Here's why you need to stop bashing WSO's and Guru's and be THANKFUL instead. (Mini Rant inside)

I am definitely appreciative of the info products I have purchased that actually contained information that matched the claims on the sales page.

Really I am not so sure everyone is bashing on Guru's and WSO's. I think really people are simply saying STOP! Stop making such ridiculous claims. If you have real information to share. Meaningful information then go ahead and sell it. But stop promising the moon and delivering a pebble.

It's just the ridiculous gap between what many people are pitching and what they end up delivering that is the real issue. Not people speaking out against it. At least in my opinion.

Also keep in mind many of the Clickbank products sell for $47, $67 and even $97 or more. I'm used to spending good money for quality material. In the IT industry a good programming book often costs $35 to $50. But this is also a professional book that has around 800 pages, has been proofread and edited many times. So, from this perspective people selling even 60-page ebooks for $47 that are talking about keyword research, product selection and so forth are good value. I see nothing wrong with that. It's valuable information for any newcomer although perhaps a bit high-priced.

However, it's all of the hype and promises they include that I do see a problem with. People talking about how their information is all new. Never seen before. Their methods are different. Then you buy it and it is the same exact thing people have been selling for years with absolutely no new content. Again, the information is valuable but only for people who do not already know it. And according to the sales letter this was completely different and you didn't already know it. So, basically, the problem is with the deception they use to sell their products. They market it as this and you end up getting that.

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Daniel44

12 years ago

I have also learnt a lot from the products I have bought, put a spin on it and built a business of my own. It would have cost me a lot more in real life to learn how to build a business.

I do agree with the others though, the over-hyped WSO's that promise everything and deliver not much are really disheartening.

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

There are good WSOs and bad WSOs just as there are good gurus and bad gurus. You can lump everything into one group and say it's all good or all bad. If you don't watch what you buy, you will get screwed. There are some excellent buys for very cheap. Just look for the comments in the WSOs from real buyers and check out the reputation of the seller before sinking your money into it. Due diligence.

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

There are good WSOs and bad WSOs just as there are good gurus and bad gurus. You can lump everything into one group and say it's all good or all bad. If you don't watch what you buy, you will get screwed. There are some excellent buys for very cheap. Just look for the comments in the WSOs from real buyers and check out the reputation of the seller before sinking your money into it. Due diligence.

Exactly right, Sometimes you will get bad WSO's but if you average it all out at the end of the day you still get a hell of a education for pennies on the dollar here.

This is what I want people to realize.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

There are good WSOs and bad WSOs just as there are good gurus and bad gurus. You can lump everything into one group and say it's all good or all bad. If you don't watch what you buy, you will get screwed. There are some excellent buys for very cheap. Just look for the comments in the WSOs from real buyers and check out the reputation of the seller before sinking your money into it. Due diligence.

Dear OP,

This is more accurate regarding guru's and WSO's.

You can't glibly say you have to be thankful etc...

It depends on what you are buying.

Some guru's offer great information and worth the money if applied. Others are simply in it to rehash stuff and make money from you regardless of your "success".

Some even sell crap deliberately and count on a lot of people not bothering to refund.

Yes there are many opportunities on the internet. I think we have already passed the "early" phase.

But the main point is you should do your own research about products and services.

Find something people need or want and offer it to them at a price they find attractive and that allows you to make a profit. Scale it up and bingo!

There is a great deal of skill in doing the above and tools and advice can help you. But you have to build your own mental toughness up and do what it takes to succeed.

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bnwebm

12 years ago

Caveat emptor, haven't you purchased a TV dinner that looked NOTHING like the cover photo? People buying WSO's are intelligent enough to identify when a pitch sounds too good to be true. Sometimes though, you can convince yourself anything is possible. I've thrown money on lesser things and I do some research before buying a WSO. If anything, it's an investment in my future, something my 6 year degree didn't provide.

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Istvan Horvath

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bnwebm

People buying WSO's are intelligent enough to identify when a pitch sounds too good to be true.

Actually, they are not.
That's the problem. Or the luck - depending on which side you stand :p

If you are a buyer... it's a problem.
If you are a seller of a crappy product... that's your luck that people can't identify crap

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bnwebm

12 years ago

Wow, ouch, thats a harsh opinion of buyers and I disagree, respectfully. I believe the majority DO have the intellect. Whether they utilize it, well, that's up to them, eh?

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Istvan Horvath

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bnwebm

Wow, ouch, thats a harsh opinion of buyers and I disagree, respectfully. I believe the majority DO have the intellect. Whether they utilize it, well, that's up to them, eh?

You are saying the same thing but you think you are a "nicer" guy because you sugar-coat it

An intellect that is not used... is, well, use-less. And if one is not using the intellect he has - he looks as dumb and idiot as those that don't have it.

So, what's the difference, honestly?

P.S. If you really were around since you signed up as a member, you could see the zillions of completely worthless WSOs and their phenomenal success among the zillions of brainless buyers. And the endless whiny posts/threads... to which this OP was a welcomed reaction.

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Victor Edson

12 years ago

I've had a lot of luck with the WSOs that I've bought.

I'm not a WSO junkie like a lot of people.. I think I've bought less than 10 in the years I've been hangin around here... but I got something valuable from each one of them that I bought.

Plus, you can save yourself a LOT of trouble just looking at the reviews in the thread. Not the testimonials in the sales letter, but what people are actually saying in the comments.

I've saved a lot of time and money getting reviews of products here on the warrior forum before I purchase non WSO products too. If something brand new... I'll let other people try it out first. If it's junk, I just saved time. If it's good, it'll be good in 2 weeks.

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Kevin_Hutto

12 years ago

Like I said in a thread yesterday, this is the only industry where people will sell you their secrets... often for cheap. I buy tons of WSO's and I make plenty of money already. If I get one good idea out of 10 WSO's I buy it could add another 100k or so to my income... What a bargain if they were $100 a pop... but what's crazy is that many times they are less that 1/10th of that price. Its one of the reasons i like to hang around here - to see what other people are doing.

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Mike Parkin

12 years ago

On the WSO thing, I think if people first decided WHAT they wanted to learn before spending money finding out HOW to do it they might not feel so let down.
A good WSO (or any info product) is only as good as the effort put in.

You could sell me the best course on making money as a florist known to man but if I don't want to stand around selling Tulips all day it ain't gonna put dollar one into my pocket

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UMS

12 years ago

WSO's and "gurus" are in the market place.

If their product is good, it will be recommended.

If their product is crap and/or scammy, then they rightly get flamed.

It's exactly the same as what happens with off-line businesses.

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LB

12 years ago

I think you make very good points about how cheaply people can learn from others' success.

I do think the "WSO backlash" is due to the number of crappy "blind" WSOs lately promising the world.

eg. "How to Make $600 per Day!"

"It's not Facebook!"
"It's not SEO!"
"It's not Affiliate Marketing!"
"It's not Wordpress!"
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"It's a dog turd!"

A lot of big promises floating around out there targeted at desperate people.

That said, it only makes it easier to stand out with great products. It's just harder to cut through the noise.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

"It's a dog turd!"

Well, be fair - the author did try to polish it.

There's exactly one thing I expect from a WSO: useful information I didn't already know, surrounded by other useful information I did already know.

The information I already know is how I can tell the information I didn't know isn't garbage. It's the social proof that demonstrates the author knows what's useful about the subject, and hasn't just thrown any old crap he could find into the WSO.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Some people go to college for 3 years and graduate with a history major and spent tens of thousands on that education that probably wont even land them a job. Others spend tens of thousands on an education such as a teacher that will get them a job with not much pay at all.

Dude what you got against history majors?

You sound like everybody I've ever talked to about my history major. "So, what can you do with that? Only teach, right?" And then I proved them right and became a teacher (thankfully no longer am doing that).

But, uh, yeah, I can be a marketer, website owner, etc. with a history major? ha ha Ya my major isn't exactly relevant to the stuff I'm doing now, it's true. I guess I proved them right, in a way....

But if I wanted to, there are plenty of jobs in which I could use history major skills!

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by redicelander

Dude what you got against history majors?

You sound like everybody I've ever talked to about my history major. "So, what can you do with that? Only teach, right?" And then I proved them right and became a teacher (thankfully no longer am doing that).

But, uh, yeah, I can be a marketer, website owner, etc. with a history major? ha ha Ya my major isn't exactly relevant to the stuff I'm doing now, it's true. I guess I proved them right, in a way....

But if I wanted to, there are plenty of jobs in which I could use history major skills!

Thanks for the chuckle.

Ok so that was a real bad example I apologize.

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Gail Ogden 12 years ago

I agree the "guru" bashing and "WSO" basing does little good and paints everyone with the basher's view of a few products. Name the product and give comments so other know what they are getting into if they buy from that so called guru.

I also agree that there is way to much crap out there lately and the hype is getting down right ridiculous. It's costing the honest guys and not just taking money that some folks can't spare, but disillusioning the IM customer base.

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12 years ago

Great post Jan. That was very well put. It's similar to something I've been saying in another industry. I'm going to re-word one of my rants after getting some idea sparks from yours. Thanks!!!

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12 years ago

Jan this is so true, great rant! - as always, wish you the best in everything you do.

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Kellar 12 years ago

Good post. To be honest, in the infancy of my IM career, I had bad taste about WSO's and making money products in general. I figured that the only ones actually making any money were the individuals creating and selling the Making money products. I have come to the realization that this is in fact not the case at all.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Ok, I am getting sick of everyone on this forum bashing on Guru's and WSO's...

Let me explain why you need to be SUPER thankful instead.

The internet is a Huge industry and hundreds of billions of dollars is being spent online each and every year. Another thing is that this industry is still in it's infancy..

The internet is only now starting to mature into a market place that people trust and use on a regular basis.

We are even starting to see the older generation join facebook and buying stuff on the internet with their credit cards. Countries like China and other delevoping nations are coming online by the millions every day and the internet is a global medium.

We can reach and sell to people all over the globe through the internet.

Do you realize how big this opportunity really is? Do you realize how fortunate you are to be able to learn this stuff now and for so VERY EXTREMELY inexpensive in the form of WSO's and even CB products?

What you are getting on this forum both for free and in the WSO section at a very low price is cutting edge world class marketing training that you cannot learn in any college.

Yesterday I pend $7 on a wso where someone laid out so many great traffic generation techniques on video that it blew my mind again. Yes I've heard of the method before in another WSO but this one had a few other places to get traffic from that I hadn't heard of before and that to me was worth much more than the $7 I paid for it.

Look, I went to law school for 2 years. I did well but realized it wasn't for me. When I was in law school I learned a lot of irrelevant crap as well as some really great info but the price tag for this education was enormous just like it is for most programs in real college.

Some people go to college for 3 years and graduate with a history major and spent tens of thousands on that education that probably wont even land them a job. Others spend tens of thousands on an education such as a teacher that will get them a job with not much pay at all.

What I am getting at is this..

You are getting a world class education on Internet marketing for pennies on the dollar in the WSO section of this forum.

I spent 3 years buying WSO's like crazy and basically getting inf overload. Some of the WSO's were crappy but most were good and then some were mind blowing. I at least learned something new in all of them.

For $17 or $27 or even $47 if you can learn one small thing tat will help you in your business or in your education about tis industry how can that not be worth it?

Sometimes you will buy something where you learn nothing new and then maybe you lost $20.. so what?

Look at the big picture people. If you spend 3K or so over a year or 2 on WSO's and absorb all the info you will emerge with a huge IM education that's worth more than you can ever imagine.

Take that 3K to your nearby college and see how far it brings you..

I for one are very grateful I spent all that time and money on WSO's because not only did I find it all very interesting I also got a world class marketing education for pennies. That education is now earning me a very comfortable income and I can only imagine how far I'll come in the next 5 to 10 years with this internet boom.

So please stop complaining about Guru's and WSO's and actually be thankful because most of the sellers here are crazy to charge so little for the info. Maybe that is what is wrong with selling to the IM market. The prices are too low and people either don't take it seriously or they take it for granted.

End of rant..

Cheers,

Jan

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12 years ago

As a WSO seller, It's a FACT people rant about information pro
-ducts often BECAUSE they want to BELIEVE it's information at
fault.

I've sold information that worked for me, literally, at the time I
SOLD it (not selling information after I finished using it)...yet...

it would be labeled as, "seen it all before", or "I can't SEE how
this can work", or "I tried this BEFORE and it didn't work".

How does one defend against something they know from person-
al experience is not true?

How do you tell someone it is THEY who do not work and not the
information itself?

How can you EXPLAIN it's the MINDSET that keeps THEMSELVES
from using the information to their advantage?

Few people want to hear where that they're at fault for their own
benefit...it "hurts" to much to believe it is YOU who's causing you
your own misfortune.

...your "grief"...your "pain".

Of course, there ARE two sides to a coin:

There are products and information that is "incomplete" or not in
"full" -- but a TRUE entrepreneur knows how to think on their own
two feet and fill in those gaps "themselves".

Like you OP, I purchased MANY direct mail marketing information
and did a LOT of failed test mailings (Each costing hundreds)...

would it have been easier if I said "it doesn't work EXACTLY as it
was mapped out in THIS course, so I should give up?

"Yes." -- MUCH easier. Because I could place the blame of failure
on something or someone outside of myself.

To be blunt, only COWARDS complain about such petty things...

DOERS waste no time and keep moving forward.

...it's the bits and pieces from all the information I have that LED
to my success -- not a "single product/course/system" -- a culmi-
nation of knowledge and experience.

And, the sooner those whiners and complainers get it, the faster
they'll reach their goals.

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scrofford

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Ok, I am getting sick of everyone on this forum bashing on Guru's and WSO's...

Let me explain why you need to be SUPER thankful instead.

The internet is a Huge industry and hundreds of billions of dollars is being spent online each and every year. Another thing is that this industry is still in it's infancy..

The internet is only now starting to mature into a market place that people trust and use on a regular basis.

We are even starting to see the older generation join facebook and buying stuff on the internet with their credit cards. Countries like China and other delevoping nations are coming online by the millions every day and the internet is a global medium.

We can reach and sell to people all over the globe through the internet.

Do you realize how big this opportunity really is? Do you realize how fortunate you are to be able to learn this stuff now and for so VERY EXTREMELY inexpensive in the form of WSO's and even CB products?

What you are getting on this forum both for free and in the WSO section at a very low price is cutting edge world class marketing training that you cannot learn in any college.

Yesterday I pend $7 on a wso where someone laid out so many great traffic generation techniques on video that it blew my mind again. Yes I've heard of the method before in another WSO but this one had a few other places to get traffic from that I hadn't heard of before and that to me was worth much more than the $7 I paid for it.

Look, I went to law school for 2 years. I did well but realized it wasn't for me. When I was in law school I learned a lot of irrelevant crap as well as some really great info but the price tag for this education was enormous just like it is for most programs in real college.

Some people go to college for 3 years and graduate with a history major and spent tens of thousands on that education that probably wont even land them a job. Others spend tens of thousands on an education such as a teacher that will get them a job with not much pay at all.

What I am getting at is this..

You are getting a world class education on Internet marketing for pennies on the dollar in the WSO section of this forum.

I spent 3 years buying WSO's like crazy and basically getting inf overload. Some of the WSO's were crappy but most were good and then some were mind blowing. I at least learned something new in all of them.

For $17 or $27 or even $47 if you can learn one small thing tat will help you in your business or in your education about tis industry how can that not be worth it?

Sometimes you will buy something where you learn nothing new and then maybe you lost $20.. so what?

Look at the big picture people. If you spend 3K or so over a year or 2 on WSO's and absorb all the info you will emerge with a huge IM education that's worth more than you can ever imagine.

Take that 3K to your nearby college and see how far it brings you..

I for one are very grateful I spent all that time and money on WSO's because not only did I find it all very interesting I also got a world class marketing education for pennies. That education is now earning me a very comfortable income and I can only imagine how far I'll come in the next 5 to 10 years with this internet boom.

So please stop complaining about Guru's and WSO's and actually be thankful because most of the sellers here are crazy to charge so little for the info. Maybe that is what is wrong with selling to the IM market. The prices are too low and people either don't take it seriously or they take it for granted.

End of rant..

Cheers,

Jan

What you are saying is very correct about the education etc. But what's that got to do with crap WSO's and gurus who rip people off? People here aren't really bashing the good WSO's or the "gurus" (I hate that name) that come out with great products.

People are tired of spending their hard earned money on a lot of the crap coming out. They are also tired of the bad reputation IM is getting because of these crap products and "gurus."

If a product or "guru" gets bashed it's most likely deserved. If a lot of people are saying the same thing, then they are letting people know about something scammy or substandard. What you wrote really has nothing to do with why these products in the WSO or a guru get's bashed, so I'm not sure why you wrote this whole post and then put the wrong title on it. You should have named it "How thankful I am for my IM education" or something like that.

Again, I believe you get a great education here! But that has nothing to do with why someone is complaining about crap products or "gurus." People just expect quality products if that's what the product or "guru" portrays the people are getting.

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by scrofford

What you are saying is very correct about the education etc. But what's that got to do with crap WSO's and gurus who rip people off? People here aren't really bashing the good WSO's or the "gurus" (I hate that name) that come out with great products.

People are tired of spending their hard earned money on a lot of the crap coming out. They are also tired of the bad reputation IM is getting because of these crap products and "gurus."

If a product or "guru" gets bashed it's most likely deserved. If a lot of people are saying the same thing, then they are letting people know about something scammy or substandard. What you wrote really has nothing to do with why these products in the WSO or a guru get's bashed, so I'm not sure why you wrote this whole post and then put the wrong title on it. You should have named it "How thankful I am for my IM education" or something like that.

Again, I believe you get a great education here! But that has nothing to do with why someone is complaining about crap products or "gurus." People just expect quality products if that's what the product or "guru" portrays the people are getting.

In the 3 years I've been buying WSO's like crazy I maybe felt 3 times I got ripped off. The Wso's out there is not as bad as people try and make them out to be all too frequently on this forum.

When it comes to these 1 click wonder software clickbank launches I don't know. Never bought one of those.

As a product owner myself I am pretty lucky that I never get any real complaints or unhappy customers but every now and again I do get the weirdest and craziest complaints and reasons for refunds. I think these are the same mentalies posting on the forums about how bad WSO's etc has become.

I just feel the WSO section is a getting a really bad rap here lately which is unfair.

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12 years ago

I've learned so much through WSO's!! I'm thankful for the information that are in these products and they are offered at such a low price.

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drmani

12 years ago

Nice post, Jan.

Originally Posted by jan roos

Look, I went to law school for 2 years. I did well but realized it wasn't for me. When I was in law school I learned a lot of irrelevant crap as well as some really great info but the price tag for this education was enormous just like it is for most programs in real college.

Some people go to college for 3 years and graduate with a history major and spent tens of thousands on that education that probably wont even land them a job. Others spend tens of thousands on an education such as a teacher that will get them a job with not much pay at all.

What I am getting at is this..

You are getting a world class education on Internet marketing for pennies on the dollar in the WSO section of this forum.

Jan

The difference, though, is that you don't/didn't go to 25 DIFFERENT
law schools to learn the law... and I didn't flit from one medical
school to another before stumbling upon the ONE that really taught
me medicine!

With WSOs and 'gurus', the bashing is usually (always?) about the
ones that DON'T deliver value.

Would be an even more wonderful world if ALL WSOs worked - and ALL
gurus delivered value.

"Ah, but one's reach must exceed one's grasp, or what's Heaven for?"

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anton343

12 years ago

Originally Posted by drmani

Nice post, Jan.

The difference, though, is that you don't/didn't go to 25 DIFFERENT
law schools to learn the law... and I didn't flit from one medical
school to another before stumbling upon the ONE that really taught
me medicine!

With WSOs and 'gurus', the bashing is usually (always?) about the
ones that DON'T deliver value.

Would be an even more wonderful world if ALL WSOs worked - and ALL
gurus delivered value.

"Ah, but one's reach must exceed one's grasp, or what's Heaven for?"

All success
Dr.Mani

Very well put Dr Mani

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12 years ago

Hi there Jan

I would support what you said.

I actually have just quite a horrid experience. i have patiently been trying to help someone with my wordpress review theme, twice I have asked him to provide his wp login details and ftp access so i can look at what has happened.

I wasn't provided with it and instead he deleted the blog and started from scratch.

I have this morning received an email from him with swearing in it and i responded saying I don't appreciate his tone and swearing in his email to me when I'm trying to help me.

I get a curt "bite me" and you lot are all the same, blame it on the swearing in emails and don't ever contact me again".

As a someone who tries really hard to provide quality products and quality customer support, we are human too.

This ties in with your thread Jan. Appreciate the people around you, give thanks to what's offered and the help given.

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Diane S

12 years ago

For me the huge WF ads at the top of each page are the most annoying...they are so IN YOUR FACE and many of them claim unrealistic results, it seems. It is easy enough to ignore the WSO forum, but now that those HUGE ADS KEEP SHOUTING AT ME every time I visit, I tend to want to come here less often.

I have purchased a few WSOs this year, and I have learned much valuable information. I feel it is money well spent. Not all of the information was new, but I learned a few new things from each WSO, so I am satisfied. The more we study, the less likely it is that a single WSO will provide the value we hope it can. It is the law of diminishing returns in action...

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christopher jon

12 years ago

Please,

lets not start a WSO authors whining about newbies whining about guru's trend. There is enough whining around this place already.

Go join a cuddle group or something.

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mikemcmillan

12 years ago

Nice post Jan! 'Bout time someone said what you did.

There are tons of people who got their start here on the WF. Some of these people have been fortunate to take their products outside of the Forum and make a killing with them in the big world out there. Most WSO sellers never make that transition.

If you look at the guys who move on to have a Clickbank product launch with a gravity of 500 or more after their launch... well, a lot of them don't come back here very often. That's a shame. But I have seen some people who have made it big in the real world out there who come back here and get bashed by people here with under 100 posts and few if any thanks. That's disrespect and I can't honestly say I blame the people for not coming back!

There are some people here who do stick around who have put together some pretty sizable launches of their own and I am grateful they do come back.

As far as the bashing of the hyped-up sales letters and affiliate link laden emails they send--people need to realize that the really successful guys out there are not imbeciles. They do tons of split testing on everything they do. They use the business model they use because research has shown that's what generates the most profits. This is a business and it's a very serious business at the top levels.

I could give you the names of any number of people who once frequented the WF and made post after post about growing a list and establishing a relationship with that list--and that's good advice. But then they go out and mastermind a very successful product launch, a real launch in the big world (sorry to break it to people but putting up a WSO is not a product launch, it's a paid advertisement) and grow a list of 50 to 100k subscribers. And ya know what?

They immediately start sending out those "buy this" and "buy that" emails like all the other gurus do. And people yap and moan about their emails. Newsflash: The people buying their $37 products with 3 up-sells and 5 OTOs don't have IQs or 160! They feed their subscribers and visitors to their sales pages exactly the red meat they thrive on. The problem may not be with the gurus, but with the caliber of their subscribers and buyers. You might want to think about that one for a bit. This isn't a game, it's a business.

Okay, Jan--you got your rant and I got mine. --Mike

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davidjames42973

12 years ago

I completely agree! When there is a subject that I don't know much about, there's usually a WSO that will teach me. There's been times where I learned one thing from a WSO that lands me thousands of dollars. Maybe I won't use the WSO in a step by step fashion, but I may take an idea or two and implement it into my strategy another way...

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lonicera

12 years ago

IMHO one of the main reasons why people are bashing "gurus" and Wso's is because they promise them dreams, a lot of money with little or no work at all, instant results, push button solutions to get rich in a week, images of fancy cars, homes, vacations, etc..

Just take a look at all those hyped clickbank launches lately, you'll know what mean.

Then, excited, a person spends his money to buy this dream. After realizing that for getting rich overnight you will have to actually learn and work your butt off for months, or even years, and that there is not a quick rich method out there, they quit it all disappointed and come back here to complain.

If they new before that they are buying knowledge which they actually have to apply, and work, work, work... less people would buy those products, but the ones who would, probably would not complain about it.

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Dj Taylor

12 years ago

Great thread Jan. I have to agree with you on being appreciative of the information offered here on the WF. I am in my final year of my bachelors degree in New Media/Internet Marketing and I have learned more about Internet Marketing than Kaplan University has taught me thus far. If I would have found the WF earlier I could have saved myself from paying a $50,000 student loan.

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dj Taylor

Great thread Jan. I have to agree with you on being appreciative of the information offered here on the WF. I am in my final year of my bachelors degree in New Media/Internet Marketing and I have learned more about Internet Marketing than Kaplan University has taught me thus far. If I would have found the WF earlier I could have saved myself from paying a $50,000 student loan.

So Kaplan is charging 50k for that IM degree? Never knew it was that costly.

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Dj Taylor 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

So Kaplan is charging 50k for that IM degree? Never knew it was that costly.

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It's actually more than 50K. I actually get a military discount which saves me tons of money. I believe they are charging $330 per credit hour. I am not 100% sure this is correct as this is what it was a few years ago. I paid this for a year until they gave veterans a $100 discount per credit hour. I will be paying like 45K when it's all said and done. A non veteran trying to obtain a bachelors degree would end up owing nearly 60K as it takes 180 credit hours to obtain a bachelors degree. It's a big chunk of change and this applies to Kaplan University Online, not sure about campus based.
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paulie888

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

As far as the bashing of the hyped-up sales letters and affiliate link laden emails they send--people need to realize that the really successful guys out there are not imbeciles. They do tons of split testing on everything they do. They use the business model they use because research has shown that's what generates the most profits. This is a business and it's a very serious business at the top levels.

I could give you the names of any number of people who once frequented the WF and made post after post about growing a list and establishing a relationship with that list--and that's good advice. But then they go out and mastermind a very successful product launch, a real launch in the big world (sorry to break it to people but putting up a WSO is not a product launch, it's a paid advertisement) and grow a list of 50 to 100k subscribers. And ya know what?

They immediately start sending out those "buy this" and "buy that" emails like all the other gurus do. And people yap and moan about their emails. Newsflash: The people buying their $37 products with 3 up-sells and 5 OTOs don't have IQs or 160! They feed their subscribers and visitors to their sales pages exactly the red meat they thrive on. The problem may not be with the gurus, but with the caliber of their subscribers and buyers. You might want to think about that one for a bit. This isn't a game, it's a business.

Okay, Jan--you got your rant and I got mine. --Mike

This is so true, but often overlooked by the "know-it-all" group in here. These marketers are running a business here, and it is their bread and butter - this is what pays their bills every month. This is not a hobby or diversion for them, it's a real business that they need to manage month after month in order to remain profitable.

Putting aside the question of ethics, these marketers are merely marketing with an approach that converts best and results in the highest revenue when marketing to their target demographic. What they're doing and implementing is born out of real-world testing and tweaking - not speculation and opinions from "armchair" quarterbacks!

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 12 years ago

Somebody must be seeing a reduction in their WSO sales, lol.

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jan roos 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Somebody must be seeing a reduction in their WSO sales, lol.

Nope, I'm pretty lucky and extremely grateful. Sales are strong and I generally have zero issues with customers etc.

I just watch thread after thread in the main forum here that's pretty much bashing Wso's and it's not fair at all.

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Ernie Lo

12 years ago

Great post. I suspect the majority of those who complain about WSO's are those that are not making any money and are looking for somewhere to place the blame.

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Mike Baker

12 years ago

Here's how I like to look at it.

If a baker bakes a loaf of bread and its then sent to the grocers from where I buy it, but when I bring it home the loaf has mold all through it, then I am going to call that a crappy loaf of bread.

The same applies to WSO's! If you buy a product after reading the sales copy and after reading through it it has mold all the way through it, then we should be able to call it how we see it. I don't care if the WSO I buy is something that after testing isn't working for me, but I care that the product should be well researched and be well written. It should be easy to understand and to implement without having to contact the seller over and over again asking questions about it that should have been explained in the product in the first place. I don't demand high quality products for prices as low as $17 - 37, but at least a product that can be used and be easily put to use without a whole lot of drama. That's where the problem lies with some of the WSO's in the past few months.

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Jack Duncan

12 years ago

jan,

Take that 3K to your nearby college and see how far it brings you..

Absolutely loved this.

I recently watched a documentary on the practices of some of the largest online universities and how much they charge for basic courses when you factor in their financing fees, interest, etc...

Totally amazing.

In some cases, people were leaving the university with $200,000 and $300,000 in debt for even some of the most basic college degrees...Many times losing their home and cars to repossession trying to make the payments back over many years.

It's absolutely crazy what some people will pay for a Bachelors degree at an online university these days.

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Istvan Horvath 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Duncan

It's absolutely crazy what some people will pay for a Bachelors degree at an online university these days.

Maybe we are in the wrong business :rolleyes:

Time to start an online university???
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Dave Rodman

Banned 12 years ago

Geez. These threads are worse than the ones bashing gurus. I call these threads "Thank You Bait". Other variations include starting a thread to thank Allen for starting the forum or telling everyone how great the war room is. All 3 examples will product mass amounts of Thank Yous in short order.

First off, a couple things to point out.

1) I rarely, if ever, have seen people talking about how WSO's are overpriced. So I'm not sure where that even came from. Maybe people complain about scammers, but why wouldn't they complain about a scammer?

2) I have no idea what the relation between a Guru and a WSO seller is. They couldn't be more opposite. A WSO seller typically underprices things. A Guru typically overprices products.

3) Comparing your IM "Education" to a college education is a horrible one. For one, there is a direct correlation to college education and lifetime income. Is there a relationship between WSO's purchased and income? I didn't think so.

4) Despite #3, I wouldn't go using college education as the basis for the high cost of IM products. I think everyone complains about the high cost of education too. Tuition costs regularly outpace inflation. Expect that bubble to burst at some point.

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Rodman

Geez. These threads are worse than the ones bashing gurus. I call these threads "Thank You Bait". Other variations include starting a thread to thank Allen for starting the forum or telling everyone how great the war room is. All 3 examples will product mass amounts of Thank Yous in short order.

Why would anyone want to post just to get thank you's? lol Thank you bait? Now that's funny! Anyways, let's move on..

First off, a couple things to point out.

1) I rarely, if ever, have seen people talking about how WSO's are overpriced. So I'm not sure where that even came from. Maybe people complain about scammers, but why wouldn't they complain about a scammer?

People complain about WSO's all the time on this forum. The try something for a few days, make no money and then come and complain that WSO sellers are scammers etc. I mean really, scammers? That's a pretty serious allegation. Show me one WSO that's a scam. I bet you won't find many so that scammers thing is just ridicilous.

A lot of people might get super high quality info in a WSO without even realizing it then they come and complain about WSO sellers and Guru's being scammers etc. Again, I have never been called a scammer but I see it quite a bit on the forum.

2) I have no idea what the relation between a Guru and a WSO seller is. They couldn't be more opposite. A WSO seller typically underprices things. A Guru typically overprices products.

I don't even like the word Guru. We are all just product sellers in our respective niches.

3) Comparing your IM "Education" to a college education is a horrible one. For one, there is a direct correlation to college education and lifetime income. Is there a relationship between WSO's purchased and income? I didn't think so.

Of course there's a relationship between WSO's and income.. That's what the WSO section is all about.

4) Despite #3, I wouldn't go using college education as the basis for the high cost of IM products. I think everyone complains about the high cost of education too. Tuition costs regularly outpace inflation. Expect that bubble to burst at some point.

I'm saying if you compare the info from WSO's to college then WSO's are almost free.

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Gayla 12 years ago

Very nice post!

I have invested in my fair share of WSOs. The value is always up for interpretation depending on the buyer. Some have blown my mind while others provided me a morsel of knowledge I didn't have before. In the end, I think it balances out nicely. I'm happy to support the successes of fellow Warriors who are sharing what they know.

I've been working online (mostly affiliate marketing) for almost 12 years and this really is the only place I've actually felt I was actually given access to trade secrets without a great deal of smokescreens.

I've been fortunate enough to purchase products that were obviously well thought out, well planned and intended to deliver something of value. If it didn't deliver value to me, well, that was the risk I chose to take in purchasing - it's not their fault.

If a product is obviously crap stew thrown together on the cuff to make a quick coin, that's also the risk I chose to take in purchasing but it will be the last coin the seller gets from me.

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CDarklock 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Rodman

All 3 examples will product mass amounts of Thank Yous in short order.

But if you really want lots of thanks, go tell a dirty joke in the OT forum.

Nobody who matters cares how many thanks anyone's got.

I rarely, if ever, have seen people talking about how WSO's are overpriced. So I'm not sure where that even came from.

Neither am I. The OP pointed out that WSOs are very inexpensive for what you get from them. At no time did he indicate people are claiming otherwise.

I have no idea what the relation between a Guru and a WSO seller is.

They both sell things to newbies, because they know things newbies don't.

For one, there is a direct correlation to college education and lifetime income.

Actually, there is not. There is a direct correlation to continued education and lifetime income. Those who value education enough to pursue it their whole lives earn outrageously higher lifetime incomes, and are also more likely to spend added years in college. These people smooth out the "statistical anomaly" that most people who stop after undergraduate studies don't actually earn much more than high school graduates.

In short, IM education is more likely to affect your lifetime income than college education, because it's self-directed. Over the years, self-directed education has a far higher correlation with income levels.

I think everyone complains about the high cost of education too.

Except the education doesn't have the high cost. The diploma does.

If you don't want to pay that high tuition cost, you can walk onto just about any college campus in the country and start going to whatever lectures you like. Plenty of people who value education (as mentioned in the previous section) move to college towns for precisely this reason.

When you come right down to it, the OP is primarily about how you should value education and pursue it continually. And if you have some kind of problem with people thinking that deserves some thanks, I suggest it's a problem far more serious than how many thanks someone gets.
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pavionjsl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Rodman

Geez. These threads are worse than the ones bashing gurus. I call these threads "Thank You Bait". Other variations include starting a thread to thank Allen for starting the forum or telling everyone how great the war room is. All 3 examples will product mass amounts of Thank Yous in short order.

First off, a couple things to point out.

1) I rarely, if ever, have seen people talking about how WSO's are overpriced. So I'm not sure where that even came from. Maybe people complain about scammers, but why wouldn't they complain about a scammer?

2) I have no idea what the relation between a Guru and a WSO seller is. They couldn't be more opposite. A WSO seller typically underprices things. A Guru typically overprices products.

3) Comparing your IM "Education" to a college education is a horrible one. For one, there is a direct correlation to college education and lifetime income. Is there a relationship between WSO's purchased and income? I didn't think so.

4) Despite #3, I wouldn't go using college education as the basis for the high cost of IM products. I think everyone complains about the high cost of education too. Tuition costs regularly outpace inflation. Expect that bubble to burst at some point.

After seeing all the Jan Roo replies I really am amazed someone who has wso's here is telling everyone how grateful we should be and to be quiet for all these fine reasons. I remember recently reading how they were manipulated into giving up 1000's of dollars and getting ripped off in doing so. I remember a thread they started to announce the scam.

Jan some people put value in 17.00 like you do the 1000's you had on the line in that adventure. You and everyone here crowing about some flack in a free market need to stop patting each other on the back so much for doing what should be done when you offer to sell someone something. Give value and have a working product.

Do not tell me to be grateful for anything, sell your products, and to the ones that are not offering good well thought out products they will receive criticism. Don't tell me to give that criticism If I the consumer feels not whole after making a purchase for one reason or another I don,t need a seller telling me or anyone what to feel because "usually your all great and we should be grateful" for the pennys on the dollar advice everyone gives.

I seem to remember certain 4x4's designs in the U.S. that had rollover problems. Consumers were upset. Did the car industry take it on themselves to say "hey with the millions and millions in research and design we put into all the cars you buy, you should be grateful there are not more design flaws".

Did G.M. get on the newscast right after Ford's "you should be grateful announcement" and say"their right, over all we are great and fair and with all the research we put in these things its a value, you should be grateful and be quiet"

Jan, do not tell people what to think or how to behave. And stop telling us how over all your just a great bunch of folks.

We will decide when that value marker in our own minds are met or not met. And yes that means the ones with bad value perception or just out to take you, or the dumb ones as you imply are part of that group of buyers.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jan roos

Ok, I am getting sick of everyone on this forum bashing on Guru's and WSO's...

Let me explain why you need to be SUPER thankful instead.

The internet is a Huge industry and hundreds of billions of dollars is being spent online each and every year. Another thing is that this industry is still in it's infancy..

The internet is only now starting to mature into a market place that people trust and use on a regular basis.

We are even starting to see the older generation join facebook and buying stuff on the internet with their credit cards. Countries like China and other delevoping nations are coming online by the millions every day and the internet is a global medium.

We can reach and sell to people all over the globe through the internet.

Do you realize how big this opportunity really is? Do you realize how fortunate you are to be able to learn this stuff now and for so VERY EXTREMELY inexpensive in the form of WSO's and even CB products?

What you are getting on this forum both for free and in the WSO section at a very low price is cutting edge world class marketing training that you cannot learn in any college.

Yesterday I pend $7 on a wso where someone laid out so many great traffic generation techniques on video that it blew my mind again. Yes I've heard of the method before in another WSO but this one had a few other places to get traffic from that I hadn't heard of before and that to me was worth much more than the $7 I paid for it.

Look, I went to law school for 2 years. I did well but realized it wasn't for me. When I was in law school I learned a lot of irrelevant crap as well as some really great info but the price tag for this education was enormous just like it is for most programs in real college.

Some people go to college for 3 years and graduate with a history major and spent tens of thousands on that education that probably wont even land them a job. Others spend tens of thousands on an education such as a teacher that will get them a job with not much pay at all.

What I am getting at is this..

You are getting a world class education on Internet marketing for pennies on the dollar in the WSO section of this forum.

I spent 3 years buying WSO's like crazy and basically getting inf overload. Some of the WSO's were crappy but most were good and then some were mind blowing. I at least learned something new in all of them.

For $17 or $27 or even $47 if you can learn one small thing tat will help you in your business or in your education about tis industry how can that not be worth it?

Sometimes you will buy something where you learn nothing new and then maybe you lost $20.. so what?

Look at the big picture people. If you spend 3K or so over a year or 2 on WSO's and absorb all the info you will emerge with a huge IM education that's worth more than you can ever imagine.

Take that 3K to your nearby college and see how far it brings you..

I for one are very grateful I spent all that time and money on WSO's because not only did I find it all very interesting I also got a world class marketing education for pennies. That education is now earning me a very comfortable income and I can only imagine how far I'll come in the next 5 to 10 years with this internet boom.

So please stop complaining about Guru's and WSO's and actually be thankful because most of the sellers here are crazy to charge so little for the info. Maybe that is what is wrong with selling to the IM market. The prices are too low and people either don't take it seriously or they take it for granted.

End of rant..

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You are a 100% right. I've learned FAR MORE from cheap little WSO's than I did getting a B.S. in Marketing and MBA in Marketing!!!

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Look, at the end of the day, in this respect, things purchased online are no different than purchasing offline. Some will be crap, some won't. If it's crap, then send it back - end of story!
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12 years ago

Wow I totally agree. The people who are making fun of the Gurus are the ones that refuse to go out and take action because the internet truly is a great place to make money but you must take action on the cheap knowledge you receive here.

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12 years ago

I have probably bought several hundred dollars worth of WSO. I have no problem paying for knowledge. It's not like you can go to Internet College and take a 2 or 4 year course.
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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur

I have probably bought several hundred dollars worth of WSO. I have no problem paying for knowledge. It's not like you can go to Internet College and take a 2 or 4 year course.
I have been full time Internet Marketing since 2007. This is the place to be my friends, we have gone from a Brick and Mortar world to a Click and Order world. Learn how to generate web traffic and you will write your ticket for life...

That line right there is soooo very important! I try and hammer that into newbie's heads anywhere I can.

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Linda_C 12 years ago

I'm late to the party. lol.

IMHO, there's 2 separate situations occurring simultaneously...

1) Newbies looking for push button success.
There are newbies that think buying a product will make them succeed overnight. Especially when the copy is hyped to the moon. They don't stop and ask themselves the good old "does it sound too good to be true" question. So they buy - and when they don't succeed fast enough, they get frustrated and complain. Loudly.

2) People that Hype, Overpromise and Under-Deliver
Because that's a factor, too. Someone pointed out that the bits you "already knew" tell you if you can believe the bits you didn't know. True and valid and the seasoned person learned something indeed - but about the seller, not the industry. But does that appy to newbies who have little or no knowledge? Nope. In which case, refer to #1

And another?? Since you used college analogy, how about this one... ever heard of ANY college advertising their courses like this?

-- It's not commerce
-- It's not art
-- It's not history
-- It's not political sciences

Colleges don't do that. Who would sign up? Too many people are promoting products today by telling us what they're not. If you're going to tell me to hawk services on etsy or ebay or fiverr, or wherever - say that. Tell me you have a course on "xyz" so I know if that's what I want. Why hide what it is? If you can't say what your product is, how thin is the content?

Yes, there IS lots of value here. But in any society where the population is high, there's lots of value - and lots of crap to sort through. That's the nature of any environment with high population, online or off. The more you know the society, the easier it is to sort through the crap. Here is no different. Vive la people!

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12 years ago

Geez. These threads are worse than the ones bashing gurus. I call these threads "Thank You Bait". Other variations include starting a thread to thank Allen for starting the forum or telling everyone how great the war room is. All 3 examples will product mass amounts of Thank Yous in short order.

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12 years ago

I agree. WF is a treasure trove of info. for newbies and Pros alike. Some people just don't want to pay for anything, even if it is valuable.

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johnseginss

12 years ago

Also keep in mind many of the Clickbank products sell for $47, $67 and even $97 or more. I'm used to spending good money for quality material. In the IT industry a good programming book often costs $35 to $50. But this is also a professional book that has around 800 pages, has been proofread and edited many times. So, from this perspective people selling even 60-page ebooks for $47 that are talking about keyword research, product selection and so forth are good value. I see nothing wrong with that. It's valuable information for any newcomer although perhaps a bit high-priced.
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Andrea Wilson

12 years ago

Agreed in what you said. WSs are not over-priced and most often those contain the most valuable information you need to know. Everyday there are more and more people who are becoming interested with internet marketing. The guru's wso's are always there to help them start out. Although of course, the best things in life are free --example our warrior forum.

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DrFresh

12 years ago

I completely agree about the WSO's, but Clickbank products - most of them lie on the sales page or are extremely misleading.

There's very few IM sales pages that aren't claiming push-button this or secret loophole that.. they all end up being nothing like what they describe...

For instance.. G Headshot by Dylan Loh basically claimed his 9 click software = $$ overnight.

It ends up being a blog template. lol. No software in the download at all.

It's garbage like that that makes the goo roos deserve a bashing every once in a while.

This crap is designed to take advantage of newcomers - and they're doing it all the time...

90% of WSO's rock though. I'd take a WSO over any new Clickbank product.

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clarahmae

12 years ago

REALLY I CANT IMAGINE IT

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calfred

12 years ago

Good post Jan.

What would we be today if not for Allen Says (creator of WarriorForum)?

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brittlesnc

12 years ago

I can't even believe Jan Roos would post something like this.

He seems to be a stand up guy and puts out quality products. But for him to say that people should be grateful is a little ****ed up.

Yeah I'm grateful to the gurus and WSO creators who put out quality and valuable infoproducts, I am not grateful to the ones who put out garbage

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I've purchased great products but I have also purchased a few that were total crap...am I supposed to be grateful to infoproduct creators who put out garbage???

I'm hoping that the OP is just posting this to get people fired up and he doesn't actually mean this...but at the end of the day opinions are like a**holes...everyone has one

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jan roos

12 years ago

Originally Posted by brittlesnc

I can't even believe Jan Roos would post something like this.

He seems to be a stand up guy and puts out quality products. But for him to say that people should be grateful is a little ****ed up.

Yeah I'm grateful to the gurus and WSO creators who put out quality and valuable infoproducts, I am not grateful to the ones who put out garbage

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I've purchased great products but I have also purchased a few that were total crap...am I supposed to be grateful to infoproduct creators who put out garbage???

I'm hoping that the OP is just posting this to get people fired up and he doesn't actually mean this...but at the end of the day opinions are like a**holes...everyone has one

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I know there are some real crap products out there for sure but the majority of Wso's are really good and in this forum lately there has been a lot of bad mouthing of the wso section in general because of the few bad apples out there.

That to me is unfair because the wso section in general is awesome.

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kellyburdes

12 years ago

I, for one, am slightly greatful even to crappy products.

You see it was a HORRIBLE product that got me interested in this whole making money online racket. It was full of hype and false promises, and did not deliver upon a single thing that the seller advertised.

Would I ever conduct my own business that way? No - but that particular letter, which I just happened to come across, set off a spark in me that never ever would have happened. And so I'm greatful, even sometimes to sh*t products.

Originally Posted by brittlesnc

I can't even believe Jan Roos would post something like this.

He seems to be a stand up guy and puts out quality products. But for him to say that people should be grateful is a little ****ed up.

Yeah I'm grateful to the gurus and WSO creators who put out quality and valuable infoproducts, I am not grateful to the ones who put out garbage

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I've purchased great products but I have also purchased a few that were total crap...am I supposed to be grateful to infoproduct creators who put out garbage???

I'm hoping that the OP is just posting this to get people fired up and he doesn't actually mean this...but at the end of the day opinions are like a**holes...everyone has one

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lilphilupt

12 years ago

Now this is very true, people should be glad that there is a forum like this trying to share some knowledge with you and see you succeed. Don't complain and take what you have learned and implement. Great post buddy!

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AdFocus

12 years ago

I think the reason why people are "bashing" is because a lot of the WSO are very similar products. While some of them may have quality content, a lot of them are simply duplicates of other products.

That said, I think people find their own value in each of the WSO products which I think is very valuable

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greeneyeddame 12 years ago

I gotta say I am truly grateful for the Warrior Forum. The free information provided here is astounding. Prior to finding WF, I was blindly stumbling through internet marketing and I honestly think I would have given up if not for this forum. I really can't believe the tips and tricks people give away for free here!

However, to say that buyers should be grateful? Ehhhhh, not so much. I have purchsed several WSO's, most of which were awesome but a few were duds of course. The key here though is that I PAID for them. Yes I realize products in the WF are supposed to be discounted but sellers still set their own prices, so why should I be grateful? If I pay for something, I expect the product to live up to the hype and description. You sound like you are pretty successful at this game so you must be offering value in your products; pat yourself on the back and keep up the good work but realize not everybody delivers. I'm not one to start a rant about a bad product because I wholeheartedly agree that the WF offers an amazing education, however I won't be grateful for a crap product when I get one.
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Kael41

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdFocus

I think the reason why people are "bashing" is because a lot of the WSO are very similar products. While some of them may have quality content, a lot of them are simply duplicates of other products.

And therein lies the rub. If you were to have access to all wso's offered between 2008-now, my guess is that many of those offerings were rehashed in some form or another with a different "spin" put on it...and then overhyped immensely.

And to noobs, they don't know any better. To those who have been doing some form of online marketing for many, many years now (I started back in late 90's lol), our bs detectors are pretty well defined. You might as well change my name to the Jaded Marketer

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mustas4

12 years ago

Excellent post......

By the way before buying WSO,s if you just pm the publisher for more info or knowledge base question it would really put you in a position to make a right decision.

And I absolutely agree that this is the education for making money means you have the potential to earn a 100 or 1000 times the cost of the WSO which is not possible in conventional education. We are also having the refund option which is not available in any college.

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RichardDean

12 years ago

First of all... People need to give correct reviews.

Wow! Great offer you over delivered on this... is not worth a hill of beans.

I think people must just want to say look everyone I bought this, I'm cool.

When I buy a WSO read reviews that seem great and see 800 sold...

Here is the snipit from this great product on how you can make money...
handing out flyers is the ideal... 20,000 flyers at that copy and paste from the PDF

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Flyers: 20,000 printed = $2,000
20 businesses x an average payment of $300/month =$6,000
Domain names for tracking: 20 domains x $10 each = $200
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Total expenses: $8,200
$20,000 in revenue - $8,200 in expenses
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$11,800 monthly profit!

for each flyer that is handed out...so
those 20,000 flyers should bring in $20,000 in revenue
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are you kidding me.... and this got great fantastic reviews... How the hell did it get great reviews...

Get page one on Google with real live sample screen shot of page one in the WSO package, cool... reaal live sample sells me.... I'm not talking watch me log into my account video.... they can be faked easy as a CB check.

I got the package first thing I did... check out the live sample included and screen shots of google page one... so I thought I would Google it myself... could not find it at all...

This got great reviews. What I'm the only one who noticed the site was no where to be found in google... Refund ( if your going to show live samples make sure they live up to what you say because I will check on it.)

WSO free (no optin) and the link it goes to a optin page ? what the %@^%
I'm I the only one to notice this... ?

I have yet find a WSO to live up to it's claim... I challenge anyone that can prove me wrong...

one title said ( 4 mins to profitable Clickbank minisites )

How can you claim that I buy your product then in 4 min I will make profit with CB...

In the sales copy it says it takes 60 days then why the heck are you saying 4 min?

do I need to say more...

Sorry I'm just typing off the top of my head.

Stop giving us things to bitch about and we would stop.

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H.Miller

12 years ago

Amen to that!!!!

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PandaPoacher 12 years ago

Whoa! Who's complaining here? I for one am happy with most WSO's I've picked up from here! Let the haters hate meanwhile you are at home counting all the $$$ you make! Cheers!
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dagaul101

12 years ago

Nice tips, to those who know what to do with the info it is a gold dust, but to others who may not know where to start, it might be a little bit of information overload, which is why it is always good to have an idea of what you want to promote and then seek info on how to go about it

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