Start from scratch: Tools, Method, Madness -- your comments welcome

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OK, here's the puzzle. I have $3000-$5000 in capital to play with. I would like 1 to 5 sites to generate monthly income of US$3000 or more per month. I can spend 5 to 10 hours per week on this project (after initial set-up).

I have already invested in the following tools:
1. Market Samurai: great product, but latest issues are troubling (alternatives?)
2. SENukeX: amazed at how great this is...
3. Scrapebox: getting the hang of this, but potentially great.

The $3-5K should cover:
A. Hosting and registration of new sites
B. Cost of tools
C. Any outsourcing
D. Creation of sites (Can do on my own with Wordpress, but prefer not to).

For a steady income stream, what do you suggest? Amazon? Ebay? Clickbank? All of above? For Amazon, what is a good average sale amount to target?

For the niche, about how many exact searches per day should I look for to reach the goal (combined keywords for all sites)? 1K searches? 3K?

How long do you think this will take to reach goal assuming daily nuke and scrapebox? 6 months? 3 months?

Chance of being sandboxed?

Thanks for all in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Dybka
    Originally Posted by DSGChina View Post

    OK, here's the puzzle. I have $3000-$5000 in capital to play with. I would like 1 to 5 sites to generate monthly income of US$3000 or more per month. I can spend 5 to 10 hours per week on this project (after initial set-up).

    I have already invested in the following tools:
    1. Market Samurai: great product, but latest issues are troubling (alternatives?)
    2. SENukeX: amazed at how great this is...
    3. Scrapebox: getting the hang of this, but potentially great.

    The $3-5K should cover:
    A. Hosting and registration of new sites
    B. Cost of tools
    C. Any outsourcing
    D. Creation of sites (Can do on my own with Wordpress, but prefer not to).

    For a steady income stream, what do you suggest? Amazon? Ebay? Clickbank? All of above? For Amazon, what is a good average sale amount to target?

    For the niche, about how many exact searches per day should I look for to reach the goal (combined keywords for all sites)? 1K searches? 3K?

    How long do you think this will take to reach goal assuming daily nuke and scrapebox? 6 months? 3 months?

    Chance of being sandboxed?

    Thanks for all in advance.
    I would think for 3 to 5k a month your looking at years not months,for a brand new site to gain any respect in Google it will take a while,if you shoot hundreds of links to that new site with senuke your chances of being sandboxed are very high.
    For those kind of numbers I would focus on building a few authority sites and post lots of content to them,at least 3 to 5 posts a day for a few months and then lighten it out to 1 or 2 a day.
    Keep the backlinks slow and steady until the site matures then push it up.
    I would go with Adsense for these types of sites over Amazon or Clickbank.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
      Interesting... I was under the impression that Amazon / Clickbank drove the most in revenue/profit in the shortest amount of time.

      Adsense based model means you have to achieve big numbers in terms of visits to make a reasonable amount, yes?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
      Hey DSGchina.

      Have you ever done any IM before? The reason i am asking is because i really don't think what you want to do is going to be feasible. I may be wrong because i have seen extreme things happen but that's what it would have to be if you accomplished this. An extreme thing.

      Now you can easily generate $3,000+ with 1-5 sites but not:

      -only working 5-10 hours a week
      -in any time less than a year

      The $5000 capital, I believe is irrelevant. You can build the type of sites you are going for for less than $500. I understand you want to outsource your time consuming work but your almost going to be outsourcing every aspect of your sites. Just to build 5 authority sites it would cost way over $5000.

      The problem is going to boil down to this. if 1-5 sites are going to produce $3000+ They are going to need to be some sort of authority sites that bring in over 1000 views a day. To get to this number of views you need to put in a lot of hours not only building the sites but maintaining them with content and back links. Even with this it will take over a year at least to start to rank enough on google (im assuming you are looking for organic searches) to bring in the kind of traffic you need.

      As for your affiliate companies. I think it will largely depend on the niche your sites will be in.

      Im sorry if i come off genitive but i feel like this is the reality of things.

      If some one out there knows how DSGchina's goal could be accomplished that is awesome and please let me in on the secret.

      I would personally build several small micro niche sites. You could rank top 10 if you select your keywords right with about 20,000 or less allintitle searches a month for that keyword. Make 3 to 5hundred dollars a site and just build 2 a week. it is difficult to do this but there are many products that can teach you all you need to know about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
    Thanks Adam.

    6 months is aggressive. 1 - 2 years is more realistic I guess. I have another home run play, but I need some steady income to cover the costs of the home-run play moving forward.

    I guess my question was not "make 3grand instantly!" more of "what's the best way to build a steady income stream", first $500/mo., then 1K, 2K, etc.

    I know how difficult it is to make $$ off of Adsense and I hadn't tried the affiliates route before. I wanted to know if that had higher upside vs. the Adsense play.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
      Affiliate vs adsense is going to end up being what works best for you. I do both personally. Depending on the market, niche, site, and other things. Free organic traffic is great. No risk and consistent. downside is the time it takes to get it and the amount of work you must put in. With adsense you can boost your traffic like crazy but if you don't know what your doing you take a great risk of loosing money.

      If your just starting out trying to generate a steady income i suggest trying the affiliate rout. Like i said before you might want to take a look at building small affiliate sites. its a great starter.

      With a large affiliate site you will spend a year (at least) building it up to the point it monetizes. with much work. When it starts to rank though you will be bringing in enough traffic for 1 site to bring in $1000+ easy due to the high volume keywords you can target.

      With small sub niche affiliate sites you can get them to rank for a long tail keyword within a month with the right SEO. it dose not take much to build them. The downside is with a long tail keyword your traffic will be much less so each site will generate less income ($100-$300 month) usually. Make sure you have a market and the keyword your building your sites on is not overly saturated and you can make good money with 20+ sites. My team can put up about 5-6 sites a week. I could do at least 2.

      Hope this maybe gives you some ideas.
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      • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
        Thanks Adam. I've got some ideas on two or three niche sites. One has low competition (about 60K-70K allintitle) and total searches on a collection of search terms would be about 700/day. Where's the line drawn between "sub niche" and and the larger "niche" Is a collection of search terms that get searched 700 - 1000 times per day enough?
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
          What your looking at sounds good. You have fund the sweet spot between larger and microsites. This way you can build the site and get it to rank in just a few monthes but still have good traffic. The one problem I see though is your looking to target multiple key words and trying to add all the searches together. You should realy look at a main keyword you want to target and judge the search strength from that one keyword. You still also want to optimize your site with your other keywords also but keep in mind you may not rank on page one for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
            In my honest opinion, I believe you should focus on ONE site and get it to where you want it. Online marketing is not an overnight get rich quick scheme. You need a minimum of 12 months to really establish yourself. Throwing a heap of money at something can be a waste. Save it for the essentials as you can get a lot of things for free anyway.

            Be very wary of information overload as that can do your head in. If you are trying to run 5 sites at the same time, you will need lots of hours as you're new to it all and each site will suffer as you won't be able to give it your full attention.

            If you're in a rush for money, a bricks and mortar job would be better for you. Online businesses are more of a long term prospect.

            I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do.
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            • I recommend you set up two Wordpress business blogs in two lucrative niches, and then hire some writers at Elance to write all the content on both for the first year.

              Then add your own content to both business blogs along with the writers you have hired. That kind of content will grow your blogs out of the gate and Google will soon trust the domains.

              Then just keep on keeping on until you are making some good income.

              However, I will be honest with you. Usually, to make $3000-$5000 a month you will have to have a business blog in a very lucrative market which requires many good posts a week for at least a year or more. Sure, some will claim there are exceptions if you are using linking tools and other SEO tools, but by and large, your growth will be gradual just the same.

              An example would be one of my own business blogs that is for loans in the United States. It was launched in November 2008 and still only makes between $2000-$2300 a month now. It has allot of content and some strong inbound links from newspaper sites (L.A. Times) and Fox News etc. and it's still a very slow growth upwards.

              Of course we have over a dozen other blogs that are not doing that well, so it is a good idea to have a few business blogs in action over time.

              Patience and a love for writing is critical in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
    Great, thanks to all for the advice. I believe I have two good niches to start our from, both of which I have a lot of knowledge in.

    Regarding brick & mortar, I'm not in a situation where I can do that right now. I have a very big project which takes 90% of my time. Unfortunately, it's a slow burn type of investment/project (thankfully with high upside). The great thing is that anything I learn from these new niche sites can be leveraged in the big project and vice versa.

    Turnkey, what's your revenue stream on the blog that's generating $2K? Adsense, or Clickbank/Amazon?
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