Whats with this awful trend at clickbank?

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I have not been more disappointed with clickbank till today. I bought the last 3 products which I wanted to review because they said they had nothing to do with seo article marketing etc which sounded like something new. After 6 one time offers or upsells whatever you want to call them I got into the members area and they had everything to do with article marketing and seo. I'm really tired of this crap products anymore and have nothing to recommend to my list as I refunded all 3! Where have all the honest good products gone lately? Even Grav. is way off the highest one right now is 425 a far cry of the 1,000 + a few months ago.

Are there any decent products left anymore?
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Yeah, I have the same problem, I just cannot bring myself to promote anything recent from CB. There's a big launch on right now for a follow-up to a successful product from last year and I just can't get myself past the sales spiel. Just more of the same: earn [insert bizarrely precise dollar figure] per month, push-button software, sucks money from the net directly into your Paypal account etc. etc. I know that's nothing new, though, maybe I am getting jaded... But I won't promote it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by SeanSupplee View Post

    Are there any decent products left anymore?
    ClickBank isn't the be all and end all.

    If you've got a list and know what they want, why not create or commission your own products?


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  • Profile picture of the author allenjohn
    Hi - I'm with you. The problem is that the genuine products, with a more laid back sales approach, have a hard job to shine through because of that 'jaded' effect caused by all the hype {soap box now being smashed up for firewood}. All the best, Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author spectrefax
    The future of internet marketing is going to be all private ventures.

    Far too many affiliate programs have far too few quality restrictions on people posting products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Upshaw
      Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post

      The future of internet marketing is going to be all private ventures.

      Far too many affiliate programs have far too few quality restrictions on people posting products.

      This has always been the future. Because you know exactly what your list needs based on how they opted in and you can react to the market place faster than your competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    My main issue when searching for new ClickBank products, is the fact that 95% of them have free sample opportunities to sign up for on the sales page, plus exit pop-ups all intended to garner the shopper's email address and sidestep the affiliate and his/her commission.

    I completely understand that you have to build a list, but surely not to the detriment of the affiliate who has worked hard to produce the sale in the first place. I test repeatedly, access the sales page via my own link, sign up for whatever freebee they are pushing, then, a couple of days later, click the new "buying" link provided in a sales email received. Every time, without fail, the affiliate code at the foot of the payment page it their own - never mine.

    This is so short sighted of these product vendors. I'm darned if I'm going to work building and optimizing a promotion for their product, only to have the likely sales stolen from under my nose. Don't they realize that all they are doing is driving multiple likely sales streams away? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Anderson
      Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

      My main issue when searching for new ClickBank products, is the fact that 95% of them have free sample opportunities to sign up for on the sales page, plus exit pop-ups all intended to garner the shopper's email address and sidestep the affiliate and his/her commission.

      I completely understand that you have to build a list, but surely not to the detriment of the affiliate who has worked hard to produce the sale in the first place. I test repeatedly, access the sales page via my own link, sign up for whatever freebee they are pushing, then, a couple of days later, click the new "buying" link provided in a sales email received. Every time, without fail, the affiliate code at the foot of the payment page it their own - never mine.

      This is so short sighted of these product vendors. I'm darned if I'm going to work building and optimizing a promotion for their product, only to have the likely sales stolen from under my nose. Don't they realize that all they are doing is driving multiple likely sales streams away? :confused:
      Annie, good to see you are doing your due diligence.

      Most people don't go that far but it's precisely what's needed to be done if you are marketing as an affiliate.

      The good news is that you're also checking the product out before recommending them. I don't feel sorry for anybody who blindly promotes products and endorses them. It's not "wrong"...because, after all, it's just marketing. I'm sure Walmart doesn't test every single product in their isles. (same thing if you are just marketing products). But it's bad when people "recommend" products rather than market them (there is a difference).

      At any rate, just wanted to give you a thumbs up for minding your business and testing stuff out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Jason Anderson View Post

      I'm sure Walmart doesn't test every single product in their isles.
      No, I'm sure.

      On the other hand, they know what most of them are: they're not "closed mysteries" like so many Clickbank products.

      And they test them empirically, according to whether they can sell them, anyway.

      That's easier (i.e. requiring less thought/analysis/research) for Clickbank, of course, because unlike Walmart, they're running virtually no inherent financial risk themselves by "stocking" a product.

      Just saying.

      Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

      I completely understand that you have to build a list, but surely not to the detriment of the affiliate who has worked hard to produce the sale in the first place. I test repeatedly, access the sales page via my own link, sign up for whatever freebee they are pushing, then, a couple of days later, click the new "buying" link provided in a sales email received. Every time, without fail, the affiliate code at the foot of the payment page it their own - never mine.

      This is so short sighted of these product vendors.
      As ever, I'm with you all the way ...

      It is indeed ... but it's like so many other aspects of internet marketing: there's a huge turnover of bottom-feeders comprising enormous numbers of people all "trying it out" (typically for some number of months) before deciding that "it doesn't work" and "it's all a scam really" ... these are all people who never really got going on the learning-curve at all and literally didn't know what they were doing.

      Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

      Don't they realize that all they are doing is driving multiple likely sales streams away?
      I'm afraid many really don't: they really are too short-sighted and small-minded for that.

      We see a kind of analogous thing in "article marketing", too, I think? There'll always be people selling spinning software, and huge numbers of people buying it and trying it, and the overwhelming majority dropping out, often announcing that "article marketing doesn't work", typically without even realising that "article marketing" wasn't actually what they tried! :p

      For Clickbank vendors, it's "opt-ins and link-substitution"; for Clickbank affiliates it's "promoting high gravity products with an opt-in"; for article marketers it's "spinning software and directory backlinks" ... they're all different aspects of the same thing, really. They all arise from the same causes and they all typically have the same long-term outcomes.

      On a brighter note, that does all make it very much easier for others with a bit of professionalism and judgement about them to rise reasonably quickly, in this line of business, to the very highly-paid upper echelons.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        On a brighter note, that does all make it very much easier for others with a bit of professionalism and judgement about them to rise reasonably quickly, in this line of business, to the very highly-paid upper echelons.
        AMEN to that. Makes me sick to think of the time, trouble and money I wasted on all the junk methods that didn't work when the real solution was right in front of my eyes.

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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Well its not so much that Im fine with the blind sales page. But when a sales page says it has nothing to do with this that and the other thing and then you go into the product and it has everything to do with it. Now that bothers me and thats something Clickbank should look into before approving these products.

    And yup I do have my own products to promote etc but I do like to make some money on the side from my list off clickbank. But there is just nothing there anymore its total garbage anymore and its sad when you think about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shazia Mirza
    Not to worry my friend. The new Clickbank Reg's are really going to cut down on these types of products.
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  • Check out tradebit.com, you will find a lot of the same stuff that is on CB for less. Most of them also come with re-sell rights. THOUSANDS of products are on there that you can download and try for yourself. Then turn around rebrand it, build a new site, and VOILA!!
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    And you know those CB products that show incomes of $100,000+ per month? These products don't really show people how they done it exactly. They just ask people to sign up as their affiliate and promote for them that same product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    I was sick of this a year ago, nice to know other people are getting sick and tired of these types of products. That means when I come out with mine and don't use ANY of those cheesy tactics I might be able to cut through the bull**** and actually help people.

    I think the reason all the products suck is because people are all selling the same product, just in different packaging.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      What bothers me more than anything else in this thread is not so much the
      poor quality of the products (quality is sometimes very subjective) but the
      fact that the sales page (if the OP is being truthful) says the product isn't
      one thing and then when you open the product is is the very thing it
      said it wasn't.

      In other words, an outright, provable lie.

      Something like this should be IMMEDIATELY reported to Clickbank, pointing
      out what the sales page said and then showing the actual product and
      what's in it.

      Maybe if more people did this, these outright lies would be taken from the
      marketplace for good.

      Years ago, I reported a software product that was an outright lie and it
      was removed. So yes, if you open your mouth and don't just sit there and
      take this sh*t, things can change.

      But only if you take the first step.

      It's time to stop just bitching about this stuff here and actually do
      something about it.

      Enough is enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Originally Posted by SeanSupplee View Post

    ...Are there any decent products left anymore?
    Yes indeed there are still some gems. But don't base your search criteria on popularity rating, gravity, reviews, or any "earnings" BS. With experience, you will be able to sift through the junk and find some winners for your niches with a quick "sniff" test.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanMurray
    I am moving more and more away from clickbank and blasting more WSO's out to my list and they are doing well, if you have a list of intermediate marketers they just cannot get enough WSO's ever. I am also searching for private affiliate programs and running webinars.

    As far as i am concerned clickbank went down the drain a few months ago, great for beginners or some quick commissions but not for sending to your list

    Just my opinion,

    Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author ShelbyC
    Maybe with the improvement in technology many of the quality product creators aren't seeing the benefit of using Clickbank as they did a few years ago.

    A quick search in the reviews section of this forum should provide you with enough quality recommendations to promote to your list, from reputable marketers.

    Another thing you could try is looking through the offers on RAP Bank or another service that's similar and promote that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vincent1988
      ONE word to describe clickbank: CRAP
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Clickbank isn't the only affiliate manager I have veered away from and will never look back. It gets old having your affiliate links messed with, having vendors steal your customers with underhanded methods -- and on CB, my refund rate was getting close to 75% for products that NEVER got a refund from my own sales efforts - - and all those refunds were within two minutes of purchase. That's some freaking outlandish speed reading going on there, eh?

    You couldn't pay me to go near those places again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      all those refunds were within two minutes of purchase. That's some freaking outlandish speed reading going on there, eh?
      LOL ... exactly so: if you were selling a speed-reading course, maybe the product was just too good for its market ... :p
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      • Profile picture of the author SEOExpert999
        Yes I would agree most of the products on clickbank are junk. There are a few good products as long as you are not looking for website traffic generation. That is where I have learned many lessons the hard way buy paying for it. Just always do your homework on the product and it's makers. If I am not using the product I just don't promote it, especially when it comes to Clickbank Products.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgeJoel
          CB has always had below average products, but it also has many gems. Get out of the IM niche and you'll find that CB is not that bad.

          George

          P.S. Sounds like it's time for you to create and market your own product!
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          • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
            One more issue about CB products I've noticed recently...

            Some products go through dramatic changes without much (or any) notice, so it's a good idea to keep an eye on the things you're promoting.

            And others simply evaporate - the link starts pointing somewhere else... someplace where you won't get a commission.

            Or a freebie product where the vendor makes money off the CB products s/he promotes.

            Which is one reason to do a redirect to your CB link - that way you can swap in another product if needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Astron
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Clickbank isn't the only affiliate manager I have veered away from and will never look back. It gets old having your affiliate links messed with, having vendors steal your customers with underhanded methods -- and on CB, my refund rate was getting close to 75% for products that NEVER got a refund from my own sales efforts - - and all those refunds were within two minutes of purchase. That's some freaking outlandish speed reading going on there, eh?

      You couldn't pay me to go near those places again.
      I`m really interested what do you use instead of CB. Could you offer a REAL alternative for eBOOk affiliates?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Pardon me for being blunt here, but what I believe is going on right now is a circle-jerk of about a dozen or so top sellers on Clickbank w/ giant lists. And I can see Clickbank often times w/ the biggest hand in the circle by giving these snake oil salesmen prime real-estate on the main login page.

    It's a shame, but I'm afraid if it continues like this, that Clickbank will be in the cross-hairs of the FTC soon. Just like the many affiliate programs out there that have gone down recently trying to peddle fake news stories, and fake celebrity endorsements.
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  • Profile picture of the author whairston
    One product vendor sent me an email asking not to cancel the order or I will be looked at by CB as a "serial refunder." I canceled anyway because I was misled by the sales copy. When sellers display earning claims, shouldn't this be audited by a certified public accountant?
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  • Profile picture of the author sameerjoad
    you can try sell WSOs via WSO pro. Or you can try find niche specific products elsewhere like amazon, cj, google affiliate network. There are some good products out there but with so much junk floating around its hard to find even 1 good product out of 100 others. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1lov1
    i think outside of the makemoney/internet vertical on clickbank there are some good products. even stuff with only 20gravity are great products but definitely takes some digging around. unfortunately clickbank only gets associated with the make money products
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Sounds like you're in the MMO niche so really there are a million places to look that aren't on Clickbank. Look through top warriors, see the products they're selling, and see if they have an affiliate section.

    Lots of products aren't on Clickbank anymore because there's no real reason to use them. With custom affiliate programs we (product creators) can receive money immediately and pay out affiliate commissions every day instead of every two weeks.

    Wait, where was I? Oh, right, stop looking on Clickbank for the MMO niche >_>
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