Giving your affiliates a FREE copy of your product

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Hey all

I just listed my Clickbank product in the Clickbank Marketplace yesterday. I was sent an email by a potential affiliate today, requesting a free version of my product.

I am not in the IM niche.

I expect I will be receiving more of these requests in the future. Now from what I understand about business in general and affiliates marketing your product, you aught to be helping your affiliates out as much as you can, so I didn't hesitate to give this guy a free copy of my product.

I just wanted to ask if this is normal practice for my fellow Clickbank vendors, and if there is anything I should watch out for?

Thanks in advance.

Id expect a review copy from the vendor if i was promoting thier product so that i could give a detailed report and for squeeze pages etc

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edakehurst 12 years ago

I would not give a free copy to an affiliate unless I knew personally that they had an uber-responsive list.

The most I would do if I don't know them would be to give them a shot by saying they can buy it and if they get x number of sales in so many days, I'll paypal them a bonus equal to the cost of the product.
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Bradley J Anderson

12 years ago

You'll get a lot of free-loaders and product thieves asking for copies, that's for sure, but there are others who are legitimately trying to evaluate your product, so you have to strike a balance. You definitely do not want to give them out to anyone claiming they are considering becoming an affiliate, though.

Ask about their background in affiliate marketing. Ask what kinds of methods they will be using to promote your product. Ask to see the sites they will be promoting on.

Generally, you'll find that free-loaders and product thieves don't like to be asked a lot of questions.

Legitimate affiliate marketers will usually have no problem answering your questions, on the other hand.

Giving out samples and review copies isn't necessarily a bad thing, just be careful who you give them to.

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roypreece

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson

You'll get a lot of free-loaders and product thieves asking for copies, that's for sure, but there are others who are legitimately trying to evaluate your product, so you have to strike a balance. You definitely do not want to give them out to anyone claiming they are considering becoming an affiliate, though.

Ask to see the sites they will be promoting on.

That's a fair response. They are asking for a favour from you. You have every right to ask in return HOW they are going to use that favour.

If they can't (or won't) answer -- decline them.

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StevenJones 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson

Giving out samples and review copies isn't necessarily a bad thing, just be careful who you give them to.

As you don't want your stuff to be leached before you even trying to sell it.
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pmbrent

12 years ago

You could also provide a demo version of your product in addition to asking about their affiliate marketing experience.

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SB274

12 years ago

Chris is exactly right. The people that are asking for review copies are most likely intending to promote your product. It definitely helps create a better relationship between vendor and affiliate if you are willing to give your affiliates the opportunity to see the product before it launches.

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Just give it to them. Most people have no idea what an affiliate or a review copy is.

If they say they are an affiliate and ask for a review copy then they are not going to be some random member of the public needing your book but not wanting to pay for it.

As an affiliate as well as a vendor, if I find a vendor not sending me what I need, I just promote the offer of the one who got back to me much quicker instead.

Interrogate them if you want, but you risk throwing away free money!

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Steven Dybka

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Hey all

I just listed my Clickbank product in the Clickbank Marketplace yesterday. I was sent an email by a potential affiliate today, requesting a free version of my product.

I am not in the IM niche.

I expect I will be receiving more of these requests in the future. Now from what I understand about business in general and affiliates marketing your product, you aught to be helping your affiliates out as much as you can, so I didn't hesitate to give this guy a free copy of my product.

I just wanted to ask if this is normal practice for my fellow Clickbank vendors, and if there is anything I should watch out for?

Thanks in advance.

I would only hand out a free copy to someone I had previously done business with before,if they produced sales for me in the past then with out a doubt they would get a copy,I would not hand out free copies to anyone who asks though.

Steve

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JohnMcCabe 12 years ago

I'm closest to agreeing with Chris, with the following caveats...

> Is the request reasonably professional, or does it look like a cut and paste job sent to look for freebies?

> What's the nature of the product? For an ebook outside of the MMO arena, I'd be inclined to send it if they satisfy the first test. For a membership site, or some other ongoing service product, I'd be inclined to go the 'trial period' route, giving access for long enough to evaluate the product. For software and other products popular on torrents and other pirate sites, I'd go the quiz route and trust my gut.
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thomtyro

Banned 12 years ago

Of course you should give him a review copy. When you are SURE he has a domain ranking well, you will know that there is NO way he will post it on some Bl4kH4t forum or somewhere else. I am an affiliate and always have had a review copy of a product I promote. How will I make a good review and sell it if i don't have it? And why should I buy it? Affiliates and Authors work together on same project.

You won't have 1000s review copy requests. You will have a 100 or so. You will choose the really trustworthy ones of them and start sending copies. I would never give it someone else for free if i were your affiliate...I don't understand why people have fear from this

. But you really should check for domain rankings. This is your best choice!

A domain COM costs $12 + the time to make the page and all the work on SEO... Your affiliates have paid for your product

. Don't you think?

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ayma

12 years ago

Personally, If I was to promote a product, I would buy it first and see if it's worth what it claims. You can't be passionate about a product, if you don't know if it does what it claims.

I am not into digital products, but it may be a good idea to give some review copies to your affiliates - of course the ones who have a good reputation.

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timpears

12 years ago

I would ask them to qualify themselves. Show you some of their other sites that promote CB products, what kind of a list do they have and anything else you can think of that would tell you they really are an affiliate marketer and not just a freebie seaker.

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AmandaT

12 years ago

Personally I would be unlikely to want to review something if I was denied a review copy. How can we do a quality review without trying the product? Not to mention making sure it is worthwhile for whoever we are marketing to. If I was asked to buy the product instead I would simply move on to the next similar product and ask them instead.

Of course, I also agree that anyone wanting a review copy needs to provide some information... such as how they plan to market the product, a link to their site, and their success in the past to allow you to make an informed decision.

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Snow_Predator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Just give it to them. Most people have no idea what an affiliate or a review copy is.

If they say they are an affiliate and ask for a review copy then they are not going to be some random member of the public needing your book but not wanting to pay for it.

As an affiliate as well as a vendor, if I find a vendor not sending me what I need, I just promote the offer of the one who got back to me much quicker instead.

Interrogate them if you want, but you risk throwing away free money!

That's exactly what I was thinking and the attitude I've taken. Of course my affiliates need a review copy, I don't want them telling lies about my product, that would damage my reputation.

I need to work with my affiliates and show that I trust them. Asking them for proof that they have a responsive list or a ranking website is sort of like a restaurant demanding payment in advance of your meal because they don't trust that you'll pay up - it just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

I'm closest to agreeing with Chris, with the following caveats...

> Is the request reasonably professional, or does it look like a cut and paste job sent to look for freebies?

> What's the nature of the product? For an ebook outside of the MMO arena, I'd be inclined to send it if they satisfy the first test. For a membership site, or some other ongoing service product, I'd be inclined to go the 'trial period' route, giving access for long enough to evaluate the product. For software and other products popular on torrents and other pirate sites, I'd go the quiz route and trust my gut.

Here's the email I got:

"Hey {MY PEN-NAME},

Just spotted your product on Clickbank. Could you send me an affiliate copy? It doesn't have to be a full document, just an index would do.

Thanks
{NAME}"

Maybe not all that professional, but it sure does seem genuine if he's saying 'just an index would do.'

Thankfully I'm outside the MMO niche, so I'm guessing the number of freebie seekers will be very small if not negligible.

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Bradley J Anderson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

I need to work with my affiliates and show that I trust them. Asking them for proof that they have a responsive list or a ranking website is sort of like a restaurant demanding payment in advance of your meal because they don't trust that you'll pay up - it just doesn't work.

Here's the email I got:

"Hey {MY PEN-NAME},

Just spotted your product on Clickbank. Could you send me an affiliate copy? It doesn't have to be a full document, just an index would do.

Thanks
{NAME}"

Maybe not all that professional, but it sure does seem genuine if he's saying 'just an index would do.'

Thankfully I'm outside the MMO niche, so I'm guessing the number of freebie seekers will be very small if not negligible.

Your restaurant example is nowhere near being the same thing. You're not asking them for money up front. You're simply asking a few questions first. And they don't necessarily have to be 10 years in the business with sites that pull in 10,000 visitors a day. There are newbies out there, too. But I want to hear that they have a plan. That shows me they are a real marketer.

You seem to be thinking that it's an 'all or nothing' thing. "If someone asks, I have to automatically send it". No, you don't. Review copies are fine, as long as you practice a bit of due diligence first. Just don't send them out willy nilly.

I agree with you regarding the person who sent you the email requesting to see the index; there is definitely nothing wrong with that. My trust level in this person would have went up, as well.

Here's the most important point for me, though:

If you notice, not one affiliate marketer here has said that they would be offended if you asked them a few questions first. Three questions is hardly an 'interrogation'. A couple of vendors said that, probably because they are assuming how they would feel in that position, but not the marketers. I am an affiliate marketer myself, and when I do request a review copy I always include this info even without being asked. To me it's no different than including a resume for a job.

BTW, asking those questions also shows the potential affiliate that you are a professional, as well, which will increase his trust in your product and you.

That's my take on it, anyway...

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SuResearcher

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Maybe not all that professional, but it sure does seem genuine if he's saying 'just an index would do.'

Thankfully I'm outside the MMO niche, so I'm guessing the number of freebie seekers will be very small if not negligible.

I like the fact that he was ok with just the index. This indicates that he is trying to get a feel for your product. What it covers and the angles he can take to promote it.

If you want, you can watermark the affiliate copy. This way they have to do a little extra work if they want to be shady.

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Bradley J Anderson 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SuResearcher

If you want, you can watermark the affiliate copy. This way they have to do a little extra work if they want to be shady.

Now that is a good idea.

Thought I would include this link just to stir up the pot some more:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ew-copies.html
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celente

12 years ago

this is bad.

Gets up my nose a little bit but had no idea this sort of stuff goes on over there.

This is not good, and I recall getting one of these emails back in dec last year.

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Snow_Predator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson

Your restaurant example is nowhere near being the same thing. You're not asking them for money up front. You're simply asking a few questions first. And they don't necessarily have to be 10 years in the business with sites that pull in 10,000 visitors a day. There are newbies out there, too. But I want to hear that they have a plan. That shows me they are a real marketer.

You seem to be thinking that it's an 'all or nothing' thing. "If someone asks, I have to automatically send it". No, you don't. Review copies are fine, as long as you practice a bit of due diligence first. Just don't send them out willy nilly.

I agree with you regarding the person who sent you the email requesting to see the index; there is definitely nothing wrong with that. My trust level in this person would have went up, as well.

Here's the most important point for me, though:

If you notice, not one affiliate marketer here has said that they would be offended if you asked them a few questions first. Three questions is hardly an 'interrogation'. A couple of vendors said that, probably because they are assuming how they would feel in that position, but not the marketers. I am an affiliate marketer myself, and when I do request a review copy I always include this info even without being asked. To me it's no different than including a resume for a job.

BTW, asking those questions also shows the potential affiliate that you are a professional, as well, which will increase his trust in your product and you.

That's my take on it, anyway...

Hmm interesting. I do like the whole professionalism thing you mention. If I were to walk into a job interview only to realize that they've just decided to enroll me without wanting to know anything about me, the job itself would instantly have less value and appeal to me, as there was no prequalification for me to get the job. Plus the business could suffer as I may have no idea how to do the job.

Originally Posted by SuResearcher

I like the fact that he was ok with just the index. This indicates that he is trying to get a feel for your product. What it covers and the angles he can take to promote it.

If you want, you can watermark the affiliate copy. This way they have to do a little extra work if they want to be shady.

An excellent idea!

Originally Posted by celente

this is bad.

Gets up my nose a little bit but had no idea this sort of stuff goes on over there.

This is not good, and I recall getting one of these emails back in dec last year.

Hello Celente. I follow your posts quite diligently. I have learned quite a bit from you and have even decided to give list-building a second go.

But I have no idea what you're talking about here o_O

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ladywriter

12 years ago

I am a complete newb but my first impression would be that someone's black hat e-book listed "asking for review copies" as a way to get information/ideas for their own product/site/etc. That might be a minority of requestors but....

Requesting just the index seems ok though....it's almost like he/she realizes that you might not want to share the whole thing without purchase and is trying to work with you.

*sits back down in newbie corner*

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CDarklock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

I just wanted to ask if this is normal practice for my fellow Clickbank vendors, and if there is anything I should watch out for?

Most affiliate marketers are directed by their coaches - if they have them - to get copies of all the products they want to promote and try them out to make sure they're worth promoting.

They are also told that they should try the following approaches:

1. Ask the vendor for a free copy before you promote.

2. Failing that, ask if you can have a discount.

3. If you can't, buy a copy through your own affiliate link if this is allowed.

4. If it's not, buy a copy at regular price.

Now, that said, a lot of affiliates simply ask for the free copy and if they can't have one they move to the next product. There are MORE than enough products on Clickbank, so even if you only promote the ones that give you free review copies, you'll never run out of things to promote.

Personally, I prefer to jump straight to #4 - because if it's worth promoting I'll make a lot more than that in commissions, and if it's not worth promoting then the vendor isn't getting what he's "paying" for with the review copy.

But then, I don't promote a lot of Clickbank stuff.

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JohnMcCabe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

I need to work with my affiliates and show that I trust them. Asking them for proof that they have a responsive list or a ranking website is sort of like a restaurant demanding payment in advance of your meal because they don't trust that you'll pay up - it just doesn't work.

You may want to rethink this example...

> Every fast food joint I've ever been to has asked for payment up front for exactly the reason you mention.

> Demanding payment is much different than asking a few questions about what goes into a dish, how it's prepared, etc.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Here's the email I got:

"Hey {MY PEN-NAME},

Just spotted your product on Clickbank. Could you send me an affiliate copy? It doesn't have to be a full document, just an index would do.

Thanks
{NAME}"

Maybe not all that professional, but it sure does seem genuine if he's saying 'just an index would do.'

Thankfully I'm outside the MMO niche, so I'm guessing the number of freebie seekers will be very small if not negligible.

For a simple ebook, that would get the review copy from me outside the MMO niche. If the old Spidey sense tingled, I'd send the index and a sample chapter.

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ezbiz

12 years ago

I would require at least 5 sales from the affiliate first..

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nagidr

12 years ago

i gave today my product to an affiliate,there is no way to convince an affiliate to promote your stuff.just before giving it away,make sure he has a big enough list!..

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Charlotte Jay

12 years ago

I don't typically ask for a free copy of products that I want to promote on the digital marketplace. I think it makes me look like a freeloader and I don't want to build that kind of relationship with the vendor. I do promote WSO's on the WF and I will sometimes get free review copies so that I can promote products. While it's appreciated, I definitely don't expect it. I enjoy promoting for others, but I would much rather have a trusted relationship with the product owner, than stand with my hand out looking for freebies.

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jackpot9

12 years ago

I always send an email to ask for a copy of the product which I'm intending to promote from the vendor.

What I'll do is to introduce myself, and my website on which I'll be promoting it, and letting the vendor know why I'm asking a copy of the product (most times, it's to follow up with my subscribers through email with a more detailed review of the product).

90% of vendors would respond within just a couple of days giving me access to their product, and those who don't i usually go on to promote a competitors' product instead.

I imagine there will be many freebie seekers out there who ain't real affiliates so the best practice would be to ask them more questions if you find them fishy (i.e. what's your website? where will you be promoting my product etc etc)

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John Romaine

12 years ago

Maybe they should just buy it under their own affiliate ID? :rolleyes:

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colie3188

12 years ago

DEMO Version.

or

Request more information on their background unless you already know them personally.

But to be honest, I personally don't waste too much time trying to fend off free loaders... You get them every, especially if your launching on ClickBank the refund rates are ridiculous and is not doing ClickBank any favours at the moment.

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Mike Ogbin

12 years ago

In my opinion you should give them a demo of your product; explain to them the global idea of your strategies to let them interesting and passionate about promoting your product.

This action make you protected by the thieves and also make your affiliates satisfied and be happy promoting your product, maybe you would tell them to buy your products and after they reach a several sales you will send them them the price that they spent when they bought the product from you in the first time.

I hope this help you for acting safety with your potential affiliates.

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davemiz

12 years ago

its a catch 22 from both sides.... i'm mostly a vendor...

too many new affiliates ask for it before making any sales.... for a vendor... we know 80%+ of affiliates don't do anything.... so they're basically getting free products.

i require at least 1 sale before giving a review copy.

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myob 12 years ago

As an affiliate, I have found it to be far more productive to just buy the products using one's affiliate link than to obtain a review copy, especially those that seem to be hyped. Vendors who have sent me "review copies" seem to feel affiliates are obligated to promote their crappy products favorably just because they got it "free".
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12 years ago

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davidtong 12 years ago

You can do what Google and Amazon do with their books, remove certain pages in each chapter, aka incomplete peek.

You still get a whole lot of info but only about 40% of the content. I'm saying this as a customer though, whenever I buy a book online, what I see from those snippets of sample info is enough for me to judge whether it's worth trying/buying or not.
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- jeffster 12 years ago
  
  In the IM niche you might get a lot of freeloaders. The other niches probably aren't so bad. Having said that, if in their email they
  1) show that they are reasonably genuine and professional,
  2) let me know that they have an established website and
  3) let me know how they will promote the product
  I'd probably give them a review copy.
  
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JamesGw

12 years ago

If they have a halfway decent website, you might as well just give it to them. It's not like you're losing money on giving them a review copy since you're not selling a physical product. Just don't make a habit out of sending review copies to every guy that thinks he might want to be an affiliate marketer at some point in his life.

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Reed7

12 years ago

That's a very good question, and I would hope more than likely most are truly interested in selling your product.
Call them on skype, and chat, then you will know before handing anything out, second, any refs with other sellers in CB, you can contact, and confirm their history...

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RayWhittaker

12 years ago

I don't get it guys!

Snow_Predator is talking about a clickbank product that anyone can buy and ask for a full and immediate refund, no questions asked. What's the advantage of holding back for payment other than weeding out the odd freebee seeker?

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Mike Baker

12 years ago

I can't see what the fuss is all about! If they really want to promote your product surely they would have gone through it first? And by that I don't mean that they ask for a review copy. They should be buying it from you, going through it with a fine-tooth comb and then deciding if it's worth promoting or not.

Too many people will promote anything at all these days without a second thought of what is actually in the product. The product might have a title of "Make $20,000 in 20 days" but after reading it could all be about something illegal or unethical. Would you really want to promote something like that?

You should only want to promote something after you have bought it and think it would be good for your list or site visitors!

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wgempire

12 years ago

I would check out their website first, but I too would want to check out the product before I promoted it. I normal ask for a review copy or affiliate copy of product myself, if they wont give one I just buy it myself through my affiliate link. Very hard to write an honest review without first checking out the product yourself.

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sandrasims

12 years ago

Charlotte, well said!

I think it makes me look like a freeloader and I don't want to build that kind of relationship with the vendor.

I only give review copies to people who I already have a relationship with, who are often leaders in the niche.

However I do allow affiliates to purchase using their own affiliate link.

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Debra Barrow

12 years ago

Do you have adequate promotional tools for the affiliates? Maybe they need more information in order to understand your product.

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Kierkegaard

12 years ago

A vendor should be able to tell from the email whether the affiliate is serious or not.

An affiliate can tell whether the vendor is serious or not by whether he's willing to send out a review copy.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kierkegaard

A vendor should be able to tell from the email whether the affiliate is serious or not.

An affiliate can tell whether the vendor is serious or not by whether he's willing to send out a review copy.

This ^^^. Exactly.

If they help anyone, there are suggestions here on how to ask a vendor for a "review copy".

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WriterWahm 12 years ago

I've just started with affiliate marketing and the other day got a mail from a vendor asking me to become an affiliate. I don't know if that is standard but I like the idea of what they are promoting and have been thinking of asking for a review copy, only I didn't know how to go about it.

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- Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by WriterWahm
  
  I've just started with affiliate marketing and the other day got a mail from a vendor asking me to become an affiliate.
  
  Well, that's someone who really ought to be willing to give out free review copies (one would think), if he's asking you? :confused:
  
  If you've just started affiliate marketing, have a look at the product and a good look at the sales page, make sure there aren't any "leaks" on it, and so on. But if you think it might convert the traffic you can send to it, give it a try? If they help at all, there are some "product selection tips" here (written specifically for ClickBank products but some of the ten little points apply equally to "other products", too).
  
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Miguelito203

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Hey all

I just listed my Clickbank product in the Clickbank Marketplace yesterday. I was sent an email by a potential affiliate today, requesting a free version of my product.

I am not in the IM niche.

I expect I will be receiving more of these requests in the future. Now from what I understand about business in general and affiliates marketing your product, you aught to be helping your affiliates out as much as you can, so I didn't hesitate to give this guy a free copy of my product.

I just wanted to ask if this is normal practice for my fellow Clickbank vendors, and if there is anything I should watch out for?

Thanks in advance.

We affiliates need certain info in order to promote products, especially those of us who don't just like sending out links. The way I see it, affiliates who ask for review copies know what they are doing and already have their stuff going on. You don't learn about the launch process and all that stuff as a noobie (at least I didn't).

Joey

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