How I made $400 today...

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We all want the fast bucks, but you can't get there without the background work.

Yes, I truly did make $400 today and the day before yesterday and $500 two days before that, but if U want to know how this is happening I want you to consider this...

Remember Dane Cook? He blew up for a while as a comedian and doing movies. He's still around but not as much. The point is I only heard of him two years ago.

do you know how long he's been doing comedy? for 20+ years!!!!!!

THERE ARE NO INSTANT SUCCESSES.

The stories you hear about people making $20,000 in one launch day and only started internet marketing six months ago are a load of crap. There are rare exceptions with exceptional circumstances... aka Trey Smith who made a ton of money online his first year but he had a connection, well, THE connection, ...Frank Kern.

Not too many of us can just call up Frank ( the master ) to tell us exactly what to do.

What you can do however is first realize that there are exceptions to the rule, but don't consider yourself one of them. Instead, work hard and the money will come and I promise you, when it does, you'll see through most of the B.S. on clickbank and other places.

THERE ARE NO OVERNIGHT SUCCESSES, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SUCCEED ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT IT UNTIL THEY MAKE MONEY...

So now to the meat and potatoes of how I made $400 today...

First, in my inbox it said "Notification of payment received"

Now I don't know about you, but these are my favorite emails, but my even more favorite emails are the ones that say,

"You have received a subscription payment"

Most of you are not getting these, yet these are the payments that make all the difference!

The particular payments that I'm talking about are for $197. There are days when I'll get 2 or three of these besides my other sales in this business and other businesses.

THIS IS THE MISSING PIECE IN YOUR BUSINESS!

You cannot rely on "one off" sales. The bulk of my income is from subscription payments.

If you want to make money online, you need to sign people up for monthly payments.

Which scenerio sounds easier?

option one: spending time and money on traffic and then getting them to buy your cheap $37 e-book once, never to be seen again, then you have to spend more time and money finding a new set of leads to sell to

or....

option two: You spend time and money on leads, you get their email, you sell them a one off product and you offer them a higher end monthly product.

In my case I charge $97 for my front end product and $197 monthly for my higher end product.

Most people that buy my $197 monthly program stay for at least three months, that means they are really a $600 sale! That is just one lead.

Are you starting to get the picture yet?

I bet you can see a huge hole in your business strategy now. For those of you who are already doing this and killing it, congratulations! You get it!

For the rest of you, you know who you are, you know you need to do this.

I want you to succeed, but you will make the road much easier with a monthly program.

I have written some free IM lessons for newbies at: Powerful and free IM lessons No opt-in required.

almost everything else I've seen out there is NOT WORTH YOUR TIME! However there are some other good ones:

here are some more people who's lists you should join:

1/ Frank Kern: Most IMer's hang on his every word and for good reason, he makes money.

2/ brendan burchard: he also makes a ton of money and is top notch

3/ eben pagen: makes more money than Frank and Brenden combined... you should probably listen to him as thousands of others have.

4/ Mike Hill: responsible for generating over $100 million dollars, I know it sounds ridiculous and because it is! That's a lot of money!

You will not start out making that much money, these guys have been online for ten years or more. However, if you model your business close to theirs, you can't go wrong, seriously! That is how I got to where I am at!

seriously, I would not join too many other lists than this, it's really all you need!

What I really want you to take away from this and go and implement immediately is to go to your white board and create a concept for your brand new "monthly membership" and I want you to have the stones to charge people AT LEAST $197 per month.

I suggest if you are in the IM niche that you charge for personal mentoring. Please only teach what you have actually got results with!!!!!!!!

If you guys have any other resources for newbies, please leave them in the comments below: The ONLY CRITERIA is that it CANNOT BE some "traffic software" or "other get rich quick scheme!"

I'll also answer questions if there are any...
#$400 #day #made #today
  • Profile picture of the author dialseo
    Thanks for your analysis. I agree with a lot of what you said, and was delighted to read about the gurus you mentioned!

    I like the idea of securing a recurring payment. My only thinking is the subscription fee being so high would deter the volume of sales.

    I'm gunning to offer two levels of subscription for two reasons: one, create a midpoint for more conversions; two, build value in the second package by contrasting what's offered between it and the initial package.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by dialseo View Post

      Thanks for your analysis. I agree with a lot of what you said, and was delighted to read about the gurus you mentioned!

      I like the idea of securing a recurring payment. My only thinking is the subscription fee being so high would deter the volume of sales.

      I'm gunning to offer two levels of subscription for two reasons: one, create a midpoint for more conversions; two, build value in the second package by contrasting what's offered between it and the initial package.
      Yes you can do this, but remember, the lower price you charge, the most customers and traffic you need.

      two scenrios, tell me which one sounds easier?

      You want to make $3,000 per month, you can sell 81 monthly memberships at $37 per month or you can sell only 15 monthly memberships at $197

      Now, it might be easier to sell $37 memberships, but I've tested this myself and I only sold a few more memberships at $37 than the $197!

      That is the power of real work experience!

      if your $37 per month customer stays for three months, you make $111

      however, if your $197 per month customer stays for 3 months, that's $591 !!!

      It is also a lot easier to keep 15 people happy and provide them the most value than it is to keep 81 people happy!

      The more people you have, the less value you give and the less you make, the less people you have, the more value you can give and the more you can charge

      so the second scenerio, you make more money and have more time and less hassle.

      You have to remember that with each customer also comes a "hassle" factor. What that means is more emails, questions, tech support, phone time, etc.

      Believe it or not, it takes a TON OF WORK to sell 81 of anything if you are just starting out!

      But if you provide a good service and exceptional value, you will make more money with less work, just ask Yanik Silver, a guru who does what I am talking about and I can tell you from experience, he is right, I have never been happier.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Subscription services are a great way to go. It's important to keep the customers satisfied because if they're not, then they will cancel their subscription three or four months in. Good job!
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      Subscription services are a great way to go. It's important to keep the customers satisfied because if they're not, then they will cancel their subscription three or four months in. Good job!
      Yep, the formula here is:

      Less members = more value you can give and personal attention to the success of each client = more you can charge = less time you have to spend running around from person to person = happier lifestyle and easer lifestyle

      I'd rather have 2 clients at $2,000 a piece than 20 clients at $100 a piece.

      People get all worried about price. You will get whatever you ask for as long as you can show value equaling or exceeding what you are charging
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      • Profile picture of the author Coby
        Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

        People get all worried about price. You will get whatever you ask for as long as you can show value equaling or exceeding what you are charging
        Great Stuff here! I especially like the quote above ^^

        If you provide value you can name your price! This also adds an "exclusive" feeling, which people loveeeee
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        • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
          Originally Posted by seoed View Post

          nice post!



          my favorite is:

          "Hello, Mr. I want to do business with you. My father died and he left $10.000.000 on the bank. I need you to withdraw it. For that I will give you $3.000.000."
          LOL


          Originally Posted by Coby View Post

          Great Stuff here! I especially like the quote above ^^

          If you provide value you can name your price! This also adds an "exclusive" feeling, which people loveeeee
          Damn straight Coby!
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  • Profile picture of the author seoed
    nice post!

    First, in my inbox it said "Notification of payment received"

    Now I don't know about you, but these are my favorite emails,
    my favorite is:

    "Hello, Mr. I want to do business with you. My father died and he left $10.000.000 on the bank. I need you to withdraw it. For that I will give you $3.000.000."

    btw, I also frequently get emails where it says "Notification of payment received". When I open them it says: "Hello my friend, please check this website for maximum profits."
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    • Profile picture of the author Diane S
      Originally Posted by seoed View Post

      "Hello, Mr. I want to do business with you. My father died and he left $10.000.000 on the bank. I need you to withdraw it. For that I will give you $3.000.000."
      Or the Nigerian lawyer who needs your help with his cash flow for a wealthy client....

      I have some affiliate links to products within two of my products, plus a subscription on the back end that is getting about a 10% conversion, but that subscription is small potatoes compared to what I have in store for myself. I am working down my to do list, and membership site has reached position two now. I get started next week. Looking forward to it!

      I am breaking out of the IM niche now so things are going to seem strange at first... but I think I can get used to it.

      Thanks for this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
    Nice post.

    I sell both high-end and low end memberships and over-delivering value-wise is the key.

    Delivering massive value and actually getting your clients and customers real life results is what keeps them coming back for more and staying in your programme for much longer than the 'average' 3 to 4 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author RightGood10
    I feel its appropriate to quote the great man known as David Heinemeier Hansson "Most of the overnight successes you hear about, started 5 years ago"
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by Roy Carter View Post

      Nice post.

      I sell both high-end and low end memberships and over-delivering value-wise is the key.

      Delivering massive value and actually getting your clients and customers real life results is what keeps them coming back for more and staying in your programme for much longer than the 'average' 3 to 4 months.
      Very good contribute Roy. Value is key, if you have any tips on how to "specifically" increase value and some numbers it would be great to hear...

      Originally Posted by RightGood10 View Post

      I feel its appropriate to quote the great man known as David Heinemeier Hansson "Most of the overnight successes you hear about, started 5 years ago"
      I like that quote! good stuff!
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      • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
        [QUOTE=ricocrownmedia;3792641]Very good contribute Roy. Value is key, if you have any tips on how to "specifically" increase value and some numbers it would be great to hear...
        QUOTE]

        Well, it's all about delivering the unexpected. That's what over-delivering is in truth. I tested giving away one of my products (a $37.00 ebook), by waiting a week after the person joined and just having my autoresponder send them an email telling them that they could pay for the product here...(link to actual sales page for the product)...or they could just click the link below to go get a copy with my compliments...worked like gangbusters and I did the same again just before the 2nd month subscription was due and just before the 3rd and 4th month's subscription was due.

        Just before the 5th month subs were due I sent an email saying that as well as the great info coming NEXT month in the member area, there would also be something that would help give their income a big boost (then created a 'bonus video' walking them through a decent income earner step by step).

        Just deliver more than they expect each month and they'll stick around wondering what amazing 'extra' you're going to give them next.

        Yes, it's a little more work and effort but the returns in terms of people staying with your membership month after month make it more than worthwhile. It's one of the reasons I am able to write this post right now whilst sitting on a balcony on a tropical island in Australia whilst looking out over the Coral Sea (and I'm sticking around here for six months before going home to my regular place in Cyprus (which is also not that shabby )!

        It doesn't matter what niche you are in, if you make sure you stand out from the crowd, you'll do just fine and build a great following.

        Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad789
    Ricocrownmedia

    I will take a shot at your challenge. First, I whole heartedly agree, success is not going to come instantly. Work, a lot of work, is the hallmark of actual lasting success.

    I am working to build a long term business and scoping out the markets. I think I hit on one that will be around for 20+ years - and has lots of disposable income.

    I sure would be interested in your opinion of this approach. If you have a few minutes, I just posted a series of three articles on my blog on Why Internet Marketing Now? starting with this first post.

    I am signed up with several of the best on the web today including Frank Kern - in fact I have a series on him as well. I started with a bunch of "systems" until I hit on Chris Farrell then Yaro Starak and Jeff Johnson.

    You know their mantra is "over deliver -- value" and build the list. I watched each of their programs for weeks and agree - they are sincere. Not only that but they all have a bunch of stuff available free in various locations on the net.

    Learning before earning makes sense to me. I wonder if we are of like minds? Check it out and let me know.

    Thanks'
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Those guys are a great bunch to listen too.

    Here are my biggest tips...watch what and how they do things. Not what they say and their products contents. I have learnt so much from frank kern and them when they are leading up to a lauch and their email copy.

    I have saved every single email frank kern has sent. Now what do you think that is worth


    Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

    We all want the fast bucks, but you can't get there without the background work.

    Yes, I truly did make $400 today and the day before yesterday and $500 two days before that, but if U want to know how this is happening I want you to consider this...

    Remember Dane Cook? He blew up for a while as a comedian and doing movies. He's still around but not as much. The point is I only heard of him two years ago.

    do you know how long he's been doing comedy? for 20+ years!!!!!!

    THERE ARE NO INSTANT SUCCESSES.

    The stories you hear about people making $20,000 in one launch day and only started internet marketing six months ago are a load of crap. There are rare exceptions with exceptional circumstances... aka Trey Smith who made a ton of money online his first year but he had a connection, well, THE connection, ...Frank Kern.

    Not too many of us can just call up Frank ( the master ) to tell us exactly what to do.

    What you can do however is first realize that there are exceptions to the rule, but don't consider yourself one of them. Instead, work hard and the money will come and I promise you, when it does, you'll see through most of the B.S. on clickbank and other places.

    THERE ARE NO OVERNIGHT SUCCESSES, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SUCCEED ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT IT UNTIL THEY MAKE MONEY...

    So now to the meat and potatoes of how I made $400 today...

    First, in my inbox it said "Notification of payment received"

    Now I don't know about you, but these are my favorite emails, but my even more favorite emails are the ones that say,

    "You have received a subscription payment"

    Most of you are not getting these, yet these are the payments that make all the difference!

    The particular payments that I'm talking about are for $197. There are days when I'll get 2 or three of these besides my other sales in this business and other businesses.

    THIS IS THE MISSING PIECE IN YOUR BUSINESS!

    You cannot rely on "one off" sales. The bulk of my income is from subscription payments.

    If you want to make money online, you need to sign people up for monthly payments.

    Which scenerio sounds easier?

    option one: spending time and money on traffic and then getting them to buy your cheap $37 e-book once, never to be seen again, then you have to spend more time and money finding a new set of leads to sell to

    or....

    option two: You spend time and money on leads, you get their email, you sell them a one off product and you offer them a higher end monthly product.

    In my case I charge $97 for my front end product and $197 monthly for my higher end product.

    Most people that buy my $197 monthly program stay for at least three months, that means they are really a $600 sale! That is just one lead.

    Are you starting to get the picture yet?

    I bet you can see a huge hole in your business strategy now. For those of you who are already doing this and killing it, congratulations! You get it!

    For the rest of you, you know who you are, you know you need to do this.

    I want you to succeed, but you will make the road much easier with a monthly program.

    I can only think of one resource that is worth looking at for newbies is this: Great American Dream - Truth about how to make money fast

    I think they require an opt-in so don't click it if you want to avoid that.

    almost everything else I've seen out there is NOT WORTH YOUR TIME! However there are some other good ones:

    here are some more people who's lists you should join:

    1/ Frank Kern: Most IMer's hang on his every word and for good reason, he makes money.

    2/ brendan burchard: he also makes a ton of money and is top notch

    3/ eben pagen: makes more money than Frank and Brenden combined... you should probably listen to him as thousands of others have.

    4/ Mike Hill: responsible for generating over $100 million dollars, I know it sounds ridiculous and because it is! That's a lot of money!

    You will not start out making that much money, these guys have been online for ten years or more. However, if you model your business close to theirs, you can't go wrong, seriously! That is how I got to where I am at!

    seriously, I would not join too many other lists than this, it's really all you need!

    What I really want you to take away from this and go and implement immediately is to go to your white board and create a concept for your brand new "monthly membership" and I want you to have the stones to charge people AT LEAST $197 per month.

    I suggest if you are in the IM niche that you charge for personal mentoring. Please only teach what you have actually got results with!!!!!!!!

    If you guys have any other resources for newbies, please leave them in the comments below: The ONLY CRITERIA is that it CANNOT BE some "traffic software" or "other get rich quick scheme!"

    I'll also answer questions if there are any...
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      [quote=Roy Carter;3792696]
      Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

      Very good contribute Roy. Value is key, if you have any tips on how to "specifically" increase value and some numbers it would be great to hear...
      QUOTE]

      Well, it's all about delivering the unexpected. That's what over-delivering is in truth. I tested giving away one of my products (a $37.00 ebook), by waiting a week after the person joined and just having my autoresponder send them an email telling them that they could pay for the product here...(link to actual sales page for the product)...or they could just click the link below to go get a copy with my compliments...worked like gangbusters and I did the same again just before the 2nd month subscription was due and just before the 3rd and 4th month's subscription was due.

      Just before the 5th month subs were due I sent an email saying that as well as the great info coming NEXT month in the member area, there would also be something that would help give their income a big boost (then created a 'bonus video' walking them through a decent income earner step by step).

      Just deliver more than they expect each month and they'll stick around wondering what amazing 'extra' you're going to give them next.

      Yes, it's a little more work and effort but the returns in terms of people staying with your membership month after month make it more than worthwhile. It's one of the reasons I am able to write this post right now whilst sitting on a balcony on a tropical island in Australia whilst looking out over the Coral Sea (and I'm sticking around here for six months before going home to my regular place in Cyprus (which is also not that shabby )!

      It doesn't matter what niche you are in, if you make sure you stand out from the crowd, you'll do just fine and build a great following.

      Hope that helps.
      You have delivered exceptional value in your reply, I've already started implementing what you just said, good stuff!

      Originally Posted by Brad789 View Post

      Ricocrownmedia

      I will take a shot at your challenge. First, I whole heartedly agree, success is not going to come instantly. Work, a lot of work, is the hallmark of actual lasting success.

      I am working to build a long term business and scoping out the markets. I think I hit on one that will be around for 20+ years - and has lots of disposable income.

      I sure would be interested in your opinion of this approach. If you have a few minutes, I just posted a series of three articles on my blog on Why Internet Marketing Now? starting with this first post.

      I am signed up with several of the best on the web today including Frank Kern - in fact I have a series on him as well. I started with a bunch of "systems" until I hit on Chris Farrell then Yaro Starak and Jeff Johnson.

      You know their mantra is "over deliver -- value" and build the list. I watched each of their programs for weeks and agree - they are sincere. Not only that but they all have a bunch of stuff available free in various locations on the net.

      Learning before earning makes sense to me. I wonder if we are of like minds? Check it out and let me know.

      Thanks'
      I'll definitely check out your series, thank you for providing good value to this post, I'm sure many people will find this series as helpful as I will!

      I am a firm believer that thinking long term is a sure winner, all of the guys we've been talking about ALL HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN

      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      Those guys are a great bunch to listen too.

      Here are my biggest tips...watch what and how they do things. Not what they say and their products contents. I have learnt so much from frank kern and them when they are leading up to a lauch and their email copy.

      I have saved every single email frank kern has sent. Now what do you think that is worth
      Celente, they use those as bonuses to their $1,997 courses, I imagine they are worth ALOT!!!!! ( if they are used )
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      Those guys are a great bunch to listen too.

      Here are my biggest tips...watch what and how they do things. Not what they say and their products contents. I have learnt so much from frank kern and them when they are leading up to a lauch and their email copy.

      I have saved every single email frank kern has sent. Now what do you think that is worth
      Gerald, this is something that many newbies have trouble doing, for some reason or another. They love complaining about how their inboxes are jammed up with offers to buy this and that, but instead of complaining they should be learning and observing!

      Instead of just listening to what the gurus say, observe what they do, and pay close attention to how they treat their lists, how they execute their marketing during prelaunch, the phrasing of their email copy, etc.

      All this stuff is pure gold if you learn from it, and put it to good use in your own marketing!
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    Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

    We all want the fast bucks, but you can't get there without the background work.

    Yes, I truly did make $400 today and the day before yesterday and $500 two days before that, but if U want to know how this is happening I want you to consider this...

    Remember Dane Cook? He blew up for a while as a comedian and doing movies. He's still around but not as much. The point is I only heard of him two years ago.

    do you know how long he's been doing comedy? for 20+ years!!!!!!

    THERE ARE NO INSTANT SUCCESSES.

    The stories you hear about people making $20,000 in one launch day and only started internet marketing six months ago are a load of crap. There are rare exceptions with exceptional circumstances... aka Trey Smith who made a ton of money online his first year but he had a connection, well, THE connection, ...Frank Kern.

    Not too many of us can just call up Frank ( the master ) to tell us exactly what to do.

    What you can do however is first realize that there are exceptions to the rule, but don't consider yourself one of them. Instead, work hard and the money will come and I promise you, when it does, you'll see through most of the B.S. on clickbank and other places.

    THERE ARE NO OVERNIGHT SUCCESSES, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SUCCEED ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT IT UNTIL THEY MAKE MONEY...

    So now to the meat and potatoes of how I made $400 today...

    First, in my inbox it said "Notification of payment received"

    Now I don't know about you, but these are my favorite emails, but my even more favorite emails are the ones that say,

    "You have received a subscription payment"

    Most of you are not getting these, yet these are the payments that make all the difference!

    The particular payments that I'm talking about are for $197. There are days when I'll get 2 or three of these besides my other sales in this business and other businesses.

    THIS IS THE MISSING PIECE IN YOUR BUSINESS!

    You cannot rely on "one off" sales. The bulk of my income is from subscription payments.

    If you want to make money online, you need to sign people up for monthly payments.

    Which scenerio sounds easier?

    option one: spending time and money on traffic and then getting them to buy your cheap $37 e-book once, never to be seen again, then you have to spend more time and money finding a new set of leads to sell to

    or....

    option two: You spend time and money on leads, you get their email, you sell them a one off product and you offer them a higher end monthly product.

    In my case I charge $97 for my front end product and $197 monthly for my higher end product.

    Most people that buy my $197 monthly program stay for at least three months, that means they are really a $600 sale! That is just one lead.

    Are you starting to get the picture yet?

    I bet you can see a huge hole in your business strategy now. For those of you who are already doing this and killing it, congratulations! You get it!

    For the rest of you, you know who you are, you know you need to do this.

    I want you to succeed, but you will make the road much easier with a monthly program.

    I can only think of one resource that is worth looking at for newbies is this: Great American Dream - Truth about how to make money fast

    I think they require an opt-in so don't click it if you want to avoid that.

    almost everything else I've seen out there is NOT WORTH YOUR TIME! However there are some other good ones:

    here are some more people who's lists you should join:

    1/ Frank Kern: Most IMer's hang on his every word and for good reason, he makes money.

    2/ brendan burchard: he also makes a ton of money and is top notch

    3/ eben pagen: makes more money than Frank and Brenden combined... you should probably listen to him as thousands of others have.

    4/ Mike Hill: responsible for generating over $100 million dollars, I know it sounds ridiculous and because it is! That's a lot of money!

    You will not start out making that much money, these guys have been online for ten years or more. However, if you model your business close to theirs, you can't go wrong, seriously! That is how I got to where I am at!

    seriously, I would not join too many other lists than this, it's really all you need!

    What I really want you to take away from this and go and implement immediately is to go to your white board and create a concept for your brand new "monthly membership" and I want you to have the stones to charge people AT LEAST $197 per month.

    I suggest if you are in the IM niche that you charge for personal mentoring. Please only teach what you have actually got results with!!!!!!!!

    If you guys have any other resources for newbies, please leave them in the comments below: The ONLY CRITERIA is that it CANNOT BE some "traffic software" or "other get rich quick scheme!"

    I'll also answer questions if there are any...
    Some of what you're saying I like, but why does anyone need to follow a goo roo? Why should I follow Eben, or Frank or Brendan? Who cares what they've done? Half the goo roos in my opinion are criminals in a lot of ways! That's for another time and place though.

    I really hate it when someone sings the praises of the above mentioned. Some of them have already been in trouble with the FTC. You know which one if you've been around for a while.

    The way to success on the internet is consistency, hard hard work, trial and error and a butt load of taking the time to learn and not necessarely in this order. Don't follow the goo roos. You can learn all you need to know right here.

    Most of the time the goo roos just want your money anyway! You need to find what works for you and implement it. I think there is way too much emphasis put on who to follow, and that 's not a good thing. Just sayin...
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Some of what you're saying I like, but why does anyone need to follow a goo roo? Why should I follow Eben, or Frank or Brendan? Who cares what they've done? Half the goo roos in my opinion are criminals in a lot of ways! That's for another time and place though.

      I really hate it when someone sings the praises of the above mentioned. Some of them have already been in trouble with the FTC. You know which one if you've been around for a while.

      The way to success on the internet is consistency, hard hard work, trial and error and a butt load of taking the time to learn and not necessarely in this order. Don't follow the goo roos. You can learn all you need to know right here.

      Most of the time the goo roos just want your money anyway! You need to find what works for you and implement it. I think there is way too much emphasis put on who to follow, and that 's not a good thing. Just sayin...

      We are all here to make money. When I reference these guys, I am talking about the money they have made. Also, the FTC thing, if Frank was doing something wrong now, they would have got his ass. Frank is doing it just right.

      You can only learn how to get the results of those of us on here that make some money, however, the big names I'm talking about are not really active on here as far as I can tell.

      To ignore these guys is ignorant. But I do appreciate your counter-point and I see the frustration. However, you don't have to "buy what they are selling" but instead, "watch HOW they are selling it..." That is the BEST way to learn.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

        Also, the FTC thing, if Frank was doing something wrong now, they would have got his ass. Frank is doing it just right.
        This is all I'm going to say...The statement above is not necessarily true...I think in the future things are going to look a little different for the guy than what his success looks like now. But we'll all have to wait and see won't we.
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        • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
          Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

          This is all I'm going to say...The statement above is not necessarily true...I think in the future things are going to look a little different for the guy than what his success looks like now. But we'll all have to wait and see won't we.
          Maybe so, I've never been into guru bashing though, seriously, what they have accomplished, most of us want to accomplish the same thing. It really becomes a jealousy issue. I know that most of the people here that bash gurus would be all giddy if Frank Kern himself gave them a call and wanted to do a deal with them. I sure as hell would be happy about that.

          I'm sure he likes his income and therefore has hired some fancy lawyers to protect him and make sure he is doing everything legally, It just doesn't make sense that he would be doing anything illegal, seriously, he just doesn't have too...
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          • Profile picture of the author scrofford
            Originally Posted by ricocrownmedia View Post

            Maybe so, I've never been into guru bashing though, seriously, what they have accomplished, most of us want to accomplish the same thing. It really becomes a jealousy issue. I know that most of the people here that bash gurus would be all giddy if Frank Kern himself gave them a call and wanted to do a deal with them. I sure as hell would be happy about that.

            I'm sure he likes his income and therefore has hired some fancy lawyers to protect him and make sure he is doing everything legally, It just doesn't make sense that he would be doing anything illegal, seriously, he just doesn't have too...
            Well for one I'm not guru bashing. I don't really care what any of them have accomplished and I wouldn't want to accomplish it in the way the person we've been talking about has...but...I'm not going to bash him or even mention his name.

            I'm not jealous either. I can look in the mirror in the morning and sleep soundly at night. And as far as him doing something illegal, you can think what you want when you don't want to believe it. That's up to you altogether. The truth is though it's going on behind the scenes and you don't even realize it.

            I'm not going to say anymore because I don't want to get into bashing like you said. I just don't like the whole idea of following goo roos. Who cares about what they've done? I don't.
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            • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
              Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

              Well for one I'm not guru bashing. I don't really care what any of them have accomplished and I wouldn't want to accomplish it in the way the person we've been talking about has...but...I'm not going to bash him or even mention his name.

              I'm not jealous either. I can look in the mirror in the morning and sleep soundly at night. And as far as him doing something illegal, you can think what you want when you don't want to believe it. That's up to you altogether. The truth is though it's going on behind the scenes and you don't even realize it.

              I'm not going to say anymore because I don't want to get into bashing like you said. I just don't like the whole idea of following goo roos. Who cares about what they've done? I don't.
              Well my friend, you are entitled to your opinions. I appreciate that you are not bashing, I also don't know him or any of them personally so I could not verify what is going on, however I am going to assume innocent until proven guilty the same way I'd want to be treated.

              I just don't see why they would have the need to do anything illegal.

              I mention gurus because they exist in EVERY niche and they make the most money that is why they are gurus, however you don't have to watch them. I do and I will advise people to do the same because although I don't agree with EVERYTHING they do, just like I don't agree with EVERYTHING anybody does, I believe and this is just my humble opinion that we can learn a lot from the leaders in our industry. We can take the good things we learn and discard the mistakes they have made.

              anyway. If anyone has any advice concerning my original post for everyone reading this. I want to know how other people are doing what I'm doing above and what their numbers are and how they are doing it!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeroosa
    This is an excellent tip. I also join lists to see what others are doing. You can really get a lot of great ideas this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    Well the idea is new to me but It seems a legitimate way to make some good amount of money.However thanks for sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by mikeroosa View Post

      This is an excellent tip. I also join lists to see what others are doing. You can really get a lot of great ideas this way.
      It's a beautiful thing to see what others have learned by watching them work, it saves us all LOADS OF TIME!

      Originally Posted by shuvo View Post

      Well the idea is new to me but It seems a legitimate way to make some good amount of money.However thanks for sharing.
      Yes, once you get rocking and rolling I'd definitely do this, your family or future family will thank me for this one!
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  • Profile picture of the author incliner
    This is definitely a thread that has my attention. I have always sold physical products and I'm trying, now, to break into the "make money online" niche. It's so fascinating! Thanks for all the tips and keep them coming.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

      Or the Nigerian lawyer who needs your help with his cash flow for a wealthy client....

      I have some affiliate links to products within two of my products, plus a subscription on the back end that is getting about a 10% conversion, but that subscription is small potatoes compared to what I have in store for myself. I am working down my to do list, and membership site has reached position two now. I get started next week. Looking forward to it!

      I am breaking out of the IM niche now so things are going to seem strange at first... but I think I can get used to it.

      Thanks for this post.
      I love to hear that! That is very clever putting affiliate links in your products and it sparks ideas for future projects of mine, nice comment!

      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      It is definitely important to diversify income means, between "one-off" products, and recurring commission/subscription products.

      If I recall correctly, at the end of each show he did, Dane Cook collected email addresses. Brilliant.
      Yes, he is the only comedian I know of that made it big by self promotion! He truly is a master internet marketer, no?

      Originally Posted by incliner View Post

      This is definitely a thread that has my attention. I have always sold physical products and I'm trying, now, to break into the "make money online" niche. It's so fascinating! Thanks for all the tips and keep them coming.
      Yes, remember, to break into this niche, have a USP ready ( unique selling point ) Think of people like Alex Jeffries who came up with the "marketing with you" concept.

      People like Rich Shefren who came up with "turning opportunity seekers into strategic entrepreneurs.

      What will set you apart from everybody else?
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  • Profile picture of the author incliner
    Thanks, yes, a USP is critical in any endeavor and this one especially where there is so much high level competition. I'm looking forward to the journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author incliner
    Maybe something like "helping you pursue your dreams is my dream"...?
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  • Profile picture of the author Knowledge Kick
    Thanks Rico. This is pretty inspirational. I only started about 1 year ago but I keep getting discouraged. I'm going to keep this in mind next time I want to quit.
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    How would you do this I'n weight loss. I have a diet but this is a low cost item. Would be interested I'n thoughts on 197 membership for that
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    Thank you for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author Levira
      I love this! I am a newbie and I have never thought of subscriptions. That has definitely set me thinking.
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    Hi - Great share. Well done. Thanks Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    the problem with this entire strategy is, if you're having trouble just getting sales, you ain't going to be getting any subscription-based sales for sure because in my experience these are even tougher.

    people are reluctant to part with their cash - even more so in the context of a subscription payment.

    just to clarify though, I completely agree with you. I've tried and failed a few times with subscription based services.
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    • Profile picture of the author zannix
      This is a great resource, thank you!

      Could someone be so kind and post the links to sign up for the newsletter of these gurus? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

      Thanks!
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    thanks for the info +1
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    Sounds god..Wow! awesome stuff dude; Thanks for sharing with us. Future We can go for...
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  • Profile picture of the author techservice
    Thanks - good post - from a real Im'er
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  • Profile picture of the author komiolopo
    damm what a history pmm
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      damm what a history pmm
      Agreed. Very thorough and detailed.
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  • Profile picture of the author palmer9999
    Great thread! to much in it to read it all lol!
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by incliner View Post

      Thanks, yes, a USP is critical in any endeavor and this one especially where there is so much high level competition. I'm looking forward to the journey.
      What's beautiful is that if you have a great USP, you won't have much competition!

      Originally Posted by incliner View Post

      Maybe something like "helping you pursue your dreams is my dream"...?
      could be!

      Originally Posted by Knowledge Kick View Post

      Thanks Rico. This is pretty inspirational. I only started about 1 year ago but I keep getting discouraged. I'm going to keep this in mind next time I want to quit.
      That's right, it's these new little nuggets that can inspire us and excite us to keep doing what we are already doing and to add the new nugget when we get a chance.

      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Gerald, this is something that many newbies have trouble doing, for some reason or another. They love complaining about how their inboxes are jammed up with offers to buy this and that, but instead of complaining they should be learning and observing!

      Instead of just listening to what the gurus say, observe what they do, and pay close attention to how they treat their lists, how they execute their marketing during prelaunch, the phrasing of their email copy, etc.

      All this stuff is pure gold if you learn from it, and put it to good use in your own marketing!
      If I were a newbie, I would get off of 99% of the lists they are on, only follow a few people and your inbox won't be full of DISTRACTIONS, which take you away from making money. Yes, watching people that are successful, WITHOUT BUYING what they are selling helps alot! Think about it, you have some guru selling a product on how to do a product launch... Don't buy the course for $1,997! Instead, WATCH how they do the launch!!!!!!!! That is what they are teaching, or at least SHOULD be teaching!

      Originally Posted by lunchboxdiet View Post

      How would you do this I'n weight loss. I have a diet but this is a low cost item. Would be interested I'n thoughts on 197 membership for that
      Add more value, look at other weight loss programs that cost $197 or more and see what they are providing value wise, then provide MORE value, but for the same $197!

      Originally Posted by Ettienne View Post

      Thank you for sharing
      No problem!

      Originally Posted by coyahud View Post

      great posting bro
      Success take smart work
      I could't agree more!

      Originally Posted by Levira View Post

      I love this! I am a newbie and I have never thought of subscriptions. That has definitely set me thinking.
      Yes, it certainly will make your life easier!

      Originally Posted by allenjohn View Post

      Hi - Great share. Well done. Thanks Allen
      No problem!

      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      the problem with this entire strategy is, if you're having trouble just getting sales, you ain't going to be getting any subscription-based sales for sure because in my experience these are even tougher.

      people are reluctant to part with their cash - even more so in the context of a subscription payment.

      just to clarify though, I completely agree with you. I've tried and failed a few times with subscription based services.
      Get back on the horse! Your mindset is that "people are reluctant to part with their cash, so you will approach them as such."

      My mindset is that "people are dying to spend their cash!" and I approach them as such, it makes life easier...

      Originally Posted by lucio101 View Post

      Thanks for this great info. Instead of selling again and again just sell once and get paid lifetime. Great.
      You got it!

      Originally Posted by zannix View Post

      This is a great resource, thank you!

      Could someone be so kind and post the links to sign up for the newsletter of these gurus? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

      Thanks!
      Your welcome, I'm sure someone on here will be able to help you with that, I don't know where to sign up to their lists as I've done it years ago...

      Originally Posted by maxx12 View Post

      thanks for the info +1
      no problem!

      Originally Posted by highave View Post

      Sounds god..Wow! awesome stuff dude; Thanks for sharing with us. Future We can go for...
      your welcome, but you gotta go and try it!!!!

      Originally Posted by Tom Bartlett View Post

      Thanks - good post - from a real Im'er
      your welcome, thank you

      Originally Posted by komiolopo View Post

      damm what a history pmm


      Originally Posted by AmazeMe View Post

      Agreed. Very thorough.


      Originally Posted by palmer9999 View Post

      Great thread! to much in it to read it all lol!
      LOL, I hope you enjoyed it!
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  • Profile picture of the author WhosGotMoves
    Great thread here. I like posts like this which are simply wise words from real people. Nothing salesy about it, no promises, and no bs info from someone who obviously has been through the ringer with IM. Thanks for looking out for the new guy even if the pill is hard swallow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by WhosGotMoves View Post

      Great thread here. I like posts like this which are simply wise words from real people. Nothing salesy about it, no promises, and no bs info from someone who obviously has been through the ringer with IM. Thanks for looking out for the new guy even if the pill is hard swallow.
      No problem, people that think that giving value decreases interest in people buying don't really believe in themselves and their ability to provide more and more value eternally.

      The fact is, it's not that you have "one trick" to show people, you ARE a wealth of knowledge with infinite things to teach people because you are always growing and discovering new things. Here is a simple formula that I learned from the guy that runs this site: ( Great American Dream - Truth about how to make money fast ): Tell people what to do and then sell them on "how" to do it.

      If you tell people what to do and then how to do it, they won't buy as much. However people that sell a software solution SHOULD tell people what to do and how to do it, "manually" and then show them how to use their software to save them "hundreds of hours of manual labor" This will make the software solution irresistible to prospects...

      So be mindful of your marketplace and think about advice and how it applies to your niche first.
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    nice plan...and i think that a monthly subscription product will be much better cause these makes recurring sales...
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  • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
    Well said Derek. Ive been involved in IM for around 4 years+ but haven't made any seriously money until like a month ago when I did over $500 in one day. I work my ass off and then I do some more work. If anyone says they can push a few buttons and money will appear magically needs their heads testing or they clearly have been brain washed with the so called push button software make me $50k with little or no effort required!

    Yeh sounds great but in reality like anything in life and business you gotta work hard at it.

    If theres one piece of advice I can give to anyone reading this or starting out is just focus on one thing and keep going until you get the results you want.

    Heck if you got the money and not the time, invest in a mentor who actually still does what he/she teaches and most important of all delivers results equals they are making a lot of money, this will speed up your learning curve ten fold and avoid alot of pitfalls you may come across going alone.

    Hope that helps,
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  • Rico,

    There is some really great value and tips about IM at your Powerful and free IM lessons link. With no opt-in required, you are really giving back to newbies who need some guidance.

    Awesome

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  • Profile picture of the author IMmechanic
    It's interesting to hear that someone is actually pulling in 197 a month subscription charge in the IM niche. It leaves me wondering though what you are offering that could keep people on the hook for any amount of time for that amount.
    Obviously you are offering mentoring of some kind, but is that one on one mentoring. By email or by phone or neither strictly videos.
    I've been tinkering with the idea of equipping my website with a membership, but not at that cost. I would never pay it, unless it's for a software like SEnukeX.
    So what's your secret? What are you offering that is worth that price?
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by IMmechanic View Post

      It's interesting to hear that someone is actually pulling in 197 a month subscription charge in the IM niche. It leaves me wondering though what you are offering that could keep people on the hook for any amount of time for that amount.
      Obviously you are offering mentoring of some kind, but is that one on one mentoring. By email or by phone or neither strictly videos.
      I've been tinkering with the idea of equipping my website with a membership, but not at that cost. I would never pay it, unless it's for a software like SEnukeX.
      So what's your secret? What are you offering that is worth that price?
      This is not in the IM niche. I have spent the last three years making my living full time in a niche that has nothing to do with IM. I'm on here because I strongly believe that what I have learned will help others here.

      Remember this: You can charge what you want, just make sure that you provide enough value and perceived value to justify the cost and even make it look like a steal.

      Here is an example: Is $10,000 a lot of money? sure... What kind of product could I sell you that is worth this? I could sell you a high end course, might be hard to sell and a tough sale, but what would be a no-brainer? What if I were selling you a house? Now is this a high price? It's all about perceived and actual value.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerAderholdt
    Great point guys... it just goes to PROVE what I have been telling people for YEARS.

    It is just as easy to sell a $3,000 product on-line as it is to sell a $30.00 product on line.

    The time required is the SAME... Think article writing, link building...

    The Advertising Costs are the SAME... think PPC, Newspapers, Banner Ads.

    The conversions of TARGETED Clients are almost always the same for ME.... 1 out of 100.

    Think SMALL... Profit SMALL.

    Think BIG... Profit BIG.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBest
    Running membership sites is the way to go for making good money in IM...thanks for sharing your story.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by RogerAderholdt View Post

      Great point guys... it just goes to PROVE what I have been telling people for YEARS.

      It is just as easy to sell a $3,000 product on-line as it is to sell a $30.00 product on line.

      The time required is the SAME... Think article writing, link building...

      The Advertising Costs are the SAME... think PPC, Newspapers, Banner Ads.

      The conversions of TARGETED Clients are almost always the same for ME.... 1 out of 100.

      Think SMALL... Profit SMALL.

      Think BIG... Profit BIG.
      I couldn't agree more!
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  • Profile picture of the author sannyboy
    To the OP, I have to agree with a lot of what you say.

    I have got off of a hell of a lot of cr*ppy lists - lists that just promote. Constantly. I have never bought from any of them because they give me no reason to. I have however, bought from people (guru's if you have to give them a moniker) who tell me stuff I don't already know, or who clarify processes I might not fully understand. I buy from those that teach.

    Having said that, the most valuable lessons I have received from an IM point of view have come from the emails themselves. I don't want to get into the ethics of individuals, but it is pretty clear which few internet marketers can impart decent, well thought out information in exchange for payment of a product, over those who just scroll through ClickBank and copy and paste their ID's into BS emails. Or indeed the ones who rewrite (without adding anything extra) other products and pass them off as their own.

    My view? Lists - stay on if they teach you something. Of not, they only serve to hinder you.

    With regards a membership site, this is one of many ways to develop a business. For the couple of people who mentioned niches outside of IM and who are wanting to make $197 per month for a few months from 1 prospect - maybe a membership site is not the way forward.

    As an example, the person who mentioned weight loss. You might want to consider:

    Offering a 20 page report on weight loss - or a specific topic related to weight loss. If it is unique, and offers immense value, it is your 'USP'. Yes, this requires work on your part.

    After giving the prospect this report, why not ask them to join a separate list that costs $7, or $17 per month (or some such nominal amount), to receive ongoing information of equal or BETTER quality? People who want to lose weight will see this as a bargain after forking out for unquantifiable amounts of diet pills at extortionate prices. Advantage - no subscription site to maintain...

    If they join, you would have a subscriber for a lot more than 3 months. $7 is nothing to the average Joe looking to lose weight. If they don't you have their email anyway - offer them something else in exchange for their email address.

    Now, if you emailed them once a week for 3 weeks, imparting a whole load of good content, what would they think? If the stuff they read is good, and you have put some WORK in, they'll love it.

    So in the 4th week, if you have a series of 3/4/5 highly informative emails that lead up to a big 'reveal' (a product you recommend they buy to help their ongoing weight loss battle), how many sales do you think you could make? The product could be a 1 off $37 ebook. It could be a $17 Weight Watchers class with a massive discount. It could be a recurring $197 uber-weight loss site.

    Point is, as I think has been mentioned, put the work in, and deliver - sorry, over deliver - and you have your $197 (or almost any amount) any time you want it.

    People pay for good stuff. Unfortunately good stuff only seems to come to the people that work for it...

    Good thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by BizBest View Post

      Running membership sites is the way to go for making good money in IM...thanks for sharing your story.
      your welcome!

      Originally Posted by sannyboy View Post

      To the OP, I have to agree with a lot of what you say.

      I have got off of a hell of a lot of cr*ppy lists - lists that just promote. Constantly. I have never bought from any of them because they give me no reason to. I have however, bought from people (guru's if you have to give them a moniker) who tell me stuff I don't already know, or who clarify processes I might not fully understand. I buy from those that teach.

      Having said that, the most valuable lessons I have received from an IM point of view have come from the emails themselves. I don't want to get into the ethics of individuals, but it is pretty clear which few internet marketers can impart decent, well thought out information in exchange for payment of a product, over those who just scroll through ClickBank and copy and paste their ID's into BS emails. Or indeed the ones who rewrite (without adding anything extra) other products and pass them off as their own.

      My view? Lists - stay on if they teach you something. Of not, they only serve to hinder you.

      With regards a membership site, this is one of many ways to develop a business. For the couple of people who mentioned niches outside of IM and who are wanting to make $197 per month for a few months from 1 prospect - maybe a membership site is not the way forward.

      As an example, the person who mentioned weight loss. You might want to consider:

      Offering a 20 page report on weight loss - or a specific topic related to weight loss. If it is unique, and offers immense value, it is your 'USP'. Yes, this requires work on your part.

      After giving the prospect this report, why not ask them to join a separate list that costs $7, or $17 per month (or some such nominal amount), to receive ongoing information of equal or BETTER quality? People who want to lose weight will see this as a bargain after forking out for unquantifiable amounts of diet pills at extortionate prices. Advantage - no subscription site to maintain...

      If they join, you would have a subscriber for a lot more than 3 months. $7 is nothing to the average Joe looking to lose weight. If they don't you have their email anyway - offer them something else in exchange for their email address.

      Now, if you emailed them once a week for 3 weeks, imparting a whole load of good content, what would they think? If the stuff they read is good, and you have put some WORK in, they'll love it.

      So in the 4th week, if you have a series of 3/4/5 highly informative emails that lead up to a big 'reveal' (a product you recommend they buy to help their ongoing weight loss battle), how many sales do you think you could make? The product could be a 1 off $37 ebook. It could be a $17 Weight Watchers class with a massive discount. It could be a recurring $197 uber-weight loss site.

      Point is, as I think has been mentioned, put the work in, and deliver - sorry, over deliver - and you have your $197 (or almost any amount) any time you want it.

      People pay for good stuff. Unfortunately good stuff only seems to come to the people that work for it...

      Good thread.

      San
      very good contribution. I've seen some known marketers who I used to respect who now promote GARBAGE from clickbank ( sewage ) I have to honestly say that there are some good products on there, but the IM niche on clickbank desperately NEEDS a COMPLETE OVERHAUL.

      They have moderators, but they turn a blind eye to these high converting offers because they know people are so DESPERATE for a quick fix!

      You've seen the products where they say "push button" software and then when you order, you are upsold fifty times and then at the product area you realize they are talking about doing all the stuff you already know, such as article marketing, blog post commenting, etc. and their "push button" software just helps you spam all these sites, but what they don't tell you is that this DOES NOT WORK long term and it's a hell of a lot of work, even with the software! Plus this kind of marketing is not effective. Too many people are too lazy to work so they actually work harder trying to avoid working! When if they just did the actual work in the first place, they would be cashing checks instead of chasing dreams...

      I am ashamed of those known marketers, one of whom I've seen on here where he sends me emails every day about another "quick fix traffic miracle software" I don't know how he sleeps at night, but to each his own...

      However, they're not gonna do it until the FTC cracks down on them because it's too damn profitable, not to mention the LOADS of commissions clickbank steals but that's another topic. ( they stole commissions from me and I had to call them and speak very "strongly" with them and they ended up giving me back the money they stole.

      Be careful all of you who read this, be vigilant, if it sounds too good to be true, IT IS!!!!!!!!

      What ever happened to good old fashioned work? It truly is the ONLY way to success in this business.
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    congrats - i had a $382 day this week, best so far
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    Derek, Good thread you started.

    I am one of those who don't follow any gurus and I don't think we ll have to follow one to be successful.

    However, I think you have mad a great point. You don't have to buy their stuff, you can just watch what they do and learn. Keep the positive stuff and apply to your business and disregard the negative ones.

    I really appreciate the point, its been an aye opener for me. Although I recently had my first real success with my online business, I am still not catching up with the list building thing and it never even crossed my mind to do what you are saying to do, which is basically to follow these gurus and see how they do it and how they make and run their list, learn and apply it to your own list building. That is a great advice! Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
      Originally Posted by DrFresh View Post

      congrats - i had a $382 day this week, best so far
      great job, keep it up!

      Originally Posted by satrap View Post

      Derek, Good thread you started.

      I am one of those who don't follow any gurus and I don't think we ll have to follow one to be successful.

      However, I think you have mad a great point. You don't have to buy their stuff, you can just watch what they do and learn. Keep the positive stuff and apply to your business and disregard the negative ones.

      I really appreciate the point, its been an aye opener for me. Although I recently had my first real success with my online business, I am still not catching up with the list building thing and it never even crossed my mind to do what you are saying to do, which is basically to follow these gurus and see how they do it and how they make and run their list, learn and apply it to your own list building. That is a great advice! Thank you.
      Yes, I truly believe you get way more value from watching them then actually buying their stuff, because let's face it, $1997 or $2997 is a lot of money I don't care who you are. Even Donald Trump thinks about purchases at these price points and I believe we should too.

      We should not believe that the more expensive something is, the more valuable it is. In reality, the only reason they can command these prices is because they were brilliant in building the buzz. If you know how to build a buzz, you can charge what you feel you are worth, so bravo to them and we can all learn a thing or two about buzz from them.
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