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Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe that private ownership of property is one of the best ideas around.

People tend to care about the stuff they own more so than they care about the property of others. Ask any landlord, and you'll probably get confirmation of this.

But, these days, too many people have a renter's mindset, and that's a possible reason they may be struggling.

If you own something, no one can take it away from you (unless it's stolen or the government confiscates it for whatever reason). But, for the most part, if you own something, it's yours for keeps.

Consider, though, what happens when you rent. When you rent, you generally have a lease. You may have a lease term, maybe a year, two years, three years, etc. Then you have to sign a new lease, unless you have an auto-renew clause.

But, in the terms of the lease, there's usually a termination clause. This spells out the conditions under which your lease may be terminated and you might be kicked out of your home or business.

This could be with as little as 30 days notice (or more or less).

So, imagine you find a prime location for your business. It's a great spot. Plenty of traffic coming by. A visible spot. Easy to get to. Plenty of parking. It's perfect!

You rent a spot and merrily go about your business.

Then, one day, perhaps the landlord wants to start his own business or has a son that wants to start one. At any rate, he decides not to renew your lease. Or, maybe he finds a way that allows him to terminate your lease sooner.

At any rate, you're out of luck. Goodbye prime location! Goodbye traffic! Goodbye visibility! Goodbye available parking!

Maybe you'll find another good spot. Maybe even a better spot. In the meantime, you've got the expense of moving and notifying customers where you are now and so on.

That wouldn't have happened if you had owned your spot. You wouldn't have been forced out by a landlord whose son wanted to open a disco bar. You'd be happily going about your business and you'd only have to move if you made the decision to do so, because you wanted a bigger or better spot or whatever.

Of course, owning a building can be expensive. It could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy one. It could cost hundreds a month to maintain.

It's not something everyone can afford.

However, owning your own website is much more economical. You could build it yourself for next to nothing. You can get hosting for less than a cup of coffee a day. Even the more expensive websites out there are cheap compared to owning a bricks and mortar shop.

Yet, people get stuck in that renter mentality. Instead of investing in improvements in their own business, on their own website, they decide to become "renters" on third-party sites.

And then, when those third-parties pull the rugs out from under them, they are shocked and appalled.

It's not unlike a renter getting kicked out of their spot. "I paid them $2,000 a month for 5 years and THIS is how they treat me!?"

Very similar to the reaction you see from people who have had their pages removed on various content sites lately.

Of course, these same people might have no problem removing user-generated content from their own websites or blogs if they felt it hurt them in the search engines or whatnot.

The bottom line is that the only thing you really have control over is the stuff you own. Always make those things the focal point of your marketing efforts. Use third-parties as tools for your promotions and don't let yourself become their tool.

Or, do you think it's better to be a renter in the online world?
#ownership #renting
  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    I have to agree with this but I'm too lazy buy hosting and setup blog on Wordpress so I just use Blogger and slap a $10 domain on it :p
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  • Profile picture of the author No1here
    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

    Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe that private ownership of property is one of the best ideas around.

    People tend to care about the stuff they own more so than they care about the property of others. Ask any landlord, and you'll probably get confirmation of this.

    But, these days, too many people have a renter's mindset, and that's a possible reason they may be struggling.

    If you own something, no one can take it away from you (unless it's stolen or the government confiscates it for whatever reason). But, for the most part, if you own something, it's yours for keeps.

    Consider, though, what happens when you rent. When you rent, you generally have a lease. You may have a lease term, maybe a year, two years, three years, etc. Then you have to sign a new lease, unless you have an auto-renew clause.

    But, in the terms of the lease, there's usually a termination clause. This spells out the conditions under which your lease may be terminated and you might be kicked out of your home or business.

    This could be with as little as 30 days notice (or more or less).

    So, imagine you find a prime location for your business. It's a great spot. Plenty of traffic coming by. A visible spot. Easy to get to. Plenty of parking. It's perfect!

    You rent a spot and merrily go about your business.

    Then, one day, perhaps the landlord wants to start his own business or has a son that wants to start one. At any rate, he decides not to renew your lease. Or, maybe he finds a way that allows him to terminate your lease sooner.

    At any rate, you're out of luck. Goodbye prime location! Goodbye traffic! Goodbye visibility! Goodbye available parking!

    Maybe you'll find another good spot. Maybe even a better spot. In the meantime, you've got the expense of moving and notifying customers where you are now and so on.

    That wouldn't have happened if you had owned your spot. You wouldn't have been forced out by a landlord whose son wanted to open a disco bar. You'd be happily going about your business and you'd only have to move if you made the decision to do so, because you wanted a bigger or better spot or whatever.

    Of course, owning a building can be expensive. It could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy one. It could cost hundreds a month to maintain.

    It's not something everyone can afford.

    However, owning your own website is much more economical. You could build it yourself for next to nothing. You can get hosting for less than a cup of coffee a day. Even the more expensive websites out there are cheap compared to owning a bricks and mortar shop.

    Yet, people get stuck in that renter mentality. Instead of investing in improvements in their own business, on their own website, they decide to become "renters" on third-party sites.

    And then, when those third-parties pull the rugs out from under them, they are shocked and appalled.

    It's not unlike a renter getting kicked out of their spot. "I paid them $2,000 a month for 5 years and THIS is how they treat me!?"

    Very similar to the reaction you see from people who have had their pages removed on various content sites lately.

    Of course, these same people might have no problem removing user-generated content from their own websites or blogs if they felt it hurt them in the search engines or whatnot.

    The bottom line is that the only thing you really have control over is the stuff you own. Always make those things the focal point of your marketing efforts. Use third-parties as tools for your promotions and don't let yourself become their tool.

    Or, do you think it's better to be a renter in the online world?
    I don't disagree with you in principle but I don't think your analogy carries over to the real online world very well.

    Let me just jump to the heart of the matter.

    Let's say you want to start a website that sells everything and anything related to goldfish. So you go out and you purchase the domain name "GoldfishHeaven.com"

    Well wait a second, you didn't actually buy that name. You are merely leasing/renting it untill your next renewal time period. Once again, this means that you don't own anything if you have to keep paying for it.

    For the sake of argument lets say you do buy and "own" the name GoldFishHeaven.com and now you need a place to host it.

    Yes, you can go out and BUY a $3000 server and then either host your site from your own server that is connected to you highspeed internet connection (which you don't own) or you can rent space and get a co-location. Basically renting space in a large room that has hundred to thousands of servers in it that all are serving something up to the Internet.

    So yes, in this case, you've spent a minimum of $3000 for the server and you've rented your domain name GoldFishHeaven.com and you've opted for a colocation rental because it's not only impractical to run a full fledged server from hom over a broadband connection but the website would be slow toboot.

    Ok, you have your GoldFishHeaven.com, You've got your server, you've rented space for your server (colocation) and now you have to either pay your co-location company some money to set the server up for you or you can put on your DIY hat.

    Eventually you get your server, co-location, GoldFishHeaven.com all up and running. You've spent easily $3k-$4 only to discover that everyone thinks your website sucks and on your best day the website sells one jar of fish food for $1.99. Lets also not forget that you're going to get a bill from wherever you rented space from to host your server which is going to likely be well above the average hosting fee most of us pay.

    In the end, the only thing you end up owning is a server on a rental property that no-one can take from you, unless you don't pay your monthly bill and the co-lo puts a mechanics lean on you and keeps your server.

    Had you just rented space from, lets say, GoDaddy.com and paid them the $90 per year for hosting, $11 for Domain name registration and either built your GoldFishHeaven.com website by yourself or paid someone a small fee to build it for you and then you ended up finding that on your best day you're only able to sell a $1.99 jar of fish food. Well, I think you see my point.

    This is the Internet, there is no such thing as yours or mine in the truest sense of the word. It's just zero's and one's and a little bit of electronic equipment you rent some HDD space on.

    I'm not sure if I took my explanation to it's logical conclusion or if I completely missed the point you were trying to make.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by No1here View Post

      I'm not sure if I took my explanation to it's logical conclusion or if I completely missed the point you were trying to make.
      Yeah, you're over-thinking it a wee bit.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Think of paying for hosting and domain renewals as paying "taxes" on your property. This analogy is really not out of line. If you fail to pay your taxes when due, just see how long you can continue "owning" your property.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by No1here View Post

      I'm not sure if I took my explanation to it's logical conclusion or if I completely missed the point you were trying to make.
      He just mean't you're better off making your main sites, the ones you spend a lot of time on, ones you own, not hubpages, Squidoo lenses or blogger whatevers.

      Own what is making you the money.

      I think you were looking just a touch too far out of the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
    Absolutely, you have far less control when you piggyback on established sites for free. While the lack of capital investment initially may seem like a good idea for a starving entrepreneur, you do end up paying in terms of lost revenue, long term. Perhaps, for No1here, we could use the term "control" rather than "ownership." It's a broader term that seems to capture the inherent problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author No1here
      Originally Posted by bnwebm View Post

      Absolutely, you have far less control when you piggyback on established sites for free. While the lack of capital investment initially may seem like a good idea for a starving entrepreneur, you do end up paying in terms of lost revenue, long term. Perhaps, for No1here, we could use the term "control" rather than "ownership." It's a broader term that seems to capture the inherent problem.
      This I absolutely agree with, whether you call it renting or you call it property taxes it is of utmost importance that you develop traffic for a web property that you've got the absolute most control over.

      In other words, it would be insanity to create GoldFishHeaven.blogspot.com if you don't already have GoldFishHeaven.com or almost any other TLD secured.

      In this respect I totally agree that you shouldn't use "free" blogs like blogspot as your main site. It's fine to use it to build a stream of trafic to your actual site but I would never use blogslpot as my primary.

      This also goes for the ".co.cc" "domains" as they aren't domains at all. They are sub-domains and if the owner of the co.cc domain sees that you've developed a large traffic flow to your sub-domain then there is no reason for him not to yank it out from under you and promote his own offers, banners, CPC and CPA.

      Sorry, I guess when I originally posted a reply to OP's post I misunderstood what he was referring to.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    I thought this was going to be about renting web hosting vs owning your own datacenter, or about renting web hosting vs buying your own server and paying for colocation. Looking at it this way, it probably makes more sense for most people here to be renters.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Just look at all of the people who relied solely on "Bum Marketing." A lot of them are seeing their numbers drop across the board since the recent Google updates.

    Sure, there can be occasional issues with owning your own domain. But a well researched, exact match domain and small site that is properly optimized can rank just as well as ezinearticles, hubpages, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
      If you are the type of person who does indeed forget, set your domains to auto-renew. They do send you an email to warn you of the impending automatic renewal.

      Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post


      PS: Lets also remember the domain fee's (forget to renew and your stuffed!!!!)

      Seen this come up on this forum a few times as well...
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

      Your still renting the hosting and still vulnerable...

      Nothing certain in the IM world that we inhabit...

      As for owing the product?

      A 100% behind you!

      -Rich

      PS: Lets also remember the domain fee's (forget to renew and your stuffed!!!!)

      Seen this come up on this forum a few times as well...

      Dan makes a good point, and I agree with it pretty much.

      Richard O hits the nail on the head, though, about uncertainty. I'll
      avoid over-thinking by stating nobody owns anything, including property.
      Right? Dont' pay your taxes on it and see how much you own it.


      I also appreciate someone who calls a spade a spade. Like the gentleman
      above who freely admits to being too lazy to set up hosting, WP, etc. I
      can respect that. lol


      Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayshankar Dangre
    There is always a reason to remove a rented property on internet, hubpages or the likes don't remove others rented property unless there is a reason, not like a landlord.

    If you fall under some category of improper behavior then your owned property on a webhost too can be taken away from you.
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