My Ezinearticle traffic has gone down by 70% in the last 24 hours

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Hello fellow warrriors,

Ezineartice traffic has been the main source of traffic to my website over the course of the last year. I have consistently been getting a few hundred unique visits a day for over a year from ezine.

Now all of a sudden in the last 24 hours.....that traffic has dropped by a SHOCKING 70%!!!

Now I know about the new Google algorithm changes and how content farms and article directories got a major slap, especially ezine.

However, this happened a few weeks ago and my article still stood strong and managed to survive the slap.

However, in the last 24 hours there was a 70% drop in traffic, the first time it ever happened. And the day before another drop.

Has anyone been experiencing this in the last 24-48 hours?

Any idea why this is happening and what I can do to regain that traffic?

Thanks,

Mark
#70% #ezinearticle #hours #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
    Yeah happened to me too.
    And not also that but when you used the search engine on ezine for the (certain keywords) of my niche. My articles would show up on first page.

    Now they dont, and all the articles that show up on the first page of ezines search engine are articles dating back to 2006.2007

    Kind of makes me mad and frustrated. But oh well.

    Keep writing articles and submit them and go to other article directories.
    Or find new traffic methods
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    • Originally Posted by Bozigian View Post

      Yeah happened to me too.
      And not also that but when you used the search engine on ezine for the (certain keywords) of my niche. My articles would show up on first page.

      Now they dont, and all the articles that show up on the first page of ezines search engine are articles dating back to 2006.2007

      Kind of makes me mad and frustrated. But oh well.

      Keep writing articles and submit them and go to other article directories.
      Or find new traffic methods
      It really is annoying.

      Do u thinking keeping on submitting will make any difference or is it better to go for a new traffic method?
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      • Profile picture of the author PMinc
        Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

        It really is annoying.

        Do u thinking keeping on submitting will make any difference or is it better to go for a new traffic method?
        Or you can set up a link cycle with others in your niche and contribute to each other's sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author packerfan
        Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

        It really is annoying.

        Do u thinking keeping on submitting will make any difference or is it better to go for a new traffic method?
        Doesn't what just happened to you answer this question for you? I'd say it's time to diversify your traffic, not just find another singular source.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
          Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

          Doesn't what just happened to you answer this question for you? I'd say it's time to diversify your traffic, not just find another singular source.
          Yes, less competition for me then.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Traffic from EZA or any other article directory has never been a reliable marketing model. In recent months this has proven itself out rather dramatically. I have always only used them to showcase my writing and from there they have been syndicated over the years to tens of thousands of high authority outlets such as ezines, blogs, and websites. The traffic from just article directories has always been relatively insignificant by comparison.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Maybe you should try real marketing
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    • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Maybe you should try real marketing
      It is real marketing. You get long term passive traffic.

      I know Alexa Smith and Bill do this and make money from doing this.
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      • Originally Posted by Bozigian View Post

        It is real marketing. You get long term passive traffic.

        I know Alexa Smith and Bill do this and make money from doing this.
        Do you know what Alexa Smith and Bill exactly do? Is it article marketing?
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        • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
          Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

          Do you know what Alexa Smith and Bill exactly do? Is it article marketing?
          Well they both know alot about article marketing so Im pretty sure they do article marketing.

          I followed their advice and I have made money
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          • Originally Posted by Bozigian View Post

            Well they both know alot about article marketing so Im pretty sure they do article marketing.

            I followed their advice and I have made money
            Do any of them have a WSO you can recommend?
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            • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
              Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

              Do any of them have a WSO you can recommend?
              Basically, you write a great article each day and you put it on your website first and let it get indexed by google. Then submit to article directories.

              Before I would write around 5 articles a day, but they would be sloppy because I set a goal to write 5 articles.

              But if I just write one a day then I can put my time and effort into really making it a good article.


              I just started IM but have made some money. I started January

              January 2011--65 unique visitors
              February 2011-169 unique visitors
              March 2011----189 unique visitors
              April as of the 7th today 2011------47 unique visitors and counting
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              • Originally Posted by Bozigian View Post

                Basically, you write a great article each day and you put it on your website first and let it get indexed by google. Then submit to article directories.

                Before I would write around 5 articles a day, but they would be sloppy because I set a goal to write 5 articles.

                But if I just write one a day then I can put my time and effort into really making it a good article.


                I just started IM but have made some money. I started January

                January 2011--65 unique visitors
                February 2011-169 unique visitors
                March 2011----189 unique visitors
                April as of the 7th today 2011------47 unique visitors and counting
                Thanks Bozigian- very helpful post. How long do you have to wait until your article is indexed by google on your website? Also how can you check for that? Do you use a blog or website?
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              • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
                I think there is a lot to be said for article marketing, however we all should market in as many ways as possible. The reason being, if one sources drys up, like Ezine did, you still have other sources bringing you traffic.

                There are other very good article directories out there also. I know a lot of people use automatic submitters because it's easy, but for some reason I prefer to manually submit mine. Yes, it sometimes takes me days, but I have about 14 directors that I really like so that is what I do. Of course my way is probably not the best, it's just a personal preference right now.

                I have found that squidoos and hubpages also will bring you traffic and articles on squidoo often get on the first page of Google, the same as Ezine Articles. I am also a platinum author for Ezine, so I realize what you are going through.

                Here is the difference I have seen in Ezine Articles. For webites that offer how to content, etc, they seem to love, but if you are an affiliate marketer of any kind, look out.

                I think they are trying to weed out affiliate marketers for good. At this time, the only way I see around this is to put great content related to your product, but not actually about it, but in the resource box it will link to your site. This may not work as good, so if anyone has any ideas, please feel free to share.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Bozigian View Post

        It is real marketing. You get long term passive traffic.

        I know Alexa Smith and Bill do this and make money from doing this.
        Not by depending on article directories for traffic, we don't.

        Bill and I are article marketers, not article directory marketers.

        I use EZA every day, but I've never depended on it for traffic and I never will. I dump a copy of all my articles there so that others can (and do) syndicate them to proper sites, context-relevant sites that bring me already-targeted traffic (and some decent backlinks, too, which is more than you'll ever get from an article directory).

        I don't want traffic from article directories. When a potential customer puts one of my articles' keywords into a search-engine as his search-terms, the last thing I want him finding is an article directory copy: I want him to find the copy on my own site.

        For article marketers, EZA getting the "Google-slap" and a fall in article directory traffic is good news. For article directory marketers ... well, that's another story, I do appreciate. But article directory marketing hasn't been a very viable business model for years now. It doesn't build a real, asset-based business with increasing residual income from work already done: it's a "rinse-and-repeat" type of business, at best! :p

        Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

        Any idea why this is happening and what I can do to regain that traffic?
        Mark, in my opinion, you need to stop depending on article directories for traffic, for your business to survive long-term.

        Don't just "regain" it - replace it, too.

        When your traffic goes to your own site, 100% of it arrives at your own site. When it goes to an article directory instead, what percentage of it gets to your site? You lose a proportion to the AdSense, don't you? And to the other distractions? And a big proportion just don't click through and you lose those? This is not "article marketing".
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        • Profile picture of the author bluedolphinc
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Not by depending on article directories for traffic, we don't.

          Bill and I are article marketers, not article directory marketers.

          I use EZA every day, but I've never depended on it for traffic and I never will. I dump a copy of all my articles there so that others can (and do) syndicate them to proper sites, context-relevant sites that bring me already-targeted traffic (and some decent backlinks, too, which is more than you'll ever get from an article directory).

          I don't want traffic from article directories. When a potential customer puts one of my articles' keywords into a search-engine as his search-terms, the last thing I want him finding is an article directory copy: I want him to find the copy on my own site.

          For article marketers, EZA getting the "Google-slap" and a fall in article directory traffic is good news. For article directory marketers ... well, that's another story, I do appreciate. But article directory marketing hasn't been a very viable business model for years now. It doesn't build a real, asset-based business with increasing residual income from work already done: it's a "rinse-and-repeat" type of business, at best! :p



          Mark, in my opinion, you need to stop depending on article directories for traffic, for your business to survive long-term.

          Don't just "regain" it - replace it, too.

          When your traffic goes to your own site, 100% of it arrives at your own site. When it goes to an article directory instead, what percentage of it gets to your site? You lose a proportion to the AdSense, don't you? And to the other distractions? And a big proportion just don't click through and you lose those? This is not "article marketing".
          Thank you Alexa for taking the time to post this. Experience with success beats out loud chatter from newbies not yet dry behind the ears. In my humble opinion.

          I appreciate all the good actionable information here in this forum. I read and do mostly. There is a lot of golden information here for those who want to move forward, and keep moving forward.

          I applaud you for sharing what is working for you in a way that others can utilize it while bringing real good content to people who are searching for it.

          I have been offline for awhile. And when I left the article spinning etc was roaring forward. I am very happy to see the quality standards bar being raised. It's time for the "wild west" internet marketing to grow up.

          As a person who does a lot of research online. I have been very frustrated the last year of so by the junk that surfaces in so many Google.com searches. I am so excited to see Google.com listening to the people who are using their search engine and giving them....the users what they need and want. After all that's why Google.com is there. To provide good solid places to find the answers and information you are seeking.

          Lest we forget that ourselves. By putting the people who are searching for solutions first. Putting their needs first and providing them with what they need we complete a win-win cycle that will never get slapped down and will never end.

          So hooray for the bar of quality going up! Now, for Innovation. I for one like Google.com's acts as the ultimate innovation in a pool of muck online. Imagine, giving your would be customers exactly what they need and want in an honest and easy way. Hmmm, innovative online for sure. But the tried and true business model of many long term successful offline entrepreneurs for many, many, many years now.
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  • If not article marketing, then what is another great source of traffic and as effective?
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Google has made a definitive stance that this article spinning/spam crap is over. Move or die.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
      I never spin my articles, they are all original.

      But I am looking for ways to submit to other directories and dont know if AMR will help if I use it to submit to few directories
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    • Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Google has made a definitive stance that this article spinning/spam crap is over. Move or die.
      But my articles are not spun or spam crap. All 100% original.
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      • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
        Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

        But my articles are not spun or spam crap. All 100% original.

        ANY article marketing is so 2005. Be an innovator, not a follower. All the cutting edge stuff is in perfecting facebook marketing.

        Collect your keywords, make fan pages, squeeze them and then drive traffic to them.
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        • Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

          ANY article marketing is so 2005. Be an innovator, not a follower. All the cutting edge stuff is in perfecting facebook marketing.

          Collect your keywords, make fan pages, squeeze them and then drive traffic to them.
          Really interesting post- thanks.

          What do you mean by collect your keywords on facebook? And what do you mean by squeeze them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Google has made a definitive stance that this article spinning/spam crap is over. Move or die.
      Grow Up.

      Ezinearticles doesn't except article spinning and crap... So now your telling a guy to die because he writes good articles for traffic?

      WTF dude?

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      • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        Grow Up.

        Ezinearticles doesn't except article spinning and crap... So now your telling a guy to die because he writes good articles for traffic?

        WTF dude?

        Caleb

        1. Learn proper English usage
        2. Read all the posts. It's pointless to write these articles that 58,000 people are going to copy and spin.
        3. I mean, who really cares? Do whatever. The best of the best will be around, everyone else dies.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

        Be an innovator, not a follower. All the cutting edge stuff is in perfecting facebook marketing.
        Wow, what an original idea. You must have been reading back through the archives here.

        Collect your keywords, make fan pages, squeeze them and then drive traffic to them.
        Golden. Just pure solid innovative never before heard stuff right there.

        Be different, be innovative, think outside the box, use your head. Don't do what every one else does.
        Yea, Facebook is THE up and coming place for marketing since nobody has tapped it yet.

        Yes, I am arrogant (very) and also very opinionated. I am arrogant because I am an innovator and I view all article marketing AND "directories" as boring, non-innovative, bottom of the IM food chain crap.
        What exactly is stopping you from looking up the word "innovator" in a dictionary and using it in its' proper context? Because so far it appears you don't seem to grasp what that concept is all about.

        And I don't mean that in a bad way...

        ~Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          What exactly is stopping you from looking up the word "innovator" in a dictionary and using it in its' proper context? Because so far it appears you don't seem to grasp what that concept is all about.

          And I don't mean that in a bad way...

          ~Bill
          Why don't you enlighten us Billy on what innovation is?
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

            Why don't you enlighten us Billy on what innovation is?
            Why don't you just go the US Patent website and type my name in under the "Inventor" catagory and see for yourself.

            ~Bill
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          • Profile picture of the author bretski
            There isn't a whole lot of difference between relying soley upon EZA, AB, AD or FB (Yeah, I said Facebook) for traffic. You can lump Twitter, social bookmarking or any other "cutting edge" method for generating traffic in with Facebook, as far as I'm concerned.

            To say that FB is the way to go and "No real marketer has anything to do with articles." is just ignorant and arrogant. FB is just the latest, greatest shiny thing of the moment (remember Vanilla Ice?). Do I dabble in it? Sure, but I also include some social bookmarking, list building, JV's and a lot of other things into my business model. I am probably wasting my breath on some posters in this thread though...

            As far as the OP... mix it up a bit. There's nothing wrong with posting to EZA and other directories. I have gotten some good backlinks from them and had my articles picked up by blogs. Just branch out a bit. Try some new things. Test them out over a three to six month period and see how they work for you.

            Take all the advice that you get here with a grain of salt... especially from those who scream the loudest. The folks that make real money will always keep a few things to themself while giving you a few good tips, hoping that you will be smart enough to figure other things out yourself.

            Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Here are the numbers:

    fb: 500 million+ users. Capture fb search traffic by collecting the keywords you want to capture, just like you would when you write an "article"

    You then set up fan pages (or groups) for these keywords. You then make the landing page on these fan pages a squeeze page, forcing people to like the page.

    You then drive traffic to these pages through twitter, bookmarking etc....

    Before you know it, your fan page/group is top ten google/fb search and you are rolling in the dough on your product.

    No real marketer has anything to do with articles. Most REAL marketers have known this for years and when the Big G finally stepped on all of them like they were an ant, we chuckled and muttered under our breath "What took the Big G so long"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
      My Ezinearticle traffic has gone down by 70% in the last 24 hours
      Have we learnt anything?

      Don't put all your eggs in one basket


      Try a different range of traffic generation methods, to drive traffic to your websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      No real marketer has anything to do with articles.
      I was with you all the way on your earlier post in the thread, but this line is just arrogant, opinionated, ill-informed nonsense. :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Most REAL marketers have known this for years and when the Big G finally stepped on all of them like they were an ant, we chuckled and muttered under our breath "What took the Big G so long"?
      You're obviously confusing "article marketing" with "article directory marketing".

      Nobody stepped on article marketers at all. Quite the opposite, in fact: real article marketers are the beneficiaries of Google slapping the article directories and are also asking what took the Big G so long. There are threads full of us here, saying so and explaining why. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
        [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;3669199]I was with you all the way on your earlier post in the thread, but this line is just arrogant, opinionated, ill-informed nonsense. :rolleyes:

        I was with you all the way until you said "ill-informed"

        Yes, I am arrogant (very) and also very opinionated. I am arrogant because I am an innovator and I view all article marketing AND "directories" as boring, non-innovative, bottom of the IM food chain crap.

        Of course that is my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      So are we talking about face book spam here..

      I would imagine FB marketing will follow article marketing along the Dodo trail eventually and will be oh so 2010/11.......

      Kim

      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Here are the numbers:

      fb: 500 million+ users. Capture fb search traffic by collecting the keywords you want to capture, just like you would when you write an "article"

      You then set up fan pages (or groups) for these keywords. You then make the landing page on these fan pages a squeeze page, forcing people to like the page.

      You then drive traffic to these pages through twitter, bookmarking etc....

      Before you know it, your fan page/group is top ten google/fb search and you are rolling in the dough on your product.

      No real marketer has anything to do with articles. Most REAL marketers have known this for years and when the Big G finally stepped on all of them like they were an ant, we chuckled and muttered under our breath "What took the Big G so long"?
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    • Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Here are the numbers:

      fb: 500 million+ users. Capture fb search traffic by collecting the keywords you want to capture, just like you would when you write an "article"

      You then set up fan pages (or groups) for these keywords. You then make the landing page on these fan pages a squeeze page, forcing people to like the page.

      You then drive traffic to these pages through twitter, bookmarking etc....

      Before you know it, your fan page/group is top ten google/fb search and you are rolling in the dough on your product.

      No real marketer has anything to do with articles. Most REAL marketers have known this for years and when the Big G finally stepped on all of them like they were an ant, we chuckled and muttered under our breath "What took the Big G so long"?
      Thanks very helpful- is there also a section to capture people's e-mails in this facebook fan squeeze page? How are you communicating with them? Is it with the send update feature on the page?
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Yeah, Matt is all over it....when you look over all of your pieces and see that your "articles" are dying that should inspire you to actually do REAL marketing and leave that bad, old relationship back where it belongs, buried with Britney Spears career.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcarrerra
    My #1 policy is to become an innovator, look at what my competition is doing, and don't rely on others for my traffic.

    As an example, ezinearticles would be used to spread my work BUT I would also build my own article directory in my niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
      Originally Posted by alcarrerra View Post

      My #1 policy is to become an innovator, look at what my competition is doing, and don't rely on others for my traffic.

      As an example, ezinearticles would be used to spread my work BUT I would also build my own article directory in my niche.

      Right on Brother
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  • Did EZA take another huge Google slap, because we have noticed that a few of our finance blogs got a boost in traffic, and when we investigated, we noticed that the "cheapo EZA articles" were not above our URLs anymore.

    Hmmm???
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  • Profile picture of the author cellington
    However, this happened a few weeks ago and my article still stood strong and managed to survive the slap.

    However, in the last 24 hours there was a 70% drop in traffic, the first time it ever happened. And the day before another drop.
    When Google announced the Farmer update at the end of February, it was US only, and it was likely they would expand it to other regions. While no one knows what *exactly* what Google does and when they do it, I would :rolleyes:guess:rolleyes: they just expanded Farmer to include your UK results

    Article directories were "the golden child" in 2007-8, but kind of lost their way in 2009-10. As the guy who came up with the idea for, and then founded and ran ArticleMarketer (Full Disclosure: I am currently CEO of DistributeYourArticles.com) I've been deep in this world for the better part of a decade.

    Article spinning...

    When done badly is the worst thing ever. And I must say, many people do it badly.

    Imagine if I were to rewrite that in a horrible spinspeak version:
    Upon completion poorly is dreadful item eternally. Also myself obligated utter, plentiful human race transact the thing shoddily.

    (don't laugh, complete articles of gibberish like that have actually been submitted!)

    For years I have decried that sort of article spinning - and I continue to do so. Loudly. From my position as an article marketer, and my avocation as a writer, the way spinning was being done simply did not - indeed COULD NOT - produce good content.

    But then I looked past the spinning tools that existed at the time. I instead focused on the actual goal of article spinning to determine if there was a way to make it work. The concept was sound. The execution was bad.

    When done properly, article spinning allows publishers to have an 80% unique, highly readable, non-spam article that they couldn't get any other way.

    or how about if I say the same thing again, spun in a smart way...
    V2. Article spinning - when done well - generates highly unique (80%) versions of articles that are easy to read, don't come across as spam and that would otherwise be unavailable to publishers.

    V3. Publishers benefit from well-crafted article spinning by gaining access to content that is 80% unique, readable by actual humans, and doesn't fall into the realm of spam. They have no other way to get this content.

    V4. It's difficult for publishers with limited access to content. Properly done, article spinning opens the door to a wealth of 80% unique, non-spam content that is readable by visitors and guests.
    As you can see, each version is readable, gets the point across, and isn't the typical spun nonsense that we see all over the place. I was happy to solve the spinning problem for our members.

    After all, there's a right way and a wrong way to do many things. Email is used to keep in touch with friends, family and business associates, or it is used to spam the planet. Does that make email bad?

    "Spinning" isn't bad. Lazy spammers who abuse an online thesaurus give spinning a bad name.

    Stopping spammers is why we have native English speaking *people* read *every* article (including the versions!) before distributing the article to bloggers and site owners around the net.

    So yes, while EZA traffic has been hammered, there are a number of posts here on WF written by individual site owners who are seeing their SERPs increased in the post-Farmer world. Now that the content farms are not sucking up all of the Google-Love, niche blogs and focused content sites are rising to the top positions.
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    • Originally Posted by cellington View Post

      When Google announced the Farmer update at the end of February, it was US only, and it was likely they would expand it to other regions. While no one knows what *exactly* what Google does and when they do it, I would :rolleyes:guess:rolleyes: they just expanded Farmer to include your UK results

      Article directories were "the golden child" in 2007-8, but kind of lost their way in 2009-10. As the guy who came up with the idea for, and then founded and ran ArticleMarketer (Full Disclosure: I am currently CEO of DistributeYourArticles.com) I've been deep in this world for the better part of a decade.

      Article spinning...

      When done badly is the worst thing ever. And I must say, many people do it badly.

      or how about a horrible spinspeak version:
      Upon completion poorly is dreadful item eternally. Also myself obligated utter, plentiful human race transact the thing shoddily.

      For years I have decried that sort of article spinning - and I continue to do so. Loudly. From my position as an article marketer, and my avocation as a writer, the way spinning was being done simply did not - indeed COULD NOT - produce good content.

      But then I looked past the spinning tools that existed at the time. I instead focused on the actual goal of article spinning to determine if there was a way to make it work. The concept was sound. The execution was bad.

      When done properly, article spinning allows publishers to have an 80% unique, highly readable, non-spam article that they couldn't get any other way.

      or how about if I say the same thing again, spun in a smart way...
      V2. Article spinning - when done well - generates highly unique (80%) versions of articles that are easy to read, don't come across as spam and that would otherwise be unavailable to publishers.

      V3. Publishers benefit from well-crafted article spinning by gaining access to content that is 80% unique, readable by actual humans, and doesn't fall into the realm of spam. They have no other way to get this content.

      V4. It's difficult for publishers with limited access to content. Properly done, article spinning opens the door to a wealth of 80% unique, non-spam content that is readable by visitors and guests.
      As you can see, each version is readable, gets the point across, and isn't the typical spun nonsense that we see all over the place. I was happy to solve the spinning problem for our members.

      After all, there's a right way and a wrong way to do many things. Email is used to keep in touch with friends, family and business associates, or it is used to spam the planet. Does that make email bad?

      "Spinning" isn't bad. Lazy spammers who abuse an online thesaurus give spinning a bad name.

      Stopping spammers is why we have native English speaking *people* read *every* article (including the versions!) before distributing the article to bloggers and site owners around the net.

      So yes, while EZA traffic has been hammered, there are a number of posts here on WF written by individual site owners who are seeing their SERPs increased in the post-Farmer world. Now that the content farms are not sucking up all of the Google-Love, niche blogs and focused content sites are rising to the top positions.
      I'll say that Farmer/Panda has increased our traffic. All niche blogs with great content are doing REALLY well.

      And you know what? These article directories will NEVER touch us (us being real bloggers) in the long run. Why?
      1. we have tight-niche blogs
      2. we have more than 1000 words on most posts
      3. we have over a dozen or more qualified links in our article giving more value to readers
      4. we have multiple pictures
      5. we have tables
      6. we have detailed data
      No SPUN ARTICLE will ever compete with that.

      As the years go on, more of these article directories are going to get hit hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyong
    Other than article marketing, you can make use of your articles to convert to slides and video. Submit those slides and video to slides & video directory.

    CY
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    And to put a cap on that...

    I believe most IM'ers should follow Warren Buffets investing advice:

    "Be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy"

    I have noticed that *most* people on this forum are constantly begging and crawling around looking for "list" and "article marketing" tips, hints and strategies.

    Let me tell you, the path to success is a not well trodden road. If you see EVERYONE doing article marketing and directories, you should run as far away as you can from it.

    Be different, be innovative, think outside the box, use your head. Don't do what every one else does.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I just love the smell of fresh irony. One of my niches is a course on social media marketing. It includes marketing using Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, Twitter, etc, and how to maximize the full power of social marketing. And, it is being promoted and sold extremely successfully through - article marketing in thousands of authority outlets such as ezines, blogs and websites. That's called "article syndication", which is perhaps too boring for you.

      So my little arrogant, opinionated friend and new member of the Warrior Forum, SocialMediaOwls. Welcome. You really have no idea about "everyone", and you would be in awe of the ideas and innovations that are here, as well as the proven practices we try to share with the less experienced. Marketing is full diversity and wonder, isn't it? LOL!
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      • Profile picture of the author haze
        fb: 500 million+ users. Capture fb search traffic by collecting the keywords you want to capture, just like you would when you write an "article"

        You then set up fan pages (or groups) for these keywords. You then make the landing page on these fan pages a squeeze page, forcing people to like the page.

        You then drive traffic to these pages through twitter, bookmarking etc....
        :confused::confused:ummm this is not spamming? as you say 'article marketers' do?

        Before you know it, your fan page/group is top ten google/fb search and you are rolling in the dough on your product.
        and nobody is doing THIS, right? :rolleyes:

        I am also an article marketer -NOT a spammer. The new Google changes did wonders for me. What used to be hard to get first page rankings for is now easier than ever.

        Alot of people also make money doing what you are doing. Go with what works for you.

        So... what, exactly, is a 'REAL' marketer???? Is it someone who takes great pleasure in taking advantage of people? Or is it someone who takes the time to get to know people, and to actually help them.

        And sometimes, you just gotta do what ya gotta do.


        That is exactly why IMers have such a bad rap. Thank you.

        But... as every 'real' marketer knows.... what works great today may not even exist tomorrow, right?

        To each his (or her) own... there IS no right or wrong... everyone has what works for them. So article marketing wasn't very good to you, obviously, or you wouldn't be bashing it... but it does work for alot of other people.

        oh, guess i wasn't aware...
        No real marketer has anything to do with articles. Most REAL marketers have known this for years and when the Big G finally stepped on all of them like they were an ant, we chuckled and muttered under our breath "What took the Big G so long"?
        um... ok... sorry to tell you this, in case you didnt know... you just described article marketing just about to a T -- EXCEPT you take advantage of people. WOW now that's
        innovation
        :rolleyes:

        No one should ever have all of their eggs in one basket, but most newbies do - hell, most newbies don't even HAVE a basket yet - that's why they're (as you call it) begging and crying here. There's a bit of a difference between that and actually wanting to learn how to be successful online. What better place to do that then here? (keep us informed of your success when facebook bottoms out, will ya?) as any REAL marketer knows... it's c..o..m..i..n..g.........

        Well, you did what you wanted. You drew attention to yourself.. now what are you going to DO with it?
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    • Profile picture of the author LiamP
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      I believe most IM'ers should follow Warren Buffets investing advice:
      Funny it's been a long time since Warren Buffet did any innovation. He's just stuck to his plain old principles. Guess he could have made some real money had he leapt onto every new money making method that came along instead.
      Silly fellow just stuck to honing and perfecting his system.

      Warren Buffett's Bet Against Innovation - BusinessWeek

      Buffet on innovation.
      "At one point, his interviewer asked the question that is on all our minds: "Should wise people have known better?" Of course, they should have, Buffett replied, but there's a "natural progression" to how good new ideas go wrong. He called this progression the "three I's." First come the innovators, who see opportunities that others don't. Then come the imitators, who copy what the innovators have done. And then come the idiots, whose avarice undoes the very innovations they are trying to use to get rich."
      Which of the 3 are you?
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Well played Myob!

    But my point is this....the word "article" and "innovation" don't belong in the same sentence.

    But kudos to you for capitalizing on suckers. I have respect for you. Not because you are innovative, but because you do what it takes to get by. And sometimes, you just gotta do what ya gotta do.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      Well played Myob!

      But my point is this....the word "article" and "innovation" don't belong in the same sentence.

      But kudos to you for capitalizing on suckers. I have respect for you. Not because you are innovative, but because you do what it takes to get by. And sometimes, you just gotta do what ya gotta do.
      And my point is that marketing includes many different techniques and media. You come in here blasting away at a powerful marketing model with no understanding of what you are talking about. There is nothing in your posts of any substance or hint of "innovation". Nor is there anything new or "innovative" about online social media marketing no matter how much you go on huffing and puffing with empty generalizations. Perhaps Facebook marketing is all new to you, but actually it is merely an adaption of another age-old marketing concept - networking.

      Innovation is an important quality to have, that I do agree, but your arrogance has blinded you to using what already works. To "innovate", first you need to understand the basic underlying principles of marketing. Besides your oblique reference to Facebook marketing, there are hundreds of other proven marketing techniques both online and offline that can be far more effective depending on market demographics. Writing, whether it be articles or advertising, still happens to be a very powerful tool for any marketing effort including online, offline, or any "innovation" in media.

      Your kudos to me for "capitalizing on suckers" needs extensive innovation renovation, as it hardly meets any criteria for a cutting edge marketing style.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    I was merely trying to steer these newbies towards innovation. But you know what? Just keep banging your head against the wall....it's all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    the article directories took a major hit from google
    thats why its extremely important not to put all your
    eggs in one basket.

    you should have at least 3 or 4 different traffic sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
    Ezinearticles.com is making radical changes to what they accept. If you don't know how to do any other type of marketing, I can tell you confidently that if you still just submitted 1 article a day to them, optimizing for the correct keywords, you will be just fine. This dip in traffic is temporary.

    I get the bulk of my traffic from them and I've done ALOT of other marketing. Articles have been THE BEST investment, most just to ezinearticles.com

    Diversify your traffic, but only after you get good at one traffic source. Ezinearticles.com is not going anywhere for a long time and they are still the number one article directory. Dropping them would be leaving money on the table.

    In fact my opt-ins from ezinearticles.com have increased so... it may be how you are optimizing your articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    I was hoping you would share here and give some newer ideas to the poster that needed help. Not some arrogant, vague, purposeless answer. But then again, who cares?
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  • Profile picture of the author cellington
    TurnkeyBusinessBlogs said:
    I'll say that Farmer/Panda has increased our traffic. All niche blogs with great content are doing REALLY well.
    Yep, that's what we are hearing from our members too. It used to be that when searching for a gardening article, AssociatedContent and EZA and the content farms sucked up all the link-love. Now that they've been cast out, niche blogs and focused content sites are at the top of the heap.

    And you know what? These article directories will NEVER touch us (us being real bloggers) in the long run.
    The best part is that .. omg... that's the right thing! When a 'gardening' web searcher found a gardening article at AssociatedContent, that article was surrounded by all sorts of unrelated content about stuffed animals and wedding cakes and antique armor...

    But now, that gardening searcher lands at a real gardening website, and that's good for the searcher, for the site owner, for the article author, for the gardening advertisers and yes, even for Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author haze
    SocialMediaOwls

    ok. amuse me, please. what, in YOUR opinion, is INNOVATION? Now I'm just curious. IMO, Innovation is an awesome thing... BUT... so is NOT reinventing the wheel, ESPECIALLY for newbies. And, NO, I am not saying that everyone should market with articles - I know a lot of marketers who can't even write an email right.

    I am saying that you have to start somewhere. My opinion of innovation is taking what works for others and putting your own personal spin on it. You're still going to have to test the waters to see what works for YOU, right?

    Come on now.... fess up.... how many things have YOU tried before you made money with this? I would say at least 2.

    I was messing around with IM before Google started 'slapping', and before everyone started being ridiculous and running around like fools trying to do what they think Google wants. As soon as you think you've figured it out, SLAP... again. They are just trying to stay #1, cause it looks like they're starting to get beat and they won't have it. SO.... they're being innovative. Correct? They HAVE to. They're in business.

    So, yes, I agree that you have to be innovative, or you're gonna fall on your ass. But tell me you have NOT?

    How much money have you wasted on 'real' marketing? That is where true article marketers differ. We do 'spend' just as much, but ours is not out of our wallets.

    BUT you do NOT have to come here with such a sh***y attitude, either. We're supposed to be here to help. Not to say - hey - take what you've been learning the past year or so and flush it 'cause Google's gonna get rid of you anyway.

    We're here to say - yeah, Google did her 'thing' again, so here is what you can do to get back in the rankings. With something you own - not something that owns you. I quit trying to please Google a long time ago. THAT's what made the difference for me. Google may be the biggest fish in the sea for now, but she surely isn't the ONLY fish.

    And this is just silly...
    The best of the best will be around, everyone else dies.
    you sound just like my 17 yr. old son.

    I don't remember all the posts, but I think cyong was one of the only ones that actually helped the OP:

    Other than article marketing, you can make use of your articles to convert to slides and video. Submit those slides and video to slides & video directory.

    CY
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    I didnt' have time to list *every* "cutting edge" method.

    Obviously you need hundreds of methods running at the same time. Again, and I think I have said this about 3 times today. I am trying to steer this kid AWAY from article marketing and into something more effective.

    At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, just do your own thing and life will teach you.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      I didnt' have time to list *every* "cutting edge" method.

      Obviously you need hundreds of methods running at the same time. Again, and I think I have said this about 3 times today. I am trying to steer this kid AWAY from article marketing and into something more effective.

      At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, just do your own thing and life will teach you.
      I don't read your posts... you're really not that important to me. I am sure that you have said the same thing at least 3 times today about Facebook marketing :rolleyes:

      BUT, in this thread all you have done is talk about Facebook marketing and bash article marketing so I assume that this is your thing. No doubt you are into forum marketing also? :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        I don't read your posts... you're really not that important to me.

        Feel better now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    It is extremely difficult to get straightforward advice from any thread on article marketing.

    First of all, different people have different ideas about what article marketing is. Then you have people created specific terms (such as article directory marketing) that helps - if you've been following all the previous discussions. No-one discusses how they use articles, posts any sample articles, or links to websites/blogs that profit from article marketing. Finally, every other post is someone prating on about the 'end of article marketing'.

    The simple fact of the matter is...

    If you've got the brains to write quality articles that people will actually benefit from reading then you've got the brains to find out where to post these articles in order to make some money from them.

    If you're running around panicking because you can't find a way to make money online then run away from article marketing with the rest of the frightened mob.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      If you've got the brains to write quality articles that people will actually benefit from reading then you've got the brains to find out where to post these articles in order to make some money from them.
      Your illustrious namesake might have liked this logic, I admit.

      I suspect the reality, for many, is a little more complicated, though, in some ways? Writing quality articles is something of an acquired skill, requiring both education and practice: not simply something one "has the brains to do".

      It could be argued that there are plenty of people with quite overwhelming brainpower who can't write quality articles.

      There also seem to be some people who have the right type of brainpower and skills to produce some very high quality articles but have unknowingly been misinformed on the subject of how to make the most of them. I suspect that literary skills and marketing skills involve some non-contiguous areas of the cerebral cortex.

      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      If you're running around panicking because you can't find a way to make money online then run away from article marketing with the rest of the frightened mob.
      Yes, I think this is good advice. "Running around panicking" and "making a living from article marketing" are probably pretty much mutually exclusive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wills
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Writing quality articles is something of an acquired skill, requiring both education and practice: not simply something one "has the brains to do".
        I fully agree. It took me a long time and a lot of reading my articles out loud to myself, before I found my 'inner voice'. So that my articles flowed better and were easier to read. Rather than a bunch of facts thrown onto a page.

        Top sports people do not become elite athletes without practice. So why do people write two articles, then complain that article marketing doesn't work.
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        • Profile picture of the author bluedolphinc
          Originally Posted by Wills View Post

          I fully agree. It took me a long time and a lot of reading my articles out loud to myself, before I found my 'inner voice'. So that my articles flowed better and were easier to read. Rather than a bunch of facts thrown onto a page.

          Top sports people do not become elite athletes without practice. So why do people write two articles, then complain that article marketing doesn't work.
          I have often wondered that myself Willis. Good point. Writing good articles, or any really good writing is a skill. The talent to write in many genres I believe is in born. However, to be able to mold and rewrite the articles into something others can take and use, requires skills you have to learn and practice to keep honing and improving them.

          Just like many other things, like sports, or true success in any other area.
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  • Profile picture of the author buckeyes09
    How does using Facebook today constitute innovation? Wouldn't finding the next conduit constitute innovation?
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  • Profile picture of the author Roland Hop
    I must say for myself personally these new Google changes have shown me very great positive results! It's all about the quality; throw away that crap content and let the high quality, informative content climb up in rankings

    BTW, I never knew facebook was an untapped market, damn it must be great to be an innovator :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    You can poke fun at my facebook comment, but my point was 99% of people that try to use social media for marketing do it incorrectly and it is an innovative science (and used by few) to do it correctly.

    I didn't have time to cover all the many other innovative things that we do. But just keep rockin' on with your "articles"
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    • Profile picture of the author Roland Hop
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      You can poke fun at my facebook comment, but my point was 99% of people that try to use social media for marketing do it incorrectly and it is an innovative science (and used by few) to do it correctly.

      I didn't have time to cover all the many other innovative things that we do. But just keep rockin' on with your "articles"
      Do what works for you, there's no problem with that, but there's no need to knock down systems that work for others. That's called being ignorant
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    For this time, EA is ranked #104 on Alexa.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amrutg
    Basically I do not agree that ezine articles can ever bring substantial traffic. It is alright for your writing skills and getting acknowledged as quality writer. Otherwise ezine articles are also as useless as other article directories for getting traffic.
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    • Originally Posted by Amrutg View Post

      Basically I do not agree that ezine articles can ever bring substantial traffic. It is alright for your writing skills and getting acknowledged as quality writer. Otherwise ezine articles are also as useless as other article directories for getting traffic.
      I'll have to disagree with you there Amrutg. Before Google's algorithm changes, I was receiving as much as 1,000 unique visitors to my website from my articles on ezinearticles (i had a couple hundred up). My lowest day was 200 uniques a day and I averaged a few hundred. This figure remained on autopilot without me having to do anything for over 12 months.

      Now it is a different story if you want to ask if this is sustainable (clearly not anymore) or of this was a flawed business model (clearly was as I lost a lot of traffic to adsense ads).

      But one thing was certain it did in fact bring in substantial traffic, hence my concern and what promoted me to start this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author mizesean
    Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

    Hello fellow warrriors,

    Ezineartice traffic has been the main source of traffic to my website over the course of the last year. I have consistently been getting a few hundred unique visits a day for over a year from ezine.

    Now all of a sudden in the last 24 hours.....that traffic has dropped by a SHOCKING 70%!!!

    Now I know about the new Google algorithm changes and how content farms and article directories got a major slap, especially ezine.

    However, this happened a few weeks ago and my article still stood strong and managed to survive the slap.

    However, in the last 24 hours there was a 70% drop in traffic, the first time it ever happened. And the day before another drop.

    Has anyone been experiencing this in the last 24-48 hours?

    Any idea why this is happening and what I can do to regain that traffic?

    Thanks,

    Mark
    Mark,

    Without looking at some of your articles and seeing what you are doing - I can't tell you exactly why your traffic has gone down.

    I am of course assuming that you are writing good solid articles, and that you have at least 100 articles (if you only have a few articles, you are going to have bigger fluctuations in traffic daily)..

    Anyhow, I have written a thread that I think helps explain how I feel about this whole topic:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-not-dead.html
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  • Profile picture of the author cellington
    Article marketing allows you to capitalize on the marketing efforts of other business owners. Think of it as a tacit joint venture.

    They attract an audience you wish to reach. You get to interact with their audience in exchange for providing interesting, on-topic, grammatically correct content. It's good for you. It's good for them. Win-Win.

    What I find interesting about this thread is that everyone is actually *doing* the same thing - working to capture the attention of a targeted audience of prospective buyers. The only difference is the toolset being advocated to reach that audience:

    SocialMediaOwls advocates using Facebook.
    marktheonlinesurfer advocates posting articles on specific article directories.
    Alexa advocates putting articles on her own sites.

    But I think that most business owners are more generalist than that. So go ahead... Write articles and post them on a site you own + Post them in directories + Become a guest blogger on niche blogs and focused content sites + Engage on FaceBook + Talk to people in forums + Keep a twitter stream going + Use email to interact with members... + whatever other tactics, techniques, and approaches that work for you.

    There is no "be-all and end-all perfect marketing solution" that works for every business and every business owner. Tailor your efforts to your particular skills, interests and abilities.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluedolphinc
    Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

    Hello fellow warrriors,

    Ezineartice traffic has been the main source of traffic to my website over the course of the last year. I have consistently been getting a few hundred unique visits a day for over a year from ezine.

    Now all of a sudden in the last 24 hours.....that traffic has dropped by a SHOCKING 70%!!!

    Now I know about the new Google algorithm changes and how content farms and article directories got a major slap, especially ezine.

    However, this happened a few weeks ago and my article still stood strong and managed to survive the slap.

    However, in the last 24 hours there was a 70% drop in traffic, the first time it ever happened. And the day before another drop.

    Has anyone been experiencing this in the last 24-48 hours?

    Any idea why this is happening and what I can do to regain that traffic?

    Thanks,

    Mark
    Thank you Mark this is an important topic. And I appreciate hearing what is happening right now so I can move forward in areas that are beneficial instead of wasting time doing things that no longer work.
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  • Profile picture of the author hashbury
    I have never been a big fan of article marketing, but started around the beginning od december. I had some good sales and traffic from my articles. I read quite a few of alexa's post and followed her guidelines. For the most part my sites all out rank the article directories for the articles I wrote.

    When the algo changed I noticed a huge dip in traffic that I was getting from ezinearticles. This was and is not my main source of traffic so not a real big deal. For the next week or maybe week and a half the article traffic was about the same.

    Then, the traffic to my articles on ezines slowy increased till it got back to almost the normal amount of traffic. Then between the forth and fith of this month it spiked up about 25%.

    So all in all since the algo change to this very point my traffic from ezine is up around 20%.

    However, the traffic seems to have come from within ezine and not from the search engines (at least not google). My ezine rankings in google are still about the same as they were after the algo change.
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  • Profile picture of the author cellington
    Absolutely - it's about good content. Inform, provide data, stats, even opinions. Focus on answering questions people need answered.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    A real game changer for me was picking up Jonathan Mizel's Traffic Evolution course at Traffic Evolution (not an affiliate link). Definitely only for serious marketers who want traffic and are willing to go through the conversion learning curve.

    Definitely continue using sites like Ezinearticles.com, IdeaMarketers.com, GoArticles.com, etc. but you definitely want to diversify your paid traffic sources as well.

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  • Profile picture of the author cellington
    One very good rule of thumb is to ask yourself this question: Will the reader benefit from this without buying/attending/subscribing/signing up?" And remember, it doesn't count if the benefit is "having learned about my product/event/newsletter/program".
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