I hate writing articles should I bother with IM?

15 years ago

You can always outsource article writing. There are a lot of reliable services here on the warrior forum, just check out the warriors for hire section. You don't have to be a good writer, just get someone else to do it.

You can focus on other fun things like social media, video marketing, etc. There are a lot more ways to build traffic for free, besides articles. But they certainly work very well. Good luck on you new venture, and if you are a beginner in IM all I can say is stick to it!

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andybeveridge

15 years ago

Check out writeswap.com All quality writers ready to create your content. The fees are all up front so you can work to your own budget.

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KenThompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by m0nk3yb0y

It seems article writing is at the core of almost any strategy I have seen in IM. I just don't have the time or the inclination to write loads of articles on various "hot" niches.

Does this mean I should stay away from IM?

It's really not at the core of almost any strategy. There are plenty of
other ways to market online.

No, you should not 'stay away from it.' Just learn other methods of
marketing and advertising. At some point you have to write something
unless you outsource anything that has to do with writing. But you
specified writing articles, only.

You may need to outsource content creation on your sites depending
on what you want to do.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Actually, while content is a big part of SEO, the "core" is link building - not article writing.

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Jeremy Barker

15 years ago

Article marketing is just one of many, many forms of internet marketing. Should you continue or get into internet marketing because you don't like writing articles? DEFINITELY! You would be foolish not too if that is your only reason.

If you want to use article marketing as a strategy in internet marketing but do not like writing them yourself you can always outsource this job to writers on the internet that are willing to write articles for you for a price. You can go to odesk.com or elance.com (only a couple of the sites out there).

Good luck in IM and I wish you success.

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myob

15 years ago

It's really not necessary to write very many articles at all to compete effectively in even the hottest niches. All I do is write a few articles, and submit them to related high traffic websites and blogs. Also writing for targeted ezine publishers in your niches is extremely powerful. And it's the least expensive marketing method I know of.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

It's really not necessary to write very many articles at all to compete effectively in even the hottest niches. All I do is write a few articles, and submit them to related high traffic websites and blogs. Also writing for targeted ezine publishers in your niches is extremely powerful. And it's the least expensive marketing method I know of.

^^^^ This ... exactly ... is the point.

Successful article marketing is not about the quantity of your articles, and getting directory backlinks from them.

It's mostly about other, better ways of using them to build your business. Certainly, for people who think of article marketing only in terms of article directories, it's undeniably going to be very difficult. But fortunately for many of us here, that isn't what article marketing is all about.

The important words in Paul's post above are "All I do is write a few articles ...". Same here. (I have way fewer niches than Paul, and far lower income too, I know, but I write about 25 articles per month.)

But to answer the OP's question, yes: there are certainly many ways of making a living in internet marketing without writing articles at all.

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trerog

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

The important words in Paul's post above are "All I do is write a few articles ...". Same here. (I have way fewer niches than Paul, and far lower income too, I know, but I write about 25 articles per month.)

But how possible is it for a newbie to accomplish this? Are Clickbank products being promoted with your articles Alexa?

I find it great to know that article marketing is this powerful but its confusing as hell when you don't know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by trerog

But how possible is it for a newbie to accomplish this? Are Clickbank products being promoted with your articles Alexa?

No, they're not. My websites (and therefore my opt-ins) are being promoted with my articles.

I then promote Clickbank products (at least, that's 90% of what I promote) to visitors to my websites and even more so to people who opt in to my lists.

But I'm not directly promoting products in my articles; no, not at all. I'd almost never get them syndicated to any relevant authority sites, that way: nobody wants someone else's sales articles on their site.

Originally Posted by trerog

I find it great to know that article marketing is this powerful but its confusing as hell when you don't know what you're doing.

I hear you.

It can be very powerful.

But not so much the "article directory marketing" model, with which so many people seem to be in difficulties, especially these days.

For myself, I'm writing for syndication (the search function will pull up a lot of threads in which you can read about it). Paul's doing something similar, but his get syndicated more to ezines, and mine more to websites. Neither of us is depending on article directories for traffic and backlinks, though: this is the point, in this context.
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williamrs

15 years ago

No article marketing isn't at the core of almost any strategy.

Although I got started with article marketing and other similar strategies, today I get all of my traffic without writing a single article.

PPC, PPV, media buys, video marketing, social marketing, etc... There are many strategies that don't use articles and the fact that you don't like to write tons of article shouldn't stop you from building a successful online business.

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Keen creations

15 years ago

outsource it with people on this forum! search "article writing"

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15 years ago

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

This thread baffles me.

Why are most of the people replying telling the OP that he can buy articles elsewhere, without needing to write them himself, rather than about all the other ways of earning a living through internet marketing without needing articles in the first place?! :confused:

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vansterdam420

15 years ago

Just because you are against outsourcing content writing, it does not necessarily mean it is a bad strategy. Yes there are many other strategies to use, but article marketing is currently a very popular strategy. People are pointing out that he can still use that strategy despite not wanting to write. Alexa you seem to be quite one sided with your opinions on things.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This thread baffles me.

Why are most of the people replying telling the OP that he can buy articles elsewhere, without needing to write them himself, rather than about all the other ways of earning a living through internet marketing without needing articles in the first place?! :confused:

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Alexa Smith Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by vansterdam420

Just because you are against outsourcing content writing, it does not necessarily mean it is a bad strategy.

Baffling ... you're clearly talking to me, but about something I didn't say at all, and equally clearly not knowing that far from being against outsourcing content-writing, I'm strongly in favour of it: I actually used to make my own living that way!
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DireStraits

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

... despite the OP says he hates writing...It isn't as if you've presented any alternatives yourself, other that hinting they exist.

But to answer your question directly: Because he can. And buying articles elsewhere seems to be better advice for someone that says they HATE writing than telling them to write...But that just me.

You make a reasonable(ish) point ... but in all fairness, the OP didn't exactly definitively state that he didn't enjoy writing completely (or that he was unwilling to do it) - just that he didn't like writing masses of articles. That's how I read it, anyway.

And it seems to be the case that Alexa and Paul read it the same way, hence their responses that it's not about quantity, but quality.

Personally, I'm not that big on writing, myself ... if I weren't making money from it, I probably wouldn't write - period (and yeah, I'll be outsourcing heavily in the future so that I don't have to any more

). Frankly, I'm slow and I'm crap.

But the process of doing some real research, planning, drafting, writing, editing, editing and more editing - all to come up with a single article (or smaller number of them) that really hits the G-spot - is a lot more fulfilling, in my opinion, than sitting down and trying to crank out 20 articles per day, looking for ways in which to "pad them out" with gibberish in order to meet the article directories' minimum word-counts. And then having to backlink the crap out of them to get them to rank on someone else's site.

If that's someone's idea of article marketing, and the reason they despise the idea of it, then it's perhaps not unreasonable to try to explain the alternative just in case they come round to the idea. Especially since it's one of the "less risky" means of getting started in comparison to other traffic generating methods (many of which cost money).

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KenThompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DireStraits

You make a reasonable(ish) point ... but in all fairness, the OP didn't exactly definitively state that he didn't enjoy writing completely

Did you read the thread title?

That seems pretty definitive to me.

But sure, he didn't state that in the OP because he already stated in the
title. I presume that is why he left it out.

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DireStraits

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Did you read the thread title?

That seems pretty definitive to me.

But sure, he didn't state that in the OP because he already stated in the
title. I presume that is why he left it out.

Ken

Errrrm ...

Originally Posted by m0nk3yb0y

I just don't have the time or the inclination to write loads of articles on various "hot" niches.

Alright, I admit "lacking the inclination" might be a bit of a problem - but time? A handful of articles a week isn't that time-consuming .. especially not once you've amassed enough niche-specific knowledge to be able to do them more or less "off the top of your head".

I'd respectfully suggest that if the OP doesn't have the time to write a handful of syndication-worthy articles per week, then he doesn't have the time to do anything else that doesn't involve writing, either. It all takes time or money ... and if he's prepared (and able) to use money and outsource all the work, then he has no reason to rule out article marketing, does he?

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vansterdam420

15 years ago

Don't worry at all about not wanting to write content. I tried writing my own content at the beginning and soon got tired of it. I haven't written an article since. It is much easier to just pay someone else to do it. When I compared the time it took me to write the article, it just wasn't worth it. Time is money. With internet marketing you usually can't do everything yourself. You have to be willing to outsource where it makes sense. Then you can focus on your strengths. Article writing definitely isn't necessary for IM. Really if you're spending much time writing, you might be too busy for the actual marketing.

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bahamut1990

15 years ago

If your not a big fan of article writing these are your best bets:

1-Hire some freelancers

2-Use PLR articles

3-Try other money making methods like surveys

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bahamut1990

15 years ago

If your not a big fan of article writing these are your best bets:

1-Hire some freelancers

2-Use PLR articles

3-Try other money making methods like surveys

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trerog

15 years ago

^^^^Well Alexa, just how much additional work is it getting your article sndicated to websites and other avenues. Possibly its not as simple as writing an articles and contacting an authority website relevant to my niche........is it?

I want to skip article directories in my promotion process just like you guys are doing but its a little intimidating when you're trying to find a niche,build a blog/site, writing quality articles, building list, and on top of it all getting your content syndicated to worthwhile ezines and sites.(makes me tired just thinking about it!)

I'm guessing this is what separates the men (and women..sorry Alexa) from the boys. Following a system of action and consistently tracing those steps every day.

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myob

15 years ago

It's certainly not easy at first. But article marketing, particularly syndication, can be very powerful and effective. As you work on building relationships with targeted outlets, and syndicating your articles, your income will steadily increase substantially. These syndicated outlets are real assets, much like retail chain stores. Each one has their own base of established customers, so these outlets are not merely multiplying your income, but increasing it exponentially. Many of us using this marketing model are earning 5-7 figure monthly incomes and growing. But this is a decision only you can decide if it is really worth all the effort.

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- myob 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  ...He has the knack of summing it up very neatly and getting in 5 minutes before me, while I'm still typing!
  
  "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
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trerog

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

It's certainly not easy at first. But article marketing, particularly syndication, can be very powerful and effective. As you work on building relationships with targeted outlets, and syndicating your articles, your income will steadily increase substantially. These syndicated outlets are real assets, much like retail chain stores. Each one has their own base of established customers, so these outlets are not merely multiplying your income, but increasing it exponentially. Many of us using this marketing model are earning 5-7 figure monthly incomes and growing. But this is a decision only you can decide if it is really worth all the effort.

Myob, where can these syndicated outlets be found? Is it part of the "homework" that I'm required to do as an article marketer? I'm interested to know a little about your start and mistakes you made as a new marketer 10 years ago.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by trerog

Myob, where can these syndicated outlets be found? Is it part of the "homework" that I'm required to do as an article marketer? I'm interested to know a little about your start and mistakes you made as a new marketer 10 years ago.

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DireStraits

15 years ago

Originally Posted by trerog

Myob, where can these syndicated outlets be found? Is it part of the "homework" that I'm required to do as an article marketer? I'm interested to know a little about your start and mistakes you made as a new marketer 10 years ago.

Three ways to find online syndication outlets through the web:

(1) EzineArticles and the other "top" article directories. (Let them find you!)

(2) Google is your friend. (Search for websites/newsletters/ezines that are relevant to your site(s) and submit some samples ... or forward them to your articles portfolio at EzineArticles or elsewhere.)

(3) The Directory of Ezines. (Not free, but highly recommended by many people here.)

If your articles are good enough, there are also offline outlets, too. But baby steps, "innit". This is a start, at least. :p

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

As an article writing machine, I can tell you that there are tons of other ways
to generate traffic. Plus, you don't have to write articles yourself. You can
always outsource the writing as long as your relatively confident, based on
market research of your niche, that doing so will bring you a return on your
investment worth the effort.
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  I do not have the patience to forge through all the detractors here nor would it provide any more real benefit than what has already been said in numerous other threads. For those who are serious about learning more of what Michael, Alexa, and I have been doing, do a search in the forum for "Article Syndication". You will find this topic is heavily documented with the methods used by the most successful and experienced article marketers. Latine loqui coactus sum.
  
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bnwebm

15 years ago

Ok, i'll bite Paul (and Alexa), since this topic has been danced around enough to be intriguing. I certainly understand syndication as a powerful tool to exponentiate your writing efforts however I feel as if i'm missing a vital piece (or several) of information. Can you make suggestions as to where one might find out more?

Originally Posted by myob

It's certainly not easy at first. But article marketing, particularly syndication, can be very powerful and effective. As you work on building relationships with targeted outlets, and syndicating your articles, your income will steadily increase substantially. These syndicated outlets are real assets, much like retail chain stores. Each one has their own base of established customers, so these outlets are not merely multiplying your income, but increasing it exponentially. Many of us using this marketing model are earning 5-7 figure monthly incomes and growing. But this is a decision only you can decide if it is really worth all the effort.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bnwebm

Ok, i'll bite Paul (and Alexa), since this topic has been danced around enough to be intriguing. I certainly understand syndication as a powerful tool to exponentiate your writing efforts however I feel as if i'm missing a vital piece (or several) of information. Can you make suggestions as to where one might find out more?

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bnwebm 15 years ago

And I suppose now for the first time in my life, I can appreciate (and use) the four years I spent studying Latin.

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trerog

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bnwebm

Ok, i'll bite Paul (and Alexa), since this topic has been danced around enough to be intriguing. I certainly understand syndication as a powerful tool to exponentiate your writing efforts however I feel as if i'm missing a vital piece (or several) of information. Can you make suggestions as to where one might find out more?

^Exactly... I learned just enough to further slow my learning curve

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by trerog

^^^^Well Alexa, just how much additional work is it getting your article sndicated to websites and other avenues. Possibly its not as simple as writing an articles and contacting an authority website relevant to my niche........is it?

Well, it can be, if you've managed to write the content that the publisher/webmaster was looking for; but typically, of course, there's a bit more to it than that quick answer implies. (There's always a catch, right?)

Articles written for syndication are more time-consuming than the normal article-directory fodder, for sure. I mentioned the main differences, from my perspective, in this thread.

The benefits can be enormous, though: we're talking about gradually increasing influxes of targeted traffic (targeted by other people, no less) and some high-quality, high-PR, relevant backlinks, too. It's a "long haul approach", compared with some. More a "build a business" model than a "rinse and repeat" model, if you like to put it that way.

Originally Posted by trerog

I want to skip article directories in my promotion process just like you guys are doing

I'm not altogether skipping article directories (and I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that even Paul sometimes submits to EZA), but I'm not using them primarily for their traffic or backlinks.

When someone finds one of my articles by putting one of its keywords into a search engine as their search-terms, of course I want them finding the copy on my own site, not an article directory copy (you lose most of that traffic). But I do submit to EZA (and sometimes to one or two others - no more) for purposes of additional syndication.

The thing to bear in mind is that an article directory is a depository of "available online content" which webmasters (and ezine and newsletter compilers) can use as a source for articles for their sites (and ezines and newsletters). In this sense, it can be used as a "stepping-stone" to get beyond article directories. This is actually why article directories exist.

Many of the people to whom I now syndicate my articles are people I originally "met" when they re-published one of my articles from EZA. And I still find some new ones that way, even now.

If it helps, this post explains very simply the difference between "article marketing" and "article directory marketing".

Originally Posted by myob

These syndicated outlets are real assets, much like retail chain stores. Each one has their own base of established customers, so these outlets are not merely multiplying your income, but increasing it exponentially.

This ... exactly.

(He has the knack of summing it up very neatly and getting in 5 minutes before me, while I'm still typing!).

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DireStraits

15 years ago

I can't help but get the feeling that Thinkexist.com must be experiencing a pretty big surge in traffic just recently.

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15 years ago

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DireStraits

15 years ago

More like archaic!

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Originally Posted by DireStraits

More like archaic!

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celente

15 years ago

yes article marketing is good and we get lots of subscribers doing this. Plus, there are many added benefits if people pass around your info. They have a certain viral quality about them.

But, articles are not the BE ALL and END ALL to marketing. And you should never put your eggs in one basket. We have about 17 different ways to drive traffic, articles are just one way.

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JRCarson 15 years ago

I thought the same way when I first started out, but then spending money on PPC and worrying about it all the time got to me.

I think article writing is a real momentum thing. Once you get started doing it, it can be fun and easy.
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CDawson

Banned 15 years ago

Writing content is a huge part of IM. Almost everything you do will involve creating some sort of content to display, doesn't mean you have to quit. You can outsource your article writting for cheap and just review it before using it. You can also create sites and just focus on backlinking instead of article marketing. Don't give up.

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omk

15 years ago

You don't necessarily have to write articles to do I.M.
Just replace it with something else.

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15 years ago

If you don't like writing, you should try speaking your articles. You can use a software like Dragon Naturally speaking to convert your speech to text. Heck, you can even use the audio file itself as a way to generate traffic. It really doesn't have to just be the written word anymore. People consume information many different ways. You can also create videos and use the videos to generate traffic to your site(s).

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Alex Tran

15 years ago

Internet marketing is not about article writing. It is about marketing a product and/or a service using the Internet as a channel.

If you want to make money online, first pick a product or service that you want to promote, then consider how you can effectively and efficiently promote it.

Writing articles and pointing links to your product page is one of way of promoting the product.

Writing articles as blog posts and attracting readers is another way to do promotion.

Writing an ad and placing it on paid advertising platforms is another way to get traffic to your product page.

Writing an ad and placing it in a magazine, newspaper, newsletter is another way.

Writing an ad and placing it on the radio, TV, or mail is yet another way.

In short, think of marketing in terms of the 4 P's:

1. Product
2. Placement
3. Pricing
4. Promotion

Writing articles is only one way of promotion.

Good luck to you on your venture.

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grumpyb

15 years ago

IMHO article or post writing is one of the foundation stones of IM To get visbilty in search engines you need back links and the best back links are contexual in posts and articles. You need visibilty in search engines to be able to sell (a) physical goods (b) Services (c) ad sense (d) clickbank and many more.
If no one sees your site then there is no business to be made.
However you dont need to write yourself you can outsource although If the only think you have for working capital is your own efforts then it is best that you write yourself. Its not just posts and articles you need web site content and whilst it can all be outsourced it is far better that you can at least write some of it yourself.
After all the owner of any business is often the one person who has the knowledge and understanding needed to write with authority.
You dont need to be good at it but IMO you do need to do it

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myob 15 years ago

I am truly sorry if anyone has construed what I have said to indicate anything other than what is ultimately a personal preference. But despite language that's accurate comment (if I am translating my Latin correctly), I will nevertheless comment further and add that I am not the only one who believes that it is best to avoid garbled and foreign words and phrases if possible. If you refer to The Elements of Style, Strunk himself states that use of foreign languages ...

"is a bad habit. Write in English." His reason for such a rule is exactly my reason; it can (in certain instances), show "no regard for the reader's comfort." - William Strunk Jr. and E.B. White, The Elements of Style
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KenThompson

15 years ago

errrm...

I agree completely, as I said earlier, that he could outsource it. So
have a lot of other people.

So nothing new there.

Kurt made a valid point, and your comment was not surprising given
the nature of it. We all know this.

Ok?

Ken

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DireStraits

15 years ago

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KenThompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DireStraits

Way to be condescending. What are you talking about, exactly, "the nature of my posts"?

The nature of your posts isn't surprising, either - your name always pops up just about in every thread where Kurt posts in retaliation to anything Paul, Alexa or I ever say on the subject of article marketing. So before you start pointing your crooked finger ... :rolleyes:

There was nothing condescending about what I wrote.

You are also incorrect in your observations. Also, I do not owe you an
explanation for anything.

Furthermore, your memory is quite faulty regarding the reference to
me commenting whenever any of you talk about article marketing. I read
months worth of dialogue and never commented. Never.

Go back and take a look. I know you won't, but that is ok.

Young man... if this is going to get personal, then it needs to be taken out
of the open forum. In case you were not aware of that, then now you are.

So if you have a real problem with me, then send me a PM.

Ken

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DireStraits

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

There was nothing condescending about what I wrote.

You are also incorrect in your observations. Also, I do not owe you an
explanation for anything.

Furthermore, your memory is quite faulty regarding the reference to
me commenting whenever any of you talk about article marketing. I read
months worth of dialogue and never commented. Never.

Go back and take a look. I know you won't, but that is ok.

Young man... if this is going to get personal, then it needs to be taken out
of the open forum. In case you were not aware of that, then now you are.

So if you have a real problem with me, then send me a PM.

Ken

I haven't asked for (nor do I want/expect) any explanation, Ken. I see perfectly well without one that your own views must be very well aligned with Kurt's, since just recently your name pops up frequently (to "thank" if not to post) in most of the threads in which he appears in righteous indignation to "challenge" certain other posters' remarks on the subject of SEO and/or article marketing.

You're perfectly entitled to express your views/opinions, of course. We all are and we all do, don't we?

None of that is personal. It only gets slightly personal when people assume a less than pleasant, provocative tone and make unfounded/unwarranted allegations and malicious personal attacks and so on towards other members. And it doesn't much help when others who openly "associate with" or "support" those guilty of that then go on to assume a similarly condescending tone themselves.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Kurt made a valid point, and your comment was not surprising given
the nature of it. We all know this.

Ok?

Ken

And Kurt's point was thankfully taken down, as it included a habitual agenda-laced pattern of peculiarly and pointedly attacking Alexa.

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KenThompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

And Kurt's point was thankfully taken down, as it included a habitual agenda-laced pattern of peculiarly and pointedly attacking Alexa.

Paul,

I cannot comment on what Kurt chooses to say or to whom or about what. I will
skip my personal opinions about the content of his post - non-reference to any
living person.

I have read what he says, of course, and even though I'm sure it appears to be of
an attacking nature, I think he has made valid points. Perhaps could have been
expressed differently or more palatable for whomever...

Ken

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Paul,

I cannot comment on what Kurt chooses to say or to whom or about what. I will
skip my personal opinions about the content of his post - non-reference to any
living person.

I have read what he says, of course, and even though I'm sure it appears to be of
an attacking nature, I think he has made valid points. Perhaps could have been
expressed differently or more palatable for whomever...

Ken

There is no perhaps about it. Kurt needs to stop these obviously personal agenda-laden attacks. His post was stricken from this thread because it appeared to quite a few others he has this problem of misdirecting the comments away from the context of the threads containing posts by Alexa. We all know this.

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KenThompson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

There is no perhaps about it. Kurt needs to stop these obviously personal agenda-laden attacks. His post was stricken from this thread because it appeared to quite a few others he has this problem of misdirecting the comments away from the context of the threads containing posts by Alexa. We all know this.

Paul,

Well, personally, I disagree with your assessment. But that's the great
thing about living where we do.

There is much more I could say, but it's really not important to me. Although
I don't mind talking to you about things. You can always send me a PM. Email
would be even better, or a phone call, if you want me to let it all hang out.

Ken

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Paul,

Well, personally, I disagree with your assessment. But that's the great
thing about living where we do.

There is much more I could say, but it's really not important to me. Although
I don't mind talking to you about things. You can always send me a PM. Email
would be even better, or a phone call, if you want me to let it all hang out.

Ken

Thanks for listening, my friend. I'm going out for a beer. Can I get you anything?

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KenThompson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Thanks for listening, my friend. I'm going out for a beer. Can I get you anything?

I hate beer. Either a Dunkin Donuts coffee or a big pina colada will do. I know,
kind of lame but what the hell. Thanks, anyway.

Lame is cool.

Ken
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More Money Yesterday

15 years ago

Not sure if its been mentioned (I skimmed the thread) but im sure there'll be someone over at Fiverr happy to help!

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The Mysterious Marketer

15 years ago

There are business models where you can earn money without having to write any articles whatsoever...

You just have to consider the various options.

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Rose Anderson

15 years ago

Deanna made a good point. You can always "talk" your articles with software such as Dragon Naturally Speaking.

Or make videos. It worked for Gary Vaynerchuk.

When you need written articles hire someone to write them for you.

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Toby Couchman 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Rose Anderson

Or make videos. It worked for Gary Vaynerchuk.

who's this guy?
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Toby Couchman

15 years ago

Wow it seems I stirred up a bit of a hornets nest!

But hey it made for a great read

Currently I'm focusing on the offline rent a site model as I think it suits the lazy minimal article writing types like myself.

Haven't made a dime on this thing yet but its helping me with my sales mindset and giving me methods of dealing with clients. This in turn helps my other business's - hosting and web dev.

Cheers all.
MB

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Bruce99

15 years ago

... sorry to come in late, but I would just like to comment on the original question.

I think that unless you are a IM with hundreds of sites, you probably dont need to hire that many writers and auto submit to hundreds of sites.

Perhaps just write like any good writer does, when they feel the urge. Write from the heart and research your topics to remain fresh. I actually enjoy it when I make a good article and include a good picture to set it off. Got to like what you do huh?

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Toby Couchman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bruce99

... sorry to come in late, but I would just like to comment on the original question.

I think that unless you are a IM with hundreds of sites, you probably dont need to hire that many writers and auto submit to hundreds of sites.

Perhaps just write like any good writer does, when they feel the urge. Write from the heart and research your topics to remain fresh. I actually enjoy it when I make a good article and include a good picture to set it off. Got to like what you do huh?

What if you only feel like writing once a month or once a year

I doubt that would sell too many info products

@alexa Cheers for the link. I'm trying to determine what makes me happy and monetising it. Now if only I knew what made me happy...

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Alex Frei 15 years ago

Originally Posted by m0nk3yb0y

Now if only I knew what made me happy...

Monkeys, maybe?

Don't worry. I bet not many of the TOP guys write articles. Just do what they do and you should be fine.
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alsmith1

15 years ago

There are lots of other ways to market and sell things on the internet other than article marketing, besides you can always outsource the article marketing if you want or use another method altogether. I don't think you should stay away from it just because you don't like to write articles. I think you would be doing yourself a major disservice if you did.

Allen

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numbermoja

15 years ago

Originally Posted by m0nk3yb0y

It seems article writing is at the core of almost any strategy I have seen in IM. I just don't have the time or the inclination to write loads of articles on various "hot" niches.

Does this mean I should stay away from IM?

How do you guys who hate writing articles find your way in IM?

I know it may seem like lots of work but there are ways of working around writing articles. You can outsource your article writing job to a place where people know your niche very well or you can create an awesome article and have someone spin the article for you of which is cheaper than having someone write an article from scratch.

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EdBryant

15 years ago

I agree with others that writing articles is not at all needed to make money online, I have never made much money myself but I still have an opinion.

I think the reason you hear so much about article marketing is that its something free to do and most IM guru's or trainers don't want to scare off newbies with the idea of gambling hundreds or even thousands of dollars on PPC or outsourcing or everything else.

Article writing is free for the newb and thus lowers the barrier to entry and saves money for WSO and clickbank guru courses! After all the people spreading the article marketing business methods need paid!

Article marketing certainly can work but you are not wrong in thinking it can be a mind numbing grind writing about the latest trends in carpet cleaning or articles for your donkey cancer niche site.

Good Luck OP!

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Lee Belch

15 years ago

certainly not, if you don't like to write articles then outsoruce the work,

Plus you don't have to write articles to do well in IM, There are thouands of other ways
to promote your website/service.

Lee

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Beatrice

15 years ago

Hello!

Although I don't hate writing articles, I quickly found out that I ran out of things to write about, so my next step was to outsource them cheaply, re-write them slightly and maximize the leverage I get out of each article. For example turn the article into a tutorial, a video, etc...

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Drewry_Media

15 years ago

Bottom line is, you need articles, in order to get backlinks from search engines, social networking sites, as well as social bookmarking sites. Articles help increase awareness about what you are doing online.

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TopRankedSEO

15 years ago

Originally Posted by m0nk3yb0y

It seems article writing is at the core of almost any strategy I have seen in IM. I just don't have the time or the inclination to write loads of articles on various "hot" niches.

Does this mean I should stay away from IM?

How do you guys who hate writing articles find your way in IM?

There are alot of people out there that offer top notch article writing services, no need for you to do it yourself

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Chri5123

15 years ago

There are other ways of promoting products and offers - you have video marketing, ppc etc...

There are loads of them - however I believe that you NEED to be able to express yourself in writing that appeals to YOUR niche! (as you can see I have got by with improper grammer too

)

You will need a website and that will (in most cases) have writing on it.

So yes you cannot get away from writing completely unless you outsource everything.

I would look at what you enjoy outside of IM - music? videos? and see how you can put your talents to use onlinr and you will normally have a better chance of finding a niche that fits as well.

Hope this helps and remember:

"NUMQUAM CEDE"

All the best,

Chris

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mrelosa

15 years ago

Article writing is a very effective internet marketing strategy. It helps your target market be aware of your product and understand them. It doesn't only increase web exposure but page ranking, as well.

If you don't have time writing, you can outsource it. You can check oDesk, a freelance outsource portal where you can check numerous online contractors.

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freninchrist

15 years ago

I've heard a lot of internet marketer still makes money with articles they wrote more than few years ago.. So, even if you spend an hour to create an article, i think its still worth it for long-term profit.

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