Original vs. Spun Articles? When to use which?

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Alright so I have several articles and I'm going to be submitting them to article directories. Do I use the original that is already indexed on my website, or a manually spun (excellently done 35% unique, spent 45 minutes on it) version of the original? I've heard so many different things from research and would like to know what your opinions are on the subject.

I'm wondering when to use original articles vs when to use spun articles that are of good quality, not unreadible obvious spun junk?

Planning on submitting to ezine, goarticles, and articlesbase. Also to social bookmarking sites such as IMAutomator and Social Monkee (and others if you tell me about them).

Thanks so much,
Michael
#articles #original #spun
  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Always use original content if possible.

    I'm not personally opposed to spinning - but, I believe that for SEO purposes, as well as other, solid quality, readable, informative articles will always outdo spun articles.

    Spinning always adds this "weird" feeling to writing, unless you dump hours into the spinning syntax. Which, at that point, you could just write several other articles.

    There are other solutions than just spinning.

    You can hire outsourced labor to produce quality articles. Buying up solid PLR articles (really well written stuff) and having the labor rewrite ensures readability and uniqueness.

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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelG469
      So use my original that I've already posted on my site? Not the spun version of that original article...then whats the purpose of article spinning? And will I get a dup content slap of anykind for sending that article to all the directories and bookmarking sites?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

        So use my original that I've already posted on my site? Not the spun version of that original article...then whats the purpose of article spinning? And will I get a dup content slap of anykind for sending that article to all the directories and bookmarking sites?
        No, you will not get any penalty for sending the same article to many sites.

        Google will only rank ONE - so I suggest that the one copy you want ranked is the one on your site.

        However, you will still get link juice from all the copies. Google still counts the links, even though it won't list all the articles.

        Duplicate content is a myth. (unless it's on your own site - like 100 copies of the same article on lots of pages. Then you could get penalized.)

        Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
        Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

        ...then whats the purpose of article spinning?
        That is the question that none of the people who sell article spinners want you to ask

        There is no duplicate content penalty - at least in the way you're thinking of it. Google will not punish you for submitting the same article to a bunch of different directories. Some of them may wind up in the supplemental index (or, what you get when you click "similar" in the search results), but that's not a punishment - that's simply Google's way of making sure that the same article doesn't show up a million times in the search results.

        If you want to change up some of your articles, it's actually faster to re-write them by hand than it is to use (and then clean up after) spinners.

        "Then what's the purpose of article spinning?" Many of us have the same exact question
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Ooh, I saw this thread earlier on, and was going to reply at length, but Nicole just posted most of my answer for me, above.

          I'll just mention that backlinks attached to an article in the "supplemental index" don't carry any less weight in SEO terms than they would in the "main index". Whatever the alleged "benefit" of spinning might be, to those who believe it has one, it has no link-juice component at all.

          Though not directly answering the question in the OP, I recommend this excellent, recent article, closely related, from Anne Pottinger's blog.

          Strangely (or maybe not?), if you look at the sales pages of people promoting spinning software, you'd typically get a totally different "understanding" (using the word very loosely!) of the entire subject, including all sorts of references to "duplicate content" (instead of to "syndicated content"), to "penalties", and all sorts of other mythical nonsense. :p

          And in this fine thread, if anyone's interested, a whole succession of successful, experienced article marketers explain all their shared reasons (and that's a lot of reasons!) for always publishing their articles on their own sites first and only then submitting them to article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author redrabbitt67
    Without question, original content is always best and will always attract a more loyal following over the long term. Spun articles always look like spun articles and, at least to me, that detracts from your online branding and reputation.

    Write original articles and then rewrite them yourself, and check for uniqueness with something like DupeFreePro. Yes, it takes time, but after a few, it gets easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author StatCentric
    I use the original articles for ezine and other article sites then I use the spun versions for web 2.0 linkwheels (i.e.: backlinks). Although I have mine manually spun using an online service.
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  • Profile picture of the author banucci
    I have made my own articles but find that using spun articles is still as complecated as you have to keep spinning to make it unique, i would just sit down think about what you want to write about and write that way you wont face any problems of it not being submitted due to duplications.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Article spinning is merely a conspiracy to rob you of your sacred time in this world.

    By channelling your energy into utterly fruitless, pointless tasks, you have no time to do the things that really matter, thereby impeding your own success whilst others who know better are off getting rich, fat and smoking fine cigars.

    Article spinning is one of the few web-based conspiracy theories that I firmly believe in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      others who know better are off getting rich, fat and smoking fine cigars.
      Ooh, and those fine cigars, and the gentlemen who smoke them, are very nice. This argument is absolutely the clincher.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I decided to try spinning again last week, just to see if I could crank out a mere 20 "unique" articles.
        Funnily enough, I decided to try whipping myself with razor wire and rolling on carpet gripper last week, too ... just to--

        ... wait a minute, no I didn't!!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelG469
    So do I use original articles with places like:
    Build My Rank
    Authority Link Network
    Article Ranks
    Free Traffic Service
    Article Marketing Robot

    or do I use my manually spun articles?

    I guess what I'm saying is these aren't "spun articles" that are garbage. They were manually word by word spun ( I went through and hand picked synonyms word by word throughout the whole article). I was surpised by how well they all read, you can't even tell they are not original.
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    • Profile picture of the author sepia
      What is the best article spinner to use to get "original" articles?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelG469
        Originally Posted by sepia View Post

        What is the best article spinner to use to get "original" articles?
        I used "the best spinner".
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  • Profile picture of the author Barron
    I'd have to disagree with everyone. I see no point in using your top quiality original content on a article directory - you're submitting your article for the link not to convert, so you might as well avoid the possibility of a dupe content penalty(which despite what many say IS possible when submitting to article directories on al arge scale).

    My $.02
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Barron View Post

      My $.02
      Sorry, not even worth that. It's misguided and mistaken. You're just misinforming people about factual matters. The incidental conversation all the way through this fine thread will show you, in detail, all the explanations of the expert, successful, professional marketers for what you're saying actually being completely wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
      This thread AGAIN?

      Michael, you spent 45 minutes spinning one article? Do I actually need to point out how ridiculous that is?

      Forget about spinning unless you want to end up among the legions of misinformed/ignorant sheep like Barron.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Russell Barnstein View Post

        This thread AGAIN?
        Always. :rolleyes:

        Because there's a really large group of people online with a direct financial incentive to perpetuate and propagate these "urban myths of internet marketing". Someone far more skeptical than I might even observe that selling shovels in the gold rush (whether they can actually dig, or not) is a much easier and steadier living than being a prospector.

        It's not "going away" any time soon. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Always. :rolleyes:

          Because there's a really large group of people online with a direct financial incentive to perpetuate and propagate these "urban myths of internet marketing". Someone far more skeptical than I might even observe that selling shovels in the gold rush (whether they can actually dig, or not) is a much easier and steadier living than being a prospector.

          It's not "going away" any time soon. :p
          LOL - this you say to the woman who sells automatic gold panners.

          It just amazes me that anyone ever even got the idea of spinning articles in the first place. Frankly, I have never been able to get my head around this concept. I've never even seen a convincing argument for this subject. If there are article spinners, shouldn't there be viewer and buyer spinners to go with them? I'm sorry people - this topic is on this forum about three times a day and it's got not one whit of logic to it. And to think this goes on when religion and politics is prohibited in the OT. Come-on - where do we find the "enough already" button for this one?

          You CAN fool most of the people ALL of the time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            LOL - this you say to the woman who sells automatic gold panners.
            Ooops ... sorry: I had quite forgotten we had a resident mineralogist here, when I chose my example!
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Ooops ... sorry: I had quite forgotten we had a resident mineralogist here, when I chose my example!
              Sorry? Ha. Truth is truth, Alexa.

              I prospect gold because I find it highly enjoyable. I sell gold pans because eating is enjoyable, too.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                I sell gold pans because eating is enjoyable, too.
                Far be it from me to give you healthcare/dietary advice, Sal, but you want to watch that - some heavy metals are safer than others for cooking utensils, you know?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                    I didn't read this entire thread.
                    And who can blame you? You need a strong stomach to read all the way through these threads with the word "spun" in the title. (Mind you, it's a distinct improvement on "spinned" ).

                    Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                    I'm opposed to spinning 100%.
                    Aren't we all ...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
                      Do you know why Google keeps updating their algorithms? It's because people keep trying to play the system. Matt Cutts has said that in the next update, keywords in domain names will have no weight on SEO... why? Because people keep trying to take shortcuts! Google has already made keywords in the meta tags obsolete. I look at spun articles as another way to shortcut the system.

                      There is one thing you can do that Google will NEVER do away with and that is give people great content. Give people what they are looking for and do it with fresh, original content. THAT is Google's main objective; to give people who use their search engine the most accurate, up-to-date information they can find!
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                    • Profile picture of the author myob
                      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                      ..You need a strong stomach to read all the way through these threads with the word "spun" in the title. (Mind you, it's a distinct improvement on "spinned".)
                      Or "spunned":
                      Originally Posted by anuj291 View Post

                      I am surprised you can ask this question even after the Panda update...

                      Never use duplicate content.... Spinning if done properly does take its effect and can help you rank... so i am still in favor of ORIGINAL article getting spunned...
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                • Profile picture of the author Honest Abel
                  For me personally, I feel that any tactic that "games" the system will eventually catch up with you and bite you in the a$$. Of course some people use these sorts of strategies to make a windfall and then constantly change and adapt but that's harder to do than you may realize. I've also seen people's income go down by like 90% almost overnight. If you're thinking long-term, I recommend only using straight-up tactics and use articles that offer something of real value to the readers. This will always make money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Always. :rolleyes:

          Because there's a really large group of people online with a direct financial incentive to perpetuate and propagate these "urban myths of internet marketing". Someone far more skeptical than I might even observe that selling shovels in the gold rush (whether they can actually dig, or not) is a much easier and steadier living than being a prospector.

          It's not "going away" any time soon. :p
          Hmmm....then I might be in the wrong business. Maybe appealing to the lowest common denominator IS the most effective way to get rich. After all, "they" outnumber us thousands (millions?) to one.

          Perhaps I'll use Harold Camping as my mentor? He did pretty damn well selling bull@#$%.
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            • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods".

              - Albert Einstein
              Not sure if this is directed at my "assessment" of Camping's lunacy or Camping's assessment of the end of times...
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by Russell Barnstein View Post

                Not sure if this is directed at my "assessment" of Camping's lunacy or Camping's assessment of the end of times...
                That's the way with the great quotations ... they have just enough ambiguity and ambivalence, and are characteristically open to just enough interpretation to cover a variety of purposes and sentiments.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Originally Posted by Russell Barnstein View Post

                Not sure if this is directed at my "assessment" of Camping's lunacy or Camping's assessment of the end of times...
                It was the man, the legend, the spin.
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Apparently Al Arge is some chap who compares music, or something.

                  See here

                  So Michael, you're quite right, it was irrelevant name dropping for the sake of name dropping.

                  It's one thing looking at the subjective similarity between musical pieces, quite another to comment on article directories and their purpose.

                  Honestly :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by Barron View Post

      you're submitting your article for the link not to convert
      I guess that's the difference... I want my articles to convert AND I want them to be good enough to get picked up and syndicated by other people - which leads to a whole lot more links than just a quick backlink from an article directory :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author hoobae
        If you can write an original article for about 45 minutes and why having s spun article? Original article is 100% approved from article directories such as ezinearticle. Just be the author
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Barron View Post

      My $.02
      So you're saying you'd rather look like an idiot to readers and have to post another vapid piece of trash for EVERY backlink you get instead of posting something brilliant and let the submission site do its work for you when a lot of other people pick up the brilliant piece and use it on their own website so you get many diverse back links from it? Or you'd rather use all your time cleaning up a spun article than backlinking a good one on your own site or backlinking to a good one on a submission site to create a web?

      Good plan. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Russell Barnstein View Post

          ...Perhaps I'll use Harold Camping as my mentor? He did pretty damn well selling bull@#$%.
          "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods".

          - Albert Einstein
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by Barron View Post

      ... which despite what many say IS possible when submitting to article directories on al arge scale).
      I'm gonna be honest here: I don't have a clue who Al Arge is, but it doesn't sound like his method of assessing article directories' worthiness is worth a damn. :confused:
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        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        I'm gonna be honest here: I don't have a clue who Al Arge is, but it doesn't sound like his method of assessing article directories' worthiness is worth a damn. :confused:
        Indeed ... I'm wondering whether he's a typo for "At lArge", because they decided to give him time off for good behavior, or something? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Indeed ... I'm wondering whether he's a typo for "At lArge", because they decided to give him time off for good behavior, or something? :confused:
          LOL.

          Could've been boasting about the size of his "spyntax" in retaliation to our posts about fat cigars and the nice men who smoke them.

          We may never know the truth! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    You're all ignorant! Al Arge, the greatest word spinner of all time? Seriously? The guy is a LEGEND, famous for quipping such beauteous lines like:

    "Hi, my party is probably starting our 1st internet site, exploring as well as exercising that which is wanted. This web site caught up out there without delay. Now i am fired up about it, and appreciate the planning of your site. Can you inform me what “theme” it truly is?"

    and

    "I discovered your blog site on yahoo and check some of your primordial posts. Help keep up the great operate. I just additional increase your RSS feed in order to my Bing News Visitor. Seeking toward reading great more from you down the pavement!"

    Al Arge is also the world's leading authority on duplicate content and backlinking. Surely you've all seen his endless posts here in the WF?

    I salute Al Arge, in whose word I will place my absolute faith.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison75074
    I'm no expert, but I always use my best articles and original content on my own sites. I have found this to be all the more beneficial since the Google changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Any 100% unique, original articles should be used FIRST on your site. After they are indexed on your site, you can submit them to article directories. To build backlinks, I then spin the articles and submit to the backlink services. Some require a "regular" article (which I have spun), and some can take articles in spintax. At that point it's a numbers game and the more backlinks the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelG469
    Thanks for your responses, and sorry for offending some of you for asking the question. You just hear so much conflicting answers that I figured I'd get it straight.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

      Thanks for your responses, and sorry for offending some of you for asking the question. You just hear so much conflicting answers that I figured I'd get it straight.

      Thanks
      Michael,

      Anyone that got offended by the question ought not have replied. You have to ask questions to find the answers. I think you handled yourself very well and it's very nice of you for personally coming on and saying thanks to everyone.

      I also agree you get so many conflicting answers on this how could you not ask the question and if it helps, I've seen plenty of courses peddling nonsense by big names that ought to know better.

      You can't be blamed for asking the question and I can assure you, you offended no-one.

      Good luck Michael, I wish you the very best sir.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

      Thanks for your responses, and sorry for offending some of you for asking the question. You just hear so much conflicting answers that I figured I'd get it straight.

      Thanks
      Not you who is offending, Michael - it's the people who actually made those things and push them on unsuspecting newbies that I take offense to.

      Be careful about what you believe - use your better judgement and always think logically about marketing. You have to reach real people to sell anything - always work for the viewer not for the search engine. You can attract search engines in all sorts of ways - you might only have one shot at a viewer. Just because someone has a name, don't swallow that they have a product that is useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    I concur, but feel confident that with a name like Michael, no luck will be needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      I concur, but feel confident that with a name like Michael, no luck will be needed.
      I agree, but touch dauntlessly that with a moniker as adored as Michael, no serendipity will be kneaded.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I agree, but touch dauntlessly that with a moniker as adored as Michael, no serendipity will be kneaded.
        Your humanitarian lexis are muscularly cherished, Paul, nevertheless satisfy avoid from touching one dauntlessly.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Your humanitarian lexis are muscularly cherished, Paul, nevertheless satisfy avoid from touching one dauntlessly.
          Consent to homogeneous glorification of anatomy gratifies audacious exhiliration butt for the fluke of forbearance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    And so it came to pass on the morrow of the hapless rapture that a decree went out across the forum, thereby christening all such idiots that here shall make their presence known: "Al Arge."

    Agreed?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by dtstrading2 View Post

      In my tests I have noticed absolutely no difference between spun and original articles. As long as they copyscpe theyre fine.
      Dyslexia?
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      • Profile picture of the author Igotcha
        In my opinion the trick with article spinning software is to create a very well spinnable article from the beginning.

        That means that you don't use a spinner to spin an already existing text, but to create a high quality spinnable text as a source which you can use then for different purpose.
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  • Profile picture of the author siwell16
    Original content is the best Google Loves it and Readers love it. But I have created a way to spin articles with 98% uniqueness it is time consuming but you create thousands of articles from one. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author marston007
    Aren't most Article Directories pretty much going no-follow on all embedded links? I know that Ezine Articles got in trouble with Google for having a ton of junk articles with Affiliate Links all in them. It's my experience that using temporary tricks like article spinning in the long run just gets you banned from a lot of things, and maybe even at the worst times, like after you start making money. Article spinning has been abused aggressively over the last few years, and I really don't see any future for it unless the spun article, really ends up making a unique decent quality article that can stand on it's own when a human reads it. Then it doesn't matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marston007 View Post

      Aren't most Article Directories pretty much going no-follow on all embedded links?
      Unfortunately not, it seems.

      Even EZA decided not to go "no-follow", after pausing to consider the situation, post-Panda. (A shame, but nobody's perfect).

      If I owned an article directory, I'd have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's obviously a sensible thing to do; on the other hand, one would probably lose a lot of potential articles from article directory marketers who still think of article directories as a way of "getting link-juice" and might not submit there. It's one of those issues over which, to all intents and purposes, the perception is perhaps more significant than the reality.

      Originally Posted by marston007 View Post

      I know that Ezine Articles got in trouble with Google for having a ton of junk articles with Affiliate Links all in them.
      Not exactly ...

      EZA has never allowed affiliate-links, (not even in the resource-box without their being a redirect from a top-level domain) and doesn't allow any self-serving links at all, anywhere in the text of article.

      Like countless other directories, it seems EZA lost a lot of traffic under the "Panda hammer" in their capacity as a content-farm, not specifically because of affiliate links (of which they had far fewer, pro rata to their size, than most article directories).

      Originally Posted by marston007 View Post

      It's my experience that using temporary tricks like article spinning in the long run just gets you banned from a lot of things
      Yes, indeed. Nobody's going to argue with that. (Apart from people selling spinning software, and their friends, I suppose).
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      • Profile picture of the author marston007
        Thanks for the clarifications about EZA. I have decided that I am ONLY interested in techniques going forward that are POST panda friendly. I'm hearing too many horror stories and they are growing!
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  • Profile picture of the author anuj291
    I am surprised you can ask this question even after the Panda update...

    Never use duplicate content.... Spinning if done properly does take its effect and can help you rank... so i am still in favor of ORIGINAL article getting spunned...
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  • Profile picture of the author bobbydiraag
    Get the original and spin it..then submit..

    I use bestspinner by jonathan leger..no relation..just a great product..
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  • Profile picture of the author omk
    I always use originals unless I don't care about the page or domain having a possibility of getting downgraded in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author veenafurtado
    Spun is junk now because of the new rules by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcromero
    best results for me was original on the blog and spun version in article directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelG469
      This thread was dug up! But anyways...I post my article on my site first, it gets indexed, then I post it on article directories! Buttttt....alot of people are stealing my article and putting it on their site off of the article directories and ranking higher than me...so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

        This thread was dug up!
        It's barely 3 weeks since you started it. Not too much of an excavation.

        Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

        I post my article on my site first, it gets indexed, then I post it on article directories!
        Very wise. Few people who are really making a living from article marketing would do that in any other order.

        Originally Posted by MichaelG469 View Post

        alot of people are stealing my article and putting it on their site off of the article directories and ranking higher than me
        An article directory is a depository of freely available content for people to re-publish. That's why there are articles directories. That's the function they fulfil. That's what they're there for. That's why people use them. Etc. etc. If you don't want people taking your articles, then don't put them in a directory.

        There's no point in putting them there for traffic, you know? When someone puts one of your articles' keywords into a search engine and finds your article in the SERP's, you don't want them finding a directory copy (we all lose most of that traffic); you want them finding the copy on your own site (we don't lose any of that traffic: it has arrived, by definition, when people click. No article directory in-between. No AdSense distractions etc. etc.).

        And there's certainly no point in putting them there for backlinks, either: article directory backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks, and (as the authors of the standard, respected, accredited SEO textbooks were saying even before the Panda update) you'll typically need something between 50,000 and 100,000 of them to confer the link-juice equivalent to one backlink from a relevant authority site.

        People who are still "using article directories for backlinks" are living on another planet (and not usually "making a living" there!).

        So, the purpose of putting your articles in directories is (or should be) for people to syndicate them. There's certainly very little other benefit.

        If, by "stealing", you mean "re-publishing without the resource-box", this is a trivial issue. All you need is 2 pre-written emails, and you fill in the blanks and send them out as/when needed. One says, basically, "Thanks for re-publishing my article <title> from <source>. It appears that, contrary to the terms of service of <source site> you, or your webmaster, omitted to include my resource-box with the article. Here's a copy of it (below). I'd be really grateful if you'd be kind enough to add that on, in clickable link form, within 3 days, please. Thank you in advance etc. etc." The second one is a just a standard DMCA, which you send them (with a copy to their registrar, their host, and Google) 7 days later if your resource-box hasn't been added on. The whole thing takes 2 minutes to do - hardly a problem at all.

        Yes - sometimes people with sites that rank higher than yours will syndicate your work. The backlink you get from them can be worth tens of thousands of "article directory backlinks", and think of all that pre-targeted traffic (which you haven't had to target, yourself) visiting your site and opting in to your list: this is what we're doing article marketing for. As long as you always have all your articles published and indexed on your own site before you ever submit them anywhere else, this will be pretty rare, anyway: it will normally be your site's copy that appears in the SERP's, and the syndicated copy will typically be indexed in Google's "supplemental index", where it belongs, and where the backlink still counts for you, just the same as if it were in the "main index".

        There will come a day, for all article marketers, when you'll find one of your articles re-published without your resource-box. Just bear in mind, when that happens, that the best outcome is to get your resource-box added to it. Getting the illicit material removed (though trivially easily done) is only the second-best outcome.

        These details are not "problems" and they need occupy almost none of your working life.
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        • Profile picture of the author marston007
          It looks to me like most people agree that spinning is out, and not worth even trying-period. Google is 100% against spinning, so..... I think 2011 marks the end of this technique. You would have to put soo much effort into an article to get it unique enough that you might as well just write something totally new anyway.

          If I was going to try to exploit a loop hole in Google it would have to be something that would bring about huge rewards with little effort and even if I got slapped I would have made enough money it wouldn't matter. Spinning articles and submitting them to various directories is old stuff, very labor intensive with no quick reward at all. It's like stealing a dollar bill every day....I'm going get busted long before it add up to become worth it!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew NY
    Spinning was good a year or two ago, when the purpose for it was just to list your website high and get your rank up. Unfortunately for the people that used automatic spinning methods, Google has caught on, resulting in it being pretty obsolete. In addition, any automatically spun articles or blog posts that I have come upon just look totally ridiculous. I have no idea who would even bother reading them and continue onto any encompassed in that page.

    You can totally use the same idea for an article and rewrite that idea. Just read what you wrote, and sumarize it again. It will most likely be extremely unique, because its pretty impossible to write the same thing twice out of memory (unless you are some sort of photographic memory type people). I found that it worked for me. Using a speech tool as well increases the chances of keeping the article unique, so maybe give that a go.

    Quality content is king if you can swing it. Some people aren't as fluid with writing, and have to resort to other methods, which is unfortunate. I still give them credit though.

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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    If you "spin" it well, you are still actually writing every single word of the article (or at least "approving" every single word). That said, it's a little more difficult to make sure spun text is 100% on target all the time. So I would say if it's a place with a good reputation, give them your original so that you know you've proofread it completely.
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