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Fake reviews in WSO's

by Itachi
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Hello I just stumbled upon some thread where they discussed the matter of fake reviews , someone stated that the moderator can see IP's, this feature is very good I rememeber when I was admin of a Vbulletin forum you could indeed see IP's of posters , however , I just realised that some could simply "outsource" that to somebody else .. living in a different country for exemple , this rise some interesting questions regarding the possibility of fake reviews .. what you all think about this ?

I hope im not giving peoples ideas ..

But maybe it would be interesting to see some kind of professional reviewing for this forum , some kind of "ethical comitee" or i don't know just some random idea that's a bit too ambitious, i felt like sharing it
#controversial #fake #reviews #thread #wso
  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    Itachi,
    check out these 2 stickies at the top of the forum:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

    lots of warriors check things out and report their concerns to the mods. Also if you purchase a WSO and its has issues - feel free to discuss in the wso thread or directly with the vendor.

    The mods do a great job here - but they can't do it all - and I don't think we want to create too many committees to do what we all collectively can do well on our own.

    best,
    --Jack


    Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

    Hello I just stumbled upon some thread where they discussed the matter of fake reviews , someone stated that the moderator can see IP's, this feature is very good I rememeber when I was admin of a Vbulletin forum you could indeed see IP's of posters , however , I just realised that some could simply "outsource" that to somebody else .. living in a different country for exemple , this rise some interesting questions regarding the possibility of fake reviews .. what you all think about this ?

    I hope im not giving peoples ideas ..

    But maybe it would be interesting to see some kind of professional reviewing for this forum , some kind of "ethical comitee" or i don't know just some random idea that's a bit too ambitious, i felt like sharing it
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    • Profile picture of the author Itachi
      Yea i understand , that sounds good , but you can't really know until some older warrior purchase and give his review basically that's what i was saying.., and thanks , i did'nt know that you could'nt post on WSO this actually makes of me a lawbreaker because i asked a question on a WSO im interested in earler..

      I guess i should PM the person then next time .
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

        Yea i understand , that sounds good , but you can't really know until some older warrior purchase and give his review basically that's what i was saying.., and thanks , i did'nt know that you could'nt post on WSO this actually makes of me a lawbreaker because i asked a question on a WSO im interested in earler..

        I guess i should PM the person then next time .
        A good product, with owners who have the end user's best interest at heart, will endure scrutiny. IN FACT, I welcome questions/scrutiny whole-heartedly. As a 'potential' consumer, questions should be asked if you have any questions or concerned.

        Now, the thin grey line involved tact and professionalism in how you come across....I'm not advocating sabotaging someone's WSO thread, however, I do believe potential customers are entitled to ask questions regarding the strengths and weaknesses of a product. No product is perfect...but an owner that truly cares about a end user will address these issues, head-on, in a completely honest and transparent way.
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  • Profile picture of the author ladywriter
    When my fiverr gig was up, someone asked me to write multiple positive reviews for his/her WSO. I refused.

    I don't know what their name was here, and I'm not even sure they knew I posted here.

    So people try it, I don't know how successful they are/if the mods catch them.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeroosa
    Just like screenshots are faked and videos are faked, people will get false testimonials as well. I would guess if you made a big enough deal out of it, people would have to listen.
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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
    I think the best solution is HONEST peer review. I know sometimes it's difficult to say "hey, I used your product and it wasn't really that good, and here's why...."

    But if we do that, we are helping the whole community. Even the marketer (although it may be painful) at least he/she will know what to work on for the next time.

    I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I'll admit. I've been asked to review some products. I got the products and thought they sucked.. so i simply didn't respond. It would have been better if I had given some constructive feedback as to how the product might be improved (although with one - it was just so horrible I didn't even know what to say)

    Point is... we can be the guards. Let's not try to act like the current fed. gov. and try to impose a bunch of regulations and rules when we can do for ourselves.

    My opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

      I think the best solution is HONEST peer review. I know sometimes it's difficult to say "hey, I used your product and it wasn't really that good, and here's why...."
      I always feel compelled to leave my honest feedback because I value my reputation (or my own perception of myself) on this forum. I've only left a "scathing" review once and most of the time I just try to leave my thoughts in a critical thinking way. Not every WSO is going to work for me and I'll tell you why in my review--especially if I purchased it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

        Yea i understand , that sounds good , but you can't really know until some older warrior purchase and give his review basically that's what i was saying.., and thanks , i did'nt know that you could'nt post on WSO this actually makes of me a lawbreaker because i asked a question on a WSO im interested in earler..

        I guess i should PM the person then next time .
        Well, I need to tell you a story.

        I purchased a product which was pretty good. I left a review.

        I recently found out the person who did the initial WSO was a complete scammer of sorts. Product was good, but what they did after the fact was atrocious.

        So, am I to blame? Or the initial WSO poster?

        I gave very honest comments on my results.

        Just something to think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
    The best way to get reviews is the honest way. Create a valuable WSO, offer review copies to well known members and invite them to post their honest opinions on the thread.

    The good news - fakers and con artists will eventually be revealed by real warriors posting real reviews. Especially if they have shoddy products.
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  • Profile picture of the author jiantastic
    definitely unethical. I've seen some screenshots and videos on some WSOs. totally bogus. videos of people closing clients over the phone all hunky smooth. definitely bogus. out of 500 cold calls I've tried, only 1 gave me a maybe. hahha.
    screen shots can be easily faked for sure. If the seller does not offer support, that seller is definitely bogus. he/she only wants to sell the product and avoids in depth questions (only because he/she cannot answer them)
    makes the marketing community look bad...
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  • Profile picture of the author pmbrent
    Even if people do post fake reviews a real person will come along and post the truth about the WSO or product.
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    • Profile picture of the author la dominatrix
      Originally Posted by pmbrent View Post

      Even if people do post fake reviews a real person will come along and post the truth about the WSO or product.
      How many times have you seen anyone write that they have bought a product and thought it crap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benson P
    I have to agree, sadly, that unless you are a guru or already a reputable warrior here, WSO without reviews is a nightmare to run on.

    Even if you have put in 100% effort to create a worthy WSO and give the best support you can, without reviews or reputation, most likely it won't turn out good..

    I have tried offering my WSO for review to reputable warriors here through PM, but most will just ignore or when they do reply you back, they try to get you to buy their stuff instead..

    Not endorsing fake reviews, but i feel that having reviews is very important so much so that it will determine a failure or success(unless you found a partner to help you promote). And finding reputable members who are willing to review for you is pretty hard.

    my 2 cents..
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  • Profile picture of the author Pedro Borges
    It's not just here. You see fake reviews / testimonials everywhere. Youtube videos, sales letters, other forums, etc.

    It's just an easy way to increase your revenue easily. People tend to follow what other people do. That's why positive reviews are so powerfull :\
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    I love buying fiverr gigs for fake video reviews. But I have them turn it into a comedy and not try to pass it off as a real review.

    Its so damn easy to get real testimonials and endorsements. Why fake them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Itachi
      Great answers , thanks you all for your interest, I wanted to say what I think would be the best , give away some review copy at a cut price maybe .. or even offer refund , about that the WSO im interested in offer a 30 day back guarentee so ..nothing much i can loose , as long as he do indeed refund
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

        Great answers , thanks you all for your interest, I wanted to say what I think would be the best , give away some review copy at a cut price maybe .. or even offer refund , about that the WSO im interested in offer a 30 day back guarentee so ..nothing much i can loose , as long as he do indeed refund
        Many give away a limited supply of review copies.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr Blue
          LOL, i've bouth a WSo wher is writed a chapter about how to get "fake" reviews
          from a reputable member from here... i don't want to give the name ( but he used fiverr.com gigs for hes WSO )

          My opinion : If you have a really quality product to offer , you will get a tons of good reviews. And people must change a little bit their minde and think how to make a QUALITY WSO ! not how to get reviews .

          Reviews are coming by their own , like a bee to honey .
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        • Profile picture of the author davez
          I've seen a trend of giving a testimonial on a WSO, then promote it to your list.. Less than ethical in my book. Sheep should be careful in a world of Wolves..

          Just Sayin'
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by davez View Post

            I've seen a trend of giving a testimonial on a WSO, then promote it to your list.. Less than ethical in my book. Sheep should be careful in a world of Wolves..

            Just Sayin'
            Dave

            I will only promote products I believe to be of good value.

            So if I review it, then promote it, it seems a natural course of action.

            I don't promote everything I review, but if I like the product and it fits my list, why shouldn't I also promote it? How is that unethical?

            Just Sayin' Dave...

            Would it be preferable for me to promote products that I don't believe in and support?

            Does this point of view make me one of the wolves?
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            • Profile picture of the author davez
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              I will only promote products I believe to be of good value.

              So if I review it, then promote it, it seems a natural course of action.

              I don't promote everything I review, but if I like the product and it fits my list, why shouldn't I also promote it? How is that unethical?

              Just Sayin' Dave...

              Would it be preferable for me to promote products that I don't believe in and support?

              Does this point of view make me one of the wolves?
              I really doubt they buy them, it's ok if you buy it. I'm saying they leave a testimonial on something they've never bought, then promote it..

              Know this happens for a fact..
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by davez View Post

                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                I will only promote products I believe to be of good value.

                So if I review it, then promote it, it seems a natural course of action.

                I don't promote everything I review, but if I like the product and it fits my list, why shouldn't I also promote it? How is that unethical?

                Just Sayin' Dave...

                Would it be preferable for me to promote products that I don't believe in and support?

                Does this point of view make me one of the wolves?

                I really doubt they buy them, it's ok if you buy it. I'm saying they leave a testimonial on something they've never bought, then promote it..

                Know this happens for a fact..

                I know this happens too. I have done it once or twice.

                Regardless, I am not going to promote a product, unless I feel it offers good value to my subscribers.

                Just last week, I promoted a product that I did not buy. I was a beta-tester for the product. I was not asked to promote it, but after using it, I did sign up to promote it.

                I still don't see how what I have done is unethical, as you suggest.

                The issue is not whether I paid for the product or not. The real issue is whether I have honestly reviewed the product or not.

                I agree that it is unethical to give a positive spin to a product that I have not seen or reviewed myself. And if I do that, I would deserve any bad reputation I gain from having done so.

                When someone endorses a product that has lies in the sales copy or the product just does not live up to the review someone gives it, then that person deserves the negative hit to his or her reputation.

                I have unsubbed lists where someone endorsed a product that had obvious lies in the sales copy. I unfollow people who attempt to deceive me. My gut instinct is that if they will lie to me once, they will lie to me often.

                You seem to be trying to draw distinctions that don't address the real problem.

                Just Sayin' Dave. :p

                Am I a wolf because I have done those things that you say indicate a wolf on the prowl?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dean Martin
            Originally Posted by davez View Post

            I've seen a trend of giving a testimonial on a WSO, then promote it to your list.. Less than ethical in my book. Sheep should be careful in a world of Wolves..
            I'm not sure I follow this logic.

            As tpw mentioned - I also purchased a lot of products. Very few of them are good enough to promote to one of my lists.

            When I do find a gem though, I leave a positive review either in the WSO or send to the creator, and then promote it. Sometimes there's affiliate commission involved and sometimes not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naanajud567
    Well, this is really sometimes unavoidable when we talk of marketing. these days it is very easy and so cheap to get testimonials outsource.... some are even willing to give it for free...
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    • Profile picture of the author Itachi
      I must agree with tpw, if you genuinely think the WSO is good , why would you not promote it to your list ?? Of course if it happen to be a crappy WSO i can see what you mean , but in the case the WSO/product is actually good i don't see why one would'nt promote it to his list .
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      • Profile picture of the author xento
        I think the best review can only be your own. It's pretty much a standard now to have a money back guarantee. These types of products can only give a vague description without revealing their core strategy, so in most cases you only really know what you've purchased once you get access to it. I think the most important review point is whether or not the seller honors his refund requests.
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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Scott
          Originally Posted by xento View Post

          I think the best review can only be your own. It's pretty much a standard now to have a money back guarantee. These types of products can only give a vague description without revealing their core strategy, so in most cases you only really know what you've purchased once you get access to it. I think the most important review point is whether or not the seller honors his refund requests.
          Great points you make there.
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          • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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            Based on a few recent purchases, I pretty much just assume every review is BS these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    Checking the IP's won't really help... my friend is a pretty experienced warrior and he has gotten lot's of PM's saying "If you write a good review I'll give you my WSO free" or something along those lines.

    This is why I don't pay too much attention to reviews and testimonials.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    Even if the product is good, I get the feeling that most of those reviews are just off warriors who have been asked to review and leave a response (previews before releasing in WSO section).

    I'm no-where near where I'd like to be (Not even considered an authority in this forum, yet), and just because I'm a regular poster I get plenty of PM's asking me to review a product and leave them some feedback they could use.

    Since most reviews or comments I read are vague or similar, as in, they say "this product is great, no fluff, teaches how to do everything properly" but never any mention of how they've done with it, how much they've put into action and so forth, I never bother to believe or listen to them.

    I very rarely even take much notice of the benefits. I've been scammed so many times I can skim the copy and pick out a few sentences or words that lets me know whether it would be worth my time or not, or whether they are lying to their teeth.

    That isn't to say I still don't get fooled.

    Funny thing, you might like it tpw I've bought soo many WSO's in the past (when I didn't know what to do), that I've actually bought one of tpw's products twice! Bah, you lucky sod! haha Lucky I liked the product!
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    • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      Even if the product is good, I get the feeling that most of those reviews are just off warriors who have been asked to review and leave a response (previews before releasing in WSO section).

      I'm no-where near where I'd like to be (Not even considered an authority in this forum, yet), and just because I'm a regular poster I get plenty of PM's asking me to review a product and leave them some feedback they could use.

      Since most reviews or comments I read are vague or similar, as in, they say "this product is great, no fluff, teaches how to do everything properly" but never any mention of how they've done with it, how much they've put into action and so forth, I never bother to believe or listen to them.

      I very rarely even take much notice of the benefits. I've been scammed so many times I can skim the copy and pick out a few sentences or words that lets me know whether it would be worth my time or not, or whether they are lying to their teeth.

      That isn't to say I still don't get fooled.

      Funny thing, you might like it tpw I've bought soo many WSO's in the past (when I didn't know what to do), that I've actually bought one of tpw's products twice! Bah, you lucky sod! haha Lucky I liked the product!
      Lol, this is the funniest thing i heard whole day
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      Funny thing, you might like it tpw I've bought soo many WSO's in the past (when I didn't know what to do), that I've actually bought one of tpw's products twice! Bah, you lucky sod! haha Lucky I liked the product!

      LOL

      Let me know which one you paid for twice, and I will refund the over-payment.

      I am glad you did enjoy my products, but there is no need for you to buy them twice.
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by la dominatrix View Post

        How many times have you seen anyone write that they have bought a product and thought it crap.
        Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

        Even if the product is good, I get the feeling that most of those reviews are just off warriors who have been asked to review and leave a response (previews before releasing in WSO section).

        I'm no-where near where I'd like to be (Not even considered an authority in this forum, yet), and just because I'm a regular poster I get plenty of PM's asking me to review a product and leave them some feedback they could use.

        Since most reviews or comments I read are vague or similar, as in, they say "this product is great, no fluff, teaches how to do everything properly" but never any mention of how they've done with it, how much they've put into action and so forth, I never bother to believe or listen to them.

        I very rarely even take much notice of the benefits. I've been scammed so many times I can skim the copy and pick out a few sentences or words that lets me know whether it would be worth my time or not, or whether they are lying to their teeth.

        That isn't to say I still don't get fooled.

        Funny thing, you might like it tpw I've bought soo many WSO's in the past (when I didn't know what to do), that I've actually bought one of tpw's products twice! Bah, you lucky sod! haha Lucky I liked the product!
        What do you base your buying decision on when you buy online?
        1) Do i need/want the product.
        2) The sellers description of their product.
        3) Reviews of the product left by other buyers.

        If the seller is deceptive and their description is not accurate then hopefully the "honest" reviews by other buyers would give you a warning.
        The opposite is true for a great product.
        Unfortunately many of the reviews in the WSO section are woefully inadequate and cannot be used to make a informed decision.

        This is especially true for people who get a "review copy" you would think that they would at least give a thorough review, this is almost never the case though. It's almost like they have a review swipe file that they just copy and paste.

        What about doing your due diligence before you buy, yeah thats great but some of the sellers are unknowns, so all you have to go on are the reviews.

        The only upside is that most of the WSO's are < $20 so if you get a lemon and there is no chance of a refund then you won't be out a whole lot.

        Of course there are some gems and bargains to be had in the WSO section...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    looking through the records, though I suspect it's going to be hard to find, I've ordered warrior products with over 20 paypal accounts (I was at university).

    Keep it, I'm not in need anymore

    But looking at my history is damn painful, I didn't realise my destructive nature, jeez:

    21 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$497.00

    21 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$10.00

    21 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$8.77

    21 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$49.00

    21 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$14.95

    20 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$17.00

    20 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$9.00

    19 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$37.00

    17 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$17.00

    17 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$30.00

    16 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$17.00

    14 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$19.95

    13 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$1,050.00

    11 Jan Payment To xxx Completed Details Payment To xxx -$1.00

    That's only a small sample too, the rest looks just as bad, and the dates are close together.

    Damn it, I keep hijacking threads, I'm on a roll today, though atleast I have added an on-topic valued post above ^_^

    Take it from someone who has experience guys, doing the above is neither healthy for your health, or recommended for success, it only helps to extend the time in which it takes to succeed

    *EDIT* just roughly added it up, during that time I manage to spend roughly 1780, and that's only on this account. The rest suggest I spent in excess of 5000 dollars.

    Weird to think that I hardly even remember this :O
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      Take it from someone who has experience guys, doing the above is neither healthy for your health, or recommended for success, it only helps to extend the time in which it takes to succeed

      Great observation Jason.

      I will try to find the duplicate transaction on this end for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Great observation Jason.

        I will try to find the duplicate transaction on this end for you.
        Could be hard if it was bought under another persons account. You could check either under my name, my girlfriends name Chloe Bennett, my friends name Rob Macdougal, or another friend called David underwoord.

        Other than that, the other names are hard to remember. At this point I was losing my mother who was in induced coma, and I did everything to carry-on buying products (depression). Thank-fully, she made full recovery

        *EDIT*

        Anyway, to qualify my off-topic post as infact "on-topic", I'd like to say my above data counts to validate my experience in buying WSO's, and that my observation is from personal experience, and a lot of it at that.
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    Itachi I agree with you on some type of committee review! Why because I see new wso's all the time being released with all star. Stellar reviews. That's nice but nothing is one sided! . A little pessimism can be good! I want to know the good as well as the bad points of the wso. We're adults! Give it to us straight and let us decide to buy or not to but!
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  • Profile picture of the author IntegMark
    Buying a WSO without first really understanding the product is a lot like thinking you know what the news is because you've read the headline.

    In a news cycle they create the "sale" by placing the details below the fold ...

    "75% of people think Cheese is harmful" <-- headline

    "We asked 4 people their opinion of cheese and 3 said they got sick after eating some." <-- below the fold

    How many people would think they know the 'news' and would tell others that '75% of people think cheese is harmful' ....

    It happens all the time.

    That's kind of how I see reviews.

    The WSO owner 'owns and controls' the top post. Reviews are usually added after the initial WSO release and are culled from the comments below.

    In a thread of 30 reviews where only 13 are good, those 13 are the only one's that matter to the WSO owner and the only one's likely to be used as 'review material' -- because the job of the WSO owner isn't to have people read through the whole thread -- it's to have them only read the first post... the WSO itself (kind of like the headline and the first couple of paragraphs of a news article).

    The reviews may really stink for the product and the WSO owner may very well be a scammer ... but if someone can succeed in selling a WSO (or anything for that matter) in the first post - in other words, stop people from reading below the first post, then they've done their job because they've likely created a sale.

    Bottom line -- dig deeper - learn more - and for crying out loud - be SMART about what you spend your hard earned dollars on.
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