Newbies CAN Succeed and the Successful Should NOT Feel Guilty

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There was another thread that was recently posted asking if gurus teach what they teach because their methods have been "bled dry".

While I do not necessarily like the term "guru", nor do I ever refer to myself as that, I assume that you are talking about people like me that teach marketing lessons for a living and I feel the need to respond, but I also feel that my post warrants a new thread, instead of being lumped in with the negativity of that other Warrior's post.

I have been in the business of marketing since 1991. I have successfully marketed wars, auction sites, TV shows, poker, magazines, sports, concerts, and medical equipment. None of those things gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. It wasn't until I started teaching others how to better their business that I started getting that feeling.

It is really amazing when I open an email and read a story about how somebody's sales have increased due to one of my courses. Every so often, I get an email about how my teachings have turned around lives. Houses are no longer being foreclosed on, unemployment checks are no longer needed, and families are able to take vacations. I never opened any emails like that when I was promoting any of those other things.

I am a marketer and a salesman. I can sell ice to an Eskimo. It is what I do. I could be successful marketing any number of things, but I choose to market products that will help other marketers succeed in business, no matter what their business is.

I teach tried and true methods of making money online and off.

I didn't invent marketing, nor are my tactics much different than any other successful plans. I just teach them in way that has a great success rate amongst my students.

If anybody thinks that I do what I do because my tactics have been "bled dry", that is just somebody looking for an excuse to fail.

Surely, I am not the only one that feels this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author RockinBosslady
    I read the other thread and as a noob, I appreciate the other side of the story.
    I also see that the internet is in constant change. How can these methods be bled dry when things are evolving? I read somewhere that the tipping point for smart phones just happened in January. So now we all have to find ways to market on mobile phones and through apps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joyful Thiek
    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

    If anybody thinks that I do what I do because my tactics have been "bled dry", that is just somebody looking for an excuse to fail.
    You said it Brian. I couldn't agree more.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

    There was another thread that was recently posted asking if gurus teach what they teach because their methods have been "bled dry".
    I didn't see that thread but I've seen those sentiments many times here - it's the normal reaction of someone who is failing and looking for reasons outside themselves.

    The question itself is loaded and represents a mindset which is probably largely the reason they're struggling in the first place.

    Successful people don't look for what's not working.
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    • Profile picture of the author Racquel_McFarlane07
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      I think sentiments like that come from a feeling of being on the outside and needing someone to blame. As long as you're providing value and assistance to those that appreciate it, that's all that matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

    There was another thread that was recently posted asking if gurus teach what they teach because their methods have been "bled dry".
    Many gurus discover that a product is outdated, and sell PLR to it because they don't want to update the approach themselves.

    Sometimes the people who bought the PLR proceed to sell it unmodified, and the people who buy it see the guru's name all over it.

    And they go "dammit, that guru sold me outdated info."

    But what really happened was that he was searching for the cheapest product you could get, and amazingly the cheapest product was a piece of crap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ash R
    The trick to making any method work is to apply it. And if you're successful with it, don't feel guilty.

    When I was a newbie, I did buy a bunch of things that were outdated. In that, they left out some critical bits of information. But I managed to uncover the information by poking around on forums and such.

    I also agree with CDarklock that some products being sold out there really are outdated. Especially if they are just rehashed, or PLR with a shiny new cover.

    But generally, if it's a product with great reviews that's not the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    I think people hate gurus because they hide behind a wall (or computer screen) i.e. keyboard warriors. And that wall allows them to be bolder and more hypey than they would be in person. In person, they might be like "Aww shucks, if you can't afford this, then you shouldn't buy it.".

    In emails or salesletters, they are the complete opposite. Most likely pushing products on people that are already bled dry. Offering payment plans for people on a $2K product. If people can't afford $2K for a product, they shouldn't buy it. A friggin payment plan? It's not a car.

    Personally, I'm sure the gurus are allright. I'm not naive/gullible so I don't get sold on stuff that I don't need. And if marketers want to try and sell me products with unconditional guarantees (as a sales tool), then I'll refund their a*s if I think the product didn't live up to the hype. But I still roll my eyes at the "Oh, I just want to help you guys". haha. BS!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Dave Rodman View Post

      Offering payment plans for people on a $2K product. If people can't afford $2K for a product, they shouldn't buy it. A friggin payment plan? It's not a car.
      You mean like colleges do? Oh wait, when you enroll in college or a trade school, you do get to make payments. Why should a pricey online course be any different?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jerry Roberts
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        You mean like colleges do? Oh wait, when you enroll in college or a trade school, you do get to make payments. Why should a pricey online course be any different?
        I agree. Payments = affordability; affordability = greater participation.

        Payments are necessary when you get past a few hundred dollars. The only negative is when the marketer lays a huge premium on the buyer for exercising a three-pay or four-pay option. I've seen it as high as 25%, running a $2K program to $2,500. That's a $500 hit for three months of financing, or, essentially, 100% APR.

        I understand the mafia is embarrassed and is now taking Internet marketing courses.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Dave Rodman View Post

      I think people hate gurus because they hide behind a wall (or computer screen) i.e. keyboard warriors. And that wall allows them to be bolder and more hypey than they would be in person. In person, they might be like "Aww shucks, if you can't afford this, then you shouldn't buy it.".
      Actually (other than saying "Aw shucks", which you won't catch me saying, but you might get the Hillbilly Marketer saying it) that's exactly what I've told many of my members when they ask me if they "need" one of my latest products. And then, they still go out and buy it.

      And, I know a lot of other marketers in this field who also actually care about their customers (yes, not all, that's for sure, but there are quite a few). Myself, I'm a teacher at heart, so I do care about people actually learning and progressing, and people like Brian, and others, do too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

    If anybody thinks that I do what I do because my tactics have been "bled dry", that is just somebody looking for an excuse to fail.
    Word! Great post and this really sums up the whole "gurus are cheating us" BS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Newbies CAN Succeed and the Successful Should NOT Feel Guilty
    Brian, This was the only way I could Thank you twice for the post!

    I also teach because it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and I also enjoy it!

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author jan roos
    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

    There was another thread that was recently posted asking if gurus teach what they teach because their methods have been "bled dry".

    While I do not necessarily like the term "guru", nor do I ever refer to myself as that, I assume that you are talking about people like me that teach marketing lessons for a living and I feel the need to respond, but I also feel that my post warrants a new thread, instead of being lumped in with the negativity of that other Warrior's post.

    I have been in the business of marketing since 1991. I have successfully marketed wars, auction sites, TV shows, poker, magazines, sports, concerts, and medical equipment. None of those things gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. It wasn't until I started teaching others how to better their business that I started getting that feeling.

    It is really amazing when I open an email and read a story about how somebody's sales have increased due to one of my courses. Every so often, I get an email about how my teachings have turned around lives. Houses are no longer being foreclosed on, unemployment checks are no longer needed, and families are able to take vacations. I never opened any emails like that when I was promoting any of those other things.

    I am a marketer and a salesman. I can sell ice to an Eskimo. It is what I do. I could be successful marketing any number of things, but I choose to market products that will help other marketers succeed in business, no matter what their business is.

    I teach tried and true methods of making money online and off.

    I didn't invent marketing, nor are my tactics much different than any other successful plans. I just teach them in way that has a great success rate amongst my students.

    If anybody thinks that I do what I do because my tactics have been "bled dry", that is just somebody looking for an excuse to fail.

    Surely, I am not the only one that feels this way.
    Good post Brian, I feel the same way and am getting really tired of all the guru bashing going around here lately.

    Cheers
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