What Gives You The Right?

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Hi Warriors,

Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?
  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    I doubt any of them manage to actually get a fix at all. Most people ignore this kind of behavior around this forum.

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
      Originally Posted by Cesar Sampaio View Post

      I doubt any of them manage to actually get a fix at all. Most people ignore this kind of behavior around this forum.

      Money without work, not necessarily hard, is only possible at Lottos and Las Vegas.
      Yeh i understand this but does it not p**s you off? Especially when they PM you
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Martin,
    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?
    Why shouldn't they try?

    What gives you the right to come online and be able to do things without having spent endless hours figuring out the technology, and setting up your system so it can even connect to the net? Why should you be able to just turn the thing on and start surfing?

    It's called progress.


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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Martin,Why shouldn't they try?

      What gives you the right to come online and be able to do things without having spent endless hours figuring out the technology, and setting up your system so it can even connect to the net? Why should you be able to just turn the thing on and start surfing?

      It's called progress.


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      I used to sit around at night listening to the beep, boop and dreaming of the day that the price of 56K's would fall into my price range. ATH
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Michael,
        I used to sit around at night listening to the beep, boop and dreaming of the day that the price of 56K's would fall into my price range. ATH
        ~root > set binary
        ~root > get bighonkingaudio.lzh
        ~root > Downloading .... (98% complete)
        ~root > ($%#(@^$%
        ~root > LOST CARRIER

        BTDT is not an AT command.


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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Michael,~root > set binary
          ~root > get bighonkingaudio.lzh
          ~root > Downloading .... (98% complete)
          ~root > ($%#(@^$%
          ~root > LOST CARRIER

          BTDT is not an AT command.


          Paul
          I have NO IDEA what you just said, but it was still entertaining.

          ~M~
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Michael,
            I have NO IDEA what you just said, but it was still entertaining.
            Not at 2400 and .25/CPM on a 1.2M LZH it wasn't.


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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Michael,Not at 2400 and .25/CPM on a 1.2M LZH it wasn't.


              Paul
              You have one of those freeware programs that kept track of your AOL minutes? Don't see LZH so much any more. Always been a zip sort of fellow myself.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Michael,
                You have one of those freeware programs that kept track of your AOL minutes? Don't see LZH so much any more. Always been a zip sort of fellow myself.
                Nope. That was JRcomm on the Amiga. zmodem FTW!

                Been a while, though. 12 years or so.


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                • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                  This is the strangest April Fool's thread I've read all day...:rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Michael,Nope. That was JRcomm on the Amiga. zmodem FTW!

                  Been a while, though. 12 years or so.


                  Paul
                  I lived in a little town in the middle of the desert in southern California, but for some reason, a guy started up a tech shop and internet service, back when you had to buy Netscape, and I used that to get on. He had a room in back by the workbench that was full of modems, it was very cool.

                  And even better better kept me out of the clutches of AOL and Compuserve. I could just use my free discs as coasters.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Michael,~root > set binary
          ~root > get bighonkingaudio.lzh
          ~root > Downloading .... (98% complete)
          ~root > ($%#(@^$%
          ~root > LOST CARRIER

          BTDT is not an AT command.


          Paul
          <sigh> Actually I used to get a call from the local computer shop owner when he was going to take a trip to the big city to buy RAM sticks. "OMG" he would say, "the price has dropped to 50 bucks a meg, how many do you want me to get for you?"

          Every once in a while when I am trying to do things like figure out the best way to avoid hundreds of Trackback spams a day, I really miss things like getting a post it note with the number of the local BBS on it.

          But I digress, (yet again). I do think it is OK to ask questions and to make your own understanding out of the answers you read. It has been my experience that folks who do not know something often do not even know what question to ask.

          And they cannot tell if their question has already been answered because even if they look at the forum threads, they don't know enough to tell if the answer applies to their situation or not.

          Couple that with folks feeling the panic of not being able to make their payments for the next week, plus the promises of many of the MMO products, and you get large amounts of people who don't know how to begin and have no fallback position in the event that their first idea falls flat.

          But like John was saying, I look at some of these threads, like the ones that are always asking, "what is the best . . ." and think that someone is collecting tips for a new WSO.

          Nothing really wrong with that either, I think you can add value by collecting information and making it available for folks. Sometimes it just seems like there are a bunch of these all at once.
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    • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Martin,Why shouldn't they try?

      What gives you the right to come online and be able to do things without having spent endless hours figuring out the technology, and setting up your system so it can even connect to the net? Why should you be able to just turn the thing on and start surfing?

      It's called progress.


      Paul
      The best thing about 'the good ole days' is, thank goodness, they've passed.

      My hair went gray trying to figure out modem strings.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone View Post

        The best thing about 'the good ole days' is, thank goodness, they've passed.

        My hair went gray trying to figure out modem strings.

        Elmer
        Kill joy. At least then you had the reassuring "shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" when your modem connected and it had the courtesy to tell you when it failed. Now when your broadband is dead it just sits there rudely saying nothing until your browser tells you you are sad out of luck.
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  • Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.
    Congratulations - you are learning about human nature.

    If you think it's bad here, check out the diet industry - more specifically weight loss.

    That's the way people are, nothing you can do will change it, so don't let it p*ss you off. Just roll with the punches, continue working hard yourself, and attain success...
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    Well... It is no doubt much easier following someone who says they are making money if they are willing to share tips and techniques. Keep in mind, just because they are here asking for help and quick fixes as you put it, they may have indeed put in hard work but without direction that can sometimes be difficult to find success.

    Not to worry, even with the information, they would still have to put in the hard work to obtain what they want. Although, it is easier when you know where you're going.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronc0011
      Pissed off because the sky is blue...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim_Hawksworth
        The usual rule is:
        "If you don't ask, you don't get"

        I don't see anything wrong in newbies asking for advice.

        After all that is what forums like this and others are for.

        No body has to answer - but most of us want to share a little,
        makes you feel good
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  • Profile picture of the author badal4u
    That's What the Hype is created in Make money online niche, newbies get attracted to promise-full sales pages, and when they come to know that there is consistent work requires for online success, then they try to get their work done in the way you mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    Humm - I've not been on the forum for very long, but in my opinion, what really annoys people is when there are multiple threads on the same page by newbies asking the same question. Everyone understands that people need to learn and it's only right that they should be able to ask questions somewhere like this. However, people who don't use any initiative don't endear themselves to anyone in my mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Making quick money is easy.
    Making money consistently month after month takes planning, testing and much work.

    Building a good foundation for your business is the key. With out it your business will
    eventually come tumbling down.

    Some people don't have the ability to do things long term and the ones that do tend
    to reap better rewards.

    On the other side of the coin, When microwaves first came out, my grandmother
    wouldn't touch one. See said that it was the lazy way and if you don't have the passion
    and time to cook a meal for your family then you really need to look at yourself closely.

    She also said that taking shortcuts may get you somewhere faster but
    then you miss all the other good things you could have seen along the way.

    She passed away 10 years ago and never did use the microwave.
    (Her thoughts came into my mind so I had to post it)

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author ejb2059
    I understand what you're saying but I think you've missed the BIG picture ... Big picture being that the economy is in the tank, unemployment is rampant, oil companies are grinding consumers under their massive heels, alleged food shortages are forcing price increase's etc..etc..

    People are desperate - They are looking for HONEST ways to make money to feed themselves, their families, and keep a roof over their heads .. No one can or should fault them for that -

    I think the right to survive and live with some degree of dignity is what gives them the "right" to ask questions ...

    With all due respect, by what right do you, I or anyone begrudge our fellow man for wanting a good life?

    Yes, we have all worked hard, and continue doing so to earn an income in IM but we all started somewhere did we not?

    Thankfully, there were (and still are) people out there willing to answer my questions and help me get a leg up .. I will never forget that nor refuse the same to those who ask it from me -

    Instead of getting P## off, take their questions as a compliment - Clearly they see something in you that they'd like to possess also

    Money and success does not make us better people ...it's what we do with our money and success that will ultimately define & judge us

    Just my 2 cents

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

    I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?
    I think there are far more important things you could be worried or
    pissed off about... they have the right to ask questions. Whether
    someone else wants to answer, or not, is their choice.

    Tsnyder
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

    I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?
    There is not any reason that everyone else or anyone else has to do things the way you did. That was only right for you, everyone else is going to have their own way of learning and figuring things out.
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    • Profile picture of the author stesnees
      I have asked for advice on here and been pleased with the responses I have got. However, if I wanted a step by step guide to a certain system I wouldn't dream of asking for free advice. I think that would be a little cheeky! Unless anybody is offering
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Getting pissed off about something you can't change is a real waste of energy. It's like arguing with the wind - you can do it all you want, but it's still the wind and still blowing.

        I used to get irritated with people that wanted members to essentially give away their best stuff in what would become the OP's new product. Now I just let the ones I feel are in that category blow on by.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

    I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?
    Hi Martin,

    I think you're only noticing it because you don't feel like a newbie yourself anymore. There isn't a "massive increase" in the posts, but there is a "massive increase" in YOUR awareness of them.

    Now, what if you had asked a few of those questions yourself. Do you think you may have seen success even sooner?

    What you're really suggesting is that new people don't ask questions. Should only those who are successful aske questions? Or are we to censor what types of questions new people can ask?

    You also suggest that people don't give their best answers. LOL, really? So, if somebody NEW asks a question we should give them a purposely poor answer, but if they've been around for a while then they've earned the "right" to get our best answers?

    Again, LOL.

    Here's the thing, and this may shock you, so you may want to sit down for this. Ready?

    When somebody asks a question...

    (I'm warning you, this is shocking, last chance to sit down)

    When somebody asks a question, you don't HAVE to answer it!

    WOW! Who knew?

    But why get upset if somebody else chooses to answer? Unless you want to control both what questions are asked and how they're answered. If so, that's up to you, but then I'd suggest you start your own forum where you can enforce your vision of iron-fisted utopia.

    All the best,
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    I remember when the Amiga computer came out. It was the cream of the crop so to speak. You could run at least two processes at the same time...lol

    I was on a TI994A then that had a wopping 32k expanded memory included in the large the expansion box that housed my 5.25 floppy drive.

    Also we had a 8" floppy drive connected to a TRS80...lol

    Damn, Now I feel old.
    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      e.

      Also we had a 8" floppy drive connected to a TRS80...lol

      Damn, Now I feel old.
      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      Ah the good old days. My favorite was the Commodore Vic. But don't sell it short. Way back in the day you could use your TV as the monitor and basically thats what we do now with DTVs. And storage? - who needs it? Everything saved to an audio cassette!
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      I remember when the Amiga computer came out. It was the cream of the crop so to speak. You could run at least two processes at the same time...lol

      I was on a TI994A then that had a wopping 32k expanded memory included in the large the expansion box that housed my 5.25 floppy drive.

      Also we had a 8" floppy drive connected to a TRS80...lol

      Damn, Now I feel old.
      Have a Great Day!
      Michael
      You feel old. I'm still finding punch cards around the house.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        You feel old. I'm still finding punch cards around the house.

        George Wright
        And wasn't it a bummer when you dropped the tray.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          You feel old. I'm still finding punch cards around the house.

          George Wright
          Found an old deck the other day. Three-inch stack of cards for a three-page listing in Pascal.

          I used to run it at the local university computer lab. You would fill in the form, wrap it around your deck, rubber band it and drop it in the tray. If they had time to run your deck overnight, they would.

          The next day, you would pick up any output along with your deck, hopefully still in order. If something wasn't right, you'd punch new cards, stick them in the deck (praying that they were in the right place), and start the process over again.

          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          And wasn't it a bummer when you dropped the tray.
          One extended game of "52 pickup " with a few thousand cards taught me to number them with a marker as I went...

          Mike, I had a Trash-80 with the cassette interface and the coupler for a phone handset. Even sold them for 'the Shack' for a few months. Used to blow people away connecting to a BBS from the store...

          JMichael, I worked for a guy who had one of the first portable Osbornes. I remember thinking the first day he brought it into the office "what the hell is he bringing a sewing machine to work for?"
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Found an old deck the other day. Three-inch stack of cards for a three-page listing in Pascal.

            I used to run it at the local university computer lab. You would fill in the form, wrap it around your deck, rubber band it and drop it in the tray. If they had time to run your deck overnight, they would.

            The next day, you would pick up any output along with your deck, hopefully still in order. If something wasn't right, you'd punch new cards, stick them in the deck (praying that they were in the right place), and start the process over again.



            One extended game of "52 pickup " with a few thousand cards taught me to number them with a marker as I went...

            Mike, I had a Trash-80 with the cassette interface and the coupler for a phone handset. Even sold them for 'the Shack' for a few months. Used to blow people away connecting to a BBS from the store...

            JMichael, I worked for a guy who had one of the first portable Osbornes. I remember thinking the first day he brought it into the office "what the hell is he bringing a sewing machine to work for?"
            Even though I know a few more things now, there are still some days when I feel like my register has been emptied.

            I don't even like it when I come across a website where the designer has one of those wide screens and I have to scroll sideways. I honestly have trouble wrapping my head around scrolling through acres of touchscreens an dlevels of command to get an app running and returning any useful info.

            I have always like commercials more than the TV programs. And I especially like the disclaimers on the android and iphone type commercials where it says "Command sequences have been shortened"

            I was the training officer for my unit at my bae in San Diego when we got our first computer in the office. We let it sit in the corner unopened until my boss got a direct order from the base CO to unpack it and get it set up.

            I had to teach my people how to turn it on. This was back when the on button was on the back of the CPU. But once we got it out and going, and I had everybody trained, my job became organizing the workflow so it would not bottleneck.

            Even back then, it was a far cry from my initial programming experience. A keyboard, what the heck does that do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post


    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.
    Too much caffeine today. You do realize that if they paid a couple dollars it wouldn't make any real difference to your argument so you are indicting a whole pile of WSOs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Michael(s)

      I didn't get into it until 87, and the Trash80 was outdated by then. Still, they definitely won the "bigger disk" competition.

      Ah yes. The Amiga. State of the art graphics and audio engines, superior multi-tasking, and a beautiful interface, built over a solid Linux-ish platform.

      Hey. That sounds familiar...

      I used to get a lot of jokes about my first ISP's name: Buffnet. Yes, really. Beat having to deal with the AOLiens, though.


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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        I lived in San Diego during the Osborne vs Kaypro wars. Osborne lost that battle even though they had that 44 pound portable computer.

        And the screen on that Osborne. 5 inches diagonally, now who in their right mind would buy a computing device with a 5 inch screen that they had to scroll incessantly to see anything and have to memorize 27 levels of commands in order to use anything. My goodness, you might as well be using Write and Paradox from the command prompt

        Oh, hold on a minute, I have to update my FB status on my IPhone, be right back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Michael(s)

        I didn't get into it until 87, and the Trash80 was outdated by then. Still, they definitely won the "bigger disk" competition.

        Ah yes. The Amiga. State of the art graphics and audio engines, superior multi-tasking, and a beautiful interface, built over a solid Linux-ish platform.

        Hey. That sounds familiar...

        I used to get a lot of jokes about my first ISP's name: Buffnet. Yes, really. Beat having to deal with the AOLiens, though.


        Paul

        Mine was Brawley Online. BOL. And he would call you on the phone if you used up more time than he thought you should be using. Well, not while you were online, of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve MacLellan
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

    I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?
    Just a personal opinion, but I think you should cancel your membership at this and any other forum you belong to.

    Regards,
    Steve MacLellan
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    IMO,
    At least they are asking instead of buying every dang product promising the sky but delivering nothing. At least by asking they can get some wisdom from those who have actually gone through things and know there is no magic bullet.

    When someone comes online and they see ad after ad for this system and that it is sure a great thing they would ask questions first. This way at least they can get some sort of wisdom like they need to have a plan and how to do that properly etc..

    A lot of us on here do not mind one bit if someone needs help in fact it is a refreshing thing to be able to offer it knowing the result of the way the person asking could end up in steering them in the right direction.

    Do they have a right? Can you imagine the consequences if they didn't
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Skinner
    Interesting point of view. I used to feel the same way and got tired of being p***** all the time. So I made some changes to my mindset.

    Some people have a "something for nothing" mindset. And some people are just truly ignorant and have no other ideas of how to get reliable information.

    The 1st type of person is hopelessly lost and the world is full of them. Don't let their unwillingness to accept reality affect your state of mind. Instead determine if they are a person with passion who just needs some help and if they are, Help Them! These are some of the greatest allies and future business partners you'll ever have.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by Scott Skinner View Post

      Interesting point of view. I used to feel the same way and got tired of being p***** all the time. So I made some changes to my mindset.

      Some people have a "something for nothing" mindset. And some people are just truly ignorant and have no other ideas of how to get reliable information.

      The 1st type of person is hopelessly lost and the world is full of them. Don't let their unwillingness to accept reality affect your state of mind. Instead determine if they are a person with passion who just needs some help and if they are, Help Them! These are some of the greatest allies and future business partners you'll ever have.....
      True.

      Sometimes the same question gets posted by different people, but their reason for asking is very different. Some folks are already angry when they post their question and it almost sounds antagonistc when you read it.

      Some people have a real desire to find out what works and they are asking the group of people who are in the best marketing forum in the world. So it makes sense that this is the place to ask those questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,
    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.
    If that's what pisses you off I'd hate to see how you react to the real battles in life...

    Thousands of people lost loved ones, their homes, and / or their businesses in Japan recently - they certainly have a reason to be p**ssed. Just a little perspective....

    I agree with Steve MacLellan above - maybe you should cancel your WF membership if this irritates you so much, because it's probably never going to change. Not to mention, not everybody asking those questions is necessarily "looking for a quick fix".
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  • Profile picture of the author zena lour
    Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Ok, i've been a member of 3 or 4 forums in the past couple of years and i've noticed a massive increase in the amount of newbies to the game.

    I have been making money for a short while after some hard work and a lot of sleepless nights.

    The reason why i'm writing this post is due to the cheeky gits who think they can post on forums looking for a quick fix and trying to get info off you to give them the best ideas, best products and best ways to make money which is really starting to p**s me off.

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?

    hello

    i get what your saying, i really do.
    but even with all the information provided to the newbies, it doesnt meant that they will be successful.
    most people join the IM business thinking that its easy and you can make money without doing much.
    and its not their fault.. thats what they've been led to believe by the so called "gurus"
    in order to be successful.. whatever information provided to you or not... you still have to work hard.

    just my 2 cents


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  • Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    What gives them the right to get this quick fix without doing some hard work beforehand?

    Is it just me or is there anybody else who thinks this is wrong?

    I'm new to this forum, been marketing online the better part of ten years. I've been filing IRS taxes, schedule C on my primary DBA for my online businesses for 6-7 years.

    Am I a newbie? As a warrior I am.

    Do I want to learn more and as easy as I can? Yes.

    Do I want to learn more as cheaply as I can? Yes.

    Am I willing to buy good information? Yes.

    Am i afraid to ask for information? No.

    Do I give information and teach others if they ask? Yes.

    Am I afraid of someone finding my secrets? No

    Do I give what I know away for free? Yes

    How long have I had these convictions? About 40 yrs.

    Have I made any money following following the give it away principles? Yes

    Has it been a lot of money? Yes

    Have others profited from my knowledge and hard work? Yes (in some cases more than me!)

    OK ...I could go on and I've already made it more about me than I'm comfortable with.

    It's been said by huge wealthy industrialists of the 19th century, it's a spiritual principle, it's been taught by the greatest motivational and self improvement gurus and to para-phrase Zig Ziglar as best I can remember, "If you help enough other people get what they want you will get (can have)what you want, pressed down and overflowing."

    Be careful what success principle you are P*****g on.

    Keep no secrets....
    Competition is great....
    Give it away.....

    Old Dog

    P.S. there is a guy who was a wet behind the ears newbie a few years back who bugged the daylights out of the warriors of that time. He almost po'd a lot of them. But some helped him and as he grew he took those who wanted to be involved with him, along. Many if not most are still on this forum today. His name was Mike and he ended up with Butterflies. He's made about 30 million by his testimony and is launching a new product concept currently. Ask him what he thinks about giving good stuff away. Be generous........
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    P.S. If I can be of any assistance in your "Off" or "On"- line sales and marketing please PM me or email at WinnersChoice-Warrior@yahoo.com . Old Dog

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  • Profile picture of the author kecinaj
    All of us have the right. We are a free country so what ever we wanted to, we can make it as long as we obey the rules..
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