Successful and Unsuccessful Internet Marketers

I shouldn't be saying this as many people would be upset with it. But for the sake of...

Most experts release their methods for other members to follow only after they have squeezed the juice out of that method and there is nothing much left to get out of that method, that way they earn some more out of it.

Several reasons, and yes it's true that many people don't build a product around a method until it's "dead" for them.

Another reason is that you might be lacking the experience of those who've been successful for a long time. The thing is that even if their system DO make them $10k/month or whatever, unless you have the exact same experience and skills as them, you won't get the same results.

In Internet marketing there are often hundreds of tiny variables that all have to line up for good results. Something as small as the font you use on your sites can impact your bottom line (though that's admittedly a very small variable).

Another factor is time. Most "gurus" claim success in ridiculous time frames, and yes it can happen, but for most people it really takes a long time to see big success.

Reason #1: It often has nothing to DO with saturation. It's
just a matter of "work ethic", "timing", and a bit of luck.

I've used methods and systems people swore up and down
were "saturated"...then I come through and knock the wall
down in sales.

How did "I" make it work while so many others struggle with
the same exact method?

Decent sales & marketing skills and experience.

...do this long enough you get a "feel" for what will work and
what will not. You learn to trust your gut instinct. However...

understanding HOW TO SALE AND MARKET (human psychology)
gives these "experts - as you call them - the "edge" you think
you DON'T have.

...and that comes largely from experience.

Reason #2: It's not "DUPLICATABLE".

My average income using online marketing to grow businesses
is between $1000-$2000. It fluctuates depending on what I'm
doing outside of online marketing (my focus shifted offline last
5 months). So...

what I'm about to say doesn't come from "bitterness" or hate
for online endeavors. Just an observation.

There are few, if ANY duplicatable online systems. Sure...

there are methods and systems you can COPY to make your
own -- but to duplicate a SUCCESSFUL working system in the
online world could mean business "suicide" to the creator.

Here's how ti GENERALLY works:

1. Experts sell a LEGITIMATE course on how to drive traffic
using backlinks, SEO, YouTube, PPC, Banner Ads, Twitter, etc.

2. They show you EXACTLY how they had success driving
traffic to their online BUSINESS using any or all of these...

3. But they would NEVER in a million years "give you" their PPC
ad campaign, twitter account, website, youtube account, or
CPA "winning campaign" for YOU to duplicate.

and they "couldn't" -- because it would create competition for
THEM instantly on what they worked hard to put together and
sell in the first place.

In other words - if TOO many people use the EXACT same sys-
tem/method/strategy/loophole/trick to drive traffic/sales/profit...

it could create a problem for the creator -- and pretty soon they
would RELY on the product sales of their strategy to support
them and not the system/method/strategy itself.

So...

they will sell and market the SYSTEM/METHOD/STRATEGY to
piece together "yourself" -- so not only can they make extra
money selling the system, they're not at risk EXPOSING THEIR
pieced together system for others to duplicate.

You see...

they there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with this approach of
selling and marketing a system that relies on the skills, ability,
and aptitude of the BUYER to make work for himself...

the general consensus is "it's better if they LEARN how to read
the instructions and find their own little niche in this system to
make it work for them".

I've learned HOW to do this. And, it's NOT easy because MOST
online systems rely on the buyer to be creative in figuring out a
unique way to make the system work for them...and it doesn't
help any if your brand new to marketing, sales, and understanding
basic human psychology.

It's like giving people the pieces to put together a system with
GENERIC instructions -- but leaving out the specific creative
points that made it unique to them (i.e. PPC keywords, websites
used for banner ads, targeted websites used for CPA advertising
using MediaTraffic, etc)

again...that's "okay". Because if they DID expose their exact
specifics -- it could put them out of business in a heartbeat...

that's why when you see clickbank or WSO products that sell the
system on how to do something, but the creator REFUSES to let
you see their "actual campaign", website, etc -- it's for good reason

...it's just not smart.

However...

there are business models that ENCOURAGE duplication.

Postcard Marketing/Direct Mail certainly being ONE of them.

See...there is NO fear of saturation or competition with Direct mail
because it's IMPOSSIBLE for any one or group of people to corner
a market and make it impossible for anyone else to make money...

using the EXACT same system/method/campaign.

The playing field is so much larger, that if everyone on this forum
used the SAME system offline we would STILL not come anywhere
CLOSE to saturating the offline market.

Direct Mailers are more willing to "spill their secrets" if you will and
give you everything they got...with "no fear". There were millionaires
who gave me their BLUEPRINT to their success and ASKED me to
share it with others as a condition of giving it away -- because they
are NEVER concerned with competition in direct mail/offlnie marketin.

...and they don't have to be.

Offline - copying EXACT systems/methods/strategies/ is normal...
even encouraged because EVERYONE wins and it practically eliminates
the learning curve

Online - it's "suicide".

and this really blew my mind when I first discovered for myself being a
BIG online marketer -- I still am -- but I don't care for the "figure it out
and put the pieces of MY system together for yourself to make it unique
to you approach"

It's stressful. Tiring. And making money shouldn't be that difficult...

that's when I discovered Direct Mail -- when I decided that I no longer
wanted to make money the "hard way" -- when you make that decision
OTHER options open up to you that you could't see before.

Anyways, this post has gone long enough...

I should also quickly mention that I STILL do online marketing -- just
not as hardly as much as I used too and I do it when I want to spice
things up a bit from the fairly boring routine of direct mail marketing.

succesfull and unseccesfull Imarketers are devided by their results !
Results are determinate by amount of effort wich you put in a very good managed 24 h .

WORK HARD, NETWORK and WORK HARDER than the guy next to you...

You see, LUCK is when preparation meets opportunity. So even if the opportunity was presented to you in a $37 course, you'd know exactly how to turn that $37 into $100k - easy!

It's strictly based on HUSTLE, IM is the only industry I see that we're all on a level playing field. There is no secret, just new ways of seeing things.

you are already have got some success.So don't think about 10K or 1K rather focus on your products that gives a way for you to achieve the same access.Remember one of the members success from a WSO is not a guarantee, that it gives same success to you too. Even a single point from that product or idea gives you a valid succesful point.

It is so hard to achieve for me also. All the misguiding on the web. That's why I joined warrior forum.

I would suggest to keep to the basics....

SET big goals and keep at it.....

Reassess then and reevaluate them and pack some lunch coz... you will have to give it all you've got then...

Internet marketing is a long term business just like any other physical business. Firstly, you will have to move along that learning curve to a point when you are able to break even and see results.

For some luckier ones, they got in at the right time and applied the right strategy so hit it real big real fast. Most people will just go the easy way to learn and do the exact steps from "gurus" and expect to get same big returns. There are a lot to learn in IM (certainly not instant or over night) and you don't have to be the expert at every aspect of IM to be successful.

From my limited IM experience, I find working with other light-minded IMs rather than solely on my own does make a very big difference to my success level. The Warrior Forum is one of several places where you can find resources and ideas.

Since joining WF, my insights into how to work my IM business have certainly broaden from the sharing and learning from other light-minded IMs. I am now more inclined to think out of the box than within and I'm begin to see some good results.

Please do not look at it as something difficult to achieve for yourself. Instead, look at it in a more positive way, perhaps as a challenge to succeed and you can certainly make it. It may take some years to achieve, but, on the average, most IMs started making significant head start only after five years or more of searching and learning. So why not you?

The issue is simple.

The person who is successful with their own system has been completely aware of why everything was done, what didn't work, what did work, why certain things are a certain way and why some things are not done.

It's easy to look at what someone does and think it's easy to copy - you could say the same about a surgeon, but that person spent YEARS getting the manual dexterity and manual skills required to put the information on how to use that skill to use.

You can't just read what people do or use their tools and expect their results.

I could give you my snooker cue and tell you everything about snooker but you'll still suck when you try to play -because most of what makes the great results comes from building skill and experience so that the actions are all coming from a place of experience.

There are also people who just got lucky and couldn't reproduce their results for themself let alone for you.

Then there are the people who have done well but don't really understand why - so they can't do it again, but they know if they don't mess with what they have that it will still work for them.

For some reason people seem to think that IM is just about tools and systems rather than knowledge and experience - but then you look at a subject like PPC and most people stay away from it because when they actually tried what seemed like simple advice - they lost money fast.

If you can't follow simple instructions on how to set up ads and test and track your conversions until you make consistent money - how do you expect to successfully create a business based on information you have no experience of?

The problem here is in people's expectations - it's not reasonable to expect to be able to just copy other people and make massive income right away. Sure some scoundrals will always be there to sell you that if that's what you want to hear - but that's a supply and demand thing like selling drugs, some people will sell whatever you say you want to buy.

As for it being 'obvious' that no-one will tell you what works while it still works - that's just ignorant negative thinking. Many people have happily come here and shared what's working for them while it was still working (I have done this many times).

Andy

I need to learn more to be a successful internet marketer. This is a very challenging venture, really.

The key to success is to get a simple practical plan and take massive action, forget about all the promises of quick riches, most likely it is not going to happen, you will have to work for it. There is lots of ways to make money online but you can't do all if it. Select one or two and go for it.