A note about sig files

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First, for those who haven't, please read the rules for signature files in the sticky at the top of the main forum: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-forum.html

We've been getting a rash of people posting for link juice. Nothing new there, except that this is what I call "human automation." Real people posting very short comments in a bunch of threads. Read individually, they look relevant. Looked at in the aggregate, they're clearly nothing more than paid posts for link exposure.

Those get removed, along with the people posting them, when we see them.

Another one that's come up again lately is something people seem to think is a clever way to get around the rules. Merchants create template sites which they give to their affiliates to host on their own domains. Often, the sites will start out with something like "From [Merchant Name] and [Affiliate Name]."

Don't bother putting those in your sig file. If it gets spotted, we'll remove it. Keep putting it back in, and we'll turn off your sig file.

The basic concept is fine. It's actually smart. It becomes a problem when a bunch of people use that as their reason for putting up a lot of useless posts. Since that is something we know will happen, we don't allow it. And no, we don't make exceptions based on who's doing it or what you post.

See the earlier comment about "human automation" for an explanation. Same issue.

[Note: If you're a product creator and you tell people to do this, you may want to keep in mind that following your advice could get your affiliates banned at this forum. Other sites may or may not have the same policies.]

If your signature file gets changed and you didn't do it, ask yourself who could have. [Answer: One of the moderators.]

Do you think it would be smart to simply put the same thing back in? That is an excellent way to get your sig file disabled, and possibly get yourself banned for a while. It's treated much the same way as re-posting a thread after it's been deleted.

Note the relevant part of the rules: "If you want to promote an affiliate program do it on your own domain. Your own web site. Not a 'pre-made' web site. Your own web site, a real one. Then put THAT web site in your sig file."

Here's one more: Creating a review, putting it in your sig file, and then telling people, "See the link in my sig for a review."

One fellow did that a half dozen or so times, each of which was deleted. Then he posted a comment in the review thread for that product, directing people to the link from the body of his post. When we deleted it and disabled his signature file, he posted a thread in main discussion asking people to review the site.

His persistence was rewarded, but not in the way he wanted.

To some, this may look like overkill. That seems sensible, until you look at the impact of these behaviors. We're talking about hundreds of nonsense or content-free posts every day, wasting the time of every member who opens the threads they're in. And these folks tend to work based on keywords, which is how we end up with so many 2-year old threads getting pulled back to the front page, further wasting people's time and provoking arguments over out of date topics. Not to mention that it takes attention away from more relevant questions that people actually need help with.

I guarantee you, none of the moderators wants to have to waste their time with this small stuff. It's such a destructive problem, though, that we have to. The first reflex is "Ban 'em all and save the time." If you value your participation here, you'll want to keep that in mind.

If you've been around a while, there's no excuse for it. If you're new, we have no way of telling whether you're just confused, didn't read the rules, or are purely here as a sig spammer. Since new accounts don't represent a large investment of time or reputation, we're not real hesitant about removing them.

A single drop of rain isn't much to notice. Enough of them at one time, though, and you've got a flood.


Paul

PS: For the record, being a War Room member does not make you exempt from any of the rules of this forum. That ought to be obvious, but it seems a lot of people think otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Man, some of these guys are tenacious. Just spotted one who'd been warned and had his sig file turned off. He thought it would be clever to include the sig links in the bodies of his posts.

    From India. Promoting SEO services...

    [sigh]


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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

    PS: For the record, being a War Room member does not make you exempt from any of the rules of this forum. That ought to be obvious, but it seems a lot of people think otherwise.
    Thank you!

    People think that because they are War Room members, they are allowed to get away with anything.

    It gets really annoying really fast. "See my sig" "Look at my services instead" "This product sucks, buy mine"
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

      Thank you!

      People think that because they are War Room members, they are allowed to get away with anything.

      It gets really annoying really fast. "See my sig" "Look at my services instead" "This product sucks, buy mine"
      It's kind of like the guy who gets pulled over for drunk driving, then thinks he can get out of it by saying to the cop "Hey! my brother-in-law knows the mayor."

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        It boggles my mind the ways that people come up with to abuse a system.

        What boggles my mind even more than that, however, is the deviousness of
        the human mind. Half the stuff that some of these people come up with, I
        wouldn't think of in a million years. I guess that's why my wife told me never
        to consider a life of crime.

        And the sad part of all of this is that if these people would simply take the time
        to become contributing members to the forum and actually help others, they
        would be rewarded many times over and a lot more so than by spamming
        the forum or trying to get around the rules.

        I am not ashamed to say that the Warrior Forum has greatly improved my
        business not just in monetary terms but in relationships. There are people I
        can go to with a problem who would drop what they're doing in a heartbeat
        to help me if I needed help.

        Maybe this is the idealist in me but I truly believe that the more you give,
        the more you will get back in the long run and without having to resort to
        trickery.

        And yeah, I know all those people who resort to those tactics reading this
        right now are saying to themselves, "What a wuss" or maybe even something
        a lot worse.

        I wonder how many of them have the kind of life that I enjoy now.

        My gut tells me, not many.

        Paul, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Something else I have to put
        on my list of things to look out for. Honestly, a lot of this gets passed me
        because I like to believe the best in people.

        I guess you can add gullible to my list of faults.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          It boggles my mind the ways that people come up with to abuse a system.

          What boggles my mind even more than that, however, is the deviousness of
          the human mind. Half the stuff that some of these people come up with, I
          wouldn't think of in a million years. I guess that's why my wife told me never
          to consider a life of crime.

          And the sad part of all of this is that if these people would simply take the time
          to become contributing members to the forum and actually help others, they
          would be rewarded many times over and a lot more so than by spamming
          the forum or trying to get around the rules.

          I am not ashamed to say that the Warrior Forum has greatly improved my
          business not just in monetary terms but in relationships. There are people I
          can go to with a problem who would drop what they're doing in a heartbeat
          to help me if I needed help.

          Maybe this is the idealist in me but I truly believe that the more you give,
          the more you will get back in the long run and without having to resort to
          trickery.

          And yeah, I know all those people who resort to those tactics reading this
          right now are saying to themselves, "What a wuss" or maybe even something
          a lot worse.

          I wonder how many of them have the kind of life that I enjoy now.

          My gut tells me, not many.

          Paul, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Something else I have to put
          on my list of things to look out for. Honestly, a lot of this gets passed me
          because I like to believe the best in people.

          I guess you can add gullible to my list of faults.
          You know what bugs me more than anything? The "maybe even something a lot worse" part.

          What's worse? That they don't believe people like us are honest, and don't know how to be devious - they think THAT is a charade to somehow "sucker" more people in.

          Yep, call me a "wuss" or whatever, but don't call me a scammer.

          All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          I think that for some people this is "just a forum" and forum marketing is just a business model that they were taught. No different from article marketing or PPC or what have you. It's nothing person. It's just ignorance to the extreme... sort of like going to the library and getting busted for stealing books.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

            There used to be a rule way back on the old forum,
            If your post was shorter than your sig file it gets deleted.
            We could do with that rule now.
            Get someone else to blow your horn and the sound will carry twice as far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Coby
      Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

      Thank you!

      People think that because they are War Room members, they are allowed to get away with anything.

      It gets really annoying really fast. "See my sig" "Look at my services instead" "This product sucks, buy mine"
      I absolutely hate this as well! I often like to point these people out

      I have a video about this particular 'pet peeve' alone

      There is a secret to getting people to click your signature files though.... Wait for it....

      QUALITY!! If they like what your posting THEY WILL LOOK AT YOUR SIG FILE!! Don't beg for clicks! EARN THEM!

      Okay, now that the cat is outta the bag, go make some quality posts (better than this one at least )
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I love how clever some people think they are. I think they sometimes forget they are in a forum full of Internet Marketers who have seen it all before.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
    Banned
    There used to be a rule way back on the old forum,
    If your post was shorter than your sig file it gets deleted.
    We could do with that rule now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      There used to be a rule way back on the old forum,
      If your post was shorter than your sig file it gets deleted.
      We could do with that rule now.
      Wow, I remember those days. I wouldn't mind seeing this rule return.
      It would cut down on a lot of the one line posts and cause people
      to use more than one brain cell when posting.

      Have a Great Day!

      ^^^ Check Out My New Signature
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        Wow, I remember those days. I wouldn't mind seeing this rule return.
        It would cut down on a lot of the one line posts and cause people
        to use more than one brain cell when posting.

        Have a Great Day!

        ^^^ Check Out My New Signature
        Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
          - Mark Twain
          Hi Paul,

          Cool quotes!

          I reckon you should change your name to "motd"



          Cheers, and much respect,
          Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          not that much link juice coming from the sig files
          ....and that posting 5-7 "anchor links" in your sig - all leading to same one page website can make you LOOK juiced.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
        Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

        Wow, I remember those days. I wouldn't mind seeing this rule return.
        It would cut down on a lot of the one line posts and cause people
        to use more than one brain cell when posting.

        Have a Great Day!

        ^^^ Check Out My New Signature
        Hmmm....Michael,

        I think you're being uni-cell-ist.

        I -- personally -- can't stand uni-cellism.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

          Hmmm....Michael,

          I think you're being uni-cell-ist.
          Interesting interpretation ... I'd always taken him more for a uni-violinist, myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.
      - Winston Churchill
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.
        - Winston Churchill
        That wasn't Churchill, it was Harpo Marx.




        Ken
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          I am reminded of the professor who, in his declining hours, was asked by his devoted pupils for his final counsel. He replied, 'Verify your quotations.'

          - Winston Churchill
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Clint,
          You see, he does not have to post the obvious, because the ones that are doing the wrong probably wouldn't listen to anything said Anyhow . He is only using this as a spot to vent.
          Ummm... Nope. No venting.

          Lots of people falling afoul of these rules lately, and I'd rather head that off at the pass, at least for the folks who care to bother knowing why things are done the way they are. It should also serve as warning for those who think it's smart to encourage their customers to come here and abuse the forum.

          Communities work better when the members understand the rules and know they're not just arbitrary dictates.


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          • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
              Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

              Meant to inform hmmm

              Gets me thinking that there should be a link next to all rules that point to post like this that go into specifics.
              Clint, I agree, That's a good ideal!

              Have a Great Day!
              Michael
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            • Profile picture of the author bretski
              Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

              Meant to inform hmmm

              Gets me thinking that there should be a link next to all rules that point to post like this that go into specifics.
              Honestly, I don't think it would make much difference. Much akin to a post on here about "why was my thread deleted?" Offenders rarely read the rules or care much about the rules. It's like more gun laws... what's the sense when offenders fail to use "common sense"?
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Spammers need to know that there is not that much link juice coming from the sig files anyways. I have close to 2000 posts and have experimented with using different anchor texts in my sig file and came up with notta. Sure there was a little, but nothing to go and get yourself banned for. You would be better off spamming out blog comments instead if you have your heart set on spamming. You'll keep your WF account up and running and you'll get 1000% more link juice from it. You may end up pissing off a bunch of other people but I doubt you care about that anyways. Just trying to speak logically here. Think before you spam!
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  • Profile picture of the author andybeveridge
    I'm not clever enough to have worked out what to do, so I guess I am safe. Ignorance is bliss.

    On a serious not. It is spelt out. So if you get caught don't go moaning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
      Is this the best place to pimp my new report?

      "Forum Signature Profits Exposed, Unleashed, and Rehashed"

      Actually, strictly speaking it's not my product, but you can check out my (ahem) honest review...

      It's in my sig.

      Steve

      Edit: WTF, where did it go???
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
          Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

          LOL LOL LOL thanks so much Steven I needed a good laugh. I probably should've expected to read something like this, there is always a smart Alec lol lol
          There's always one, indeed. I'm just sorry it had to be me

          For the record, I feel sorry for Paul Myers -- for having to state the obvious when it should be...obvious.

          I mean, sheesh...

          Cheers,
          Alec...sorry Steve.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it.
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        • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
          Another one that's come up again lately is something people seem to think is a clever way to get around the rules. Merchants create template sites which they give to their affiliates to host on their own domains. Often, the sites will start out with something like "From [Merchant Name] and [Affiliate Name]."

          Don't bother putting those in your sig file. If it gets spotted, we'll remove it. Keep putting it back in, and we'll turn off your sig file.

          The basic concept is fine. It's actually smart. It becomes a problem when a bunch of people use that as their reason for putting up a lot of useless posts. Since that is something we know will happen, we don't allow it. And no, we don't make exceptions based on who's doing it or what you post.
          Thanks for clearing that up. I have seen quite a few of these lately and wasn't sure if I should report them as it technically was their own domain name, yet it didn't feel right.

          But when you get there it says something like, "Hi, this is Michael from so and so", yet the sig file is in a different name completely.

          So now I know to click that triangle button for these as well.
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  • You seem to be fine with mine, look, it's right there... in size 0.000001 font, just focus your eye-sight a little more, you may see my promotion... keep looking, oh wai- that's just a little speck where I hadn't cleaned my monitor, and here I was thinking I'd outplayed the moderators!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    The single most dangerous phrase in the English language is probably "it's not against the rules."

    Because it generally means there are about to be more rules.

    If you screw the rules, they multiply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      If you screw the rules, they multiply.
      ^^ better remember this
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