Intelligence of an internet marketer.

well, I think with the correct mindset, perseverance and action .. is the key to success in this business.

Hi:

Shireen here :-)

I'm running an eBay training course in the regular basis. From my observations, those who make it normally have:

1) strong determination

2) consistency

They might not be the smartest student in my eBay class...

Which IM'ers? The ones that do article marketing or "list building" or the real ones that seek out innovative and creative solutions.

In every sector of biz there is the dumb section and the smart section.

I have to disagree because you are asking about social status. I will rephrase your question: would you agree that CEO is better person than for example IT specialist from the same company? I think no. It is stupid to think that you are better person if your social status is higher.

Social status shows how you are good in your field you are working, not in life. You can be bad person and have social status, do your daily job just perfect and you can be person who works with African Childs and spend all life to help other people.

Since internet markets are also humans I think this is not criteria to determine if the person is good or no.

I sold one product in ebay to dentist; well his social status is higher because I am a simple sales person if looking from most people eyes, so I had so many problems because he thinks that I am lower than he is. I explained the situation before he bought, offered free return and he still not happy.

Higher intelligence person is not determined by position represented in life. It represents how you act with yourself and treat others.

There are lots of poor clever people. There are lots of people with average intelligence who are rich.

I can think of several (unnamed) examples to prove income and intelligence or education are not necessarily correlated. In fact, intelligence as it's usually defined often hinders business success.

It's like the tale of the rabbit and the fox...

The rabbit and the fox were discussing how each got away from the hunter and his dogs.

The rabbit admitted that he only had one way to get away - to run as fast and as far as he could, like a scared rabbit.

The fox bragged that he had many ways to get away. He could run along the fence, climb a tree, cover his scent in the creek, and more...

One day, the hunter and his dogs showed up while the two were talking. The rabbit did what he did best - ran like a scared rabbit. The fox hesitated, wondering if he should run along the fence, cover his scent in the creek or...

You can guess the outcome. The fox ended up as an ornament on the hunter's wife's coat.

Many "less intelligent" marketers will find one thing they can do well, and they stick with it.

Many "more intelligent" marketers will accumulate tools and jump from one thing to another. Or they'll spend so much time trying to figure out the best way to do something they end up doing nothing.

I think that would depend on how you would define "internet marketer".

I know that there are 2 main types of "internet marketers" - those who lean on the push button, guru software, biz opp crap, and those who are actually willing to put in the time and effort necessary to learn everything to set up a business correctly!

Just my 2c,

Dean

You can't generalize intelligence. Some people do poorly at IM and are doctors or engineers. I would believe that some people get into IM because they are insufficient at another means of making money.

Are you aware that people within any set group talk about the same thing. For example, go to any AA meeting and someone will mention that alcoholics are generally more intelligent than the average person. When in reality, there is nothing that separates an alcoholics intelligence from the intelligence of an Internet marketer. I'm sorry but, neither have to do with intelligence. The reason I bring up AA, is to illustrate the absurd nature of these sorts of generalizations.

I live with a neuro-scientist and and a statistician who both have high level positions at Johns Hopkins, and they never talk about how mathematicians are a cut above anyone else. It seems to me, that people who tend to be more concerned about their own intelligence are the ones who think certain groups in which they are involved, tend to contain only people of a higher intelligence.

I agree with what most people say, and that it has more to do with your determination and motivation to succeed, and that goes for about any business.

You do have to be smart I think but it is not a total requirement. There are dumb people who get lucky and smart people who aren't willing to do what it takes to succeed.

Well, i am pretty new new in IM, but one thing is becoming increasingly clear: resilience is a must!

I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence.
Internet marketers (good ones) tend to have a higher level of knowledge of what they need to do, as well as everything around them in the field.
Where as 9-5 workers (depending on the field) tend to have a knowledge of just what they need to do.

The reason for this is that internet marketers are doing their work and running their business. If they are any good of course they are going ot read ALOT more about differfent things in their field and different ways to market. Not to mention they will be more willing to try different things and see the results since they are not worried about being fired.

9-5 workers (the average guy) USUALLY only has to worry about doing their part towards the much larger company. They don't have to understand why what they are doing works, they don't have to worry about what the competition is doing, they just have to do what their boss or manager told them to do so they will read less about their field and will not be as creative.

Please remember that this is a comparison between the AVERAGE 9 to 5 worker and an internet marketer. Obviously it depends on what position you hold, what field you are in, and how interested in the field you are in order to determine how involved you will be.

Basically what I am saying is that it's not about being smarter, internet marketers just have a need to be more creative and learn more about what they are doing because it directly affects the amount of money they will make.

In all honestly, probably yes. Not because it is rocket science or anything, but they have to have the mindset to first of all try it, and then stick at it when they most likely won't see any real results for a number of months. Perseverance and the ability to stick with something because you know it will work even though you are not seeing results at that time, is not something a lot of people have. That takes a special mindset and person in my opinion.

NO. I think that most people who are into internet marketing and have become successful at it have just gained certain learned skill sets that actually anyone can learn.

The difference is that someone who has become successful and someone who is just "average" is that most "average" people haven't taken the time to get into this particular type of business. It really has nothing to do with being more intelligent or not.

I don't think IMers need to have a higher IQ than normal, no more than people in the tech industry need to.

I am going to college for network engineering and there is a kid in my class who was in business, but switched his major to network engineering. Let me just say he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but come midterms he gets REALLY good grades. I was curious about his methods and one time I did some homework with him (like an hour before the class started :-P) I got all the information I needed because after skimming the chapter I got the jist of it, enough to do my part of the homework (well, more like half-ass it, I don't have much motivation). He got stuck doing his part though, he couldn't really figure it out and I only had a tentative grasp of it so I couldn't explain it to him (I can't do math that well). He told me to go to class and he would give me his half of the work when he was finished with it.

He comes into class Half an hour late. But with most of the correct answers. In that class for the mid-term he got a 100. Not only the highest grade in the class but almost a grade above everybody else (us tech majors tend to procrastinate and not study much). He succeeded by constantly reading and re-reading every bit of information until he understood it, which might have taken a little bit longer for him, but in the end he did better than the kids who knew it front and back but couldn't be bothered to study.

In all honesty I would think he has an average IQ if not a tab below average, but if I had a company, I would hire him in a second due to his dedication.

Intelligence has less to do with it than you'd think.

In fact, a lot of times, intelligence gets in the way of productivity. Too much time gets spent analyzing, or trying to find better ways to accomplish something. I'm guilty of this myself.

So busy trying to find the best way to do something, while my "dumber" competition just gets out there and does it, no matter how unrefined and messy... they just put their nose to the ground and start hustling..

THAT is generally what pays off.

When you possess the ability to do that, AND you're intelligent... well then you've got the world by the balls.


Watch these:


Specifically the end of part 2. Last 4 minutes or so... But I highly suggest watching the whole thing.

I think anyone that is successful needs to be of higher intelligence than the average person.

Yes, I'm sure that the successful internet marketer which your example seems to portray is more intelligent than the average person.

I could give examples of why all day but to keep it simple, just the fact that the successful IMer has goals and perseveres, is something special that the average person does not have or do. The average person doesn't even right down goals therfore they have no reason to persevere. These two things alone have success and intelligence written all over them.

Only if he has patience.

I think you're right - as far as book smarts go.
With social smarts - there's probably not much of a connection either way.

You will always have a group of people whom are much more
smarter than you, but that's simply life.

Classification of marketers being smarter than the "average"
human-being is quite cruel. It's quite funny that this topic came
up because I had just talked to a buddy of mine who worked at
a postal office for years and finally thought of an idea that made
his net go from xx,xxx range all the way to xxx,xxx with an idea of
his.

If people walk into internet marketing with a giant ego, it will quickly
be disolved.

I love IM, and am not full time yet, but I disagree. It is not about how smart you are, it is about the level of vision and discipline you have. I know some people way smarter than me, who THINK that working for someone else is going to make them rich in the long run. Eventhough they are way smarter, their VISION is to work for someone else. I think that is what makes the difference.

Also if you KNOW everything and dont act, you might as well know nothing. You can get overwhelmed by all the terminology and different branches of IM, and just run around in circles for a long time. Anyways, I dont think any IM person who is full time and makes good money is more intelligent, they just have a higher vision and have the discipline to not only know what they are doing, but to take action and make it beneficial to them.

Plus lets be real, IM is NOT hard as long as you are persistent. There are A LOT of simple ways to make money online. You just have to have a plan, have a system, and stick to it. It is NOT rocket science. But with the VISION, desire, persistence, and discipline it can be a very possible.

That's what I think anyways.

Does intelligence help? Of course it does. However, a smart, lazy person get nowhere.

So what I get from some of this is that some people will work hard at something and keep doing that one thing till they succeed. On the other hand some people will not work hard and will always look for another way that is easier. But isn’t that called productivity? Working smarter not harder?

A lot of people are saying that an IM is not more intelligent but is just more motivated or creative or determined. I feel that a strong reason they are is because they have the intelligence to know that’s what will make them successful. Only a small fraction of people that try IM actually succeed with it. Now that is primarily because they are not determined or have other priorities but the ones that do succeed can think ahead and know what it’s going to take to win. Almost like a game of chess in a way. Is that not some form of intelligence?

We are a small group of entrepreneurs that have success in a difficult field. That takes a special person rather it be intelligence or something else. I’m not trying to have a big head or anything because most of my success is from luck, just finding the rite things at the right time. But we have to give the Successful IM some credit here and any successful person for that matter.

Intelligence is relative. I know a lot of doctors and lawyers that probably wouldn't do well in IM. It takes more than intelligence, it takes action and knowing the processes.

I tend to question the intelligence of anyone who makes or believes broad sweeping generalizations about any category of human being.

More intelligent on average... no. There are some very smart people in IM, but that can be said in many industries.

I think it depends on how you define intelligence. A smart person in my eyes is someone that see's the bigger picture and isn't bound by societies belief.

And a dumb person to me is someone who feels like they have to go through lives trials and tribulations to earn a position in social standing like it's the most important thing on the planet.

The way I see it is that it takes a great deal of commitiment and perseverance to be a successful internet marketer, but these are exactly the same traits evident and needed to be good at anything.

BUT, whether's the people that follow the rat race rely on social standing as a form of acceptance ( large majority) leading them to complete goals and earn respect in there eyes as a form of motivation and acceptance, the internet marketer must use his own wit and self belief to get anywhere in internet marketing combined with commitment & determination.

So yes, smarter than the average folk :-)

IMHO, initiative and a wide stubborn streak crush intelligence.

If you have the iniative to DO something and you're stubborn enough to persist at the cycle of do-test-do-test-etc -- that's what gets results.

Thank you all for the great discussion. I think every one here has great and valid points. I feel most are correct in saying that you can not generalize people in such a way as to measure there intelligence by there profession or financial status. Every single person is different.

Please before criticizing my intelligece for posting a debatable topic for a good discussion, realize that I am also trying to debate the other side of the spectrum when the conversation is fairly one sided. I am not so naive to think that all internet marketers are smarter than the average person but due to this being an internet marketing forum I thought this would be a good conversational peace. Witch it has. By no means do I mean any disrespect to any one with this thread.

Most people judge the intelligence of others by how frequently they agree with one another.

Since the average person doesn't know WTF you're talking about when you start blathering about squeeze pages and conversion rates and sales funnels, he's unlikely to agree with you.

So when you talk to another internet marketer about basic stuff everybody knows in this industry like "I think everyone should build a list" and "video is the next big thing," he stands there and nods and says "I agree!" and you think he's smart.

Then you talk to some random guy on the street, and he stares at you like a deer in headlights, because he has no damn clue what you're talking about. He might even do that thing dogs do, where they cock their head to one side like "DERP." And you think "what a complete idiot."

Doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. What you're seeing is that people in IM are more like you, and therefore must have all the same traits you like or dislike about yourself.

In my experience, most of the successful people I've met were indeed so for a good reason: either their sheer intelligence, or an undeniable charisma and wit, or their networking skills, or their unbreakable faith and determination, etc... but they had something special above the average Joe.

Let's face it: no one reaches and sustains success out of silly luck. It doesn't necessarily need to be raw intelligence, but certainly smarts, wits and capacity of adapt. At the end of the day, that's what Darwinism is all about, isnt it?

Plenty of very intelligent people at 9-5 jobs have financial and time-consuming responsibilities like kids, naggy spouses, fat mortgages, high rent, struggling elderly parents or a plethora of other possible contraindicated in-their-face expectations that would make the serious pursuit of internet marketing UNINTELLIGENT given their circumstances in light of the various uncertainties related to incomes and timeframes from IM.

And many who do have the advantageous circumstances simply don't have any idea this world even exists. IQ only deals with someone's potential to acquire/apply knowledge, and that requires exposure to the avenues from which to obtain the knowledge.

you just have to be smart enough to realise your own limitations and hire people smarter than you to fulfill those tasks your not good at

from the answers you got, it seems to me that people here are not judge-mental, which I believe is a conscious property and not something called "smart".

This is something good!