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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

Can I simply hand a list over to an email service and have them do the mailing?

Only if you can find one willing to do it on that basis, clearly.

The big question is: if you do find one willing to do on that basis, how reliable are their deliverability-rates going to be, given what they may have been sending out on behalf of other clients they accepted on those terms. :confused:

Reputable emailing services will want from you evidence that you're the person to whose mailings the people on the list have opted in (presumably not available at all, in this instance?) and even then may insist on your re-opting them in, before being willing to send out anything else. But of course it's because they insist on doing this with new clients with "existing lists" that their emails, collectively, have a reasonably high success-rate of getting delivered to people's in-boxes.

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djc225 15 years ago

1) So stepping back even further - is all email list buying considered spam? - I'm looking to buy lists of people looking to buy a car...is it still spam if i buy the list and email everyone "here's our free service, check us out if you like what you hear"

2) so if they didn't opt in directly to me its spam?

3) if contacting the lists that I buy is spam - how could i even contact everyone and ask them to re-opt in to me directly. Isn't that action spam by itself?
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myob

15 years ago

Infousa will email the leads you buy from them.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

how can I mass mail the list without being a spammer?

Can I simply hand a list over to an email service and have them do the mailing?

So that they spam the people instead of you doing it yourself?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think that any reputable email marketing service will broadcast your messages to the people who never subscribed to your "whatever you call it" or to their mailing list.

I never recommended to anyone to buy email leads so I won't recommend it to you either. However, if you do it, read once again the previous paragraph and note this keyword: to subscribe. Make your plan around it!

Adrian

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djc225

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

So that they spam the people instead of you doing it yourself?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think that any reputable email marketing service will broadcast your messages to the people who never subscribed to your "whatever you call it" or to their mailing list.

I never recommended to anyone to buy email leads so I won't recommend it to you either. However, if you do it, read once again the previous paragraph and note this keyword: to subscribe. Make your plan around it!

Adrian

Hi Adrian,

If my goal from buying the list is to get them to subscribe to my emails, isnt even that first contact asking them to subscribe also spam? If i buy a list how would i then get someone to subscribe to my emails?

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

Hi Adrian,

If my goal from buying the list is to get them to subscribe to my emails, isnt even that first contact asking them to subscribe also spam? If i buy a list how would i then get someone to subscribe to my emails?

Hehe, that's why I don't recommend anyone to do it. If I receive such opt-in request I will report it as being what it is: spam.

On the other hand, spam laws are different in different countries. Legally speaking I doubt that someone can tell you if that is spam without knowing where you leave, where is the sending server located or where is the recipient located.

However, before analysing the legal aspect, be afraid of the thing from the first paragraph. The button "This is spam" is very close and it doesn't care of laws

Oh... and the ESPs care about these reports because that's why the button exists. They don't bother to check the legal aspects for the tons of spam; there is no point for them to check whether the recipient X has right or not. They only take or don't take action based on the amount of reports and other things.

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Anup Mahajan

15 years ago

I just did a search on infousa scam and got some interesting results. You may want to look at them before you use the service.

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myob

15 years ago

This advise is from those who have no idea what they were doing. I have been using infousa extensively for a number of years. And yes, I am a "bulk emailer" aka spammer. Just as in so many areas here in the forum, advise is given by those who don't know what they are doing and who have no knowledge of the laws, (ie Can Spam Act). Within accepable and well-defined parameters, it is a perfectly legitimate business practice to buy leads for bulk email advertising.

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Anup Mahajan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

This advise is fropm those who have no idea what they were doing. I have been using infousa extensively for a number of years. And yes, I am a "bulk emailer" aka spammer. Just as in so many areas here in the forum, advise is given by those who don't know what they are doing and who have no knowkledge of the laws, (ie Can Spam Act). Within accepable and well-defined parameters, it is a perfectly legitimate business practice to buy leads for bulk email advertising.

Thanks Paul for sharing your experience regarding infousa

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myob

15 years ago

The reason most commercial autoresponders and ISPs refuse to accept third party leads is that very few marketers know the law, or even care about it in regards to bulk email. Ignorance and abuse makes the legal exposure very high for these providers, so to limit these risks they will shut you down with very little tolerance. Almost all of my email is done with self-hosted software inhouse.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

very few marketers know the law

Paul, do YOU know the law? If you answered yes, the next question is which law?

Are you sure that your unrequested email asking me to subscribe is not spam under the law from MY country? Well... Just sayin' ... Friendly

There is no point to debate with me this subject because I don't want to enter into a debate, but think about my questions above

Other thing: someone said that INFOUSA is scam. I don't know but... I honestly don't think that a company listed on NASDAQ is a scam. Just my thoughts

Another thing: I understand from you that Infousa email the leads. If I undersood correctly then you don' buy any leads, it's like buying solo ads in someone else's newsletter. Or maybe they email the leads and ask them to subscribe to your newsletter. Both cases are fine anyway, I don't see any problem

They won't email me and I won't report the email

Adrian

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

Paul, do YOU know the law? If you answered yes, the next question is which law?

Are you sure that your unrequested email asking me to subscribe is not spam under the law from MY country? Well... Just sayin' ... Friendly

There is no point to debate with me this subject because I don't want to enter into a debate, but think about my questions above

Other thing: someone said that INFOUSA is scam. I don't know but... I honestly don't think that a company listed on NASDAQ is a scam. Just my thoughts

Another thing: I understand from you that Infousa email the leads. If I undersood correctly then you don' buy any leads, it's like buying solo ads in someone else's newsletter. Or maybe they email the leads and ask them to subscribe to your newsletter. Both cases are fine anyway, I don't see any problem

They won't email me and I won't report the email

Adrian

Actually, I am very familiar with the law for bulk email in the US. That is the only market that I "spam" using the term of your highly maligned and ill-informed allegation. And I do use infousa as a source of my leads, as well as using their bulk email services for test marketing in dozens of niches at a time. It is quite apparent you neither have any idea what you're talking about, or even with whom you are discussing this with.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

your highly maligned and ill-informed allegation. [...] It is quite apparent you neither have any idea what you're talking about, or even with whom you are discussing this with.

Of course. I'm so sorry for bothering you with my allegations... Will you ever forgive me? I'm an evil person. And ignorant too. It's my fault that some people

reply to my posts without fully understanding them. I disgraced myself and I plan to commit seppuku soon.

Did I know who I was discussing with? Well... When someone asks anything about solo ads, ezines or ezine advertising, no matter what OP asks, there is a VIP guru who comes and gives always the same very detailed & priceless answer: DOE. I thought that it's you and that I know more than enough!

I was so wrong... Next time, before replying I will hire a detective to make some prior investigations and let me know who is the person I am planning to discuss with. If that person is able to understand something, I will reply. If he's a guru who knows everything on anything, I won't waste his time again :rolleyes:

I do apologize in advance if I won't respond again to your next compliments. I'll be busy spreading my evil tips. No matter your reply, you're right. You're da man!

All my best to you and yours,
Adrian

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djc225

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

This advise is from those who have no idea what they were doing. And yes, I am a "bulk emailer" aka spammer. Just as in so many areas here in the forum, advise is given by those who don't know what they are doing and who have no knowkledge of the laws, (ie Can Spam Act). Within accepable and well-defined parameters, it is a perfectly legitimate business practice to buy leads for bulk email advertising.

im aware of the requirements of the can spam act - but i dont think most of the general population is. they simply see an email that they arent expecting and consider it as spam. do you campaigns reflect that? or do you only get a very small percentage of spam complaints?

also do you do the emailing yourself inhouse or do you use an email service?

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webmaster1742

15 years ago

No, you can't! - buying email list is illegal - read aweber or getresponse terms. They will ban you instantly.

Alex
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djc225

15 years ago

Originally Posted by webmaster1742

No, you can't! - buying email list is illegal - read aweber or getresponse terms. They will ban you instantly.

Alex
Clickbank Apex member ( CB top 100 affiliates )

then how can a widely regarded company like info usa sell email lists?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by webmaster1742

buying email list is illegal

Nonsense.

It's what you do with it after buying it that may be illegal, and even that varies from country to country as well as from list-type to list-type. Buying it is certainly not illegal. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by djc225

then how can a widely regarded company like info usa sell email lists?

It depends on the privacy terms under which people have originally joined the lists being sold. But whatever those terms are, reputable email companies may still not be willing to allow their clients to use them as they might wish to.

Originally Posted by myob

Just as in so many areas here in the forum, advise is given by those who don't know what they are doing

And that's putting it mildly. :rolleyes:

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djc225

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Nonsense.

It's what you do with it after buying it that may be illegal, and even that varies from country to country. Buying it is certainly not illegal. :rolleyes:

It depends on the privacy terms under which people have originally joined the lists being sold. But whatever those terms are, reputable email companies may still not be willing to allow their clients to use them as they might wish to.

And that's putting it mildly. :rolleyes:

thanks, so what's a best practice for emailing these lists myself (as opposed to using an email service). even though ill be can spam compliant i still dont want the compaints which could potentially pose issues with my ISP

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briankoz

15 years ago

Spamming by itself isn't illegal, nor is buying bulk e-mail leads. This is a huge misconception that it's illegal to spam -- it's not. CAN Spam basically just says that you can't have deceptive subject lines (even for an opt-in list -- a lot of marketers violate this even with double opt-in), have to have a way to opt-out, have to have an address on the e-mail, have to have proper headers, etc..

You can buy leads and do quite well, but it's not as easy as most people think. It involves a ton of mailings, a ton of awesome offers, and a ton of knowledge of e-mail marketing. Plenty of people make millions off of LEGAL bulk mailing.

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djc225

15 years ago

so if i want to bring my email campaign in house what type of setup (software/servers/other) do I need?

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

so if i want to bring my email campaign in house what type of setup (software/servers/other) do I need?

My first reaction is to tell you not to do yourself in the first place. Go with infosusa. They do have an excellent service for targeted email campaigns. But unless you have a well-tested conversion funnel, you're going to fall flat on your face and join some of the others who say infousa is a scam.

Another option (not recommended without more extensive experience) is what I do with a self-hosted autoresponder from autoresponder plus (AutoResponse Plus). You will need a dedicated server of which they can provide for a reasonable monthly cost.

Still one more which I have found to be perhaps best of all. Buy targeted autoresponder leads which include complete mailing address and phone numbers if possible. Mail them a postacard or call with an incentivized offer to subscribe to your list. (Quite often I even get sales right from the very first mailing or phone call!)

There many other marketing options to perhaps achieve the same or similiar results, but the upshot here is that bulk emailing does have a very steep learning curve.

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dtaylor

15 years ago

When you are first starting out you may wish to consider joining directory of ezines or a similar service. They are a listing of ezines that will mail to their list for you.

This puts you in the position of NOT being the actual mailer but simply a advertiser. If you purchase a solo ad, yours will be the only message they see.

This is definitely not spam and it will help you get your feet wet for a minimal up-front cost. Many ezines will let you mail to a few hundred targeted prospects for under $100. Sometimes you can get good results for under $50.00.

This seems like a bargain as opposed to purchasing software and server space then getting all set up for a hosted email campaign.

Use those lists to build your own lists and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Then you can write a killer WSO on exactly how you did it.
(I get a free review of course).

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djc225

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dtaylor

When you are first starting out you may wish to consider joining directory of ezines or a similar service. They are a listing of ezines that will mail to their list for you.

DTaylor

thanks, never heard of that before. i did a quick google search and since its a new area to me its hard to pick out the good services from the shady ones. Any that you can recommend?

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

thanks, never heard of that before. i did a quick google search and since its a new area to me its hard to pick out the good services from the shady ones. Any that you can recommend?

In this case, this thread may help you a little bit: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...vertising.html

Adrian

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thehypnoguy

15 years ago

If you are using a list of people interested in buying a car and you have a related service it is much less spammy than if you are just shotgun broadcasting a Viagra, Cialis, Pharmacy etc. product to that list. As far as the SPAM rules go you simply need to clearly provide your contact details and the ability to opt out of your list. Though since you hare buying a list they are generally a one time shot and so they would get another email from you anyways. It is always better to build your own list of people who have double opted in as they will be more responsive.

Remember there are lists out there of people who have said they want to receive offers but just remember they are the lowest converting lists you will ever mail to.

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fun8848

15 years ago

you can buy some email service.

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celente 15 years ago

Originally Posted by fun8848

you can buy some email service.

wouldnt do that.

I would do it the old fastion way.

With articles, diretories, ppc and blog comments.

Build your list slowly or leverage off someone else.

That is the best way. Create a nice relationship with them and that is like having an atm sitting on top of your computer. Every time you need money just click send..
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Coby

15 years ago

Originally Posted by djc225

Buy an email list - how to to spam?

This is like asking "how do I pay a woman to have sex with me without hiring a prostitute?"

Sorry for the crude reference, but seriously just invest that money into solo ads instead and build a real list...

Or better yet, create a super awesome product and offer 100% commission on it. This will build a super targeted awesome list of buyers.

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spiders1980

15 years ago

sending email from single ip ,it cause spam and avoid to send many mails in single time

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