketers have
told them over and over that you can get something for nothing
and those who are just lazy or idiots or both.

You also have to differentiate between using free methods such
as Bum Marketing to raise money in order to invest in a business
without taking it out of your pocket and expecting to be able
to run and grow a very successful business long term without
investing any money in it.

You also have to see the difference between the people who want
to make 6 and 7 figure incomes, the people who will be perfectly
happy with $3 to $5 thousand, and the people who only need to
make enough to cover their car payment or feed their kids. They
all have different needs, wants and desires and different potential
solutions to their problems. They don't all fit into the same
box and sometimes they don't stay in the first box they fit into.

It seems to me that sometimes marketers tend to get jaded
and develop an us versus them mentality instead of realizing
that we have to understand, appreciate and meet some need the
customer has before we can lead them where we want them to go.

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OnlineMasterMind 15 years ago

I agree.

Virtually ALL extremely successful marketers invest in themselves. That's a fact my friends.

People who say, "yeah I don't need to buy anything - I just buy a domain and make money free..." are really just getting an education in the school of hard knocks as they're making peanuts compared to what they could be making.

Show me a marketer who's making serious money and I'll show you someone who invests in education.
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David

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Pruitt

There is a reason that a small portion of any group tends to
produce the most results. There is a reason why you can take
one man, give him a million dollars and a free house and then
come back a year later and find him broke, or take another man
and leave him homeless in a strange city and come back in a year
and find him making a good living. People are different from
one another.

A distinction has to be made between the type of people who want
something for nothing (neither money or time and effort) and
the type of people who want free information just because they
aren't confident enough about what they are doing yet to make
an investment. Even further, a distinction has to be made between
the people who want something for nothing because marketers have
told them over and over that you can get something for nothing
and those who are just lazy or idiots or both.

You also have to differentiate between using free methods such
as Bum Marketing to raise money in order to invest in a business
without taking it out of your pocket and expecting to be able
to run and grow a very successful business long term without
investing any money in it.

You also have to see the difference between the people who want
to make 6 and 7 figure incomes, the people who will be perfectly
happy with $3 to $5 thousand, and the people who only need to
make enough to cover their car payment or feed their kids. They
all have different needs, wants and desires and different potential
solutions to their problems. They don't all fit into the same
box and sometimes they don't stay in the first box they fit into.

It seems to me that sometimes marketers tend to get jaded
and develop an us versus them mentality instead of realizing
that we have to understand, appreciate and meet some need the
customer has before we can lead them where we want them to go.

Hmm, "bum marketing" ??

I've not heard that before... guess that is a term to describe what I'm currently doing!

I DO have to spend some money, I need an aweber account YESTERDAY, and I need a mike to go with the 22 days I have left of the camtasia trial I've downloaded..

It took me 2 months of reading on this forum (and just as importantly the help forums provided by google) to get my adsense income from $.03 a day to $3.00 a day.

And we get paid from adsense this month on what we earned last month...

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babarapho

15 years ago

Spending money and time are essential ingredients to succeed online. Sometimes it is different strokes for different fellas. For me, you must always spend little time and money to make big bucks.

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Charles Harper

15 years ago

I have been on for about a year, and have been a victim of not having a clear plan with definite goals. When I say goals, I mean specific inputs as to how to get to where you want to go in IM. If you have a goal, you might buy an e-book because it will get you there faster.

You wont avoid it because it cost money because sooner or later you figure out that your time is more valuable than your investment dollar. If you can learn something in half the time and with half the effort it is worth it. To be candid, if you use this forum, there is no need to ever buy a bad product.

Then again, with a plan, you won't buy it because it is the magic bullet to make you rich. That is when you want to be cheap. When people come out with magic bullets, you want to get that info free (unless you find it fits your plan.)

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi avaxtasulta,

There are great lessons in this thread.

theres folks like me who can't afford to pay for resources but really want to make money online. i struggle to pay my rent and i try so hard with all the spare time i have to make profits online. i do have some ebooks on the subject but some of the info on offer is priced at $297 and upwards! ive found that lots of these books are just rehashed info from cheaper books too. its not good spending the last of your cash on a book containing info you already have.

Which I do have sympathy for....until I get to the sig file -

You Personal ATM - For $7

Which apart from the heavy irony, is an affiliate link which isn't allowed here.

But it's the irony of people complaining about a problem, whilst promoting the problem in the same way for their own gain at the same time.

I don't mean to be blunt, but if you're struggling, why not just go and draw some dough out from your 'personal ATM'?

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Peter "Paul" Williams

15 years ago

I don't think that spending money is an issue here, and I'm unfortunately speaking from experiance

. I think the real issue is spending hard earned money on useless junk. and there is a lot of it out there, with very good and convincing ad copy.

I'm sure many, myself included, will spend money on a good course or book. I have spent countless dollars and if I can learn just one thing, I consider it money well spent.

To these people in the position of the subject of the posts, I truely feel for them.

The learning curve in IM is very sharp and you need to be careful of the info you take. Information is abundant but be sure to learn from someone qualified to give the advice you are looking for. That being said, there is a lot of good info out there and when you do run across it do not heasitate to pick it up.

Just my two cents..

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LauriS 15 years ago

While I understand the OP's thoughts, I think : ), It is really hard to get into the mind of another person.

there ARE people such as he described, I encountered them quite a bit when I was in MLM... they want their own business but don't want to invest. In that case I thought it was pretty crazy....

But online, there ARE ways around it, rather than shelling out money at first. I HAVE shelled out my very precious financial resources, only to have what I purchased be junk. It was EXTREMELY frustrating, and I did it again. Problem is, you don't always know it's junk until you get it. This isn't true with ALL of it, but it can be with a lot.
In fact, I took a course where they were teaching us how to put together our first ebook, and they told us not to get too hung up on what we put in it, since most people wouldn't read it anyway. Sadness. And, has kept me from feeling like I want to buy too many things now.

BUT, you most certainly have to invest, and thankfully we have the WF where we can see who invested in what, that helped push them further along the path of success.... or you can invest your time as many have said.... But, it isn't just going to "happen".... Or I would be SO so rich by now ; )
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Anthony Smith

15 years ago

You've got to have money to make money. Spend money to make money, same concept.

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Angela V. Edwards

15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

I haven't read the responses to this thread, but I can tell you from experience, some people don't have the money to spend. They are trying to make money online so that they can change their lives, but they don't have any to spend right now. I've been there. That's the #1 reason I keep my product super-affordable for everyone. I want Newbies (as well as people who have been in IM for a while) to experience success.

Later on, as these people succeed, they will be able to spend more. But for now they can't. That's just the way it is. There are many, many, many ways to advertise and get good rankings without spending money. I don't find these types of posts "sickening". I've been there and I know what it's like.

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Scott84

15 years ago

Its basically to do with how much time or money one has. Some don't have the time so they spend money on info that fast-tracks them to success. Checkout the tools that my retail site has to offer to help anyone in business grow.

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J Bold

15 years ago

Your post made me sick to my stomach. Some people just don't have money to invest. There are many free ways to get started online marketing. Once you make some money doing that, then you can invest the money you made to start making more money. You have to realize for some people it's not for lack of want, it's for lack of resources. And please don't suggest borrowing money. For some people, that is just against their philosophy and can lead to problems. Such as the current world economic situation. Also, people are afraid of getting scammed and it's common knowledge on this forum that many of those ebooks about how to make money online or nonsense. How do they know they're getting a good one?

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

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Christie Love

15 years ago

You can get valuable information to start an online business without spending any money. The internet is full of FREE information. I've bought a book here and there, only to wish I would have returned it.

Honestly... I have gotten more value information from reading posts and articles than anywhere else.

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Steven Carl Kelly 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Christie Love

You can get valuable information to start an online business without spending any money.

And if someone had only $40 to spend on IM, I'd recommend they join the War Room here. They will find, without any question, value there worth many, many times their investment.
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Mike Bogowski

15 years ago

If a forum post like that is enough to make you sick to your stomach.. I wouldn't recommend watching the movie Hostel or Saw!

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Benkovich

If a forum post like that is enough to make you sick to your stomach.. I wouldn't recommend watching the movie Hostel or Saw!

hehe I watched Hostel right before I moved to Ukraine (now back in the US). Man that had me a little worried.
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15 years ago

I've found that some Free information is actually more quality the a lot of the paid stuff that I've purchased. However, I have purchased some select items that really helped me a great deal. I totally understand what you're saying, some people just think that they never have to spend a red cent for anything. Period! And they are mainly the ones whining when the Money just isn't rolling in fast enough. Sometimes investing in a few select quality items can cut downs years off the learning curve.

It's either one or two things a person has to do to build-up their net business -- and that's either invest more Money or More Time (Sweat Equity!)

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erickz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by talfighel

Hi everyone,

I just came off some online work at home forum and read some posts that truly made me sick to my stomach.

There are people who go online and want to REALLY succeed and make money with some sort of a work at home opportunity or a home business BUT they are looking for FREE ways to advertise and when they need to buy training materials or even do some advetising to get the ball rolling, they say that it's too much money for them.

Even buying a good ebook that teaches them real effective online marketing for $29.95 or so is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for them.

They don't want to spend money and I can gurantee you that they will never succeed in a home business.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see these people think that for no money invested and no time invested, they still are looking for the EASY way out.

This is their mentality:

I WANT TO MAKE MONEY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY.

I am just tired of seeing people like that. When will people realize that IT TAKES MONEY AND WORK TO MAKE IT ONLINE.

Tal

Hmm.. I am a newbie myself and although I do spent quite a lot on IM stuffs before I found this forum. But I do agree that you can indeed get FREE information here and doesn't really need to spend any money in order for you to make your 1st dollar. After which you just need to reinvest and outsource the work done and buy more information for more advanced techniques or systems, coz learning is a never ending thing in internet marketing.
Newbies tend to be careful and cautious in spending their money.
There is this guy who says "You either spend your MONEY if you don't have the TIME OR you spend your TIME if you don't have the MONEY". This is quite true and applicable if you are in the IM industry, and I think this works for offline business too.
You just need to work your socks off if you don't have the MONEY to spend.
But what I can't stand are those newbies who don't want to spend MONEY and TIME!

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Technologize

15 years ago

A lot of people out there find it easier to come up with an excuse to stay where they are instead of taking a risk and trying something new. People could easily have more money to invest in ebooks, projects, etc, if they cut back on their expenses in one way or another.

But they don't want to, and it's their right.

When i see friends who complain about money issues, i know it's their scarcity consciousness which they choose to hold onto. Thats where they choose to be.

If anything, i like to feel greatful that i have managed to transcend that level, and am happy to pull anyone up should they want to tag along. But only if they can keep up

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Kevin Beach

15 years ago

Just after I recover from Christmas, I will be purchacing several ebooks on IM (I'm still at the 'research' level right now). I could probably find this information for free if I dug deep enough, but I would much rather have the satisfaction of knowing that I'm helping to support this industry and the folks who have "paid their dues". Maybe one day it will come back to me. My mom always told me that it worked that way.

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Christopher J.

to ALL that claim they don`t
need to spend a penny to do this ... don`t pay your
electricity bill and tell me how far you get
... for everyone.

Prove me wrong

Christopher J.

PROVE YOU'RE RIGHT

You do not need to spend money on information to make money online.

And to be technical, yes, its possible for some people to still succeed without paying for a computer, electricity, ect.

How?

Find someone to invest in your while you put in time... or....

Find a computer with internet access! (you couldn't think of that?)

Go to a library, its free. Go ahead and laugh, but if the desire and determination is there- it can be done.

Its called networking (putting in action and time)- find someone who has a computer with internet access. Be social and find some friends, lol...

If you have a BRAIN and can THINK OUT SIDE THE BOX it can be done...

TIME and MONEY are intertwined.

Many people wouldn't believe a kid could come from poverty in the ghetto- to doing 10k speaking engagements at the age of 12, buts its been done, lol... Most 12 yr olds are watching cartoons- this kid was doing 10k seminars, lol..

Being at the library would probably be better because you have a wealth of information at your finger tips at the same time!

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Peter Johnston

15 years ago

Yes it takes allsorts. Sometimes I get people "rudely" asking me by email "OK how do you make so much money online" and "what do WE do next" ...
Unbelievable..

If they had bothered to read the any of my blog posts and bought the odd product then they would probably be sitting on the sofa with a laptop instead of going about their mundane 9-5.

Yep..they gotta go through at least some of the learning curve that we did and invest just a little money like the rest of us.

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