Does Anyone Make Good Money NOT Selling Products on How To Make Money?

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After looking at lots of different threads over many months it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

This makes me uneasy.

Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche? I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.

Are there any others? I don't want to know people's niche's but just to know that there are other genuine niche's other than pretending you are an IM guru to make money.

Many thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberws
    it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

    = = =

    That's because the Warrior forum is about making money - not health, not music, not gardening, etc. Yes, there are lots of people making money outside the IM market - I'm one of them. I sell nothing in the make-money arena.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    It is a HUGE market and that is why so many sell in the make money online niche. The WSO section is almost all this. Almost all of the 'gurus' make their millions doing this and most of the time they are just preying on newbies looking for that 'dream'. Their sales videos are convincing to the untrained and thus they make sale after sale.


    I make a good living online WITHOUT selling products on how to make money online.

    A service is a good way... it is related to making money online but you are not selling people methods or ideas on how to make money online in most cases but providing them the things they need to make money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author tritrain
    Yes.

    Most people that I know make their money via affiliate marketing and ads. The best affiliates tend to be Amazon, Ebay, CJ, and perhaps Linkshare. You find a niche by doing keyword research and testing, build a site or page, write about your niche (which includes product links, etc sprinkled carefully throughout), and try to bring in visitors. That's it.

    Others build a site about a topic or with some cool features, then they slowly build up the number of visitors. Thus they get money from advertising.

    I do know of some IM's that tout certain techniques for attracting visitors and building niches. Those are the ones that I would tend to follow personally.
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    • Profile picture of the author taffie
      I think it's because that's how most people get started with online business and find it difficult to move away from it, perhaps for the same fears that you are having.

      General people are lazy to be creative, maybe lazy may not be the word, but we seem not to be able to think of other niches.

      Most niches do make money, the question is how, the more unique your niche the better sometimes, as long as you have done your research and seen that there is some demand.
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  • Profile picture of the author JWatson
    Yes there are people who make quite good money promoting goods/services in different niches.

    I know several of them; their current income and how long it took them to get to that point.

    Your general comment though is exactly the one that caused me to look long and hard at taking on this business.

    There is a lot of junk around. It sells (at least once.) There is an endless market of people who want to believe they can put in 4 hours or 40 and never "work" again.

    The people I know who are successful have worked steadily and persistently and have built sustaining businesses, none of which are part of the "how to make money" niche or the other niches you mentioned.

    The biggest challenge I've found was sorting out who to trust.

    I found it helpful to take my time, to read posts and see over time which members are consistently reasonable, logical and honestly sensible in their comments and advice.

    While I do agree the majority of marketing "stuff" streaming through the air is how to make money, it does not mean at all that that is the only way or even necessarily the best way to generate a good income.

    There will be a bias in any forum talking about IM toward "talking-up" the money to be made by buying the latest make-money-this-way method.

    If my niche is cucumber-slicers I could be making lots of money (well...probably not that niche :p) but I am not going to be telling people how much money I make in any specific niche other than the make money niche which is more product promotion than sharing "helpful" information.

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    • Profile picture of the author Xavier Xu
      Let me tell you this:

      The 'make money' niche can be lucrative (esp. with so many people promising the 'magic bullet').

      But in my experience (I have products in 3 niches that are not money-making related), the number of prospects in the business niche can't even hold a candle to some mass market niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I flip websites, sell domains, set up Google News sites. Since I do actually flip sites and work with Google news sites, I also have ebooks on those topics.
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    • Profile picture of the author leclaims
      Absolutely. There are a lot of people that make great money selling physical products, offering services not related to IM, and participating in plenty of other income generating activities.

      Making money online is just one popular niche out of thousands that warriors can choose from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Who Says
    I was wondering that too! I have a physical product that I make and was looking for a proper way to market it off of third party sites (like eBay) and it seems I keep coming across affiliate marketing or blog focused marketing. That doesn't work well with what I do since it's my own direct product and there's nothing really to blog about on a regular basis. I've found a few things about how to get links and promotion, but as I said a good portion of it is about affiliates/clickbank type stuff.

    Also, the title of the post is what caught my attention. I always told my family that the quickest way to make money is to tell others how to make money. It still holds true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    People are really desperate now because of the state of the economy which is why all of this crap is emerging promising people that they can make “tens of thousands of dollars” within the next 15-20 minutes doing practically “nothing.” I prefer to stay away from promoting crap like this, and focus on marketing things that help people who are currently running their own online businesses or would like to be. I make good money in the dating niche as well as other niches in addition to what I do actually offer in the home business/self employment niche if there is such a thing in the technical sense.

    It’s hell being an employee these days as the ball rest entirely in the employer’s court. Employers are constantly exploiting their employees threatening to replace them with a person and/or machine who will do their job “better, faster, cheaper and with fewer benefits.” That said , these people come online looking to reclaim their independence and in turn end up being exploited by sleazy, underhanded people passing themselves off as marketers who give those of us who run ethical, legitimate businesses a bad name.
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      My most profitable sites are in niches which have got nothing to do with making money whatsoever.

      Having said that, I'm not sure what the big fuss about the IM Advice/MMO niche is.

      To me, it's always been just another responsive niche out of many that are out there.

      Most successful people in this niche have no problem selling in other responsive niches, and vice versa.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    I personally resent make money products. No offense to anyone. I am actually tempted to create one..

    I am tempted to create one because I LOVE marketing and sometimes want to teach it. But I am QUITE POSITIVE that many people, including MOST of the gurus, make BY FAR most of their money in this incestuous niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche?
    Yes, there's an enormous number of us, both "out there" and "in here".

    In forums like this one, you'll see the "IM-advice" and "make money online" niches disproportionately discussed for the simple reason that they are, collectively and for obvious reasons, the kind of markets which people who are members here typically don't keep quiet about, regarding their own involvement in them and income derived from them.

    In all the "non-IM/MMO niches", most people don't disclose their niches, so there's a lot less discussion.

    Appearances can be deceptive, in other words.

    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.
    It depends what you mean by "saturated".

    The "avoid recurrences of inflammatory temporomandibulitis" niche is not saturated because it's in a healthcare market and "health products are saturated". This thinking confuses niches with markets.

    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    Are there any others?
    Thousands.

    Really thousands: I'm not meaning "hundreds" and exaggerating.

    Just because "IM-advice" and "MMO" are the markets you hear about all the time, don't make the mistake of imagining that those are the markets in which most of us are involved. It doesn't work that way at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author ginak59
    I collect old issues of "Popular Science" from 1930s through the 60s. The back ad section of these always has at least 25 "Moneymaking Opportunities", mostly asking to send some money for a book of ...... moneymaking opportunities. I bet if we went back to the stone age, there would be some guy selling some method for hunting meat without having to go out and hunt. He probably ended up being well fed!

    Personally I stay away from anything I wouldn't use myself or sell to a friend, plain and simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Well, Alexa has summed it up better than I can, as always .

      I've been doing this for 7 years and I'm in a number of niches.

      None are make money online, a fair amount, I imagine some people haven't even heard of and if you have, you're not marketing in them, which is how I like it.

      Making money on line is a tiny proportion of the niches this entire world has to offer and there are new ones appearing every day.

      I believe the expression is something along the lines of "Think outside the box" (the box being this forum )
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      • Profile picture of the author shadowboxa
        Yes Agreed. I love how someone will sell their million dollar plan for $29. I was once a victim of this. So many IMs have no integrity.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    I haven't really made any money from "make money" stuff. I just listed my first WSO in about 5 years (for my wife)...but other than that, I don't really do anything in that niche.

    I've sold 7-figures worth of NON "make money" products and have been fully employed by my online efforts for years now with a good income.

    You get that vibe HERE, because...this is a forum about making money.

    If you can sell to this crowd, there is immense opportunity (I should probably make an effort). But if not, it's quite honestly easier to be in so many other markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author uleesgold
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    I market a few different products which happen to convert well, none of which are about making money.
    ( I won't be specific about it right now because I don't want to create competition )

    the 'money making' products all *appear* to be scammy not to say that they are. that's just the vibe they give off.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    After looking at lots of different threads over many months it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

    This makes me uneasy.
    Why? It doesn't surprise me that much, really.

    "Internet marketing" has a relatively low barrier of entry and usually requires no formal qualifications from accredited institutions and/or awarding bodies, of those who would like to engage in it.

    It doesn't surprise me that one of the more popular mediums through which to seek out and undergo one's education on the subject is the internet itself. Where there are huge quantities of people scouring the 'net for IM-related information, learning materials and tools, there is inevitably going to be a copious, ongoing supply of products/services to meet that demand.

    An internet marketing forum like this is a prime place through which these products/services can be marketed, and that is why high proportion of the topics discussed, products offered and advice given is specific to this subject-area.

    You are right, however: a lot of people do make their money not so much by "doing" as they do by teaching. But the same could be said of a lot of people in other industries, too.

    The main concern for me isn't so much in an individual's choice to teach instead of do, but in the question of "do they actually know enough about what they're teaching/selling to be in a position to effectively educate others on the subject, and do them a service as opposed to a disservice?"

    That, admittedly, is sometimes an issue.

    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche?
    Yes. I've never made any money in the "make money online" niche, and have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future. Many of the people who I know, and whose advice I respect the most, are also not (or at least rarely) involved in the "make money online"/"internet marketing" niches.

    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.
    Competitive - yes; saturated - not by any means, in my opinion.

    Probably not niches/markets that newbies would be well advised to enter, however.

    If you want to see internet marketers selling "real products to real people", then surf the web as you would a general consumer - not as someone on an IM forum who is looking to learn about IM, and who - for all these reasons - is inevitably going to encounter a bucket-load of people selling/discussing stuff related to just that.
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    Are there any others? I don't want to know people's niche's but just to know that there are other genuine niche's other than pretending you are an IM guru to make money.
    The vast majority of people who purchase products online do not purchase MMO products or services and they never will.

    The truth is, Make Money Online is actually fairly small and nowhere near the most profitable online money making niche.

    You have a skewed impression of online marketing because you spend too much time reading marketing forums and blogs.

    Once you step away from internet marketing forums and blogs where the owners and community make a living selling Make Money Online products and services you'll realize that the MMO niche isn't anywhere near king of the online sales mountain.

    However, this whole thread is a sham since the OP only started it to drop a couple of sig links.
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  • Profile picture of the author dialseo
    I like setting up mini niche sites. I let them run for a while, add content and manage them as necessary, then sell as AdSense sites or hold onto them for my own residuals.
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      • Profile picture of the author ladywriter
        Originally Posted by jscupa View Post

        I would stick to this(flipping websites).. Selling domains is a very fine skill and you have to be a hell of a marketer. I have done it with moderate success. Hard market to appraise and predict.

        Hope this helps some clueless newbie out there
        It does, I'm considering both domain and site flipping but you've kind of crystallized what I've been thinking about domain flipping.

        Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author edakehurst
    Yes, I make most of my money doing online services for local businesses, such as web design, SEO, content publication, mobile sites, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      Sure - we make more than half of our income (more like 3/4) from niche markets outside of business or marketing niches.

      We only entered the marketing niche when people started asking for information on how we ran our other businesses.

      In fact, I get requests each week to help one business or another (either offline to online, or to improve existing online businesses) that I turn down because my other businesses would suffer.

      To me, the only people that should be marketing IM, internet marketing or business training are those that have or are currently gathering first-hand experience and share that through their MM products.

      There are so many opportunities out there...

      - Information products in the personal development, health, hobby, relationship niches which contain thousands of sub-niches each.

      - Affiliate marketing for nearly any product you can think of that is in-demand, become an expert at finding demand and matching that with valueable front-end websites to earn a portion of the sale putting yourself between the demand and suppliers

      - Take an offline business online - guys like Gary Vaynerchuck who took his Wine Retail Store online and is building a fortune from his own web business

      - E-commerce where you sell wholesale or your own licensed products to a hungry market. Think exercise equipment, yoga supplies, train parts, remote-control models, etc....

      Of course if you hang out on the Warrior Forum you are going to see a lot of great discussion around IM and business - but that doesn't mean there isn't a ton of money being made in other niches.

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  • Profile picture of the author Stevenp6
    Thanks for all the replies.

    I suspected as much, but great to have it confirmed that good money can be earned in more ethical markets. (Not that I'm accusing anyone here of being unethical)

    I have been to seminars and bought many MMO courses and all they seem to promote is making money online doing the same thing as they are.

    Time to get my thinking hat on!
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  • Profile picture of the author moreno
    hi Moreno here ,I guess one of the the answer could be that even peoples who are not tech savy bur have some how a website selling off-line products they need some knowledge to rank in google otherwise you are nobody , nowhere. I personally had a site selling olive wood products ( phisical items!) and to reach # 1 in google i had at certain point to learn how to, that's probably when i come in contact with all the " make money" stuff. For sure today many peoples are earing story of become rich via IM in a short period , and as everybody already said, that's where most of the "gurus" get them fish. Illusion of become rich quick by finding "the secret code ""the six click away from your dream life" and so on is hitting hard ,leaving people more frustrated then with the usual 9to 5 job , and with much less money in the pocket. As somebody said is not gonna end soon as long as the will be peoples believing this crap the will be someone to feed them. To answer to your question : yes you can make a lot of money outsite IM market "make money" by selling service to help peoples solving them problem , try self -confidence, interior design,or go see yahoo answer to have a pick about peoples problems. Again if you own a blog or if you are into social ,like FB, ther's a lot to sell into this kind of market , software etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve L
      i had been making a full-time living for the better part of the last 15 months by selling a service instead of selling a product. so the answer to your question is yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrencewan
    There are just too many niches other than
    products on how to made money,
    so it really depends on what you are
    passion about and focus on it,
    i can assure you will made good money
    promoting what you are good at.

    I have several friends into other
    niches, they are doing very well.

    So stick on to your heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanMurray
    Interesting post,

    I think to some extent you may be right that the marketing online world is not quite as limitless as we like to think sometimes. Some will tell you you can set up a site on second hand knitted tea cosies (Im from England:]) and if you have it on page one of google you will make money. I can tell you this isn't true. I make the majority of my money from the IM niche but you are best to stick to the markets that are already proven. As for saturation i think its a load of crap, if there are new customers entering the niche everyday then there are constant new opportunities for marketers including yourself to get into these time-tested proven markets.

    Daniel Murray
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      IM is relatively just a very small crowded niche. But this marketing method is what really has created far greater wealth in other niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neddy
    I never really made any money in the IM niche, buit I did make some in traditional products and services.
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  • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
    Sure - thousands of people do and I'm also one of them. But my opinion of the term "Internet Marketing" might be a little different. I consider IM a "process" - not an "industry" in and of itself. Why?

    Because if you have a business on the Internet, you must market it in order to be successful. So you are in fact marketing on the Internet, i.e., you have to literally DO Internet Marketing in order to get your business found online. Make sense?

    So while a lot of the "IM gurus" have sites that are about "how to make money online," we out here that don't have sites that have to do with how to make money online still have to do "Internet Marketing" in order to be successful.

    Want to see A LOT of other websites in thousands of industries besides how to make money online that are top of the line successful sites in service industries, product industries, inforpreneur industries, etc., then click here and browse around.

    I just added a new post about what I think "IM" is about. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Oh god, I'd go broke if all I did was market to the IM crowd! One of my biggest core biz's is offline marketing for an online world. It has nothing to do with Internet Marketing Make Money products, but more along the lines of opening up offline advertisers to areas online they may have never thought of before.

    Virtual real estate is a great business to be in.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    As their former ghostwriter, I can tell you that the make money products are icing on the already sweet cake for the gurus I worked for (John Reese, Ewen Chia, Travis Sago, Rich Schefren, etc...)

    They worked in all sorts of niche. Travis is even open about his dating niche. Others made bank in baby naming (one guru ordered 12, 50-page ebooks from me on that topic alone!), wedding planning, credit repair, etc.

    BUT...hell, once you know how to do it, why NOT share the workings and make MORE money? Never known a person yet to say they had too much...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      one guru ordered 12, 50-page ebooks from me on that topic alone!
      Wow ... if you can produce to order twelve 50-page e-books about baby-naming, that certainly gives the lie to all the people saying "there just isn't enough to write about", about various niches! :p
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    • Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      As their former ghostwriter, I can tell you that the make money products are icing on the already sweet cake for the gurus I worked for (John Reese, Ewen Chia, Travis Sago, Rich Schefren, etc...)

      They worked in all sorts of niche. Travis is even open about his dating niche. Others made bank in baby naming (one guru ordered 12, 50-page ebooks from me on that topic alone!), wedding planning, credit repair, etc.

      BUT...hell, once you know how to do it, why NOT share the workings and make MORE money? Never known a person yet to say they had too much...
      How did that go for you? A breeze, or a challenge?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    A lot of people on these type of sites will be looking to sell that type of product. If you were to go on a bodybuilding forum, you'd most likely see people who are successful in marketing that sort of product online. That's just the way it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthmyers
    I think this is a pretty good FREE outline:

    1. Choose A Market & Niche (Something Your Knowledgeable In And Feel Comfortable Teaching Other People About)

    2. Build a Blog (Not Going To Teach You How... Google/Youtube It.)

    3. Create a Lead Generation Product (Something You Give Away For Free In Exchange For An Email Address - A Free Video or Written Report)

    4. Write A Ton Of High Quality Blog Posts

    5. Build Your Email List On Your Blog (Not Teaching You How... Google/Youtube How to Use Aweber/Constant Contact/etc)

    6. Get Traffic To Your Blog
    - Youtube
    - Articles
    - Being a valuable forum member
    - Blog Commenting
    - Guest Blog Posts
    - Interviews
    - Podcasts
    - Yahoo Answers

    7. As your email list grows occasionally send them promotional emails

    8. Find hole in your market and fill it... (create a product)

    9. Write Sales Copy For Your Product

    10. Get Traffic To Your Sales Letter
    - All Of The Above Steps
    - Paid Traffic
    - Affiliates
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by anthmyers View Post

      I think this is a pretty good FREE outline:

      1. Choose A Market & Niche (Something Your Knowledgeable In And Feel Comfortable Teaching Other People About)

      2. Build a Blog (Not Going To Teach You How... Google/Youtube It.)

      3. Create a Lead Generation Product (Something You Give Away For Free In Exchange For An Email Address - A Free Video or Written Report)

      4. Write A Ton Of High Quality Blog Posts

      5. Build Your Email List On Your Blog (Not Teaching You How... Google/Youtube How to Use Aweber/Constant Contact/etc)

      6. Get Traffic To Your Blog
      - Youtube
      - Articles
      - Being a valuable forum member
      - Blog Commenting
      - Guest Blog Posts
      - Interviews
      - Podcasts
      - Yahoo Answers

      7. As your email list grows occasionally send them promotional emails

      8. Find hole in your market and fill it... (create a product)

      9. Write Sales Copy For Your Product

      10. Get Traffic To Your Sales Letter
      - All Of The Above Steps
      - Paid Traffic
      - Affiliates

      man that is an awesome post. Follow this and if you cant make money with this there is soemthing seriously wrong with you. I do this but outsource most of it these days. Can go and screw off down teh beach and have fun...then just manage my team. Gotta love making money online
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  • Profile picture of the author sprks79
    I am actually in a few different niche. Fitness, Home Improvement, and Debt Reduction/Management are my bigger online ventures. Offline I am in the Finance and Business Startup area. I avoided the IM niche like the plague. Plenty of money to be made there, just not my area of interest. Virtually any niche can make you a good income. IM niche is one of the current largest, and saturated around. I'm glad I'm not in it.
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        Stop posting this in every thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    define "good money". Yes, selling as an IMer to other IMers can be very tough.

    As a rule, any niche which provides a SOLUTION to a hungry audience is good, health is very good...so is solutions for PC problems. I am making some bucks in those niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Wow ... if you can produce to order twelve 50-page e-books about baby-naming, that certainly gives the lie to all the people saying "there just isn't enough to write about", about various niches! :p
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      How did that go for you? A breeze, or a challenge?
      It wasn't a challenge because this marketer had done research and found 12 specific ways to name your baby, so then I took that specific "way" and wrote a 50 page eBook for each one.

      It was a lucrative order $18,000
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        It was a lucrative order $18,000
        This is only right: I don't envisage you doing 50-page e-books at less than $1,500 per.
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      • Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

        It wasn't a challenge because this marketer had done research and found 12 specific ways to name your baby, so then I took that specific "way" and wrote a 50 page eBook for each one.

        It was a lucrative order $18,000
        I would hope so, even more so that you have the confidence to deliver on such an order with quality (I'd imagine), were you worried at any point?
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    I personally make a living from Adsense alone, so yes.
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    • Profile picture of the author sirtom
      Of course, I'm one of them.. I sell in both IM and non-IM niches and make money doing it.

      Saturation is really irrelevant as far as my experience is concerned. In fact, I prefer niches that are really competitive. Means there's more traffic there and with more competition there's more people buying/consuming information.

      Believe it or not, from the outside, the IM market is small compared to other industries like health/fitness. You just need to find a hole in the market and fill it, or help people solve problems they're having. And market your solution, put it in front of the people who need it.

      Also from my experience, selling to the IM niche is easier, but it all depends on your business model. The WF here is a huge built-in traffic generator, so it's easy to get traction on products faster.

      But something that may help you no matter what industry you're going into: the Interview model works very well. It's really powerful and can be templated out to really any niche you want to go into.

      Just my $0.02, but if you're struggling to make money online then you need to learn how to leverage resources that you don't necessarily have yet to build your own online assets.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
        Personally I have many more websites selling non IM products or advertising than I have IM sites.

        I also teach IM (or a specific part of it) and that makes me money too.

        I believe many newbies try to hit the " make money" niche and ultimately fail for the following reason.

        Regardless of all the other good reasons you should not be jumping into IM as start-up business the following is the biggest issue.

        Most IM products are sold from peoples lists. They are extrordinarily hard to sell via "natural traffic" blogs and websites. There are a few exceptions like selling via a forum like Warriors that is dedicated to making money, but really putting up a WSO is almost like mailing to a list.

        This is the normal newbies "model". Build a blog, rank your blog, get natural search traffic, sell product/advertise. This works very well for non-IM products. It does not however, in my experience, sell IM product.

        It may just be that any wannabee IMer signes up for so many lists and gets bombarded with so many offers that they just don't go looking or searching for products.

        For many if it's not on Clickbank it doesn't exist.

        So yes you can make money on non-IM products and in fact I highly recommend that is what you start doing. Cut your teeth on some stuff first, make a few dollars , learn a few marketing skills. Then if you want to get into IM you will be better equiped for a start.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Racine
    Hi Steven,

    I have several autoblog sites and a coupe of affiliate sites not related to the Make Money Online Niche. Although I am making some money from them, selling products makes much more. My product(s) are in the make money niche, but you can have a product in any niche.

    Here is the thing with saturated niches like dating and health: if there is a lot of competition, that is a GOOD thing. This means there are many, many buyers paying for this info. Do not discount them if you want to make some good money. Evergreen niches like those are golden!

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    • Profile picture of the author tijja
      Yes. I make a very good living and I am not in the IM niche. My very first site was about designer diapers and I made it just for fun. Two years later I was approached with an offer to buy it and walked away and bought myself a new car with cash. There are plenty of other profitable niches in the sea.

      If you mean your OWN products then I would answer that as a yes too. I have two e-cookbooks that I sell and while they are not making me rich... they were easy for me to put together and I sell a couple dozen a month. I have a coupe more planned for release in the Fall.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    Of course we do!

    Think of it this way: in IM some of the new products are likely to have a very limited shelf-life - 6-months to a year, 2 years max. But in very many of the non-IM niches many to most of the products are very likely to sell for decades to come.

    It's not as clear cut and well defined, though, as it might appear. Everybody needs the basics regardless of niche; and everybody needs to adapt to changes in technology as it comes online.

    And most importantly the same business and economic principles apply to both IM and non-IM marketers on the one hand and traditional brick-and-mortar start-ups: many of them simply aren't going to survive, and a relative handful are going to be wildly successful.

    Start-ups online are ridiculously affordable - and even if you fail miserably you can still salvage much of your financial investment by selling the business, website and domain name. You won't get your investment in time back, but you should have learned enough from it to do it significantly better the next time. And that, I think, is crucial - learning from your mistakes and trying again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    After looking at lots of different threads over many months it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

    This makes me uneasy.

    Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche? I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.

    Are there any others? I don't want to know people's niche's but just to know that there are other genuine niche's other than pretending you are an IM guru to make money.

    Many thanks.
    This is a good example on how someone can come to faulty conclusion based on simple, but incomplete observation. You have to remember, that the Make-Money-Online market, while lucrative and growing, is just a tiny drop in the over all ecommerce world bucket. It's a microcosm on what's out there.

    According to a wide variety of sources ranging from Entrepreneur Magazine, Jupiter Research, eMarketer, etc. there are far more people making money online selling products and services that have nothing to do with the MMO market.

    Markets that deal with health, fitness, dating, weight loss, etc. are not saturated. People tend to mistake high competition with saturation, but there are millionaires created every single day in these "saturated" niches. Why? Because they know how to market. They know how to bring a solution to a specific problem and know how to convert using the appropriate distribution channels. Look at Eben Pagan, aka David DeAngelo, the guy started in the dating niche from his 2 bedroom apartment and today he's a multi-millionaire because he built a business on solid fundamentals.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that the Warrior Forum is an even smaller drop in the bucket, so what you see here is not necessarily representative of anything.

    So to answer your inquiry, yes, there are plenty of people who make money online that have nothing to do with showing others how to do it. For every famous or well-known marketer you read about, there are literally thousands of others that you will never read or hear about simply because they do not market to opportunity seekers.

    If you pick up a subscription to Entrepreneur Magazine for just a year (it's cheap and worth every penny) you'll read about plenty of entreprenuers who make a living online; many of whom have a hybrid business model where they earn sales from their website as well as a store front of some kind. Many of them started the business right out of their home.

    I haven't had a job since 2001 and I've done it by providing products and services to a wide variety markets, then taking my profits and investing them. The first year online is always the toughest because you have to invest in learning marketing fundamentals and then applying them in the real world. But many newcomers tend to jump from one thing to the next, have no real plan, and neglect to do the basics such as test, track, and tweak their results. People tend to overestimate what they can accomplish in a year and underestimate what they can accomplish in 5 years.

    I'm not talking about learning a money-making system such as setting up a bunch of autoblogs or using advertising / cpa arbitrage and making money of the margins, I'm talking about building a real business on solid fundamentals - a business that can be around for decades to come or one that can be sold or donated to charity. With all the automation that is out there, it is very possible to do this, but you have to set it up correctly.

    There are dozens of ways to make money online and it all starts with the proper mindset because that is what will keep you focused on what needs to be done to start building a viable business.

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  • Profile picture of the author lukehunt
    I have a store with 500 products. Only a small percentage of sales are from how to make money online products. The majority are products that teach services like Fiveer, WordPress, ect. Another good portion is templates and scripts - all things build online businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author azhar99
    There are a lot of people that make great money selling physical products, offering services not related to IM, and participating in plenty of other income generating activities.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Yes.
    In fact selling products on Amazon by particular make and model can be very lucrative.
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  • Profile picture of the author H.Miller
    of course there are other markets that make good money. For instance, I sell a product that helps married couples have better sex and it sells like crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    A lot of people never bother to think outside the box. It's crazy how much money you can make as a marketer outside the Make Money niche. I know a lot of people who have marketing business on the internet outside of the Make Money niche that are making anywhere from $500,000 to $2,000,000 a year by themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      It's crazy how much money you can make as a marketer outside of IM techniques as well. Selling physical products as an Amazon affiliate for example can be more effectively done by mail, telephone, magazine ads, and mass media. Especially with the very high end products, it is often difficult using IM techniques alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Kobe
    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    After looking at lots of different threads over many months it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

    This makes me uneasy.

    Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche? I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.

    Are there any others? I don't want to know people's niche's but just to know that there are other genuine niche's other than pretending you are an IM guru to make money.

    Many thanks.
    Yes I have been building up a very successful drop-shipping company based on the help from forums like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
    I just wrote a post about how, in one of my niches, I make average of $400 per day and it's not the IM niche.

    Before I share that, here is my contribution to your post:

    You metioned "saturation"

    In fact, these "saturated" niches are wide open!

    Here is an example: I just helped my buddy create a website in the weight loss niche which is one of the most "saturated" niches there is...

    He has a USP ( unique selling point )

    He teaches people how to exercise while doing every day task, such as driving or while at your desk working, etc.

    I've NEVER heard of this until we talked about it.

    ALL YOU NEED IS A NEW ANGLE THAT YOUR AUDIENCE DESIRES

    As you can see, his USP really says "Hey, you can lose weight while doing what you are already doing!"

    That's pretty tasty, isn't it?

    ok, here is the link I promised: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...400-today.html
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  • I do very well for myself, thanks, and I sell absolutely nothing that involves 'How to make money online', nor will I ever. Best of luck to those that do make their money that way, but I want nothing to do with it. To me, they just smack of get-rich-quick schemes.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Because i gues money and health you can push people's emotional buttons. It's a lot harder with real products. What you see is what you get...with info..that's rarely the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    yeah that's so true..I mean i know no-one in my family/friends...other people who are in that niche at all. In fact not oen of them sells one thing on the Net yet we think everyone does. We start thinking it's the only way to sell.

    You have a skewed impression of online marketing because you spend too much time reading marketing forums and blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKTNG
    After reading your question I thought you might enjoy this video about SEO services--there is so much opportunity here, I think many people overlook it to go for the juicy WSO out there, or the next best product getting hype being launched.

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    Originally Posted by Stevenp6 View Post

    After looking at lots of different threads over many months it seems to me that the people doing the best seem to be the ones selling products and services on 'How to make money online' or 'Internet Marketing Tips'

    This makes me uneasy.

    Are there people out there making a good income promoting goods and services NOT in the IM niche? I know there are some in the Health Products, Dating and Dieting niche's but must these must be very saturated by now.

    Are there any others? I don't want to know people's niche's but just to know that there are other genuine niche's other than pretending you are an IM guru to make money.

    Many thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    This is what turns a lot of IM away from affiliate marketing, as it brings it very close to the "how to get rich quick" crowd, since a lot of people are looking for these type of info, people just jump on the bandwagon and rehash what they have heard elsewhere
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  • Profile picture of the author mondays
    Nothing is saturated! Make sure you are looking the correct direction and you can see the future. (keyword research)
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    Steven,

    I have a site that is a "Quasi-Make Money Online" in that it is a membership site that helps affiliate marketers by selling research, which in and of itself is not a "make money online" site. I also am building a coupon site for my wife, and have several others that sell general software items, courses, etc. So, again the short answer to your question is "Of Course!" As others have pointed out here, however, this forum is essentially how to make money from your marketing efforts, so it is bound to be biased to that end.

    What you have to do is dig a little deeper - there are literally people here who sell just about anything that can be sold, who provide every possible kind of service, and who teach, write, perform, talk, video, audio, do seminars, on and on and on!

    Good Luck!

    -DTM
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Just selling physical products online alone is huge!

    Other than some offline marketing, the only thing I will touch is selling physical products online. All of the trends and latest news point to the relentless growth of online purchasing of consumer goods...and we're talking everything - from shoelaces to dining room sets.

    That alone solidified my confidence in selling physical products and it has done very well for me....and lots of others on here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Harper
    My product has nothing to do with the IM niche and it's netted me better than $200 just 4 days after its release.
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