Online Business... Really

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I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    Create your own product and figure out how to market it and get sales without buying any other "how to" products. You'll learn 100x more on your own "just figuring stuff out" than by paying for products that ultimately give you a limited view of how to do things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Damani Tabor
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      Create your own product and figure out how to market it and get sales without buying any other "how to" products. You'll learn 100x more on your own "just figuring stuff out" than by paying for products that ultimately give you a limited view of how to do things.
      I endorse this fully.

      Listen: Intensity over extensity.

      Find one system that works and then scale it up.
      For example... blog commenting.

      Here is a simple non-spam solution:
      Find high PR blogs.
      Create useful comments linking to related content pages.
      Place your iframe popup on those content pages such that there is a seamless blend, and low friction.
      Then monetize the new optiins.

      And because its not spam, there is not an attrition of your efforts, and there will be consistent gains over time.

      Always look for methods where past work builds while you move on to ploughing a new part of th efiedl.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Richardson
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      Create your own product and figure out how to market it and get sales without buying any other "how to" products. You'll learn 100x more on your own "just figuring stuff out" than by paying for products that ultimately give you a limited view of how to do things.
      This! Create your own product of great VALUE. it will pay off in the end if you put your heart and soul into it, i promise

      Good luck!
      Josh
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Yes there is, I do it in several niches. You do needa modicum of drive, common sense and creativity though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert X
      What's a modicum
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Robert X,

        You see, one person starts and they all join in...:rolleyes:

        What's a modicum
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  • Profile picture of the author J R Salem
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    I feel for you because it is tough.

    I suggest you find something you are good at, and offer it as a service.

    Do you like the write articles? Maybe give some away for free and build your reviews up.

    Do you like to design websites? Post a Warrior for Hire.

    Or perhaps you could learn a method, and then write an ebook teaching others how to implement it.

    There are tons of ideas. Making money online will not be that difficult once you pick a method and stick with it.

    The hardest part is just getting over the hump.
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  • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    Yes, there is. Hundreds of zillions of them. Business is just selling something. Maybe you sell widgets or books or coffee or services or click throughs or eyeballs. What you sell doesn't much matter.

    Here's the plan you're looking for.

    1) Figure out what you want to sell
    2) Figure out who wants to buy what you sell
    3) Figure out how & where to reach those people
    4) Do it. Put your stuff in front of people who want it.
    5) Repeat #4 until you have 100 visitors
    6) Look to see what your conversion is
    7) Tweak your copy
    8) Repeat #4 until you have 100 more visitors
    9) Look to see what your conversion is, tweak copy
    10) etc., etc

    See, sounds to me like you're looking for someone to tell you "how to make money". How to make money is elementary. SELL SOMETHING.

    Instead of buying junk/junk/junk - start selling something. Then only buy products that teach you skill sets you don't have and need AT THAT TIME. When you're going to build a site, buy a product to teach you how to do that. When your conversion sucks, buy a product to learn how to improve conversion.

    Because when it comes to products, you can buy dreams or concrete instructions. But you can't buy the latter (instructions) if you don't even know what you need to learn at the time.

    Hope that helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roger Mayne
      Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

      Yes, there is. Hundreds of zillions of them. Business is just selling something. Maybe you sell widgets or books or coffee or services or click throughs or eyeballs. What you sell doesn't much matter.

      Here's the plan you're looking for.

      1) Figure out what you want to sell
      2) Figure out who wants to buy what you sell
      3) Figure out how & where to reach those people
      4) Do it. Put your stuff in front of people who want it.
      5) Repeat #4 until you have 100 visitors
      6) Look to see what your conversion is
      7) Tweak your copy
      8) Repeat #4 until you have 100 more visitors
      9) Look to see what your conversion is, tweak copy
      10) etc., etc

      See, sounds to me like you're looking for someone to tell you "how to make money". How to make money is elementary. SELL SOMETHING.

      Instead of buying junk/junk/junk - start selling something. Then only buy products that teach you skill sets you don't have and need AT THAT TIME. When you're going to build a site, buy a product to teach you how to do that. When your conversion sucks, buy a product to learn how to improve conversion.

      Because when it comes to products, you can buy dreams or concrete instructions. But you can't buy the latter (instructions) if you don't even know what you need to learn at the time.

      Hope that helps!
      Thanks Linda, that's a really simple explanation. I've been in the same position as the OP, and looking at it from your perspective makes it look real easy!

      I'm actually following some of those plans before reading this, so makes me feel like I'm on the right road.
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      • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
        Originally Posted by Roger Mayne View Post

        Thanks Linda, that's a really simple explanation. I've been in the same position as the OP, and looking at it from your perspective makes it look real easy!
        Thanks, Roger. It's very simple. Not easy, but simple. The hard parts come along when you hit things you don't know hpw to do. But the good part is that when you have a plan, the things you need to know become very clear - every time you run into a hurdle. lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

      ...

      Because when it comes to products, you can buy dreams or concrete instructions. But you can't buy the latter (instructions) if you don't even know what you need to learn at the time.

      ...
      That's a powerful observation. You don't need most of the stuff you buy.

      You will 85% learn what's in there if you take action.

      Also, you wont' be able to implement a lot of the stuff if your business is not yet at that stage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I'm going to go around spamming this message, methinks:

    Two most important words in business: Self Reliance.

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author herine
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      I'm going to go around spamming this message, methinks:

      Two most important words in business: Self Reliance.

      Rob
      Online business is very advanced and interesting as well. I like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Thats what you get when you have a mindset of online business...

    Try ONLINE MARKETING and SALES FUNNEL.

    Thats easier. And cool too. Beside, it's fun to dominate.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi lsmith5745,

      I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
      Yes. It resides in your head.

      (I'm echoing what NateRivers said...)

      simple to learn and run
      Probably not for the former. Creating a successful business often involves a long, cumbersome effort in many areas that at first, don't always seem obvious.

      My own personal experience is that the biggest effort involves what goes on (again) in your own head.

      Successful business offers many, many benefits. Not everyone can be running one, or there would be no workers and everyone would have a one person business.

      The barrier to starting a business online is low. But the barrier to making it successful is a lot higher.

      In my opinion you'd get there a lot more easily and quickly if you changed your mindset from thinking that you can 'buy a business' to one where you realise that you buy things that may aid you on the way, but the creation and sustenance of that successful business is down to you and your sheer determination to stay the course and reap the benefits of it.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author ThinhPhanHuynh
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    Yes, there are a lot of real business where you can make huge fortune. The best invest that I came up so far is Warrior Special Offers categories. Advantageously, this place can support you to create a lot of incomes.

    Thanks,
    Thinh
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    Yeah quit buying junk. Quit buying anything. Find a problem to solve and sell the solution. It's that simple. This is the most honest answer you can get. There's no "push button" or "instant cash" system that will spit money out of your computer. Build a business around a product or service you either create or sell for someone else (affiliate marketing).
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    • Profile picture of the author mrktxprt
      I absolutely agree with this reply. Stop buying stuff man and just take action on your own product. There's enough FREE info out there for you to pull together to get some ideas to create your own product.

      One other thing, try promoting a service. Whatever you're good at doing, package it and sell it as a service. Look at the Warriors for Hire posts to get some ideas of what others are doing.

      Wishing you all the best!
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      • Profile picture of the author lsmith5745
        You guys are missing the point. I am not trying to buy a business, or someone elses ideas. I am trying to learn the business. I have not found any training that is good. For example testing, keyword, traffic, conversion ect. This is what I am buying training junk. I have a niche a product but I cannot get real soild training information AND THERFORE RESULTS. The step by step information to get me from point A to point B. Maybe this has worked for you but you still had to learn how to. That is what I am trying to find, HOW TO.
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        • Profile picture of the author genhorrall
          Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

          You guys are missing the point. I am not trying to buy a business, or someone else's ideas. I am trying to learn the business. I have not found any training that is good. For example testing, keyword, traffic, conversion etc. This is what I am buying training junk. I have a niche a product but I cannot get real solid training information AND THEREFORE RESULTS. The step by step information to get me from point A to point B. Maybe this has worked for you but you still had to learn how to. That is what I am trying to find, HOW TO.

          Okay Linda this is a better. When you are posting it is best to put in all the information, especially when you are new. Everyone needs to know where you are and what you are trying to accomplish.

          You have a niche. You have a product that is great. Do you have a website? Is it a landing page or is it something more? Is it set up with an auto responder to capture prospects emails?

          These would be more helpful. If you would like some advice, I do not mind giving you some help. Let me know.

          I will tell you though that the best way to learn this business is by doing, not reading. There are some great ideas, but sometimes these things can put you in overload and keep you from taking action.

          Don't get discouraged get encouraged, excited, and know that you can do this. It just takes learning and time to get things right.
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  • Profile picture of the author astauffer
    I find that I am someone who always wants to research and study different techniques and read everything I can find. It comes to a certain point, though, that I just have to make myself stop researching and studying and just try things for myself.

    It is a struggle sometimes, but eventually if a person tries different things they will find what they are good at and then can build on that and perfect it.

    As far as a simple easy to run business, I do not know if that really exists. Online marketing, like any other business, takes a lot of time, effort and patience
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  • Profile picture of the author xohaibx
    Build your own product. Create your own product. Make your own product. Launch your own product. And so on. The fastest way to get into a business is to have your own product. Period.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    If you want to make money think in terms of money not "online business".

    You will find that you will make more money, faster if you sell your products in the "real world", in any medium that will take you.

    Look at all the gurus - internet is just a way to get people into the sales funnel.

    However, they make the most money selling coaching, seminars, bootcamps etc.

    Here is the key: the internet is a tool. Don't let it confine you.

    I have found the above strategy to work every time. I used Google Places to promote my Salsa dance classes before GP became such a craze.

    I did the same thing promoting my music video production company.
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    By the way, the above post assumes you actually followed the steps in the material you bought.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    My advice for you, forget about being an online "marketer" for a while and be an online service provider.

    Write articles, design logos, make simple videos, build backlinks, design websites, etc.

    First of all, though, you have to realize Rome wasn't built in a day and it takes time to build up an online business.

    Also, you need to have perseverance, belief in yourself and a strong work ethic. If you don't have these and are not looking to give it everything you have, you will find it hard to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author christina ward
    Ismith5745

    That was my problem to. All I ever seen is people saying you can make money doing this or that if you just pay this amount, but in the long run it was just a bunch of crap, but my boyfriend kept at it for 4 years on the computer day and night starting with selling products for other people online to writing articles, but nothing worked. He did make a little bit of money but not enough, finally this year he had a breakthrough and now he is really making good money, not rich yet but enough to finally pay all the bills. It took a long time learning everything but he finally found his calling, and it didn't take no money to get started, and now I am starting to make money too. I just hope I can make as much as he does. His brothers also are now doing it as well. So you can make money doing it. All you can do is try. What else do you have to loose.

    Thank you
    Christina.
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  • Hi Lsmith5745. Yes. You can earn income online with a simple business model:

    Helping Others By Solving Their Urgent Problems and Satisfying Their Immediate Needs They Can't Solve Nor Satisfy On Their Own

    This means pinpoint different groups of people that will willingly part with their money the moment they see beneficial products and services which can solve their most urgent problems and satisfy their most immediate needs to ultimately improve their lives. Most of them will purchase the solutions with the most reasonable prices, the easiest ordering systems, the most secure payment processing systems, the most convenient product/service/delivery/payment warranties and guarantees, and the most helpful customer support services...

    Organize info about each group of people in different sheets of a spreadsheet document. Write down demographic specifics in the first column of each sheet, i.e. Age brackets, gender, countries of residence and lifestyle preferences. Write down their most urgent problems and most immediate needs in the second column. Write down in the third column specific, not overly general, keywords most likely used by the people in each group to search for relevant, timely, popular and helpful content in the form of info, advice, tips, strategies, techniques, solutions, products and services on Internet search engines. Write down main subject areas or main topics covering those needs and problems in the fourth column...

    Use each of those keywords in the third column, one at a time, in Google. List down in the fifth column the top 10 page results of particular types of websites, specifically online communities, such as Web forums, blog networks, social networks and other online communities...

    Go to each of those online communities and study the discussions there about their needs, problems, the solutions they have used/tested among other specific and relevant info. List down in the sixth column specific keywords relevant to what you learned about their particular relevant needs and problems as well as the solutions they used/tested and the results of their tests among other things, i.e. Benefits lacking from those solutions...

    Go to the Google Keyword Tool to get exact match searches using each of the specific keywords you came up with based on the particular things you learned about their relevant needs and problems. Sift through those exact match searches provided by the tool then list down in the seventh column the exact match keywords most likely used by people Googling for solutions in the form of products (digital or physical products) and services...

    In the eight column: List down the specific main subject areas or main topics/categories covering those exact match keyword searches...

    You now have a spreadsheet document containing:

    •A sheet dedicated to a particular group of people with specific problems and needs about equally specific topics...

    •Each sheet has these column headers ==>>

    DEMOGRAPHIC SPECIFICS \ BROAD NEEDS and PROBLEMS \ BROAD KEYWORDS \ BROAD SUBJECT AREAS \ TOP 10 SOCIAL COMMUNITIES \ SPECIFIC NEEDS and PROBLEMS \ RELEVANT GOOGLE KEYWORD TOOL KEYWORDS \ EXACT MATCH KEYWORD SEARCHES \ SPECIFIC MAIN SUBJECT AREAS

    Now: Develop solutions with benefits lacking from the solutions in the market. Keep in mind the things mentioned earlier in this paragraph:

    "This means pinpoint different groups of people that will willingly part with their money the moment they see beneficial products and services which can solve their most urgent problems and satisfy their most immediate needs to ultimately improve their lives. Most of them will purchase the solutions with the most reasonable prices, the easiest ordering systems, the most secure payment processing systems, the most convenient product/service/delivery/payment warranties and guarantees, and the most helpful customer support services..."

    Then: Develop your website one at a time, targeting first the most profitable group of people according to your analyses of the details in your spreadsheet, your business logo and banner, your site content, a free digital info product offer to entice them to sign up to your mailing list, weekly newsletters for the month and two mailing list updates for the month, sales pages for your product or service offers with an easy ordering system and secure payment processing options...

    At this point: Regularly update site and newsletter/mailing list update content with content offering benefits not found elsewhere nor in previous site content. Register accounts on the top 10 SE ranking online social communities frequented by your target group of people. Complete the details of your profile pages on those online social communities, including images/photos and the URL of your website. Regularly go to those online social communities. Build your reputation as a friendly, niche-expert resource of beneficial info, advice, tips, strategies and techniques in those social communities. Do this by contributing beneficial solutions, tips, strategies, techniques, info and advice yet to be mentioned in relevant discussion threads on the pages of those online social communities. Effective traffic funneling goes like:

    Beneficial Content Contributions on Online Social Communities ==>> Beneficial Site content Not Found Elsewhere ==>> Beneficial Free Digital Info Product Not Found Elsewhere, Downloadable Upon Mailing List Signup ==>> Beneficial Weekly Newsletters and Mailing List Updates Not Found Elsewhere ==>> Beneficial Product and Service Offers with an Easy Ordering System, Secure Payment Processing Options and Convenient Product/Service Guarantees and Warranties Not Found Elsewhere

    Yes, it's simple. No, it ain't easy. Yes, it's hard work. Yes, it takes time. Yes, quoting Jon Morrow's blog post:

    "At some point, I guarantee you'll want to quit. I guarantee people will treat you like you're insane. I guarantee you'll cry yourself to sleep, wondering if you made a horrible mistake... But never stop believing in yourself. The world is full of naysayers, all of them eager to shout you down at the slightest indication you might transcend mediocrity, but the greatest sin you can commit is to yourself become one of them. Our job isn't to join that group, but to silence it, to accomplish things so great and unimaginable that its members are too awed to speak"...
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  • Profile picture of the author DeadRooster
    Stop asking the question, "How can I make money online?" Start asking the question, "What can I provide of value that people would be willing to pay for?"

    If you have nothing, start asking, "What can I create that would provide value to people?"

    How can I relieve their pain?
    How can I save them time?
    How can I save them money?
    How can I help them to make more money?
    What can I teach them?

    You get the idea...
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi lsmith5745,

      You guys are missing the point. I am not trying to buy a business, or someone elses ideas. I am trying to learn the business. I have not found any training that is good. For example testing, keyword, traffic, conversion ect. This is what I am buying training junk. I have a niche a product but I cannot get real soild training information AND THERFORE RESULTS. The step by step information to get me from point A to point B. Maybe this has worked for you but you still had to learn how to. That is what I am trying to find, HOW TO.
      Go back and read your first post. You didn't mention training, you said you were looking for a business.

      We're not missing the point. You're not explaining yourself well enough.

      You starting out by saying -

      I don't expect to get an honest answer
      We all ignored that and tried to help. You've had some excellent responses, yet you've thanked no one.

      I'll spend my time elsewhere helping someone who isn't rude and feeling entitled and knows how to communicate effectively.

      Good day.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

        Here's the plan you're looking for.

        1) Figure out what you want to sell
        2) Figure out who wants to buy what you sell
        3) Figure out how & where to reach those people
        4) Do it. Put your stuff in front of people who want it.
        5) Repeat #4 until you have 100 visitors
        6) Look to see what your conversion is
        7) Tweak your copy
        8) Repeat #4 until you have 100 more visitors
        9) Look to see what your conversion is, tweak copy
        10) etc., etc

        Hope that helps!
        Linda has laid out an elegant, simple plan for you. It won't necessarily be easy, because some of the stuff you need to know will only come via experience with your product and your niche.

        The only change I would make is the order of the first three steps. I would make them 2, 3, 1...
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi lsmith5745,

        Go back and read your first post. You didn't mention training, you said you were looking for a business.

        We're not missing the point. You're not explaining yourself well enough.

        We all ignored that and tried to help. You've had some excellent responses, yet you've thanked no one.

        I'll spend my time elsewhere helping someone who isn't rude and feeling entitled and knows how to communicate effectively.

        Good day.
        Exactly my thoughts.

        OP seems to have a hard time trying to figure out what to do with one beer and one glass and need us to explain the whole concept. Perhaps we should drink the damn beer too.

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  • Profile picture of the author hueyliew
    Get a mentor, a good mentor will help you to accelerate your learning, then you help others to succeed. When you help enough people to succeed, you will also succeed.

    Take for instance, if I am in your list, and you provided me with useful info and helped me solve my problems whether via your indirect communications or direct response, when you treat me appropriately ie not promoting every crap that comes your way, my resistance to purchase your next offer will be reduced. Likewise in your offline day job, you are paid because you are solving the business problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Additionally, we need to think outside the box.

    ..., just my 2 cents!
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    • Profile picture of the author hoobae
      There are many strategies on how to make money online. I got also a tutorial videos if you are interested
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

        I don't expect to get an honest answer.
        Ok, that makes things easy for me.

        No. You can not make money online. No one makes any money online. No one has any online business. It is a complete illusion.

        You will not need a business plan, because there is no business.

        You will not need a marketing plan, because there is no marketing involved.

        No one ever buys anything online. They all go to the local grocery store.

        This internet doesn't even exist. I'm currently imagining something in front of me, and tapping my fingers on the table like I am typing.
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    Don't pay the gurus. Be the guru.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sathia Seelan
      Hi Ismith,
      May I suggest that you spend time right here in this very forum? There are so many threads about Niche Selection, Landing Page and many more related to IM and many experienced warriors have responded in a very detailed manner.

      If you find any post from a particular Warrior that had caught your interest, try sending them a PM asking about your queries.

      So far I have learned a lot from this forum and I am sure you will too.
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  • Profile picture of the author ricoramiro
    To start making money quickly do a search on Google for:

    How To Make Money Online Selling Used Cell Phones

    There are a few free articles on the subject that I wrote. You may find some purchase links because the eBook is still for sale. Just find the free articles.

    Or search my blog. I may have posted the full article months ago.

    Selling used cell phones will get you making money quickly. You can get them for free from your family members and post them on Craigslist or eBay.

    With the money you earn from selling the free phones you'll want to invest it and start buying used phones cheap to resell.
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  • Profile picture of the author HowToMakeAWebsite
    Many people are frustrated because they are depending on everyone else. Make your own product. There is no get rich quick scheme. You can earn quick but it requires research and time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    Sorry, not buying it. If you haven't gotten anywhere for over two years, it's not the products.
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  • Profile picture of the author gilbertm
    Hi Ismith,
    There are a lot of good ideas here in this warrior forum and in these replies.

    I would recommend finding someone you can follow and learn from.

    For example: What exactly do you want to do online?

    There are professionals in just about every field of marketing online.

    Find yourself a mentor.

    Here is what I would do.

    I would build myself a lead capture page.
    Drive traffic to that lead capture page from all kinds of different marketing strategies and build yourself an email list.
    Make sure your marketing funnel is all set up using an email autoresponer to follow up with your leads.

    With this strategy, you can market goods and services, or a business opportunity, or just about anything you want.

    Just build a relationship with your leads.

    This is just one way of doing things online.

    Stay in the warrior forum and learn from the top internet marketers and ask lots of questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author corsleymaxwell
    How about restaurant? ... We eat food everyday. Uhmmm... I think it will not be junk!
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  • Profile picture of the author alanbluecat
    OP - here is my tip.

    Don't buy anything else. You already have enough information from the products you bought and by being a member of the Warrior Forum to create a successful business.

    What I suggest is to block some time out and thoroughly go through all the information you have. Re-evaluate everything in all the info you have bought. Pick up as many free reports and ideas on this forum and evaluate them.

    By the end of this process you will have substantial knowledge of what works and what doesn't. Separate the wheat from the chaff and try to formulate an action plan for yourself with all the good information you have left.

    Personalise your plan to suit your needs, likes, goals, timescale etc then start. Do something every day to move yourself forward and closer to your ultimate goal. Drop activities that are not pushing you forward or are not profitable. You will gradually find something that is working.

    Now do more of the thing that works and less of everything else.

    I know this is vague and general but there are so many different ways to make an income that I can't cover every possibility. Only you know which way appeals best to you.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Well listen...I think your problem is jumping from one product to another too fast,not implementing what you learned.you need to focus on one thing...making money online boils down to two things: Traffic & conversion, master these two and the sky is the limit!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author NestZone
    Possibly you must have tried just enough for 2years . Give your self a real try that can take you much longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Sharp
    Of course there is, you just have to focus one thing. Let's say, if your interest is about dieting, focus on dieting. Create a site or sell products for dieting. You can promote your product through social media, etc. You will not be able to earn millions of money but you will definitely earn bigger.
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    • Profile picture of the author PhilipT
      "Stop asking the question, "How can I make money online?" Start asking the question, "What can I provide of value that people would be willing to pay for?"

      If you have nothing, start asking, "What can I create that would provide value to people?"

      How can I relieve their pain?
      How can I save them time?
      How can I save them money?
      How can I help them to make more money?
      What can I teach them?

      You get the idea... "

      Dead Rooster above is absolutely right.

      Identify what people need
      Identify what people want
      Identify what is stopping them getting what they want
      Have you got the skills and/or the knowledge to meet that need
      Go to it and spend time every day meeting that need

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  • Profile picture of the author upnorth
    Yes it's real and possible.

    Easy? Not always

    But focus on one thing, stop buying junk take action

    I make an extremely good living both Offline & Online. I personally like the mix of Offline/Online because each bring me satisfaction for different reasons. I enjoy meeting Offline contacts, but also enjoy the "passive" revenues from Online.

    Again, both are real possibilities and many Warriors are doing very well (but not the majority IMO).

    On this forum, many times, you will find "golden threads" that are not costing you a penny but can offer you a good starting point.

    Good luck

    Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    I think it's your attitude. Your post is dripping with anger and frustration. I'd be interested in knowing what products you bought that were junk, junk, junk.

    Because if they promised dirty little cash sucking ninja secrets you can put on autopilot with no more effort than a few mouse clicks, you should know better. It might be okay to buy into silly crap like that once, maybe twice, but come on, this is the real world.

    Success in anything takes real effort. Run away fast from anyone telling you different. There are ways to work smarter, but even they take effort.

    The most common mistake people make trying to get up and running is changing horses while the race is on. You've gotten a ton good advice in this thread, far better than a lot of stuff you'd pay for. There is no magic system. You have to put your blinders on and just do it. And you can't go off task for the next shiny lure jiggled in front of you. That's the kiss of death.

    There's an old expression about success. Maybe you've heard it. "You can make excuses or you can make progress but you can't make both."

    Get rid of the victim persona, it's unbecoming and it robs you of your energy. Then take a look deep inside, figure out what you want, what you're willing to pay for it in terms of time and energy, and just get busy, step by step. Everything else is BS. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I think it's your attitude. Your post is dripping with anger and frustration. I'd be interested in knowing what products you bought that were junk, junk, junk.

      Because if they promised dirty little cash sucking ninja secrets you can put on autopilot with no more effort than a few mouse clicks, you should know better. It might be okay to buy into silly crap like that once, maybe twice, but come on, this is the real world.

      Success in anything takes real effort. Run away fast from anyone telling you different. There are ways to work smarter, but even they take effort.

      The most common mistake people make trying to get up and running is changing horses while the race is on. You've gotten a ton good advice in this thread, far better than a lot of stuff you'd pay for. There is no magic system. You have to put your blinders on and just do it. And you can't go off task for the next shiny lure jiggled in front of you. That's the kiss of death.

      There's an old expression about success. Maybe you've heard it. "You can make excuses or you can make progress but you can't make both."

      Get rid of the victim persona, it's unbecoming and it robs you of your energy. Then take a look deep inside, figure out what you want, what you're willing to pay for it in terms of time and energy, and just get busy, step by step. Everything else is BS. Good luck.

      Could not have said it better myself. There is far too much of this 'woe is me' in IM and it tends to pour out on every aspect. I'm not saying have a web based business is a cake walk. Having any business is a challenge no matter where it's based.

      We all have our moments of frustration but if I can take a click bank product, for instance, and write a well informed non-biased review on it which then leads a prospect to buy - anyone can.

      But it's all about learning from what doesn't work and attitude is something that needs work even when you're marketing to what seems like a faceless audience on the net.
      These are potential prospects. Give them solutions to their problems, give detail, smile whilst you write about the product. Define everything and you'll find you will make a sale.

      Now where you go from there is up to you. I would take a deep breath and re-start with your mindset.

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Stop buying crap. Go on the forums, read, work hard, and you'll be successful. Most of these MMO programs and tools are absolutely useless. All of the information that these people have was gained from A) browsing the web, or B) having some experience.

    Success online has a lot to do with timing and hardwork. If you do work hard, you'll eventually be successful. That said, a lot of people just happen to get lucky and find a good keyword or niche before it is saturated.

    Anyway, my point is that you either have to get lucky or work really hard to be successful. Stop crying about not being able to make money and stuff you buying not working for you. Just start making content for your site and build backlinks to it.
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  • Hey there,

    Everything people are saying on here is true. And number one, quit paying others for junk. You can find out most things for yourself by researching. Stay away from people who tell you that it just takes 2 clicks of a mouse and they fill their sales page with 100 testimonials and screen shots of their bank account. I cant even believe people would buy some of the crap that is out there. Here is my advice if you want to know how to make money online. Go to ericstips.com and sign up. This guy is real and teaches you through easy to understand video training. Also check out Paul Counts, Jeff Wellman, Eric Holmlund, Liz Tomey, and Keith Wellman.

    Peace and Love,

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  • Profile picture of the author jamjar919
    Choose one of the many "Junk" methods and then use it. It will work if you do not give up. If you give up, then you will not make anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author giljimenez
    I agree, there is a LOT of junk out there. However, if you get 1 golden nugget out of each product you purchased, then consider it great value.

    What you're asking for is something that probably doesn't exist.

    Truthfully, you can make money by being YOU, being creative, and by giving
    value back. I would suggest starting small, then working your way up.

    If you still are lost, continue to educate yourself then apply what you've learned.

    It's really not that hard once you grasp the concept.

    One major tip for you would be to NOT bash on the guys selling the products you purchased. To make money, you MUST sell something. Whether it be your product,
    services, or YOU.

    You have to exchange something for money. So don't hate on those selling. Instead, find out how they're doing it, provide better value, then sell!

    Hope that helps and good luck! Don't quit!
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  • Profile picture of the author gie grace
    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
    Internet marketing is HUGE. There are definitely several business models you can try. I'm sorry for your experience. But know that, building a business takes time and work. It is virtually impossible for you to have the complete system. You may need to purchase another course, or buy another service.

    What I'm trying to say is, if you've got a course on product creation, then it will teach you how to create your own product. But after you finished, you'll probably get stuck on the marketing aspect. After all, what is the use of the product if you haven't got any buyers?

    That is just one example.

    You may encounter obstacles along the way, but just stick to whatever plan you decided to follow. There are GOOD marketers out there who are not just out for a quick buck.

    Reputable courses provide excellent customer service/support so you can just email with any problems you encounter.

    --

    With all these expensive upsells in every product launches, you'll definitely get skinned buying every course out there which you think you need.

    Do me a favor, and go through the courses you bought again. Pick a plan and stick with it.

    If you're stuck, ask for help (or google it, if you want, there are plenty of information out there), there are plenty of helpful people here in the forum.

    Or if you want, you can LIST here all the courses you've bought, and we can provide suggestions for you
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  • Profile picture of the author goldenweb
    Hi Ismith, I know of a great business you could easily do to make decent money, have you ever sold stuff on ebay?, it's very easy to do if you have the stock to sell, well I know the source where all the big UK mobile phone power sellers get their stock from, this business really is an easy way to make a very decent living for yourself that's if your prepared to parcel many items and visit the post office each day!
    As it sure beats working for the average employer nine till five!

    Plus you can keep expanding the business to make £1000+ per week!
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    for more info on starting your own ebay mobile phone business

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author allencole
    I am sure by now you have received loads of advice on types of business that you can do to make money.
    My two cents to you is business you decide to go ahead with have a passion for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
    I'll throw my two cents in here - stop buying stuff, and start breaking things down in your head and figuring them out.

    If you figure a way to get loads of traffic from Craigslist, then do it. Check that off your list, and find ways to make that traffic make money. You could package it up as a WSO and sell it - but then others will be doing it, and it will lose its effectiveness.

    This is why a lot of the WSOs you will find are great info, but useless as a step-by-step guide. They're overused.
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  • Profile picture of the author WendyYohe
    I know your frustration. I struggled for a LONG time before the lightbulb came on for me. Craig Desorcy was a huge inspiration to me when he said - and I'm paraphrasing - instead of asking how you can make money, ask how you can create value for someone else. He also mentioned finding something that you're passionate about.

    That got me thinking. What do I have of value to offer someone? Where's my passion?
    I love to write - and I'm good at it. I love to teach - and I'm good at it. And I love marketing and know a fair amount on the subject. I'm also really good with the technical skills required for Internet marketing. Those skills may be of value to someone (turns out they are of value to lots of folks). That's when my lightbulb went on - and when I started to make money online.

    Thanks Craig!! =)

    You've been given a few good pieces of advice here, but until you figure out where you can add value, things may not change much for you. Once you figure out where your energies are best spent, you can develop a step by step plan. My guess is, until now, you've tried to implement someone else's plan. Someone else's plan may or may not work for you.

    Make a list of the things you like to do, things you're good at, your work/hobby experiences and your educational background. Soemthing may pop out for you from that exercise. It sure did for me!


    Hope this helps!

    P.S. And if you need help with specific technical skills, PM me. I may be able to help. And it won't cost you a dime! Just one warrior helping another!
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    Hey, definitely a solid product with the right kind of marketing and sales pitch is a valid option to building a home based business.
    Another one that I found which works is building small amazon review niche websites. With traffic you can average about $250-$300 from each website from amazon commissions.

    Hope it helps


    Originally Posted by lsmith5745 View Post

    I have been trying to build a business for over 2 years. buying this and that junk junk jnuk. all these guys want you to pay, you get it... junk. so here is the question of the day and I don't expect to get an honest answer. is there a real business where you can make money, not millions, just basic income money with all the parts working nothing left out. a honest business, direct, simple to learn and run.
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  • Profile picture of the author kerry kimani
    thnk you for your knowledge, hope is so possible
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  • Profile picture of the author KeithC
    You ask this question on an Internet Marketing forum where thousands of dollars worth of products are sold from daily. Quit buying junk, see what is selling right here, make your own product and sell it here. Observe what the successful people are doing and do it yourself.
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