by gb44
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Video Protection:

1) Is it possible to totally protect a video from being shared online? My son is about to start a private site where only paid members can video the videos, and he does not want them to be able to share the vids around the web.

2) If not, then is it possible to have each video individually water marked with the customer's name and email address?
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    There is a way, i just haven't found how to do it yet.

    there is no need to have a username and email water marked...
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    • Profile picture of the author gb44
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      There is a way, i just haven't found how to do it yet.

      there is no need to have a username and email water marked...
      I was thinking that if the video was watermarked then it would make the customers hesitant about sharing them, as it would be easy to see who did it.
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        nah, if they want to share it, they will.

        but hey... i know there IS a way to protect your video from being downloaded when viewed online with tools like downloadhelper.net i think sites like that should be banned - just feeding the craze to share private / paid only videos... billions and billions yearly are being lost.

        I've seen sites that wont even allow me to download the video...

        I've even noticed that one of Ryan Deiss's videos online couldn't be downloaded with download helper...

        I'm not sure if its a Mac thing for the type of software Apple uses or what that prevents the download with the likes of downloadhelper (firefox plugin)

        Originally Posted by gb44 View Post

        I was thinking that if the video was watermarked then it would make the customers hesitant about sharing them, as it would be easy to see who did it.
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        • Profile picture of the author AronD
          I made a memberhsip site out of my wordpress blog, and had videos in the protected area. I used flowplayer to play the videos. I think this way people can't share it or download it.

          Hope that helps.

          Cheers.
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          • Profile picture of the author askloz
            you are sorely mistaken... it can be downloaded via downloadhelper.net firefox plugin

            Originally Posted by AronD View Post

            I made a memberhsip site out of my wordpress blog, and had videos in the protected area. I used flowplayer to play the videos. I think this way people can't share it or download it.

            Hope that helps.

            Cheers.
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            • Profile picture of the author AronD
              Originally Posted by askloz View Post

              you are sorely mistaken... it can be downloaded via downloadhelper.net firefox plugin
              I didn't knew that, sorry.
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              • I just launched a video-based membership site with over 100 high-quality videos and I had the same question. To try not to get too technical...

                I host my videos on Amazon S3 and stream them in my protected Members Area - but actually that's not enough. People can share those direct URLs to your videos.

                So I spent a few weeks looking for a non-custom solution and found a WordPress plugin called S3 Flowshield (not free). This masks your actual file location and does not allow the end user to know exactly where the video is coming from. The video plays streaming through Flowplayer on my site with no problems at all.

                There were a few competing WP plugins out there but I liked this one the best.

                Cheers
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                • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                  There is no way to 100 percent protect the video.

                  Anyone with screen capture capabilities can just record the screen while watching it.

                  As mentioned above, watermarking is your first defense. I don't know that I'd put someones email on as a watermark, lol.

                  individually water marked with the customer's name and email address?
                  This kinda got me here. Is he looking to create videos for individual people? There are ways to set up sites so that only some members (or even just one member) have/has access to a page.
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                  • Profile picture of the author askloz
                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    There is no way to 100 percent protect the video.
                    sorry, disagree... there is if you have the right technology!

                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    Anyone with screen capture capabilities can just record the screen while watching it.
                    not everyone is savvy enough to do that,a nd that will warrant potential law suits cos they had the intent to defraud.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

                      sorry, disagree... there is if you have the right technology!
                      Please point out to me this technology.

                      Even if you watermark an entire video, I don't think it can prevent me from taking that watermarked version.



                      not everyone is savvy enough to do that,
                      Why thank you for the compliment. Not saying I do this, I have no need to.
                      and that will warrant potential law suits cos they had the intent to defraud.
                      Well, any video swiping can lead to potential lawsuits. I never said it was legal, just said there are ways for people to get things if they really want to. I don't advocate it, but it's not like it is a giant secret.
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                  • Profile picture of the author SirBertram
                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    There is no way to 100 percent protect the video.

                    Anyone with screen capture capabilities can just record the screen while watching it.

                    As mentioned above, watermarking is your first defense. I don't know that I'd put someones email on as a watermark, lol.



                    This kinda got me here. Is he looking to create videos for individual people? There are ways to set up sites so that only some members (or even just one member) have/has access to a page.
                    You hit it Jill! As I was reading all the comments I was wondering if anyone would realize that members of your site can record protected video with screencapture software, like Camtasia. The BEST way to reduce sharing and/or STEALING your valuable content is a nice watermark!

                    Don't include an email address, just a logo or URL, and I've seen people actually embed their own watermark OVER a watermark too, so the short answer is that if someone wants it bad enough, they'll take it, period!

                    Doing something to discourage it is still better than nothing at all, good luck!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                      If you make the watermark slightly transparent as a 'lower third' the rest of the video will show through and if someone tries to use a different watermark over yours it will have to be opaque. And that will really screw things up.

                      The real question you need to ask yourself is "How much damage will actually be done with a ripped off video?" Because as has been mentioned, your videos if done properly can create advertising for you even in the wrong hands.

                      What you don't want to do is to add some footage that can be removed as your 'protection', but a good copyright disclaimer at the beginning or the end may help deter some theft.

                      ~Bill
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                    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
                      Originally Posted by SirBertram View Post

                      You hit it Jill!........The BEST way to reduce sharing and/or STEALING your valuable content is a nice watermark!
                      This watermarking solution seems to come up often in the forum, and I feel it is not very effective as it once may have been. Clever thieves are always one step ahead of simple issues like a watermark.

                      From a past post I made to someone with a similar dilemma:
                      As opposed to watermarking, you should be looking to "brand" your videos rather than watermark. A faded logo throughout your entire video does not look as professional as it may once have. In addition, your video may very well get hiested from Youtube and your watermark covered up by another one, or entirely zoned out by a content thief > yeah this has happened to me.

                      By branding a video you use colors, graphics and your logo to consistently represent your website and let viewers know (esp those who follow your CTA) that you have a consistent and professional presentation. Branding also eliminates content thieves from taking your video and mocking it up to make it look like theirs.

                      So don't look to watermark, look to be branding your videos so they have a longer shelf life and add to your overall business longevity.

                      Here is a sample of a branded video I did for a client:



                      and one for my own site.

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                      • Profile picture of the author John Hocking
                        You can use services like
                        Vidlock DRM Service Provider, Utilize Digital Rights Management Today!

                        to add DRM to you videos. The viewer would have to have an active key to view the video.

                        I am not sure if they could capture the video stream and store it without drm or not.


                        When it comes to protecting the videos, you have to weigh the effect on your customers vs the theives.

                        If you make it hard the the customer to view what they paid for, you can expect refunds and bad word of mouth.

                        You can do your best to protect the videos but some may get out.
                        My advice is to watermark them with your domain url.
                        This way, if your videos do get shared, they become ads for you site that may get you new visitors.

                        You can also go the the process to copyright the videos, if you find them on other site, you can use that to request them be removed from the hosting companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    1.) If a vid can be viewed, then it can be saved and shared.

    2.) Watermarks are a good idea as they aren't very easy to remove.
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  • Profile picture of the author allenjohn
    Hi,

    I'd go with a watermark, that's what I do with mine. Example here:


    Regards Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Poc
    Don't worry about protecting your stuff - if they want it, they will find a way to get it.

    You see, even such enormous companies like Microsoft can't protect their products, so I wish you good luck wasing your time with that!

    All what you can really do is protect members area with passwords and don't allow to download anytthing, only watch online, but in most cases people want to download audios and listen using their phone or ipods, so it is not good to do that.

    And you know, if people want to get it for free, they will never buy it. Just make sure that you monetize your products in some way, so you make money from them (in IM it may be hosting, domain names or trying to sell other products).

    But, you should be happy that people will distribute them for free - you will get some high quality subscribers that you would never get!
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    • Profile picture of the author AgentP
      Originally Posted by Matt Poc View Post

      Don't worry about protecting your stuff - if they want it, they will find a way to get it.

      You see, even such enormous companies like Microsoft can't protect their products, so I wish you good luck wasing your time with that!

      All what you can really do is protect members area with passwords and don't allow to download anytthing, only watch online, but in most cases people want to download audios and listen using their phone or ipods, so it is not good to do that.

      And you know, if people want to get it for free, they will never buy it. Just make sure that you monetize your products in some way, so you make money from them (in IM it may be hosting, domain names or trying to sell other products).

      But, you should be happy that people will distribute them for free - you will get some high quality subscribers that you would never get!
      Agree...watermark your properties and enjoy the free advertisement.
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      • Profile picture of the author Your Brand Ebooks
        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        If a vid can be viewed, then it can be saved and shared.
        Originally Posted by askloz View Post

        can be downloaded via downloadhelper.net firefox plugin
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        Any video can be ripped.

        With the exception of doing a Camtasia style
        screen recording, or recording the screen with a camcorder,
        yes, there is a 100% secure method: rtmp

        rtmp .... Real Time Messaging Protocol
        http ..... Hypertext Transfer (or Transport) Protocol
        https .... Hypertext Transfer (or Transport) Protocol Secure

        If anyone thinks they can grab rtmp vids using DownloadHelper or any software designed for stealing vids, I challenge you. Go to Hulu and try grabbing a tv show. You'll wind up with just the commercials. (the commercials are not rtmp streamed)

        We've used Onyx Servers Hosting (link) for rtmp streaming. They have a very simple and robust backend system. Their support response is about 1 day too slow for me (but they do indeed reply) but other than that they're a great rtmp streaming provider and low cost.

        Now combine rtmp with using a watermark and you've got a pretty secure video.
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        • Profile picture of the author Your Brand Ebooks
          In response to those who mentioned that watermarks are easy to cover up:

          There are creative ways to implement watermarks that make it painstakingly difficult for would-be pirates to cover the watermark or crop off say the bottom (watermarked) edge of video. A few methods include using a moving watermark; or using a semi clear watermark that covers or partially covers the critical content area of the video. (i.e. placement close to the center, verses the typical upper lefthand corner placement)
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          • Profile picture of the author askloz
            thanks for the link Sir,

            I may switch over to them now rather than amazon.

            nice tip

            Originally Posted by Your Brand Ebooks View Post

            In response to those who mentioned that watermarks are easy to cover up:
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  • Profile picture of the author julesw
    With watermarks they can just create another similar shaped watermark and cover it when they edit.

    Make sure you say your domain and plug your product in your video, at least let them spread your name.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Don't sweat it.
    Do what you can to make it as difficult as possible but accept the fact that it's going to happen.
    Every video that plays with Realplayer can be downloaded, and Realplayer plays pretty much every format.
    Chances are most people who do share your videos will share them with a few friends and/or business partners.
    Implant your URL on your videos so at least the people who who share it also share your site info.
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    Yeah, I have Real Player. I can download just about any video out there.
    I don't need to know the url of the video, I can do it right from the site.

    I don't use it for illegal purposes though. I use it when I buy something and they only have the videos hosted on the site. Well, I don't want to always be on the site. So, I download them. But, again, this is for personal use only.

    I don't think there is a way to protect anything online 100%
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    • Profile picture of the author gb44
      Thanks for the help.

      I was not thinking that watermarking had anything to do with protection, but rather to influence someone from not sharing the vids knowing I'd know who it was.

      But it looks like a no-win situation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by gb44 View Post

        Thanks for the help.

        I was not thinking that watermarking had anything to do with protection, but rather to influence someone from not sharing the vids knowing I'd know who it was.

        But it looks like a no-win situation.
        Well, not necessarily.

        You can watermark. You can move the watermark to make it a pain for someone to cover it. You can put things on the actual video itself that show a brand or watermark if you are creative.

        I don't know what your videos are exactly, but there are always ways to be creative.

        But I did have a question above.
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  • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
    If someone wants to steal it they will... however there are things that you can put in the video that may discourage a swiper....

    Also you can try to leverage technology to make it not possible to share the video....

    There are a few services that I have come across in the past... Iam just unable to remember them right....

    Now where did I leave my "memory pills" again...
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    Mate, you can find video experts through freelancing sites, there are plenty of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Want to make more money despite the thieves?

    Focus on your marketing. The more you sell the more money you make. Take reasonable security measures but don't go overboard. If you obsess about DRM and forget about time to live... you are wasting time that could be spent collecting cash. One mentor of mine who has built several 8 figure companies said that he used to get all upset about people stealing his stuff. But the best thing he did was to stop worrying about the thieves and focus on the majority who are honest consumers.

    The more intricate the DRM the worse the customer experience.

    There is a reason that Yahoo and Wal-Mart dropped drm and that Apple is now offering DRM free solutions.

    Now that is not to say you should make it easy for people to steal but... it does not have to be difficult.

    1. Use a membership site management platform that provides reasonable security measures. In ours we let publishers set how many IP addresses per day OR per lifetime can access the membership area or user feed. That combined with unique individual user logins and subscriber account access controls provides a high level of security for the membership area itself. High enough that if you really wanted to you could set the view access to 1 time per lifetime... but that would make the user experience not so nice.

    2. Use an rtmp streaming player solution to embed your content. This won't stop people from screen capturing your content... but if you have ever researched it a good solid streaming video screen capture solution that correctly captures and syncs up the audio is hard to come by. Not only that its time consuming to record each of your videos and rip them off.

    3. Brand the heck out of your videos...Marty gave you an excellent example of branding all over the video. That way if some of your content does get ripped off at least you get free advertising... but again if you take the top two precautions you are going to be pretty well secured.

    I have been researching, developing, selling and delivering secure content delivery services and embedded media solutiuons for the web since 2004...

    And the most effective and profitable strategy is and will always be... marketing more and stressing over drm less. And this is coming from someone who sells a solutions both for rtmp and secure membership content delivery.

    Our clients use our systems to sell and deliver premium content every day and the clients that make millions of dollars a year selling premium content including streaming video membership areas... they don't do anything more than the basics and focus on the marketing instead.

    Add on top of the drm issues the Apple iPad scenario and depending on how you approach it you could cut your self out of that market completely if you choose the wrong approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      each to their own, and its beside the point.

      for ppl like me who is launching a forex video course and money that goes to charity, is like stealing from them, and if its anything that p***es me off more than anything else; its hindering the success of those who are in desperate need.

      i dont care how long it takes to protect the videos, if i can prevent ppl from doing it, could be an extra 3-10% in the bank for them and that will make a HUGE difference.

      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      Want to make more money despite the thieves?

      Focus on your marketing. The more you sell the more money you make. Take reasonable security measures but don't go overboard. If you obsess about DRM and forget about time to live... you are wasting time that could be spent collecting cash. One mentor of mine who has built several 8 figure companies said that he used to get all upset about people stealing his stuff. But the best thing he did was to stop worrying about the thieves and focus on the majority who are honest consumers.
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        Originally Posted by askloz View Post

        I dont care how long it takes to protect the videos, if i can prevent ppl from doing it, could be an extra 3-10% in the bank for them and that will make a HUGE difference.
        I don't buy that stat. Reasonable precautions are smart, but obsessing about drm at the sacrifice of time to live or marketing is a mistake. If you really want to make more get your offer out there and put extra energy in marketing.

        Because my primary business is providing solutions for these issues I have found over the years that too many people who are publishing premium video content for the first time waste a lot of time looking for drm instead of using the fast and smart strategies we have already discussed like rtmp and secure membership areas. In other words the tendency of the unitiaited is to look beyond the mark at the sacrifice of increased profits and ttl.
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        • Profile picture of the author mbeneteau0
          Agred with Josh. It's really a trade-off between optimum user experience and protection from copy, and better to err on the side of improving user experience and not obsess about DRM. My favorite solution is the RTMP solution and I will repost because this work very well for me in terms of balancing the trade-off

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ur-videos.html

          Although one limitation of this is that users on portable devices really need to be able to download, I will be enhancing this solution soon to provide either RTMP streaming or download depending on the user-agent.
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          • Profile picture of the author mbeneteau0
            Originally Posted by mbeneteau0 View Post

            Agred with Josh. It's really a trade-off between optimum user experience and protection from copy, and better to err on the side of improving user experience and not obsess about DRM. My favorite solution is the RTMP solution and I will repost because this work very well for me in terms of balancing the trade-off

            http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ur-videos.html

            Although one limitation of this is that users on portable devices really need to be able to download, I will be enhancing this solution soon to provide either RTMP streaming or download depending on the user-agent.
            Josh has a nice little player too that supports fallback to iPhone and Android via html5, see here

            Transparent Video Player - h.264 Flash Video Player - html5 Video Player - Alpha Channel Video Player
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  • Profile picture of the author athanne
    It is good to ensure privacy while on the net
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Don't waste your time trying to protect them too much. Videos are EASY to steal.

    The people who will steal them are unlikely to pay anyway so don't kid yourself that putting lots of protection in place will make too much difference in sales.

    As soon as one person has it that likes to share - your security is gone. The first person will drop all the drm and share it in a different format.

    If multi-million dollar corporations can't protect themselves then you have no chance.

    As others have said - put some focus into branding etc. so that at least you may get increased traffic etc. from the people who steal it or get it free and want to see what else you have - they may still become customers. Sometimes having your stuff stolen actually gets you more sales so don't sweat it too much.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mbullard
      Andy and Josh have it right on. Video is pretty easy to steal, you really should be focusing on your marketing. Somebody else mentioned not being able to copy Hulu or even Netflix videos. I know a way to do that as well, so yeah, you're never going fully protect your video but there are ways to make it harder.

      • Watermark/Lower Third - other than being used to promote your site/name/phone number; these graphics will deter thieves.
      • Use Easy Video Player's protected video feature - they provide rotating links so if somebody sends the video page to their friends, their friends will not be able to watch it
      • Say your name a couple of times in the video
      • Any other graphic you use in the video should have your URL as well. Harder to cover up.

      Other people are right, this topic seems to come up a lot on the forum but I don't know why. I think people are scared for no reason. What I want to see is a real life example of somebody's video getting stolen. Can somebody send me a link?
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  • Profile picture of the author challanger
    Yes each and every video can water marked. If you are think to sue water mark then use it at the center of the video like many news channels water marked their packages.

    I think JW player don't allow to download videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
      Originally Posted by challanger View Post

      I think JW player don't allow to download videos.
      Think again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emporer
    Water Marking is a great idea but with screen capture software anything nowadays can be captured so it is very difficult. But remember when working on the web, anything can get swiped. But wish you the best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
    Watermarking them is the only way and when someone uploads your video to share it illegally contact the site to take it down... tedious but works
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