Would *you* ever pay to sign up for an Affiliate Program?

by uleesgold Banned
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I personally wouldn't. It makes it sound really fishy.

Swom is an example of an affiliate program which makes you pay to be able to receive payments for referrals that you make. I'm not suggesting that they probably don't, it just seems really unnecessary.

The website for Swom is just Swom dot com , I didn't hyperlink it because I didn't want it to look like it might be my affiliate link for it (would look stupid since I talked bad about it lol)
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A side comment which kind of relates to this-
Don't you hate those sites that say "Is Product X a scam? find out the truth!"
Some even title their review "Product X is a scam" while promoting the affiliate link for it . . . sad
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#affiliate #pay #program #sign
  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Probably not!

    Unless they had some crazy good affiliate training, products, and other exclusive content...

    Yea, I really wouldn't pay for being an affiliate....like you said, it looks a little scammy.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I probably wouldn't, unless it came with some extra added value beyond just the ability to promote the products in question!

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  • Profile picture of the author Barna
    You should never pay to play.
    The problem with most claims on sites is that they are simply false and when the obvious question is asked "Why do you need me when you are making so much" you generally get a response of "I just want to put to put something back".And the 3 bears !
    In a way there are many affilaites who pay all the time since they often promote a product incurring expenditure even if it's only the monthly broadband fee.You are working for someone for nothing until a sale is made.
    I met Soren Jordansen & Cindy Battye who created CB Pirate at a conference last Saturday in London and they were basically offering 10 ready made member ship sites plus he would help you develop your own clickbank product and he also offered an iphone tablet all for £1,700 odd.Hmmm... no thanks but they are genuine people who have created massive lists.A few people ran to the back of the hall to sign up but again they must realise it's bigger bucks to sell at seminars.Launching your own clickbank product seems a great idea but it better be good otherwise you'll get low gravity.
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  • Profile picture of the author commercee
    Nope. Why would I pay to promote someone. Sounds like those pyramid schemes, where you pay up front. BAWH
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    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      If I absolutely KNEW it would make me money...then sure.

      How would that be any different than buying PLR or Resell Rights to a product and then reselling it?

      Problem is, making affiliates pay to promote hurts product owners because they will attract fewer affiliates. However, if a company was concerned about the image of their product and how it would be marketed by affiliates...then making affiliates pay might make sense because it would weed out the bad affiliates and only give access to those serious with their marketing efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateC
    Never... If they are super reputable and have a great track record of paying super high commissions then maybe. But if you can't allow me to chow my credentials and let me sell your products we really don't need to be doing business.
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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      I depends on the program, how beneficial it is to you and your willingness to pay to promote.
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      • Profile picture of the author laurie390
        I don't think so. There are so many free ones, so unless it something that I just absolutely loved and wanted to promote, I"d have to say no. There's no reason for someone to charge you to bring them sales and traffic.
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        • Profile picture of the author theemperor
          Only if I was confident it is not a pyramid

          EG warriorplus requires you to pay and I've joined that one
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Would *you* ever pay to sign up for an Affiliate Program?
    Not in this lifetime. No. Nadda.
    I'd put together my own warehouse before I ever paid a cent to work for someone else.
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  • That's ridiculous. Why should I have to pay when I'm making them money?
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      The only correct answer is "it depends". Anyone claiming they would never do it under any circumstances is foolish at best, and probably isn't someone you should take business advice from.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        I don't care for the idea of paying to be an affiliate but I do pay to affiliate with WSO Pro and it's well worth it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Anyone claiming they would never do it under any circumstances is foolish at best, and probably isn't someone you should take business advice from.
        I agree with this.

        There's at least one very well-known, very successful, highly respected Warrior here who operates his affiliate system on the basis that affiliates pay something (maybe $20 per month? I can't remember, now) in exchange for which they get 100% commission on the initial product(s) they sell to any customer.

        It's a "different perspective", certainly, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work out well for all concerned, provided that (as in his case) the business is very well-established, the products very well-known and highly recommended, the entire reputation first-class and all the rest of it.

        His products all happen to be in a niche in which I'm not involved, myself, so I'm not an affiliate. But in principle I wouldn't hesitate because of the payment, if I were interested in promoting them. And to be very blunt, I'm finding some of the replies above pretty narrow-minded.

        Instantly to dismiss a clearly successful, well-established, perfectly respectable business model out of hand as "ridiculous" is ... well, ridiculous. (Or at least, it might be followed up, one would hope, with an "Oops: I hadn't quite thought it through and/or hadn't realised that".)
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        • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I agree with this.

          There's at least one very well-known, very successful, highly respected Warrior here who operates his affiliate system on the basis that affiliates pay something (maybe $20 per month? I can't remember, now) in exchange for which they get 100% commission on the initial product(s) they sell to any customer.

          It's a "different perspective", certainly, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work out well for all concerned, provided that (as in his case) the business is very well-established, the products very well-known and highly recommended, the entire reputation first-class and all the rest of it.

          His products all happen to be in a niche in which I'm not involved, myself, so I'm not an affiliate. But in principle I wouldn't hesitate because of the payment, if I were interested in promoting them. And to be very blunt, I'm finding some of the replies above pretty narrow-minded.

          Instantly to dismiss a clearly successful, well-established, perfectly respectable business model out of hand as "ridiculous" is ... well, ridiculous. (Or at least, it might be followed up, one would hope, with an "Oops: I hadn't quite thought it through and/or hadn't realised that".)
          there are some exceptions to a lot of things, but when it comes to joining certain kinds of programs online its a good generalization.

          (for example- Google Adwords. But some people have even called that a scam before even though everyone knows what google is.)
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by uleesgold View Post

            when it comes to joining certain kinds of programs online its a good generalization.
            Yes, I don't disagree with you there (but you weren't asking specifically about "certain kinds of programs online" - you just said "an affiliate program").

            So I agree with BHC above: "it depends" is the only answer here, really. For me, anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I agree with this.

          There's at least one very well-known, very successful, highly respected Warrior here who operates his affiliate system on the basis that affiliates pay something (maybe $20 per month? I can't remember, now) in exchange for which they get 100% commission on the initial product(s) they sell to any customer.

          It's a "different perspective", certainly, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work out well for all concerned, provided that (as in his case) the business is very well-established, the products very well-known and highly recommended, the entire reputation first-class and all the rest of it.

          His products all happen to be in a niche in which I'm not involved, myself, so I'm not an affiliate. But in principle I wouldn't hesitate because of the payment, if I were interested in promoting them. And to be very blunt, I'm finding some of the replies above pretty narrow-minded.

          Instantly to dismiss a clearly successful, well-established, perfectly respectable business model out of hand as "ridiculous" is ... well, ridiculous. (Or at least, it might be followed up, one would hope, with an "Oops: I hadn't quite thought it through and/or hadn't realised that".)
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          • Profile picture of the author Dana Goetz
            Nah there is no reason too. There are so many free affiliate programs out there that itwould have to be this amazing deal to get anyone to pay. Just my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Oh yeah, there are lots of stupid suckers that pay millions of dollars to join an affiliate program such as McDonalds, and others in fast food, restaurants, retail stores, hotels, trucking stations, spas, hospitals ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    I think I would pay for the wso pro affiliate program because I do have a list of from warrior forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Allen
    Always wondered what the thinking behind charging affiliates was. Is it to see how serious they are or just for the vendor/agent to make a few more bucks?

    The fact that Warrior Plus charges actually put me off joining.

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Joining most of the "free" affiliate programs can be very costly if you don't know what you're doing. Particularly in the early stages, your marketing investment is as steep as your learning curve. That is why the "franchise" or "MLM" model is so much more successful; with a proven, cookie-cutter system. Evaluation of an opportunity should be based on expected risk vs ROI, not only cost of entry. But, that's just me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        I can't really think of many situations where I would when there are already so many free affiliate programs to choose from. There would have to be some big benefits that go along with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dougp
      Originally Posted by David Allen View Post

      Always wondered what the thinking behind charging affiliates was. Is it to see how serious they are or just for the vendor/agent to make a few more bucks?

      The fact that Warrior Plus charges actually put me off joining.

      David
      Yeah, but im pretty sure Mike doesnt get any money from the sales affiliates make (someone can correct me if im wrong). So, if he is going to waste multiple of hours of implementing something without getting nothing in return then he is a really rare person.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Allen
        Originally Posted by dougp View Post

        Yeah, but im pretty sure Mike doesnt get any money from the sales affiliates make (someone can correct me if im wrong). So, if he is going to waste multiple of hours of implementing something without getting nothing in return then he is a really rare person.
        Hi Doug

        I'm sure Mike makes a percentage on sales though, so any increase in sales will benefit him. Maybe I'm wrong.

        Agree with Dean that in this case affiliates know what they are getting and many ARE profitting from it. Just suprised me that they were charging to join.

        Never say never is the key but it does make you wonder why they do it - are they seperating the wheat from the chaff?

        David
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    My initial thought was No. Absolutely not...

    Sounds to much like MLM...you need to buy their products or buy a kit in order to sell.

    But there are exceptions to every rule As Tina Golden stated and Trieu explained..

    How can you say no to this:

    I think I would pay for the wso pro affiliate program because I do have a list of from warrior forum.
    Most likely not...but in a special situation: absolutely.

    Well stated Alexa Smith.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I pay to be a WSO PRO affiliate... One sale a month recoups the cost though... I actually joined for the stats as a vendor though
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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    I agree that Incansoft is very unique in it's structure and would be the exception to the rule.

    I have a review site for a niche product that I've promoted for several years now and there's one company (supposedly the "upscale brand") that actually charges affiliates $80.00 to join their program. I see several of my competitors have ponied up but I just can't bring myself to do it.

    It's not the $$, it's the principle. I get requests daily from companies asking to be on my site. Part of the premise of Affiliate Marketing is that the producers of those products are passing along part of their marketing "costs" to me as well as part of their earnings. They're already saving money by having affiliates (if they're doing it right). I'm not going to cut them an additional check for good measure.

    I never take free products for reviews and I'm not going to pay to be an affiliate for someone - aside from the many dollars that I spend monthly promoting my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author armadillo
    Not in a million years. There are just too many "free" affiliate programs out there I can lose money on already...
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  • Profile picture of the author IMGirl82
    Maybe. Only because how would you know how to to promote that affiliate program in an honest way if you haven't even tried it out for yourself?
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    • Profile picture of the author skibbz
      Affiliate program requesting interim payment should raise red flag, the whole point is that you will make money for them by getting their product sold they will make all that money overtime.. there is no need for upfront charges:p
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      • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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        Originally Posted by skibbz View Post

        Affiliate program requesting interim payment should raise red flag, the whole point is that you will make money for them by getting their product sold they will make all that money overtime.. there is no need for upfront charges:p
        I agree that it raises a red flag. To charge a user legitimately, they can take a certain percentage of the sale out. Its also fine to charge a monthly fee or whatever, one in which its taken from the commission rather than making the user pay up for it to be possible to receive commission.
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Hi:

    Shireen here :-)

    I wouldn't pay for any affiliate program.

    There are lots of great products out there which I can promote for FREE :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author spudnick
    Never.

    If the seller needs to recoup costs through fees slugged on affiliates, it really makes me wonder how optimistic they are about the product they are actually selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author incliner
    Every business decision should be based on risk/reward and if the reward is great enough and the risk is a few bucks, why not?
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    • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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      Originally Posted by incliner View Post

      Every business decision should be based on risk/reward and if the reward is great enough and the risk is a few bucks, why not?
      I've considered small exceptions like investing a small amount of money in one of those programs in which you "must pay for it to be possible to get paid" as long as tons of people say good things about it (people promoting the affiliate link wouldn't count obviously)

      Swom is an example of one of these programs. While I believe you can make money off of it, it looks like you're paying $15/month to be part of a big, well known content farm.

      This site is boring- it seems like people spew out their affiliate links and say over and over again "happy swomming" "have a very golden day" etc
      "Gold" refers to the golden membership which you have to pay for.

      I'd prefer not to pay money to join a bunch of brainless content farmers.
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  • Profile picture of the author dean_holland
    Just read through the above comments... I wont single any one single person out but to those that have stated some form of resounding 'NO WAY' / 'AS IF' / 'NOT EVER' answer are way off the mark.

    I don't mean that in any offensive way but I think you've possibly been a little narrow-minded in your answer.

    As also mentioned above the only true and REAL answer is 'it all depends on the program'

    Many have already dropped it's name and it's the most appropriate here - the WarriorPlus site that WF members use to sell their WSOs.

    That has an affiliate program that enables vendors to have affiliates promote their WSO.

    It costs about $4 a month to join the affiliate program and be able to prmote WSOs.

    Are many of you saying above in your answers that you would never join such program? If so YOU'RE the crazy one!

    I wont drop figures but let's just say for my $4 ( and MANY other warriors ) I'm not complaining, in fact I'm profiting MASSIVELY.

    Now let's flip it...

    Would I pay to be part of a program that would only release my money when I joined - NO

    Would I pay to join an affiliate program that had some weird conditions on me getting my money - NO

    Common sense right?

    Hopefully my reply hasn't offended anyone but instead helped some people.

    Don't be so sharp to blow something away becuase you misjudge it :-)

    Some of the greatest things in life and in online business come from making investments into it... Just be wise to the decisions you make and always make well informed decisions :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author bitriot
    From my perspective, if the affiliate network had access to a specific product I wanted to promote that other networks did not, I would do it sure. I would think of the fee as a small price to pay to limit the competition on the product from other Affiliates who refuse to pay the fee on principle.
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  • Profile picture of the author CheapTrafficDude
    It's not the first time I see something like it, to me it's just asinine. An affiliate is a private promoter who gets hired for his/her promotion services and get paid in form of commissions. To me that would be like having to pay to show up for work, like a cover charge to do a job; in a *nudy* bar that's acceptable because some go there just to get their "thrill" and drink ice water and never spend a dime.

    I'd never pay to promote something UNLESS it was big ticket items that paid a lot like real estate, exotic car, big rigs, euclids, heavy equipment, CNC's, private jets... Stuff that even at a 1% commission would give out dandy paychecks. For example, you promote euclids that cost 6-7 figures, even at 1% even if you sell one would give you... Well, you get the picture THAT would be worth paying a monthly fee to promote.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steelman
      It would depend on many things; the offer, the payout, the support, the value, the training, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    One thing to check is it even legal to charge to be an affiliate - in many jurisdictions its not legal unless you create a franchise - which costs $$$ in legal fees. Just because many people do charge doesn't mean they are legally doing it. The laws are so different between counties, states, and nations that its a slippery slope at best - so even if you're inclined to pay to play - you need to make sure you're covered from any liability. IANAL, but I guess the most liabilities are with the vendor since they could be held accountable for whatever the affiliates do to get their cash - but as an affiliate you can have liability too.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        I'm guessing Alexa, you're talking about our affiliate program at ________
        Yes, I was, Mike. I remembered your name, of course, but didn't remember the name of your company when I wrote my post above, so I decided I could get away with referring to you as "at least one well-known Warrior who ... etc. etc."

        Many thanks for your helpful, clarifying posts in the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    I only know multilevel marketing you have to pay to play. Never heard of an affiliate program that requires you to pay.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Allen
    BigMike - that's a great explanation and answers what I was asking too

    Thanks for sharing.

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author LiemNguyen
    They should pay me to promote for them, not the other way around!
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    • Profile picture of the author bmarketer
      I think what many people may not realize with this question is that when paying to be an affiliate is not just you paying the program or person to promote their product to just get them profits.

      First of all, with the good affiliate programs that you would have to pay for they will have resources and continued training that you are paying for as well as the ability to profit from their product as well. So yes, if you are smart about it you can probably profit more from paying to be an a affiliate for the right product than you can from the countless free affiliate programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charliebee
    SWOM isn't really an affiliate program. It is a pyramid because you aren't being paid for a sale so much as paying for the opportunity to scam someone else. Typical MLM scheme. Nothing is being sold by the company which makes it a pyramid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Carczak
    Pay? Sure, why not?

    Would you pay to be a McDonalds affiliate? (they call them "franchises" ...not affiliates).

    People have been paying to be affiliates / franchises for years and getting rich doing so. Only on the internet is an affiliate spot free. And as a result, look how many affiliates it takes to find 1 good one that is worth supporting?

    When there's a product with wealth creating potential, you would be a fool not to pay to be an affiliate to sell it. There are a LOT of caveats to this position of course as there are too many crappy franchises er, ah, affiliate programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    I had never heard of swom, but just took a look. Technically, you aren't paying to be an affiliate. You are paying to join the site, and one of the benefits of membership is the affiliate program. That is not at all uncommon, especially in the make money online world. The affiliate programs for many membership sites are open to paying members only.

    I'm not saying I would join swom. I'm just saying what they are doing is not unusual.

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    • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      I had never heard of swom, but just took a look. Technically, you aren't paying to be an affiliate. You are paying to join the site, and one of the benefits of membership is the affiliate program. That is not at all uncommon, especially in the make money online world. The affiliate programs for many membership sites are open to paying members only.

      I'm not saying I would join swom. I'm just saying what they are doing is not unusual.

      John
      I knew that about Swom, but thanks for clarifying.
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  • Oh hells no would I ever pay for an affiliate program! Sounds sketchy to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author deehunts
      I believe a lot of people are forgetting the fact that they begin paying to do affiliate marketing from their very first day. Like many others, I started out purchasing programs to study the materials and find out how I could make all kinds of money by getting this "Product" that was going to teach me how to be an affiliate marketer. I don't know about you, but I feel like that is absolutely paying to play. The fact that there are programs now that has integrated some network marketing principles within the affiliate marketing arena, only makes your arsenal as an affiliate marketer that much better. If you go around pointing your finger and calling everything that charges you a SCAM. Then you are going to have to take all those fingers back and turn them around to yourself. There are so many of you that are out here creating products to sell to the "newbie", so that you can be at the top of your "Pyramid". I am not a negative person so I am not knocking you for creating a product that is going to help some people. But if you are going to now turn around and say that a program essentially doing the same thing is a SCAM. That is just out right hypocritical. I am not trying to offend anyone from what I am saying, but lets be real here. The point is, if it is legal and there is a good opportunity to make money. Why would you call yourself crazy to do it?....
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamLark
    I would normally say no but Warrior Plus requires it be be an affiliate small monthly subscription
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  • Profile picture of the author KenB
    Depends..

    Most likely no.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    It would have to depends on the affiliate program, the price and if it brings
    alot of value to the table. If the price is fair then i wouldn't have a problem
    with paying
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