Scam Alert- just got ripped off of $100

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Hello Warriors,
Yesterday, I was ripped off because I didn't put on my thinking cap. Don't make my mistake please.

I needed to do an exchange with a complete stranger. He said I should send the funds through paypal choosing 'gift' as the option...I learn't later that that was the most stupid thing I've done in recent years.

Long story short. Immediately after sending the said money, the guy backed off and I reported to paypal immediately. Then I learn't my lessons...

Ones money is sent as gift with paypal, you can't open a dispute over it! This was the bomb!

Lesson Learn't- Never send business deals funds as a gift using paypal.
Never do business with someone with reputation.
Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me.
Do your due diligence before transacting business, don't push transactions, use your thinking cap. Anyone can scam. Beware!

That's my ordeal. I'm sure it'll make up my experience and it'll never repeat itself again. Please fellow warriors, DON'T GET SCAMMED!!!

Tim
#$100 #alert #ripped #scam
  • Profile picture of the author Roland Hop
    Thanks for the lookout on the gift option! Haven't used it personally but now I'll be sure to use it for purposes I can trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    These sorts of alerts stop us getting too comfortable online. There are many scammers around sadly.

    These are mainly people who have tried and failed in IM and are out to rip people off and claim short-term profits unrightfully.

    You must suspect each and every person you deal with as a potential scammer, I know it sounds harsh but they really are everywhere in IM. If you proceed with caution every time you interact with someone you can be confident that you are being safe.

    At least it was only $100!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
    How do these people sleep at night?

    I think it starts small, and in the beginning they might feel a little guilty, but over time as they continue without consequences they lose their conscience over time.

    Thanks for the tip off about the gift option at PayPal, I wouldn't have guessed that.
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  • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
    With age comes experience...the last thing I can think of is someone ripping me off. I've never done it to anyone before...lessons learn't!

    If only I was wiser...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Think of it this way - anyone asking you to send the money as a "gift" is doing so to scam PayPal out of their fees. If they'll rip off PayPal, why wouldn't they rip you off, too?
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Think of it this way - anyone asking you to send the money as a "gift" is doing so to scam PayPal out of their fees. If they'll rip off PayPal, why wouldn't they rip you off, too?
        Tina,

        There is a difference, though I believe the fact that I see that difference is probably a failing in me.

        I am totally honest and above board in all my dealings with people, as they are real to me. They could be my wife, brother, father, friends, or at least I think of people that way.

        Google, on the other hand, is a faceless entity. I feel no compunction in making Google think that my sites are more popular than they are, and that is because I don't think of them as people. I think most people act this way, though that doesn't make it right.

        PayPal is a company that, in spite of what others say, I like.

        I've talked to them on the phone, many times, and found them to be very helpful. I would certainly not cheat them out of their fees, but maybe someone else would, based on the logic I used concerning Google. Possibly this whole line of thought is a slippery slope.

        As to tricking someone out of their money by exploiting a loop hole, well to me that is theft. Just the same as slipping their wallet from their pocket, or breaking into their house. That is totally wrong.


        Pacesetter007,

        I would advise you to phone PayPal and explain what happened. I have found them to be very helpful. Even if they cannot help you, they may be able to stop this from happening to others.

        I wish I had better advice for you, but the best thing to do at this point is to warn PayPal what is going on, then count it as lost money.

        Be completely honest with them, though. People tie themselves in some horrible knots by trying to be clever with PayPal. Honest is your best defense. Good luck!

        Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Think of it this way - anyone asking you to send the money as a "gift" is doing so to scam PayPal out of their fees. If they'll rip off PayPal, why wouldn't they rip you off, too?
        And that is exactly the argument someone used with me one time. He just wanted to 'save' on the Paypal fees....yeh, right :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    Thanks so much for educating us on this. I had no idea people would do this. Sorry that happened to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author mcmc9
    Thanks for the heads up on the gift option. I was truly unaware of that option to begin
    with and now know to never use it. Very sad to here about you getting ripped off.

    Best of Luck in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
      It isn't just in IM that this sort of thing happens. I used to sell a lot on Ebay and I used to often be asked to put Gift on customs forms so that people could avoid paying import duties and taxes.

      Unfortunately dishonesty is all around us.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexts
    Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    Yesterday, I was ripped off because I didn't put on my thinking cap. Don't make my mistake please.

    I needed to do an exchange with a complete stranger. He said I should send the funds through paypal choosing 'gift' as the option...I learn't later that that was the most stupid thing I've done in recent years.

    Long story short. Immediately after sending the said money, the guy backed off and I reported to paypal immediately. Then I learn't my lessons...

    Ones money is sent as gift with paypal, you can't open a dispute over it! This was the bomb!

    Lesson Learn't- Never send business deals funds as a gift using paypal.
    Never do business with someone with reputation.
    Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me.
    Do your due diligence before transacting business, don't push transactions, use your thinking cap. Anyone can scam. Beware!

    That's my ordeal. I'm sure it'll make up my experience and it'll never repeat itself again. Please fellow warriors, DON'T GET SCAMMED!!!

    Tim

    I nearly got scammed as well.You are absolutely right about not being emotional about the purchase.Remember, if it sounds too good to be true,it is scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Sorry to hear that and thanks for the warning, didn't know about the gift option being abused by scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author brik2500
    Yeah, I didnt know anything about the GIFT option....

    sorry about your money man.....there are some unscrupulous

    people in the world.

    BEST

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  • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
    I would still file a report against the person by calling them and saying "I know I cant dispute the gift now but I want you to be aware so-and-so is scamming people doing this."

    What a horrible person..
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Really good advice. It's easy to get "caught up in the moment" and be completely illogical at times...

    Unfortunately, we can't really trust people before getting to know them. Good advice here, for business people of any level of experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
    What I did like someone pointed out was completely illogical and maybe s........p. Why would I send business fee as gift?

    I made that mistake and I'm sure that'll never happen again. Never. Just be careful guys when transacting business.

    There're two side to a table. On one side is control, on the other side is where the explaination takes place. Lessons learnt. Don't be stupid!

    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author imfusa
    Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    Yesterday, I was ripped off because I didn't put on my thinking cap. Don't make my mistake please.

    I needed to do an exchange with a complete stranger. He said I should send the funds through paypal choosing 'gift' as the option...I learn't later that that was the most stupid thing I've done in recent years.

    Long story short. Immediately after sending the said money, the guy backed off and I reported to paypal immediately. Then I learn't my lessons...

    Ones money is sent as gift with paypal, you can't open a dispute over it! This was the bomb!

    Lesson Learn't- Never send business deals funds as a gift using paypal.
    Never do business with someone with reputation.
    Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me.
    Do your due diligence before transacting business, don't push transactions, use your thinking cap. Anyone can scam. Beware!

    That's my ordeal. I'm sure it'll make up my experience and it'll never repeat itself again. Please fellow warriors, DON'T GET SCAMMED!!!

    Tim

    Be aware also: Don't send money as gift or SERVICE.
    For service is the same problem, you won't get your money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
      Originally Posted by imfusa View Post

      Be aware also: Don't send money as gift or SERVICE.
      For service is the same problem, you won't get your money back.
      I didn't know that also! Thanks for pointing that out!
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  • Profile picture of the author ritaj
    Thanks for the info. I too did not realise this, and now being forewarned am
    grateful to you for admitting to having been scammed.
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  • Profile picture of the author mubb
    thanks a lot, i did not even know there was a gift option.
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  • Profile picture of the author HollyJean
    So sorry!

    It is sad to hear that few people are honest anymore. Paypal has some good protection built into their site, but the "gift" scam you mentioned is new to me. I will spread the word in hopes no one else gets caught up in it!
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  • Profile picture of the author ajrocks
    You can tell times are tough because the sammers are everywhere these days. I see them in our program every day. We shut down about 5 scammers per day. A year ago that would have been one or two a week.
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    • Profile picture of the author rambrose
      Sorry to hear that and thanks for the heads up! It's a shame you had to lose money in the process.

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  • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
    This is just a horrible thing for someone to do. I have used Paypal for years for business, and didn't even know about the "gift" way to send money. I am so thankful I read this post. I am so sorry it happened, but this post will keep it happening from a lot more people! Thanks so much!
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    • Profile picture of the author MeganFreed
      Wow. It is amazing the levels some people will go to just to make a buck. Sorry you got scammed but thanks for sharing what happened. Now I can be on guard so this doesn't happen to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
        Sorry to hear this happened to you.

        Another thing to thing about is taxes. If you are paying for goods and services and mark them a gifts, that will have an impact also on your business expenses.
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        • Thanks for the heads up. I have been approached before about sending money as gifts but didn't fully understand why. I didn't do it because of the tax aspect as LilBlackDress pointed out. It is better to just be "up and up" about things. Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
    If I even knew the "tax thing", it'd have been better. I didn't know. Plain ignorance. Illogical decisions...

    Please warriors, don't make my mistake. Never forget your thinking cap when doing business. The times are hard!

    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Marr
    Sorry to hear that. You should be able to explain everything to paypal and dispute it.
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  • Profile picture of the author gar
    im really sorry about that..
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylent
    Can always say unauthorized payment however
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  • Profile picture of the author adana
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    paypal has outrageos HIGH fees... when the conversion fe is involved, is almost 6.50% per small transactions.

    and 6.50% for what? Paypal has crap service, millions of horror stories all over internet...

    no wonder so many people are hating Paypal
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  • Profile picture of the author talamoth
    I am really sorry to hear that you got scammed. It happens to the best of us so don't get down on yourself thinking you should have known better. I've never heard of the PayPal gift option either. I so much appreciate that you took the time to post the warning to everyone. It made me feel how vulnerable we all are in an online environment and you just can't be too careful. Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmailGuy
    The only way to save yourself from a scam is to read the fineprint before using a service. One act of ignorance can cost you a lot. I've been a victim of fraud too.
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  • Profile picture of the author GLX
    thanks for sharing m8, that woukd really suck.. good the amount wasnt that large btw if the guys is on the forum plz let us know who he is
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiderZq
    We hv to beware from everyone on internet world... thats it
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    What! There are crooks on the internet???? Who knew???
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  • Thanks for offering your experience to us. Sorry to hear about it! I never thought about the gift option not being able to dispute. I'll store that one away.

    I'm not saying that you shouldn't be upset. But strictly speaking every business faces and at some time will deal with shrinkage of some sort.(loss)

    Many retail businesses see shrinkage ( loss from theft, errors, and poor judgment of upwards of 20%. This is a fact. I have dealt with and have clients who deal with this level of loss.)

    Grow your business it will come back. Don't let it be a stumbling block.

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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      Sorry to hear about your bad exprience

      Hope the scumbag rots somewhere the sun don't shine!

      It's sad that Paypal themselves don't take any action on these rorts. If they are using paypal, then paylpal have their details -- I would have thought some action should still be possible ??
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  • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
    I've definitely picked myself up. I'm now back into work and rolling. Kinda painful but then, lessons learn't!

    One thing I can't fathom though is "why can't people be honest?" Why can't we just trust each other and live life in peace why?

    I know the answer! The world is crude! Be careful!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

      I've definitely picked myself up. I'm now back into work and rolling. Kinda painful but then, lessons learn't!

      One thing I can't fathom though is "why can't people be honest?" Why can't we just trust each other and live life in peace why?

      I know the answer! The world is crude! Be careful!!!
      I know, it's a shame that they would resort to such measures just to scam you out of your $100. There are so many ways to make an honest $100 on the internet that aren't really difficult at all, I wonder how people like this scammer can sleep every night perpetrating these scams time and time again (I'm sure this isn't the first or the last time he has done this).
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    Yesterday, I was ripped off because I didn't put on my thinking cap. Don't make my mistake please.

    I needed to do an exchange with a complete stranger. He said I should send the funds through paypal choosing 'gift' as the option...I learn't later that that was the most stupid thing I've done in recent years.

    Long story short. Immediately after sending the said money, the guy backed off and I reported to paypal immediately. Then I learn't my lessons...

    Ones money is sent as gift with paypal, you can't open a dispute over it! This was the bomb!

    Lesson Learn't- Never send business deals funds as a gift using paypal.
    Never do business with someone with reputation.
    Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me.
    Do your due diligence before transacting business, don't push transactions, use your thinking cap. Anyone can scam. Beware!

    That's my ordeal. I'm sure it'll make up my experience and it'll never repeat itself again. Please fellow warriors, DON'T GET SCAMMED!!!

    Tim

    $100 is a low amount of money to learn such a valuable lesson!

    Best wishes,
    Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Thanks for the tip I hate a -holes like that they are like cockroaches. Sorry you had to go through that but you learned a valuable lesson. Just remember the saying what comes around goes around people like that usually get it ten times worse in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimitris Skiadas
    I have being scammed too that way. But mine was fortunately only 30$.Your biggest mistake was this "Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me." Thanks for posting and be more careful next time.I know i will be
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Its the first time that I was informed about the downside of the gift feature. Gosh...I wonder if he really had that as a habit? This reminded me to become more careful than before when making transactions online.

    Andrea
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    • Profile picture of the author vencedor08
      I was scammed for $500 here a few month ago. It sems like the guy who did it still visit this forum once in a while. Is it ok to mention his name here or do I need to contact some one on this forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author onemorewarrior
      thank you soooo Much for this info Now I know not to make this mistake. I never realized that you couldn't dispute a gift transaction.
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    • Profile picture of the author blend
      If i was you i would post his/hers details all over the warrior forum! It's what they deserve!
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by blend View Post

        If i was you i would post his/hers details all over the warrior forum! It's what they deserve!
        Then you would be banned for breaking the rules, as you may be for suggesting others should do the same.

        Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Pollina
      WOW! Thanks for the heads up. Never would have thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Manuelcrc
    Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    Yesterday, I was ripped off because I didn't put on my thinking cap. Don't make my mistake please.

    I needed to do an exchange with a complete stranger. He said I should send the funds through paypal choosing 'gift' as the option...I learn't later that that was the most stupid thing I've done in recent years.

    Long story short. Immediately after sending the said money, the guy backed off and I reported to paypal immediately. Then I learn't my lessons...

    Ones money is sent as gift with paypal, you can't open a dispute over it! This was the bomb!

    Lesson Learn't- Never send business deals funds as a gift using paypal.
    Never do business with someone with reputation.
    Never get emotional while doing business- this is my main undoing. I trusted the guy thinking everyone's like me.
    Do your due diligence before transacting business, don't push transactions, use your thinking cap. Anyone can scam. Beware!

    That's my ordeal. I'm sure it'll make up my experience and it'll never repeat itself again. Please fellow warriors, DON'T GET SCAMMED!!!

    Tim
    Sounds really bad Bro. Sorry about that.
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    • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
      Originally Posted by Manuelcrc View Post

      Sounds really bad Bro. Sorry about that.
      Really bad bro. You know I've never been scammed, I was damn foolish that day!

      I left the experience behind though it affected my budget but then, wetin small pickin go do? I'm keeping my heads straight and watching out!

      Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by pacesetter007 View Post

        Really bad bro. You know I've never been scammed, I was damn foolish that day!

        I left the experience behind though it affected my budget but then, wetin small pickin go do? I'm keeping my heads straight and watching out!

        Tim
        Tim, look on the bright side. You only lost $100 - instead of wasting so much time lamenting your loss, you should instead concentrate on making that $100 back quickly. If you put your mind to it and really focus, it should not take you more than a few days to recoup this loss. Remember that time is money, so just move on and quickly start getting productive!

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  • Profile picture of the author ejb2059
    Thanks for the heads up ..

    I'm sorry that your warning came at such a high, and painful price!

    Caveat Emptor eh?

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  • Profile picture of the author healingoasis
    Thank you for sharing this with us. I can say on behalf of some of the community, this will help a lot of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Another thing to be leery of is non tangible goods. A Paypal rep told me that many things such as link building, etc. were considered non tangible. She even included websites.

      She said that if you buy something non tangible and don't get it, you do not qualify for a Paypal refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lusco
    Hi, thanks for the warning. Was paypal able to help. Were you able to get anything back.
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  • Profile picture of the author actofrage
    wow, never knew this! Thanks for the heads-up, but sorry you got scammed mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris@AlertPay
    In general you shouldn't exchange money through an individual. There are registered exchangers that offer their services for a fee, but even they can be unreliable.
    The safest way to exchange is to withdraw your money & then put it where you want it.

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    • Profile picture of the author pacesetter007
      Originally Posted by Chris@AlertPay View Post

      In general you shouldn't exchange money through an individual. There are registered exchangers that offer their services for a fee, but even they can be unreliable.
      The safest way to exchange is to withdraw your money & then put it where you want it.

      Chris Z
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      Are you an alertpay rep or what? Judging by your signature...if yes, i've got some bugging questions to ask.

      Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Burr
    Please dont feel to bad. I have been scammed three times i dont trust anyone anymore. I would watchout for forum sellers also, you never know. Goodluck its hard out there!
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    Sure. Never use it for transactions. And by the way thanks for the lookout on the gift option! Haven't used it personally but now I'll be sure to use it for purposes I can trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author Parto
    Yeah scams are done really often using this method, be carefull dealing with stuff without proof of item actually beeing sold/shipped/bought
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  • Profile picture of the author mccartyjess
    Thanks for sharing with us. There are too many scams out there!
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    Thanks for pointing this out.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.gaurabborah
    There are lots of these guys on internet. Just be alert and smart and don't let these guys scam you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Ahhh ... sorry that happened to you. Hope that is a lesson to others who think they may save a little bit of Paypal fees by sending money as a gift.
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  • Profile picture of the author KarimPPC
    you should have realised that a business transaction is never a gift payment, you cant use it as an expense otherwise
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  • Profile picture of the author MakeSmiles
    And while were speaking of scams, don't ever send anything COD (Collect on Delivery) via the postal service. Even though it was specified CASH ONLY, the postal worker accepted a worthless check. I thought all would be ok by specifying CASH ONLY, but it didn't work out that way. The loss was to the tune of just over $400 and I still have that check in a frame over my desk to be a daily reminder. If you have to send something via COD, you would probably be better served using UPS or other like service. Just be sure to check if they are responsible if they screw up and accept a check instead of cash!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
    Can you explode the faker information?
    And so we can prevent it happen.
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    thanks for letting us all know -- i certainly was not aware of the gift option and how it could be fraudulently used -- i hope that person pays dearly
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  • Profile picture of the author Tanmi Gold
    There are many online frauds in the name of money exchangers. I witnessed one when i was trying to exchange AP-PP money.
    He takes AP money first and then simply escapes without sending the exchange money. He uses many unverified AP and PP accounts in various names like John Smith, Ying Song, and Marina Galac.
    This might be helpful to someone i thought.
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    Thanks for that. I also learned the hard way with PayPal that if you close a dispute, and then later find out you've been scammed, you cannot reopen the dispute and the scammer gets away with your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Hi,

      Sorry to hear that Pace.

      How and where you got acquainted with the scammer?

      Create a new BLOGSPOT account and HIGHLIGHT what you know about that guy and what happened.

      Also, go to scam.com and other sites like it. Post your complaints there as well as you did here in WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Thank you for bringing this matter up.

    However, I think that in highlighting it, it will prove counter-productive.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryKathan
    Thanks for the tip on the Gift feature...this is the first I have heard of it.

    Sorry you got scammed. It is good of you that you have helped us...
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    ok thx for your information bro... that sounds no good .... good alert
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonGrimes
    Sorry to hear about your bad experience, I don't know how scammers have the nerve.

    Thank you for the heads up, not that I send money via the gift option but atleast I know not to do that for future reference.

    All the best,
    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Manoj
    When I first saw this I thought may be I'm going to see some promotion like how the affiliate marketers do <program name> is it a Scam? to get search engine love but I can see that you are a honest person. Sorry about the loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaa33030
    Well you could have told paypal that it was an unauthorized transaction
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  • Profile picture of the author megawarrior
    If anyone asks for payment through the Paypal "donation" method, for me it's equivalent to them asking for payment via Western Union. Sorry about your loss by the way.
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