So This Babe Walks Into A Bar...

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I had this customer of mine from 3 years ago contact me recently.
He said he had got a blueprint ebook I wrote years ago and that
it made him get serious about making money online, etc etc

He went on to say that he basically wanted to step it up and
really start bringing in the cash big time...

He then mentioned how much money he's making (almost six figures).

So, I responded and asked him how he's currently making that money.
(I was thinking, if it's an info product, to add in upsells, high ticket, etc)

He just replied and he said:

"I just did what you said I created a squeeze page and put my
work into traffic conversions managing the subsribers"

So, this guy has no product (I dont think). Is not running
around like a chicken with his head cut off, bouncing from
one scheme to the next to the next.

He's not focused on 1,000 different things. Just one. His list.
And is making near six figures per year.

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Step One: Find a niche market where you can sell lots
and lots of different things to the same customers.

Step Two: Go to ezine articles or elsewhere and find
killer articles on your niche. contact the article authors
and ask if you can use their article in a free PDF you give away.
(you can also embed videos in the PDF too).

--BTW-- I dont even ask, I just copy and paste. but, ask
to play it safe.

Step Three: Copy and paste all those articles into a
document (include the links and resource box of course)
and turn the doc into a PDF.

Step Four: Craft a squeeze page that gives away that
free PDF. (this will be an ongoing tweaking process to get
the conversions up higher on opt in rate)

Step Five: Find affiliate offers for your niche and sign up
as an affiliate.

Step Six: Set up 10 to 50 auto-responder emails ahead of
time. Some of the emails need to give free tips and info and
some need to pitch (just sell baby)
(this too will be an ongoing tweaking process)

Step Seven: Drive traffic (this will be an ongoing tweaking
process as well)

If you spend 95% of your time focused on the above steps,
you will make six figures. If you never quit and stay focused
on this through thick and thin... never quit... keep tweaking
and improving, you'll make six figures... GUARANTEED!

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Traffic: Find sites in your niche that get good traffic and offer
advertising. Contact them for their rate card. Negotiate their
fees. Run a test run with a banner or text ad or solo ad, whatever.

Start small. Grow from there. End of game, you win.

Traffic: Paid traffic, start small, grow from there. PPC, CPV, solo
ads, etc.

Once you have 1,000 subscribers (not set in stone of course, could
be less)... reach out to other sites that have a list and strike a list
swap. I'll send you 300 clicks if you send me 300 clicks. Wash and
repeat.

Eventually, you'll have a list of 5,000+ subscribers. From there it
snowballs and you'll look back and say..."why the heck doesn't everyone
do this? why do they make it so hard on themselves?"

Then, you'll realize... "Oh, most people dance around, bounce around,
from one thing to the other... and are chasing 1,000 different things,
instead of focusing in on one".

Wow! build a list! automated income. Epic Genius.

~Honey Badger
#babe #bar #walks
  • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
    It almost sounds TOO easy.

    Good for him, though. It just goes to show that patience and persistence are the key ingredients.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

      It almost sounds TOO easy.

      Good for him, though. It just goes to show that patience and persistence are the key ingredients.
      Too true.

      Patience. Perseverance/Persistence.

      Key ingredients to success as an entrepreneur.
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      • Profile picture of the author tankeroo
        We're always so busy chasing the next latest, greatest, newest techniques, we never bother to do the simple, easy and often FREE stuff, lol! It's so true. We just have to stop chasing the elusive pot of gold, and let it come to us!
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigRC
    The fundamentals never go out of style...they just get pushed to the back of the room by the new shiny objects everyone gloms on.

    This business is very simple, for all the reasons you mentioned. It doesn't have to be complicated.

    For me the first six-figure year was the hardest, so much wasted time on nonsense and bouncing from program to program...But once the breakthrough happened it was simply repetition and scaling past that point.

    Good post E.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    so ... what about the babe who walked into a bar?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    Funny thing is... I know some people who have tried things like this. Guess what. It doesn't work. It does depend on the market or niche in the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      so ... what about the babe who walked into a bar?
      I was certain this thread was about me.
      Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

      Well, that would be you, Suzanne...
      But I could be wrong...

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Eric...I still wanna have your baby
      Wait! I want a bid in on this too
      Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

      baby wags?
      I was about to quote Kay too and I just lost it, lol.
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    ~Honey Badger
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    need some extra words to meet minimum post word count.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Eric...I still wanna have your baby
      Originally Posted by Sarah Harvey View Post

      Funny thing is... I know some people who have tried things like this. Guess what. It doesn't work.
      Call me crazy, but when I read Sarah's comment, I thought it referred to Steven's

      All success
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      ???



      Christopher, a honey badger is a ferocious animal that never gives up and isn't afraid of tangling with deadly animals many times its size - I saw a show about it on the Animal Planet, and I'd be afraid to go anywhere within 10 feet of it, even though it's about the size of your average tiny dog. I think Eric's alluding to the fact that he's a honey badger.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Christopher, a honey badger is a ferocious animal that never gives up and isn't afraid of tangling with deadly animals many times its size - I saw a show about it on the Animal Planet, and I'd be afraid to go anywhere within 10 feet of it, even though it's about the size of your average tiny dog. I think Eric's alluding to the fact that he's a honey badger.

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        They like bacon and will follow you like a puppy for their daily treat. uh....

        There's a lesson in there somewhere.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          They like bacon and will follow you like a puppy for their daily treat. uh....

          There's a lesson in there somewhere.
          Uh...so, are you implying that Eric likes bacon and will follow you around like a puppy for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Do yourself a favor and get on one of Eric's lists. Study how his emails read, how they flow, how they transition from content to offer pitch. He's too modest to toot his own horn, but it's genius. I would add that to his list above... because the difference between making a modest income from a big list and making a big income from a modest list is all in how you craft your messages to your subscribers.

    He doesn't know it, but I learned more studying Eric's emails than from any other source when it comes to list communication and marketing savvy. I started implementing a couple of the tactics he uses and whatta ya know... I started converting more readers into buyers and getting fewer unsubscribers.

    Listen to the man when he talks about this subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Do yourself a favor and get on one of Eric's lists. Study how his emails read, how they flow, how they transition from content to offer pitch. He's too modest to toot his own horn, but it's genius. I would add that to his list above... because the difference between making a modest income from a big list and making a big income from a modest list is all in how you craft your messages to your subscribers.

      He doesn't know it, but I learned more studying Eric's emails than from any other source when it comes to list communication and marketing savvy. I started implementing a couple of the tactics he uses and whatta ya know... I started converting more readers into buyers and getting fewer unsubscribers.

      Listen to the man when he talks about this subject.
      Yeah, What John Says!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    From Wikipedia as of this morning...

    Honey badgers don't care, honey badgers don't give a [censored].[2]
    Footnote [2] leads to this YouTube video:


    Eric... I shall see you anon.
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  • Hmmmm.........Old Dog+Honey Badger=New Tricks..... "BRILLIANT" I get it!!!

    Thanks Eric!

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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    The thread title is the main reason I read this. Your buddy is very persistent on sticking to one strategy. This is what I have been doing for awhile, and the list is really the secret to make money online consistently.
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  • Profile picture of the author fanimal
    Yeah the title reminds me of the gossip sites, but the content in this one seems more interesting
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      haha, you guys bit on the "honey badger" fame. That little booger is a terror. My partners and I have an ongoing joke type thing with the "honey badger" going.. it came for the video of the guy saying "Honey badger does not give a chit"... (the one Cali posted above).

      Basically, the short form of the story was I told my partner Bill McIntosh that he has the biggest "killer instinct" out of anyone I've ever met. (no wonder he makes a fortune in business). He goes for what he wants and shoots big. He does not let anything get in the way. That's admirable and I dont hand out props like that easily.

      I said, "You're a freaking honey badger man... you dont give a chit. You are vigilant". lol

      Honey Badgers rule.

      ~Eric
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Your traffic plan has to be on point otherwise you'll burn through your cash like crazy. This goes for PPC as well as adswaps. But once you find that sweet spot in advertising spending, you will be able to scale up tremendously.
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  • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
    Awesome post, thanks for sharing your experience with us! Let's build a list!

    Thanks again Mr Louviere
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    Such great advice that's spoiled by something so horrible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Originally Posted by aiaiai View Post

    Is this a sticky? If not, why? Answers pretty much all newbie questions in less than 5 minutes.

    Really, especially the title is just pure gold.
    Glad you dug this one back up. Eric should be a sticky post.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by aiaiai View Post

    Is this a sticky? If not, why? Answers pretty much all newbie questions in less than 5 minutes.
    Makes me want to click his sig and buy the same product our mystery $100k man bought.

    The thread is sig spam. The story is fictitious. It's a creative way of saying "Don't have any skills? Don't even want to create a product? Well I have a bizop just for you!" Since the mods quickly remove obvious spam, sellers come up with these style threads instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      Makes me want to click his sig and buy the same product our mystery $100k man bought.

      The thread is sig spam. The story is fictitious. It's a creative way of saying "Don't have any skills? Don't even want to create a product? Well I have a bizop just for you!" Since the mods quickly remove obvious spam, sellers come up with these style threads instead.
      You're saying I'm spamming? That's funny right there. Idiotic more like it... What would a thread get... about 200 to 600 views or so... You're talking about 10 clicks or so. A Squeeze Page converts well if it's converting at 35% and we're talking 3 subscribers maybe?

      Add in that those 3 subscribers are "WF visitors" (like you!) and I can pretty much promise you that I could care less about *that* traffic. lol. Are you serious? And yes, true story and I've happened to have helped a few people over the years.

      Get a clue troll, change the way you see the world, change the way you filter your world, change the way you think, and maybe you will become happy... or even successful... some day... to the point where you can even use your real name, instead of: DubDubDubDot which I think is just short for "troll"... (or idiot, not sure which yet)

      ~Eric
      PS - BTW, my next product is going to be called "TROLL CRUSHER"... coming soon to a Best Buy near you.
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      • Profile picture of the author GuyDon
        Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

        You're saying I'm spamming? That's funny right there. Idiotic more like it... What would a thread get... about 200 to 600 views or so... You're talking about 10 clicks or so. A Squeeze Page converts well if it's converting at 35% and we're talking 3 subscribers maybe?

        Add in that those 3 subscribers are "WF visitors" (like you!) and I can pretty much promise you that I could care less about *that* traffic. lol. Are you serious? And yes, true story and I've happened to have helped a few people over the years.

        Get a clue troll, change the way you see the world, change the way you filter your world, change the way you think, and maybe you will become happy... or even successful... some day... to the point where you can even use your real name, instead of: DubDubDubDot which I think is just short for "troll"... (or idiot, not sure which yet)

        ~Eric
        PS - BTW, my next product is going to be called "TROLL CRUSHER"... coming soon to a Best Buy near you.
        A big LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

        You're saying I'm spamming? That's funny right there. Idiotic more like it...
        You have a long history of creating self promotional threads and have had more than a few shut down by mods.

        The threads are always very similar. You go for the inspirational angle and drill it home that people can make six or seven figures per year by selling info products online. These pep talks often include bashing other perfectly sound methods as being a waste of time. So the connection between the threads and your bizops on how to sell info products is pretty obvious to anyone who's been around the block once or twice.

        But hey, me, the idiot troll and the mods who shut the threads down are just haters. Right?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
          @ Dub

          In the spirit of successful entrepreneurship, you should take a look at this.
          Ignore The Minions!


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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          You have a long history of creating self promotional threads and have had more than a few shut down by mods.

          The threads are always very similar. You go for the inspirational angle and drill it home that people can make six or seven figures per year by selling info products online. These pep talks often include bashing other perfectly sound methods as being a waste of time. So the connection between the threads and your bizops on how to sell info products is pretty obvious to anyone who's been around the block once or twice.

          But hey, me, the idiot troll and the mods who shut the threads down are just haters. Right?

          So I guess no one is allowed to post worthwhile stuff by your standards...

          Eric has done far more and provided far more information to this forum than you ever have so put all that negative energy into something useful instead of jumping on people's threads complaining that it just isn't fair.

          What's stopping you from providing solid information and creating your own reputation? Because I tell you, the only reputation you're building here is a negative one. (Not good)

          Good call Sue...
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          • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
            Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

            So I guess no one is allowed to post worthwhile stuff by your standards...
            I don't consider fictitious stories backed by theoretical ways for total newbies to make six or seven figures online to be worthwhile. They serve only to rile up newbies and get them to do things that are not in their own best interest.

            We are all familiar with the term "build a relationship" in sales. Unfortunately there exists a group of people within the bizop game who have taken this concept and twisted it into something called a confidence trick.

            Confidence trick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            On every major forum where there are newbies, there are threads posted that act as relationship building confidence tricks. It is very unfortunate that the creators of the threads are often regarded as esteemed members of the community, when in reality they are playing the community like a harp.

            I think many people recognize who they are, but say nothing. They need to be stomped out for the health of the community.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
              Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

              I don't consider fictitious stories backed by theoretical ways for total newbies to make six or seven figures online to be worthwhile. They serve only to rile up newbies and get them to do things that are not in their own best interest.

              We are all familiar with the term "build a relationship" in sales. Unfortunately there exists a group of people within the bizop game who have taken this concept and twisted it into something called a confidence trick.

              Confidence trick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              On every major forum where there are newbies, there are threads posted that act as relationship building confidence tricks. It is very unfortunate that the creators of the threads are often regarded as esteemed members of the community, when in reality they are playing the community like a harp.

              I think many people recognize who they are, but say nothing. They need to be stomped out for the health of the community.

              What is wrong with an entertaining story to drive home a point or valuable lesson? You need to put down the conspiracy theory books and take note of maybe Eric's actually contributing in a positive manner for the greater good of the community. Now there's an idea!

              If a person isn't allowed to share their knowledge in an entertaining way then what's the point of a discussion forum? Oh yeah so people can gripe, moan and complain all day long.

              Answer me this... If by your standards people aren't able to share knowledge that they know just because they are in that particular market what do you suppose is a good alternative? People are quick to slam others but never have a solution.

              If a person shares his knowledge, tips, experiences, etc. then they deserve the recognition of a job well done.
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              • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

                Answer me this... If by your standards people aren't able to share knowledge that they know just because they are in that particular market what do you suppose is a good alternative?
                I'm not suggesting that people don't share knowledge on forums.

                The alarming issue is the number of people that post to business forums for the sole purpose of promoting themselves at the expense of the flow of genuine information on the forum.

                When you introduce profit motives to everyday discussion, those discussions are a race to the bottom. Shared knowledge shifts from being legitimate towards instead being fictitious and part of an overall marketing plan by the poster to increase his professional visibility.

                And no, this stuff isn't just a conspiracy theory as you'd like to believe. It's happening, and people who've been treading water for years need to start learning how to spot it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brenny76065
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      Makes me want to click his sig and buy the same product our mystery $100k man bought.

      The thread is sig spam. The story is fictitious. It's a creative way of saying "Don't have any skills? Don't even want to create a product? Well I have a bizop just for you!" Since the mods quickly remove obvious spam, sellers come up with these style threads instead.


      Dude,

      You obviously don't know who Eric Louviere is. Eric does not need to resort to sig spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The thread is sig spam.
      Eric Louviere is personally and directly responsible for making me over $10,000.

      There are precisely two other people in this industry who have ever done that - Mike Carraway and Jenn Dize - so I will continue to pay attention to his advice while you piss and moan about spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author gator30
    There's no magic in making money online. No secret other people know that you don't. It just comes down to putting down the reading material, picking up your laptop and begin grinding on ONE strategy. Great post mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Good Work Honey Badger...

    You always have good things to say in a manner in which even the SLOW people can understand! LOL
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    but where was the baby?
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffnotjeff
    Great post, i love the idea behind this, and love the idea of stiking with what you are doing instead of chasing dragons.

    Eric, how would i go about getting on your mailing list?
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  • Going back to the basics of Internet Marketing will always work. List building is one of those basics.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    I wanted to see a joke but ended up watching the above honey badger video?
    >.<
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  • Profile picture of the author shazyaar
    Thanks Eric great post .Money is in the list all top internet marketer have 1 thing common they have big list of subscriber and they have good relation with subscriber.
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  • Profile picture of the author markwilson4074
    Money is IN the list...

    This is the easiest IM model one can follow (with patience and consistency) to get wonderful results in relatively less time.

    Plenty of fish for hunting.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Hey Eric

    Great post! I am going to confess I suffered from years from shiny object syndrome - but they shiny objects were my 'cool ideas' rather than tempting WSOs. Now I am focusing on exactly what you said. A full time job, a long commute and a baby have forced me to consider how I use the minimal free time to maximum effect. Paid traffic and squeeze pages can be setup with very little time input from me so it seems the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    great post, even if you go back to the early 1900's marketing and doing well and has always done well by...

    Creating a customer lists, and sellilng stuff to them...

    I do not expect that to change, and I do not know why newbies go looking for the next thing!! Aint gunna happen.

    Stick to the fundamentals baby...yeah.

    Great post eric lad.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
    Great Post with some great info and tips. shows how complicated we can make things for are selfs sometimes
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  • Profile picture of the author Dazzling Content
    Awesome info! The money is really in the list!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler S
    This is the best post I have read in a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author UNOWN
    haha..i don't know about this. Sounds way too easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author neck2neck
    Great post and tips! The best advice is not to quit. Keep hammering away till you get it right.
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