Intelligence of an internet marketer.

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Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person?

Just talking about this with a friend. What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author claudius chan
    well, I think with the correct mindset, perseverance and action .. is the key to success in this business.
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Hi:

    Shireen here :-)

    I'm running an eBay training course in the regular basis. From my observations, those who make it normally have:

    1) strong determination

    2) consistency

    They might not be the smartest student in my eBay class...
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
    Which IM'ers? The ones that do article marketing or "list building" or the real ones that seek out innovative and creative solutions.

    In every sector of biz there is the dumb section and the smart section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tad 100
    I have to disagree because you are asking about social status. I will rephrase your question: would you agree that CEO is better person than for example IT specialist from the same company? I think no. It is stupid to think that you are better person if your social status is higher.

    Social status shows how you are good in your field you are working, not in life. You can be bad person and have social status, do your daily job just perfect and you can be person who works with African Childs and spend all life to help other people.

    Since internet markets are also humans I think this is not criteria to determine if the person is good or no.

    I sold one product in ebay to dentist; well his social status is higher because I am a simple sales person if looking from most people eyes, so I had so many problems because he thinks that I am lower than he is. I explained the situation before he bought, offered free return and he still not happy.

    Higher intelligence person is not determined by position represented in life. It represents how you act with yourself and treat others.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    There are lots of poor clever people. There are lots of people with average intelligence who are rich.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Clark
      Never felt that I was more intelligent than the average person. All my life I had a complete dis-respect for authority. Don't get my wrong. When I was younger with a wife, two kids, a mortgage, a dog, a cat, two cars, I knew how to play the game.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
        - Albert Einstein
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
          - Albert Einstein
          I love this quote. You are all right. I agree that determination and hard work will persevere over intellagence. I am just saying that if you get 100 I'M and 100 9-5 workers I can bet you there will be more intellagence with the IM. This may just be the ones I am around though. I think it would be a better match to compare an IM to a college grad.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

            I love this quote. You are all right. I agree that determination and hard work will persevere over intellagence. I am just saying that if you get 100 I'M and 100 9-5 workers I can bet you there will be more intellagence with the IM. This may just be the ones I am around though. I think it would be a better match to compare an IM to a college grad.
            I doubt it, Adam. It's just that the internet marketers are more determined, persistent and much more tolerant of risk than the average 9-5 worker. Intelligence is really not a prerequisite - it may help, but you wouldn't even need to be a college graduate or some super-genius to succeed in IM. There are plenty of examples in IM that speak to this fact.

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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
          - Albert Einstein
          I hope you dont mind if i use this as my quote.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
            - Albert Einstein

            Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

            I hope you dont mind if i use this as my quote.
            It's not "my" quote, and I don't think Albert Einstein would mind at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

    Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person?

    Just talking about this with a friend. What are your thoughts?
    I can think of several (unnamed) examples to prove income and intelligence or education are not necessarily correlated. In fact, intelligence as it's usually defined often hinders business success.

    It's like the tale of the rabbit and the fox...

    The rabbit and the fox were discussing how each got away from the hunter and his dogs.

    The rabbit admitted that he only had one way to get away - to run as fast and as far as he could, like a scared rabbit.

    The fox bragged that he had many ways to get away. He could run along the fence, climb a tree, cover his scent in the creek, and more...

    One day, the hunter and his dogs showed up while the two were talking. The rabbit did what he did best - ran like a scared rabbit. The fox hesitated, wondering if he should run along the fence, cover his scent in the creek or...

    You can guess the outcome. The fox ended up as an ornament on the hunter's wife's coat.

    Many "less intelligent" marketers will find one thing they can do well, and they stick with it.

    Many "more intelligent" marketers will accumulate tools and jump from one thing to another. Or they'll spend so much time trying to figure out the best way to do something they end up doing nothing.
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    • Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I can think of several (unnamed) examples to prove income and intelligence or education are not necessarily correlated. In fact, intelligence as it's usually defined often hinders business success.

      It's like the tale of the rabbit and the fox...

      The rabbit and the fox were discussing how each got away from the hunter and his dogs.

      The rabbit admitted that he only had one way to get away - to run as fast and as far as he could, like a scared rabbit.

      The fox bragged that he had many ways to get away. He could run along the fence, climb a tree, cover his scent in the creek, and more...

      One day, the hunter and his dogs showed up while the two were talking. The rabbit did what he did best - ran like a scared rabbit. The fox hesitated, wondering if he should run along the fence, cover his scent in the creek or...

      You can guess the outcome. The fox ended up as an ornament on the hunter's wife's coat.

      Many "less intelligent" marketers will find one thing they can do well, and they stick with it.

      Many "more intelligent" marketers will accumulate tools and jump from one thing to another. Or they'll spend so much time trying to figure out the best way to do something they end up doing nothing.
      Guilty as charged This was, or is a problem I face. Not to say I'm smart, but still, I do this sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tad 100
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I can think of several (unnamed) examples to prove income and intelligence or education are not necessarily correlated. In fact, intelligence as it's usually defined often hinders business success.

      It's like the tale of the rabbit and the fox...

      The rabbit and the fox were discussing how each got away from the hunter and his dogs.

      The rabbit admitted that he only had one way to get away - to run as fast and as far as he could, like a scared rabbit.

      The fox bragged that he had many ways to get away. He could run along the fence, climb a tree, cover his scent in the creek, and more...

      One day, the hunter and his dogs showed up while the two were talking. The rabbit did what he did best - ran like a scared rabbit. The fox hesitated, wondering if he should run along the fence, cover his scent in the creek or...

      You can guess the outcome. The fox ended up as an ornament on the hunter's wife's coat.

      Many "less intelligent" marketers will find one thing they can do well, and they stick with it.

      Many "more intelligent" marketers will accumulate tools and jump from one thing to another. Or they'll spend so much time trying to figure out the best way to do something they end up doing nothing.
      I don't want to say that I am smart but I am one of those people who accumulate tools. So I will have no luck with doing something big? :confused: You know that from personal expierence? Give some more ides.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    I think that would depend on how you would define "internet marketer".

    I know that there are 2 main types of "internet marketers" - those who lean on the push button, guru software, biz opp crap, and those who are actually willing to put in the time and effort necessary to learn everything to set up a business correctly!

    Just my 2c,

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    • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      I think that would depend on how you would define "internet marketer".

      I know that there are 2 main types of "internet marketers" - those who lean on the push button, guru software, biz opp crap, and those who are actually willing to put in the time and effort necessary to learn everything to set up a business correctly!

      Just my 2c,

      Dean
      I agree 100%. Most of the people that post here are "How can I get a list to email spam people and make money the easy way" people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      In order to really answer this question, you'd have to:

      1. Define what you mean by "intelligence".

      2. Define what you mean by "internet marketer."

      In my experience, successful entrepreneurs tend to be SHARP, in terms of figuring out how to get what they want, but as a group, I wouldn't say they're more intellectually gifted than average.
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  • Profile picture of the author BaltimoreDave
    You can't generalize intelligence. Some people do poorly at IM and are doctors or engineers. I would believe that some people get into IM because they are insufficient at another means of making money.

    Are you aware that people within any set group talk about the same thing. For example, go to any AA meeting and someone will mention that alcoholics are generally more intelligent than the average person. When in reality, there is nothing that separates an alcoholics intelligence from the intelligence of an Internet marketer. I'm sorry but, neither have to do with intelligence. The reason I bring up AA, is to illustrate the absurd nature of these sorts of generalizations.

    I live with a neuro-scientist and and a statistician who both have high level positions at Johns Hopkins, and they never talk about how mathematicians are a cut above anyone else. It seems to me, that people who tend to be more concerned about their own intelligence are the ones who think certain groups in which they are involved, tend to contain only people of a higher intelligence.

    I agree with what most people say, and that it has more to do with your determination and motivation to succeed, and that goes for about any business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    You do have to be smart I think but it is not a total requirement. There are dumb people who get lucky and smart people who aren't willing to do what it takes to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wats
    Well, i am pretty new new in IM, but one thing is becoming increasingly clear: resilience is a must!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence.
    Internet marketers (good ones) tend to have a higher level of knowledge of what they need to do, as well as everything around them in the field.
    Where as 9-5 workers (depending on the field) tend to have a knowledge of just what they need to do.

    The reason for this is that internet marketers are doing their work and running their business. If they are any good of course they are going ot read ALOT more about differfent things in their field and different ways to market. Not to mention they will be more willing to try different things and see the results since they are not worried about being fired.

    9-5 workers (the average guy) USUALLY only has to worry about doing their part towards the much larger company. They don't have to understand why what they are doing works, they don't have to worry about what the competition is doing, they just have to do what their boss or manager told them to do so they will read less about their field and will not be as creative.

    Please remember that this is a comparison between the AVERAGE 9 to 5 worker and an internet marketer. Obviously it depends on what position you hold, what field you are in, and how interested in the field you are in order to determine how involved you will be.

    Basically what I am saying is that it's not about being smarter, internet marketers just have a need to be more creative and learn more about what they are doing because it directly affects the amount of money they will make.
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  • Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

    Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person?

    Just talking about this with a friend. What are your thoughts?
    In all honestly, probably yes. Not because it is rocket science or anything, but they have to have the mindset to first of all try it, and then stick at it when they most likely won't see any real results for a number of months. Perseverance and the ability to stick with something because you know it will work even though you are not seeing results at that time, is not something a lot of people have. That takes a special mindset and person in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

    Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person?

    Just talking about this with a friend. What are your thoughts?
    NO. I think that most people who are into internet marketing and have become successful at it have just gained certain learned skill sets that actually anyone can learn.

    The difference is that someone who has become successful and someone who is just "average" is that most "average" people haven't taken the time to get into this particular type of business. It really has nothing to do with being more intelligent or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Theory5
    I don't think IMers need to have a higher IQ than normal, no more than people in the tech industry need to.

    I am going to college for network engineering and there is a kid in my class who was in business, but switched his major to network engineering. Let me just say he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but come midterms he gets REALLY good grades. I was curious about his methods and one time I did some homework with him (like an hour before the class started :-P) I got all the information I needed because after skimming the chapter I got the jist of it, enough to do my part of the homework (well, more like half-ass it, I don't have much motivation). He got stuck doing his part though, he couldn't really figure it out and I only had a tentative grasp of it so I couldn't explain it to him (I can't do math that well). He told me to go to class and he would give me his half of the work when he was finished with it.

    He comes into class Half an hour late. But with most of the correct answers. In that class for the mid-term he got a 100. Not only the highest grade in the class but almost a grade above everybody else (us tech majors tend to procrastinate and not study much). He succeeded by constantly reading and re-reading every bit of information until he understood it, which might have taken a little bit longer for him, but in the end he did better than the kids who knew it front and back but couldn't be bothered to study.

    In all honesty I would think he has an average IQ if not a tab below average, but if I had a company, I would hire him in a second due to his dedication.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Intelligence has less to do with it than you'd think.

    In fact, a lot of times, intelligence gets in the way of productivity. Too much time gets spent analyzing, or trying to find better ways to accomplish something. I'm guilty of this myself.

    So busy trying to find the best way to do something, while my "dumber" competition just gets out there and does it, no matter how unrefined and messy... they just put their nose to the ground and start hustling..

    THAT is generally what pays off.

    When you possess the ability to do that, AND you're intelligent... well then you've got the world by the balls.


    Watch these:


    Specifically the end of part 2. Last 4 minutes or so... But I highly suggest watching the whole thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by tadaszem View Post

      I don't want to say that I am smart but I am one of those people who accumulate tools. So I will have no luck with doing something big? :confused: You know that from personal expierence? Give some more ides.
      Accumulating tools is not a bad thing, if you know when and how to use them.

      In my little story, the fox's trouble wasn't that he had multiple options (tools, if you will) for escape. The fox's problem was that he couldn't make up his mind which tool to use in the given situation. So he waffled until it was too late.

      Whether you have any luck with doing something big is pretty much in your hands.

      Yes, I very well know the feeling of paralysis from too many choices from personal experience. I still have occasional relapses.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
      Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

      Intelligence has less to do with it than you'd think.

      In fact, a lot of times, intelligence gets in the way of productivity. Too much time gets spent analyzing, or trying to find better ways to accomplish something. I'm guilty of this myself.

      So busy trying to find the best way to do something, while my "dumber" competition just gets out there and does it, no matter how unrefined and messy... they just put their nose to the ground and start hustling..

      THAT is generally what pays off.

      When you possess the ability to do that, AND you're intelligent... well then you've got the world by the balls.


      Watch these:
      YouTube - Art Williams - Just Do It - part 1 of 2

      YouTube - Art Williams - Just Do It - part 2 of 2

      Specifically the end of part 2. Last 4 minutes or so... But I highly suggest watching the whole thing.
      What a fantastic speech! I think this is the key to life in general. Never give up and keep on doing it! The forward momentum will keep you moving in the right direction until you 'make it'. Many of the great leaders and great inventions did not become exist because they gave up. No , they 'did it' until it worked and when they ran into roadblocks they knocked them down and started over again until they did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I think anyone that is successful needs to be of higher intelligence than the average person.
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    • Profile picture of the author Theory5
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      I think anyone that is successful needs to be of higher intelligence than the average person.
      Why?
      Sarah Palin is successful (Dear god, WHY?!?!?!) and given the way she speaks (sentence structure, pronunciation, etc) I believe she is below average IQ.
      Mohamed Ali had an IQ of like 75. His manager was once quoted as having said that he probably has never had an original thought in his life.
      While many great leaders and successful people DO have higher IQ's its not exactly a requirement.
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    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      I think anyone that is successful needs to be of higher intelligence than the average person.

      Some of the most successful people I know are dumb as a bag of rocks... It actually works to their advantage. They don't question things... they just do things.
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  • Profile picture of the author tsuccess
    Yes, I'm sure that the successful internet marketer which your example seems to portray is more intelligent than the average person.

    I could give examples of why all day but to keep it simple, just the fact that the successful IMer has goals and perseveres, is something special that the average person does not have or do. The average person doesn't even right down goals therfore they have no reason to persevere. These two things alone have success and intelligence written all over them.
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  • Profile picture of the author s1gn3lect
    Only if he has patience.
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  • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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    I think you're right - as far as book smarts go.
    With social smarts - there's probably not much of a connection either way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    You will always have a group of people whom are much more
    smarter than you, but that's simply life.

    Classification of marketers being smarter than the "average"
    human-being is quite cruel. It's quite funny that this topic came
    up because I had just talked to a buddy of mine who worked at
    a postal office for years and finally thought of an idea that made
    his net go from xx,xxx range all the way to xxx,xxx with an idea of
    his.

    If people walk into internet marketing with a giant ego, it will quickly
    be disolved.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Jake Gray View Post

      If people walk into internet marketing with a giant ego, it will quickly
      be disolved.
      Jake, there could be some correlation between intelligence and success in IM, but it'd be the inverse of what the OP is asserting.

      Some (not all) intelligent and educated people have tremendously huge egos, and possessing this would drastically reduce their chances of success at IM!

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      • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Some (not all) intelligent and educated people have tremendously huge egos, and possessing this would drastically reduce their chances of success at IM!

        Paul

        Exactly Paul.

        Don't worry - They'll soon figure out.
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  • I love IM, and am not full time yet, but I disagree. It is not about how smart you are, it is about the level of vision and discipline you have. I know some people way smarter than me, who THINK that working for someone else is going to make them rich in the long run. Eventhough they are way smarter, their VISION is to work for someone else. I think that is what makes the difference.

    Also if you KNOW everything and dont act, you might as well know nothing. You can get overwhelmed by all the terminology and different branches of IM, and just run around in circles for a long time. Anyways, I dont think any IM person who is full time and makes good money is more intelligent, they just have a higher vision and have the discipline to not only know what they are doing, but to take action and make it beneficial to them.

    Plus lets be real, IM is NOT hard as long as you are persistent. There are A LOT of simple ways to make money online. You just have to have a plan, have a system, and stick to it. It is NOT rocket science. But with the VISION, desire, persistence, and discipline it can be a very possible.

    That's what I think anyways.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by unlimitedmarketing View Post

      I love IM, and am not full time yet, but I disagree. It is not about how smart they are, it is about the level of vision and discipline they have. I know some people way smarter than me, who THINK that working for someone else is going to make them rich in the long run. Eventhough they are way smarter, their VISION is to work for someone else. I think that is what makes the difference.

      Also if you KNOW everything and dont act, you might as well know nothing. You can get overwhelmed by all the terminology and different branches of IM, and just run around in circles for a long time. Anyways, I dont think any IM person who is full time and makes good money is more inteligent, they just have a higher vision and have the discipline to not only know what they are doing, but to take action and make it beneficial to them.
      This sort of reminds of the Tortoise and the Hare fable. Someone may be superior in many ways, but if they let it go to their heads and end up doing very little (or nothing at all), it's entirely possible that they could lose out in the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarcoJardel
      In my experience some of the most intelligent people struggle with Internet Marketing. Why? Because it's easy to over analyse everything if you're intelligent... Usually this analysis paralysis will result in a lack of action...

      Those who aren't as intelligent will probably have less self doubt and just do it. And there is some truth that generally speaking, there is a massive correlation between just going for it (taking action) and success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam31
    Does intelligence help? Of course it does. However, a smart, lazy person get nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
    So what I get from some of this is that some people will work hard at something and keep doing that one thing till they succeed. On the other hand some people will not work hard and will always look for another way that is easier. But isn’t that called productivity? Working smarter not harder?

    A lot of people are saying that an IM is not more intelligent but is just more motivated or creative or determined. I feel that a strong reason they are is because they have the intelligence to know that’s what will make them successful. Only a small fraction of people that try IM actually succeed with it. Now that is primarily because they are not determined or have other priorities but the ones that do succeed can think ahead and know what it’s going to take to win. Almost like a game of chess in a way. Is that not some form of intelligence?

    We are a small group of entrepreneurs that have success in a difficult field. That takes a special person rather it be intelligence or something else. I’m not trying to have a big head or anything because most of my success is from luck, just finding the rite things at the right time. But we have to give the Successful IM some credit here and any successful person for that matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

      A lot of people are saying that an IM is not more intelligent but is just more motivated or creative or determined. I feel that a strong reason they are is because they have the intelligence to know that's what will make them successful. Only a small fraction of people that try IM actually succeed with it. Now that is primarily because they are not determined or have other priorities but the ones that do succeed can think ahead and know what it's going to take to win. Almost like a game of chess in a way. Is that not some form of intelligence?
      Which is why I said in order to answer the question, you'd have to first define what you mean by "intelligence". It definitely takes smarts to come up with an entrepreneurial endeavor and see it through into fruition, but if you were to test IQ's of entrepreneurs vs. 9-5'ers I think entrepreneurs' scores would be pretty much in line with the working Joes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
        Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

        Which is why I said in order to answer the question, you'd have to first define what you mean by "intelligence". It definitely takes smarts to come up with an entrepreneurial endeavor and see it through into fruition, but if you were to test IQ's of entrepreneurs vs. 9-5'ers I think entrepreneurs' scores would be pretty much in line with the working Joes.
        I respectfully disagree. If you get the 9-5ers that make around the same amount as most successful IM then yes IQ scores would probably match up. This is for business related working people not construction or heavy machinery drivers, that is something that is all about harder work less thinking = more $. I'm talking about the successful IMers here compared to the average 9-5rs. The 9-5rs that make minimum wage +$5 or $10 more an hour. I think you would see some higher IQ scores with the $120,000+ a year IMer compared to the $30,000 a year 9-5er. IMers THINK outside the box some things just click when it wouldn't for most. IDK I feel like I am starting to become disrespectful to the average working person when that is the last thing I want to do. So I am going to stop here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
          Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

          I respectfully disagree. If you get the 9-5ers that make around the same amount as most successful IM then yes IQ scores would probably match up. This is for business related working people not construction or heavy machinery drivers, that is something that is all about harder work less thinking = more $. I'm talking about the successful IMers here compared to the average 9-5rs. The 9-5rs that make minimum wage +$5 or $10 more an hour. I think you would see some higher IQ scores with the $120,000+ a year IMer compared to the $30,000 a year 9-5er. IMers THINK outside the box some things just click when it wouldn't for most. IDK I feel like I am starting to become disrespectful to the average working person when that is the last thing I want to do. So I am going to stop here.
          Well there is some truth to what you're saying, in that intelligent people tend to earn more money on average. Here's a somewhat related article:

          You Don't Have To Be Smart To Be Rich, Study Finds

          And here's a quote:

          "The results confirmed research by other scholars that show people with higher IQ scores tend to earn higher incomes. In this study, each point increase in IQ scores was associated with $202 to $616 more income per year.

          This means the average income difference between a person with an IQ score in the normal range (100) and someone in the top 2 percent of society (130) is currently between $6,000 and $18,500 a year.

          But when it came to total wealth and the likelihood of financial difficulties, people of below average and average intelligence did just fine when compared with the super-intelligent."
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          • Profile picture of the author Fred Young
            Be careful not to confuse intelligence with capability and determination.

            Anything in life is achievable if you're willing to keep trying, even if you fail repeatedly. This goes for the intelligent as well as the not so intelligent.

            "It's not whether you get knocked down. It's whether you get up." - Vince Lombardi

            This is true of any endeavor you wish to pursue in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateC
    Intelligence is relative. I know a lot of doctors and lawyers that probably wouldn't do well in IM. It takes more than intelligence, it takes action and knowing the processes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I tend to question the intelligence of anyone who makes or believes broad sweeping generalizations about any category of human being.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I tend to question the intelligence of anyone who makes or believes broad sweeping generalizations about any category of human being.
      Me too. There are far too many other factors and variables involved to ascribe success to just intelligence. I feel that it plays a much more insignificant role than what the OP is trying to indicate it does.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephfoster
    More intelligent on average... no. There are some very smart people in IM, but that can be said in many industries.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
    I think it depends on how you define intelligence. A smart person in my eyes is someone that see's the bigger picture and isn't bound by societies belief.

    And a dumb person to me is someone who feels like they have to go through lives trials and tribulations to earn a position in social standing like it's the most important thing on the planet.

    The way I see it is that it takes a great deal of commitiment and perseverance to be a successful internet marketer, but these are exactly the same traits evident and needed to be good at anything.

    BUT, whether's the people that follow the rat race rely on social standing as a form of acceptance ( large majority) leading them to complete goals and earn respect in there eyes as a form of motivation and acceptance, the internet marketer must use his own wit and self belief to get anywhere in internet marketing combined with commitment & determination.

    So yes, smarter than the average folk :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
    Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

    Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person? Just talking about this with a friend. What are your thoughts?
    IMHO, initiative and a wide stubborn streak crush intelligence.

    If you have the iniative to DO something and you're stubborn enough to persist at the cycle of do-test-do-test-etc -- that's what gets results.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

      IMHO, initiative and a wide stubborn streak crush intelligence.

      If you have the iniative to DO something and you're stubborn enough to persist at the cycle of do-test-do-test-etc -- that's what gets results.
      I couldn't agree more, Linda. You really need to have initiative and tenacity to make it in internet marketing, and that's something that can be sorely lacking in regular 9-5 employees (even the intelligent ones) because many have learned to do just enough to get by in their jobs - it's become a habit that's hard to break for them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Martinez
    Thank you all for the great discussion. I think every one here has great and valid points. I feel most are correct in saying that you can not generalize people in such a way as to measure there intelligence by there profession or financial status. Every single person is different.

    Please before criticizing my intelligece for posting a debatable topic for a good discussion, realize that I am also trying to debate the other side of the spectrum when the conversation is fairly one sided. I am not so naive to think that all internet marketers are smarter than the average person but due to this being an internet marketing forum I thought this would be a good conversational peace. Witch it has. By no means do I mean any disrespect to any one with this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Adam Martinez View Post

    Now would you agree that the typical full time internet marketer that makes a good living tends to be of higher intelligence than the average person?
    Most people judge the intelligence of others by how frequently they agree with one another.

    Since the average person doesn't know WTF you're talking about when you start blathering about squeeze pages and conversion rates and sales funnels, he's unlikely to agree with you.

    So when you talk to another internet marketer about basic stuff everybody knows in this industry like "I think everyone should build a list" and "video is the next big thing," he stands there and nods and says "I agree!" and you think he's smart.

    Then you talk to some random guy on the street, and he stares at you like a deer in headlights, because he has no damn clue what you're talking about. He might even do that thing dogs do, where they cock their head to one side like "DERP." And you think "what a complete idiot."

    Doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. What you're seeing is that people in IM are more like you, and therefore must have all the same traits you like or dislike about yourself.
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  • In my experience, most of the successful people I've met were indeed so for a good reason: either their sheer intelligence, or an undeniable charisma and wit, or their networking skills, or their unbreakable faith and determination, etc... but they had something special above the average Joe.

    Let's face it: no one reaches and sustains success out of silly luck. It doesn't necessarily need to be raw intelligence, but certainly smarts, wits and capacity of adapt. At the end of the day, that's what Darwinism is all about, isnt it?
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  • Profile picture of the author advertisethis
    Plenty of very intelligent people at 9-5 jobs have financial and time-consuming responsibilities like kids, naggy spouses, fat mortgages, high rent, struggling elderly parents or a plethora of other possible contraindicated in-their-face expectations that would make the serious pursuit of internet marketing UNINTELLIGENT given their circumstances in light of the various uncertainties related to incomes and timeframes from IM.

    And many who do have the advantageous circumstances simply don't have any idea this world even exists. IQ only deals with someone's potential to acquire/apply knowledge, and that requires exposure to the avenues from which to obtain the knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    you just have to be smart enough to realise your own limitations and hire people smarter than you to fulfill those tasks your not good at
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  • Profile picture of the author charliesheen
    from the answers you got, it seems to me that people here are not judge-mental, which I believe is a conscious property and not something called "smart".

    This is something good!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
      I liked the story of the rabbit and the wolf, although I do think it paints an unfair picture. Humans are creatures of habit, we enjoy routine and knowing what the next day brings (maybe something to do with survival instincts)...

      But the business world is the total opposite - risk, uncertainty, and not knowing anything for sure before plunging yourself straight into it.

      That's what entrepreneurs do. I personally know several millionaires who were bankrupted and had to start over (My parents being one of them) and as Paulie said, they have the tenacity and will to push through obstacles... unlike many who come here, give it a half ass shot then whine about it to get some attention.

      I didn't have a silver spoon to feed me - and neither did my siblings. A hard work ethic was drummed into me since I was a kid. I slaved away after school days and weekends scrubbing dishes at a fast food joint... but I knew that I would work myself out of that hole because I wasn't a quitter. I did in fact quit internet marketing a while ago, but my ego prevailed

      The point is, mindset is everything. It's not necessarily "intelligence" that makes or breaks us... which isn't something that can be quantified in the first place - but persisting even if something doesn't work out the first time.

      Make Thomas Edison proud

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      • Of course one needs a certain level of intelligence to make money. But that´s not all. I know someone, who doesn´t seem to stupid to do IM, but he wants to make money very quick. By now he is searching the internet for about 2,5 years but can´t find anything he can believe in. I told him to start small, find something that works and make more of this. But he will not listen. He says he is a businessman (who went bankrupt) and as a businessman he will not work for peanuts.

        So the reason for not making any money is the angle from where he looks at things and not a shortage of intelligence. He wants too much too soon and says if something does not deliver that, than he needs something else. And so he keeps searching, sometimes starts trying something but loses faith and gives up after a few days.

        Therefore starting to make money may be easier for people that are satisfied with little. While they start trying to make a little in the end they may make a lot more.
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